The Road Traffic (Vehicle Emissions) (Fixed Penalty) (England) Regulations 2002 Stopping of engine when vehicle stationary 12.-(1) An authorised person who has reasonable cause to believe that the driver of a vehicle that is stationary on a road is committing a stationary idling offence may, upon production of evidence of his authorisation, require him to stop the running of the engine of that vehicle. (2) A person who fails to comply with a requirement under paragraph (1) shall be guilty of an offence and be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.
Thanks for that. There is a "Supposed" copper on here that debated with me (see replies). He suggested that the police are exempt, which is total nonsense. Going through red lights with sirens on is allowed. That's an acceptable exemption, but not sitting idling. That's why some police are untrustworthy.
An "authorised person...upon production of evidence of his authorisation...require him to stop the running of the engine" So some guy off the street isn't authorised to tell them to switch off. On another note, 3709 is a bit of alright. She should cheer up and stick up for her pal though. Just wandering off daydreaming isn't good teamwork. Cheer up woman and give us a smile.
No it wasn't his ego, it was probably the carbon monoxide poisoning by his response when he open the window. This Man deserves a medal for saving their lives. Quickly restored himself to his training, just lie and give them bullshit, hoping this man doesn't know the Road Traffics Acts, they know their superiors couldn't give a flying flamingo what the people who pay their wages think, know or even say about the laws they're supposed to enforce?
Attitude stinks as per usual from these out of control clowns. Your right to point this out. He's dismissive of you and has an attitude. Keep going sir. More people like you would turn the tide in the publics favour.
This is quite funny!! 😂😂 Correct me if I am wrong, did the officer just said that he has been on the Police Force for 20 years and didnt know that is illegal to let a vehicle idle on a public road? Simply brilliant 😂😂😂 Welll pointed out AB 👏👏👏
Well yeah, that's why its in the highway code that you can't have the engine running while idle, but AB for some reason didn't know that. Guess he should do his research before confronting people.
@@carlmorris3631 our borough has a similar law...To ensure continued air quality and reduce greenhouse gas emissions, idling a motor vehicle is prohibited in all 19 boroughs
if hes been in the job 20yrs can you imagine how much fuel its cost us keeping him warm ,heres an idea put on a jumper ,you know the one we bought you .
You should tell them that having the engine idling is "suspicious in the current climate" and that you will perform a citizen's arrest for eco-terrorism 🙂
@@JazzFunkNobby1964 driving the car will use higher revs... The whole point is to lubricate the whole engine with oil before higher driving revs... I should have explained better
dont the police pay tax out the wage they get? so not only do they pay there own wage but pay to have people moan on about it... every second counts to get to an emergency
This man who's acting like a child, and letting his fragile ego rule his emotions, has the right of arrest, can forcefully detain you (and put you in handcuffs) then the use a taser on you. He should be removed from our streets and sacked, or performance managed (then probably sacked). When did we allow the bar for entry to be set so low?
Police are not exempt from any law and are not allowed to leave the engine running unnecessarily. He was to arrogant to accept him was braking the law and should be reported, video evidence can be used. As regards the comment from someone, a member of the public doesn’t have the power to tell him to switch off, yes he does they are servants of the public and if they don’t comply can be reported. Also I would not have been happy him calling me buddy, he should have addressed him as sir.
@@alexr8996 Did you know that 'authorised person' includes "ANY OTHER PERSON" authorised by the local authority (e.g. city council). So the council could theoretically authorise anyone, even AB.
.....it would have been a very simple procedure to stop the idling engine whilst ".....waiting to be deployed" and turn the ignition key to restart it when required.....I mean, how many nanoseconds would have been lost switching the engine back on. He knew you were right but didn't want to lose face, that's all!! My advice to the driver.....SWITCH YOUR ENGINE OFF WHILST SAT THERE, FOR EVERYONE'S SAKE!
Because the recruitment, selection and training process appears to encourage and enhance the sociopathy inherent in a large percentage of serving officers. The culture within from other established sociopaths does the rest.
How dare you sir! Those milliseconds it takes to turn the ignition key could be the difference between this dutiful officer and his vigilant sidekick making a heroic lifesaving arrest or letting a dastardly arch-criminal escape, and nothing to do with being real cold in his armless shirt in midwinter.
Okay, so he's not on duty in the vehicle, and he is waiting to get a call, then, why, like you enquired, has he got his engine running, when it takes less than 5 seconds to restart the car and secondly, if they are not on duty, what are they doing parked on a public walk way? Always keep them on their toes, no matter how much they want to ignore the law or members of the public, who seem to be a lot more clued up.
Well done AB - I have just been told by police I have been harassing coach drivers outside my flat for exposing these offences - I used to put videos on you tube but removed because police upset me and I have complained to police that i feel my liberty has been taken away as was told by police that I can only video from my window and not in public or I would be arrested for harassment and don't want to get record - but well done - I feel anyone who outs idling engines, quitting etc is brilliant - Thanks
If I wasted my boss,s budget I would be for the high jump but they can waste our tax money and they don't give a dam.. why couldn't this arrogant person just turn off the car? It's like he's proving a point to the public!!!
Typical cop he never turned it off cause the clown is just another one abusing the power in basically saying I'm a cop I can do what I like.. hes just another twat
An idling engine can produce up to twice the emissions of a car that’s in motion. These include chemicals such as sulphur dioxide, particulate matter and nitrogen oxide to name a few. All of these contribute to asthma, heart disease and even lung cancer, according to Transport for London. These chemicals also have a negative effect on the environment by contributing to poor air quality. With this in mind, the government introduced laws to discourage drivers from idling. Now, leaving your engine on while parked on the road or in a public place could land you with fine of £20. This can go up as far as £80 in certain areas of London where extra measures to cut road emissions are being undertaken.
That's it AB bravo! someone has to confront these police officers because they seem to think they are privileged and untouchable and they have got away with it for far too long now and that's why we need channels like Auditing Britain in order to encourage, educate and stand up to these officers who abuse their powers
I reckon now is the time to consider going after Officers so called, qualified immunity. "Qualified immunity is designed to protect all but the plainly incompetent or those who knowingly violate the law. Law enforcement officers are entitled to qualified immunity when their actions do not violate a clearly established statutory or constitutional right. ... Qualified immunity must be raised by the officer." Their time is not long done for... and they know this.
Problem is , and I heard this from a serving police man, that whatever complaints fines and bans these corruptibles receive does not effect their civilian license in the slightest! Imagine that they are literally untouchable
Yes AB you are right - Rule 123 of the Highway code - "You must not leave a vehicle engine running unnecessarily while that vehicle is stationary on a public road."
@evergreenpenguin public road” means any road, street or thoroughfare or any other place (whether a thoroughfare or not) which is commonly used by the public or any section thereof or to which the public or any section thereof has a right of access, and includes- (a)the verge of any such road, street or thoroughfare; (b)any bridge, ferry or drift traversed by any such road, street or thoroughfare; and (c)any other work or object forming part of or connected with or belonging to such road, street or thoroughfare;” “operate on a public road” or any like expression, in relation to a vehicle, means to use or drive a vehicle or to permit a vehicle to be used or driven on a public road, or to have or to permit a vehicle to be on a public road;” The definition of a public road is not linked to the “ownership” or maintenance of a road, parking area, etc. but to the common use or right of use by the public of a road.
Section 42. Section 42 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 prohibits leaving your engine on when it is not needed. This act enforces Rule 123 of the Highway Code, which states “you must not leave a vehicle's engine running unnecessarily while that vehicle is stationary on a public road”.
All our officers of the law do an excellent job with little thanks from their chief constables and with out a pay rise our danger money these boys and girls deserve the central government wages now and for ever 2022-2023
I did found out years ago about questions asked here about police vehicles. Source a Deputy cCmmander and head of CID told me this. 1) if the vehicle is on ops and Control has told them to stop there and wait then they are legal. Engine running or not makes no difference... they have been told location and wait. Control takes liabilty not the driver. 2) same for yellow / red parking lines and red traffic light, speed cameras, Control needs to give permission. 3) Police vehicles do not need to use blue lights while on ops, they have a get out clause, reason given in law they don't want to know criminals they are there waiting or following. Only Police Control needs to know and its then legal in law. 4) speed cameras and speeding, control has to give pre permission for them to speed otherwise they get 3 points and a fine. This goes for Fire and the NHS. Blue on or off, ie a on a shout. 5) if they go throu a red traffic light and a accident occurs regardless how, the blue light vehicle takes full blame.
This makes perfect sense and is correct. This is also why control has to authorise a pursuit. Permission from control grants the legal authority to take certain actions.
CTSFO police have more get out clauses in law as they operate under the TAct where the prority is safe guarding situations and not general day to day policing. CTSFO can drive upto 140mph on motorways, and basically drive like they want too ie down path, cycleways, fields, ie not to worry about legal rights of property damage etc , ie why they have BMW X5 or X6 4x4 SUVs; in 2022 the new car contract is with Ford to supply the new Ford 4x4 SUV. Hence why CTSFO have a red star's displayed on the vehicle to tell other police to stay away when they are blue light active. CTSFO basically is a military unit rather that police. Also note Police Forces in 2021 have started renaming investigating depts or teams too units. Ie Police traffic units. Unit is a military word.
stationary idling, Section 42 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 prohibits leaving your engine on when it is not needed. This act enforces Rule 123 of the Highway Code, which states “you must not leave a vehicle’s engine running unnecessarily while that vehicle is stationary on a public road”.
It's demenor reveals that there isn't one skerrick of humbleness in the defective consciousness of this pretentious (humilis) mind. Rather than do the right thing, intervene and suggest to the driver that you were indeed correct, and for the good of all taxpayers, the environment and any living beings in the vacinity of Westgate Oxford, the (almost silent nonchalant) female PC sitting idly in the passenger seat, while the engine of the BMW continues to idle has choosen to remain silent. For your tireless effort a salute to you Sir Auditing Britain.
I love the way police have an instant dislike to you, it gives me a laugh keep it up. But tbf there are a lot of people about and should turn the engine off unless attending an ongoing incident.
People often ask the question: “Who polices the police?” Well we now know. He’s a bloke who goes by the monicker “AB”. I, and no doubt many officers, have learnt a fair bit about the nougats of the law watching these vids. Keep up the good work!
Whilst I agree that there was no reason for him to be sat there with engine running, it is an exemption for an emergency service vehicle to leave the engine running when parked....
They are supposed to give you their name , collar number and what station they are from when asked by a member of the public. They are PUBLIC SERVANTS. They work for US !!
Record Your Government they only have to show you collar numbers to and even then some can hide their numbers if displaying them when dealing with a person that might put them at risk. If they weren’t such pricks they shouldn’t be at risk 🐷🐷 😉😉🤣🤣
They may need to keep it on to power the additional equipment that may otherwise drain the battery, if the engine wasn't running. These cars are significantly modified to a spec that is over and above that of a 'normal' car and contain a lot of additional IT that stays switched on.
People are quoting wrong legislation ("123 road traffic act"...wtf) or legislation that is actually about giving local authorities powers to issue penalties. That ACTUAL relevant legislation that makes it an offence to idle while stationery is from 1986 and relates to NOISE pollution not emissions: The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986: 98.-(1) Save as provided in paragraph (2), the driver of a vehicle shall, when the vehicle is stationary, stop the action of any machinery attached to or forming part of the vehicle so far as may be necessary for the prevention of noise. (2) The provisions of paragraph (1) do not apply- (a)when the vehicle is stationary owing to the necessities of traffic; (b)so as to prevent the examination or working of the machinery where the examination is necessitated by any failure or derangement of the machinery or where the machinery is required to be worked for a purpose other than driving the vehicle; or (c)in respect of a vehicle propelled by gas produced in plant carried on the vehicle, to such plant. The police guy would have to argue (b), that he needed to keep the engine running in order to power some vital equipment. However, that wasn't the reason he gave: he said he was waiting for deployment orders. Which is not covered by the exemptions. And of course it only takes a couple of seconds to turn on an engine, so anyone with a brain cell could see that's a total bollox reason anyway!! Clearly thinks he's above the law. (well he doesn't even know the law despite 20years in the job, but ignorance is no defence!)
So if they have to wait 30 minutes, an hour or longer - the officer will keep the engine running? What an idiot. Please do a follow up. And well done for your effort.
They need to be ready to instantly respnd to reports of people lawfully filming with cameras, which also ensures they are too busy to respond to reports of thefts etc.
A new AH for the public to view. They don't care about the public, or pollution in public place. See his face turn aggressive when you question him. Full of his own importance, these people feel some sort of higher beings. Bless these fools.
I had a police car sat behind me with the engine running and no one in it at a petrol station. When the officer came back I asked why his engine was running and he said that it's a feature they have where the cars engine can run whilst the keys are out and can lock the car. He didn't mention the offence of having the engine running whilst at idle
Their attutude is fook the LAW, fook the cost (to us) and fook the pollution. Nice 18 plate X5 too. Always great to see our taxes going to good causes.
If you did your research you would realise that our countries armed response units need the most up to date and speedy cars that are out there. If you are faced with a terrorist or firearms situation you won’t want an armed police officer responding in a 08 plate vauxall zarfia would you? Our taxes towards the police force keep us safe, if you don’t want safety then that’s your problem. Honestly the people like you are unbelievable.
I just wanted to remind you that you guys work for us. I do not get that from your reponse. From your response I assume you wear the thin blue line gang sign too (a defaced Union Jack which is an offense). BMWs are too expensive to be publicly funded. Do you not get that? If not, you should do some research of your own.... You guys are SO ENTITLED. Sitting in city centres with your engine running is against the law (as is parking on double yellows and in disabled bays) and who do we all see doing it???? You can guess as it is not us the people. Also I wish police would spend more time learning the actual law and not commenting on RU-vid vids. It is obvious from the Auditing community that most do not have an idea of the law. By the way I think you are unbelievable (to use your words) and you work for (and are funded by) us, as Police. I do not for you.
Super Charged I highly doubt he had a spare key. And when I say highly doubt I mean I am certain. Police vehicles, as well as ambulances and the like, have a feature called “run lock,” which keeps the engine ticking over at a slower speed to keep things turned on. FYI, I am not denying the fact it would still burn fuel. I just think you’ve made a huge assumption.
@@rjr8876 he show me the spare key , so I think it's you who as made a huge assumption. Very small police station . He locked the car on my drive . Seems we have more dodgy 🐖 than I thought
@@rjr8876 oh road traffic cops vehicles have 2 batteries ya twat . This was like a fiesta from a 3 or 4 manned country pigz station like 10 years or so ago , so you can go and fuck off with your assumptions ! I wonder why pigz think you always lie
Super Charged If a vehicle is on the run lock function, they can take the key out. That’s the whole point. Notice how I’m being polite and not abusive? 😂
@@rjr8876 your commenting on something that happened years ago like 10 years or more . Telling me what happened . Your talking shit . He had a spare key !! The end ! No fancy run lock. The car was running aka the engine as normal. Dick head and that being polite
Stop start must have been disabled, to bang on about the environment, to tax it, then to leave a vehicle too idol for 15 mins you say, in what looks like a pedestrian area, is a bit of a piss take, it takes approx 5 seconds to start a car, less if key is in ignition, he doesn't have to get out and hand crank it anymore, and it looks like he doesn't like being questioned either, unless its on his terms probably.
Police officers Audited! Shoulder numbers, car reg, day date time, location - attitude. But to be fair, he was patient, and reasonably pleasant, even when a tad irked!
Well done... I hate drivers running their car engine and sometimes they leave their toddlers kids when going in and out of shops/delivers/etc, keep the great work up 👍Man
Emergency vehicles have a lot of additional equipment including lights, computers, battery chargers all of which only charge when engine is on or they are shore lined so it’s quite a reasonable reason to keep the engine ticking over for a short while.
I know I’m right because I am an Emergency service worker. It’s not the phones and radios that need charging it’s ANPR, light control panels, torch chargers, mapping systems, etc etc nothing illegal about it!
No, your absolutely wrong. Highway code rule 123 states "You MUST NOT leave engine running unnecessarily. It's a law covered by the road traffic act. Contravention is an infringement punishable by a fixed penalty of £80. I'm a lorry driver, and have a good understanding of uk traffic laws. It is illegal, it is enforceable and penalty notices have been issued. This is not rocket science, it's very easy for you to check this.
If your an emergency service worker, I can only assume you are not in the transport/logistics/response division. If you did work in this area you would know the laws around idling. Professional drivers have to do courses quite often to keep refreshed. You mentioned ANPR, which is used by police, so if your copper, you REALLY should know the law.
jon gerrie I am most definitely in the response division as you call it. I think you need to brush up on your legislation as we have something called exemptions under the road traffic act so stop wasting your time annoying officers clearly carrying out some form of detail and go back to whatever it is you do for a living...
Again that same problem returning, arrogance and unwillingness nay being in incapable of admitting being wrong and adapt behavior. Waiting for the next call, rubbish, turning a key doesn’t slow them down.
