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Political Correctness is Redpilling America 

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Harvard psychology professor Steven Pinker argues that political correctness actually breeds the very same extremist views it hopes to quash.
Excerpted from Spiked Magazine’s 'Unsafe Space Tour' panel discussion at Harvard University.
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@gantmj
@gantmj 5 лет назад
My first red pill was finding out that women are not paid less for doing the same work. That rabbit hole was a crazy one.
@unhombrelibre_11
@unhombrelibre_11 5 лет назад
gantmj read the Rational Male series by Rollo Tomassi. That is the original red pill, thank me later.
@HP-fn4bo
@HP-fn4bo 5 лет назад
My first red pill was watching white “feminists” in Michigan marching while wearing hijabs, proclaiming them “symbols of female empowerment.” I knew in my guts i couldn’t get behind that. I knew I was looking at empty shells of human beings. I hope women in the Middle East can forgive us for that shit.
@fastestdino2
@fastestdino2 5 лет назад
That was a redpill for you man? You're not ready for the real world.
@arandomperson420
@arandomperson420 5 лет назад
As a woman I knew right away that’s not true and when they say the famous argument that: “women are paid less” they leave out the fact that those women are less educated and/or have less experience!
@MeanBeanComedy
@MeanBeanComedy 4 года назад
@@arandomperson420 It's not even that. The biggest difference is that they're comparing men and women at all jobs they Do. Just average pay for all full time male work and all full time female work. The "for the same job!" part they tack on at the end is an absolute lie.
@Backstabbio
@Backstabbio 6 лет назад
In order to defend your view, you must understand your opponents argument as well as they do, and preferably better.
@RAMSEY1987
@RAMSEY1987 6 лет назад
Pinker fails to demonstrate that here
@willwat25
@willwat25 6 лет назад
it's not about being racist, its about understanding racial differences as an explanation for outcome inequality and rejecting affermative action and and racial and gnender quotas
@barbarossa3494
@barbarossa3494 6 лет назад
logical fruit Pinker is actually one of the more down to earth people in academia. He makes a good point here, but it's too late to reverse the trends that dominate the universities. It's been 80 since Gramsci, almost 50 years since Marcuse. Culminating in the most unhinged SJW's we see today, Cultural Marxism ended up being too successful for it's own good and will indeed lead to red-pilling of many across the political spectrum.
@Sebastian-hg3xc
@Sebastian-hg3xc 6 лет назад
@You Can't Debate Me Dumbass > That certainly doesn't sound like Swedish people are going extinct Pew recently published some population projections for Europe. They talk about religion (Islam) rather than races, but it's practically the same thing as their own article shows that Islam grows due to birth rates and migration. Almost none of Islam's growth is due to conversion. They put Sweden up as 8.1% Muslim, which is already a lot higher than most European countries (UK: 6.3, Germany: 6.1, France: 8.8). The US has less than 1% Muslims. Their projections are for 2050 and consider three different scenarios: Zero additional migration, a "medium" amount of migration and a "high" amount of migration. The projected Muslim population in Sweden is then: 11.1% with zero migration, 20.5% with medium migration, and 30.6% with high migration. High birth rates and net migration will eventually lead to ethnic Swedes becoming a minority in their own country, although it will take a few generations. > People in the alt-right seem to be manipulated easily and fail to to see past their own biases. You can say that about pretty much every group (and individual) out there, even and maybe especially academics.
@Bob5mith
@Bob5mith 6 лет назад
"If the Muslim population is 30.6% and the rest of the other minorities stay at 12%, then this leaves the majority at 57.4%. That would be slightly under what the white population in the US is (~60%). They would still be a majority, the native Swedes." Do you even read what you write? If Sweden is 30.6% Muslim in 2050, that means the percentage is over six and a half times as much as it was in 2010, just 40 years before. Why would you tell yourself it would stop increasing then? Do you expect anyone else to believe that? At that average rate Sweden would be a Muslim majority country by 2080, going from 4.6% to more than 50% in one lifetime. That's ignoring that it would more likely be an exponential increase than linear.
@BakerWase
@BakerWase 6 лет назад
Political correctness first made me read Sam Harris' work in Islam. I had read his work on the "mind" and consciousness and knew that he wasn't bigotted so I knew the leftist narrative that he hates Muslims was wrong. And when I read his book, sure enough, he doesn't hate Muslims, he is just concerned that Islam has some backward ideas that some Muslims WILL follow; and that most Muslims deny that because THEY dont follow the backward part of Islam. Then it was Peterson; they said he was a nazi who hated gays and trans; did some research, that was complete nonsense, he is just against ideological politics being force into everyones lives via law. Then it was Shapiro, he is the nazi alt righter who thinks trans people dont have the right to exist. And again, nonsense, he says you can be trans if you want, just dont force him to call you by a specific gender by law. Everytime the left tries to unfairly malign someone, it strengthens right wing thinking.
@za5820
@za5820 6 лет назад
Next, go listen to race realists like JF Gariepy or Black Pigeon Speaks and realize how horribly you've been kept in the dark and lied to regarding race. After that, check out actual alt-right speakers like Richard Spencer especially regarding things like alt-right rallies, antifa, Charlottesville and whether or not you agree with their message (personally, I don't) you'll understand the level to which our media will stoop in order to paint a narrative and enforce physical violence on views they don't like.
@Hirnlego999
@Hirnlego999 6 лет назад
"strengthens right wing thinking." If only the last word was true.
@matthewmalpeli
@matthewmalpeli 6 лет назад
Political correctness is a fantasy. It doesn't exist apart from in the minds of people who maintain ideas that have been rendered unpopular by open debate focusing on the facts. It's literally right wing butthurt having lost the culture war that they started. Pathetic, really.
@matthewmalpeli
@matthewmalpeli 6 лет назад
toggle foot Richard Spencer is literally a fascist. The only platform he deserves is the gallows.
@pesterlis
@pesterlis 6 лет назад
Courtshannon listen to Jared taylor
@babybuntin1
@babybuntin1 6 лет назад
Love this consideration of both sides of the argument. This is on what civil discourse should be modelled.
@benjhouston7242
@benjhouston7242 5 лет назад
The problem he doesn't address: WHY are such facts controversial in universities and the mainstream?
@gorecassady1632
@gorecassady1632 5 лет назад
Benj Houston it’s an 8 minute video, relax
@shshashiekhar
@shshashiekhar 4 года назад
Search yuri bezmenov . You will get the answer
@MeanBeanComedy
@MeanBeanComedy 4 года назад
@@gorecassady1632 Yeah, right? He mentions that all the time in other lectures.
@slyfox144
@slyfox144 4 года назад
@@shshashiekhar useful idiots
@fembot521
@fembot521 4 года назад
Benj Houston Read the book The Coddling of the American Mind to get some insight.
@TheJusticeDuck
@TheJusticeDuck 6 лет назад
Your stuff on Islam not having religious wars is brutally wrong. But otherwise a good video.
@volingrad
@volingrad 6 лет назад
What he said was that there was no equivalent to the European wars of religion, which is accurate. The ottoman empire allowed its shia population to live without forcibly converting them. The austrian empire waged the 30 years war to convert germany to Catholicism.
@FirefoxisredExplorerisblueGoog
@Crosshair The reformation was an exceptionally bloody war for its time and it changed the way religion worked in the state and the role it had in peoples' lives forever. Islam has never gone through an equivalent event, the closest thing to it was probably the Sunni/Shia split and that was more of an inheritance war than a religious war.
@volingrad
@volingrad 6 лет назад
1. More people converted to islam through trade than through conquest. this is how the religion spread to Indonesia and west Africa. 2. Muslims didn't manage and control the slave trade to the new world, the dutch and British did. Thats just basic historical fact. 3. Slavery existed in the European colonial possessions well into the 1920's. 4. the ottomans did oppress Christians when the empire was in a state of collapse, but during the height of the empire they were vastly more tolerant than there European counter parts. When Spain expelled the jews, the turks took them in.
@BarefootSamuraiX
@BarefootSamuraiX 6 лет назад
I guess you guys mix up things documented by western historians in Europe and less documented and less well-known history elsewhere. Just because we do not teach about ethnic cleansings in wars outside of Europe, it does not mean that that did not happen. History has unbelievably brutal things that can be discovered. And you ignore the political implications of the reformation. It is not purely religious. A great innovation of Islam is that it is more efficient to spread your dominance by not hunting after all others which takes a lot of effort and time, but rather let strict laws and practices against minority beliefs do their job over time. Very brilliant, but not a humanist motivation. @volingrad: you obviously did not study the Islamic slave trade in Africa and Islamic slavers hunting ships in the meditereanian sea for centuries if not 1000 years.
@BarefootSamuraiX
@BarefootSamuraiX 6 лет назад
To enlighten you about reformation history. It happened in the holy roman empire of German nations which was lead by an emperor who was crowned by the pope. So, reformation threatening the foundations and practises of the boss of the emperor (probably Austrian) is not a purely religious thing, but heavy politics.
@Cactuarbomb
@Cactuarbomb 6 лет назад
The most striking part of this talk is he had to spend 5 minutes protecting himself before talking about the politically correct left.
@he110me
@he110me 4 года назад
The James Damore debacle at Google is when I stopped listening to the social justice group. That was such a clear example of a witch hunt, and the Covington Kids debacle only reinforced my decision.
@Peace_Guard
@Peace_Guard 6 лет назад
Aren't Rashidun and Umayyad Caliphates kind of like the crusades, just hundreds of times bigger?
@dmsdmullins
@dmsdmullins 6 лет назад
And so goes the saying, "I didn't leave the Democratic party. The Democratic party left me." Which is absolutely true in my case.
@StefanBooy
@StefanBooy 6 лет назад
Excellent and thoughtful points. A must listen for any teacher, at any level.
@puppetsock
@puppetsock 6 лет назад
Islam never had religious wars? Um, which Islam is it you are discussing there Steve? How much of Europe was conquered by Islam? Do you not know who Charles Martel was?
@SethDavidson68
@SethDavidson68 5 лет назад
Yeah he was WAY off on that one. The war between Islam and Hindu India made the Crusades look like a circus sideshow...and don't even get started on the Mongol-Muslim conflicts
@HerveKeptner
@HerveKeptner 3 года назад
Islam was a war against itself
@gregsummers99
@gregsummers99 2 года назад
This dude deserves a badge of honor for bravery.
@mokiloke
@mokiloke 2 года назад
doubt he could say these things nowadays without getting blacklisted by Harvard and other institutions. Sad state of affairs when rationality is no longer acceptable.
@Paradox-dy3ve
@Paradox-dy3ve 6 лет назад
How are sexism, racism, ect related, in any way, to Ararcho-Libertarianism?
@rasto62
@rasto62 3 года назад
It confused me as well, but I think it works this way: He presents sexism and racism as the alt-right response to the stats about men and women, and correspondingly, AnCap and AnLib are presented as alt-right response to capitalist societies generally being better than communist ones
@abhimanyukarnawat7441
@abhimanyukarnawat7441 3 года назад
Lolberts should be destroyed.
@balvsmalvs5425
@balvsmalvs5425 2 года назад
You are an exceedingly un-smart person.
@Paradox-dy3ve
@Paradox-dy3ve 2 года назад
@@balvsmalvs5425 lol couldn't think of a better word than "un-smart?". Also wtf man, it's just a simple question. It sounded like he was saying anarcho libertarianism is inherently racist/sexist. But in reality he was talking about how accepting a set a of facts doesn't have to make us a sexist, racist, OR anarcho libertarian. Which I'm guessing he associates with the right wing libertarian movement in America. So he really wasn't suggesting a connection between the concepts. So actually I'm not "unsmart" you're just being a snarky arrogant jerk for literally no reason.
@balvsmalvs5425
@balvsmalvs5425 2 года назад
@@Paradox-dy3ve If I said I used that word on purpose, would your worldview get blown to bits? "Which I'm guessing he associates with the right wing libertarian movement in America." You are truly one of the un-smartest folks I've read in a long, looong time. Truly. I hope that word hasn't triggered you into other un-smartness.
@mweibleii
@mweibleii 6 лет назад
Doesn't Harvard discriminate against Asian American applicants?
@jamesline5103
@jamesline5103 6 лет назад
If Asians were not discriminated against they would dominate the universities. Just look at universities in Australia.
@mweibleii
@mweibleii 6 лет назад
So what? The same argument could be made for Blacks against Whites. DO you think Asians should pay less tax too? I mean, given their kids have LESS access to public resources due to racist discrimination by their so-called publically funded servants. If Asians dominate Universities, then get rid of the regulatory-capture that make Universities into rent-seekers. Eliminate State enforced licensing (which will indeed favor Asians) and return to a free-market.
@ooDirtyMickoo
@ooDirtyMickoo 6 лет назад
oh yeah, what white mothership said
@Jonedcc
@Jonedcc 5 лет назад
By "Asian" you mean not black
@billdoor1569
@billdoor1569 5 лет назад
@@jamesline5103 My family is from a very poor part of singapore, we were very very poor until my father (who is white) got a job working as a mechanic for an airline and left the family to work, I was on my own from 15 years old and had no financial help other than rent living in the UK, so when universities descriminate against asians, they push people like myself away based on nothing other than race, it should be done on an individual basis, not a group one, otherwise its just racism under a different name.
@BitesizeEcon
@BitesizeEcon 6 лет назад
I love Steven Pinker! He usually has some very rational, well balanced arguments.
@calysagora3615
@calysagora3615 Год назад
Yet he makes crazy hasty generalizations and mis-characterizations of other moral frameworks than his own statetheist ones, which are inherently based in violence and perpetual extortion of everyone. He is bright, but lacks some fundamental understanding of economics and distributed systems, and from his biases and lacking logic rigor he therefore ends up advocating for violent and enslaving solutions for solving complex social issues, and belittle those who do not accept theft and violence as the basis for how we deal with problems in society.
@tomryan9827
@tomryan9827 6 лет назад
Every time I start a Stephen Pinker video ready to get offended, I'm nodding my head like a minute into it
@MelvinKoopmans
@MelvinKoopmans 6 лет назад
It's like I'm scrolling down an IQ ladder. Listening to an intelligent view on political correctness, and as I scroll down to the comments section intelligence drops exponentially.
@ellomirza
@ellomirza Год назад
The transcript of what he just said in a five minute video is 43 pages long you dumb dick. A two line comment may actually contain a brilliant argument if you know what the person is trying to say but doesn’t have the patience to type into what would become a wall of text no one would read. Also you read comments in bad faith so what’s otherwise taken for granted becomes an opening for your counter argument.
@GregorPQ
@GregorPQ 5 лет назад
'There was no equivalent of the war of religion in islam' - Not True.
@balvsmalvs5425
@balvsmalvs5425 2 года назад
You dropped out the word *Inquisition.* There. Fixed.
@0rthogonal
@0rthogonal 6 лет назад
I dont know any Anarcho-Capitalists that are opposed to safety nets and regulated markets. Sounds like the same problem of coming to extreme and hasty conclusions when hearing a new truth his entire argument was predicated on. You absolutely can have those things through voluntary and peaceful means.
@DouglasHPlumb
@DouglasHPlumb 6 лет назад
Pinker is very much worth listening to, and probably one of the clearest and most rational voices on the internet.
@rpgcraftsman520
@rpgcraftsman520 2 года назад
I wouldn't say that "taking the red pill" is the same as "joining the Alt Right," but other than that, all very solid points.
@alftupper9359
@alftupper9359 6 лет назад
"...people whose affiliation might be up for grabs..." Poetry.
@titter3648
@titter3648 6 лет назад
Islam not waging religious wars in the past history? Really Pinker? You might want read a history book some time.... Or maybe you have, and you are just being deliberately dishonest?
@WalkerKlondyke
@WalkerKlondyke 6 лет назад
How did anarcho-capitalism get lumped in with the Alt Right? Or anything else he mentioned as a negative position?
@BearZap34
@BearZap34 6 лет назад
WalkerKlondike >Harvard professor The man is trying to see his life long ideological enemy in a new light, trying to overcome cognitive dissonance. Because the level of cognitive dissonance on campuses(and leftist circles) is so great it can no longer be ignored. What he is doing is very hard to do, its mostly wrong, but it is taking steps in the right direction.
@Jaigarful
@Jaigarful 6 лет назад
He mentioned it at the beginning. To boil it down: Political Correctness is causing facts not to be addressed on college campuses. The alt-right is a place where these facts are addressed, but not good manner by drawing conclusions that don't necessarily follow.
@rwatertree
@rwatertree 6 лет назад
Maybe Pinker stumbled upon some misguided Hans-Herman Hoppe fanboys and their snek memes.
@WalkerKlondyke
@WalkerKlondyke 6 лет назад
Jaigarful how do the conclusions of anarcho-capitalism not follow facts? And, the Alt-Right is largely Socialist, anti-free market. The two, Anarcho-Capitalism and the Alt-Right, have nothing to do with each other and are in fact independently logically consistent positions. (Someone may correct me on the Logical consistency of the Alt-Right) That Pinker characterizes the two as related or somehow internally inconsistent, suggests that he doesn't actually understand them in the first place.
@WalkerKlondyke
@WalkerKlondyke 6 лет назад
rwatertree those are pretty funny, tho.
@liamwinter4512
@liamwinter4512 4 года назад
Animal farm is unfortunately being introduced literally all around us, and it will lead to a combination of 1984 and a brave new world.
@TheSpicyLeg
@TheSpicyLeg 5 лет назад
I liken the progressive left to a street gang, at least in hierarchy. For those unfamiliar, street gangs deal drugs by having a low level gang member stand on a street corner. This is obviously a task with a high likelihood of being caught by police, so the gang puts layers of intermediaries between the street member and the boss, so when the street member is invariably caught, there is nothing to give the police. As gang members rise within the gang hierarchy, they not only become privy to the gang’s inner workings, but also gain more protection. Naturally, we might wonder what it is that draws a low level gang member to risk so much to enrich the gang boss while they shoulder little of the burden. The ‘street members’ of the left are those you meet in protests, antifa, and so on. They don’t really understand their gang’s inner workings, its goals, or its methods. In this sense, I can’t really hate these leftists. They are being used for the high-level leftists’ goals.
@TheHollandHS
@TheHollandHS Год назад
The main problem with American politics is many people cannot distinguish political correctness and political awareness To be aware is the real point people need to achieve .
@rwatertree
@rwatertree 6 лет назад
Pinker is correct that many of the facts such as the differences between men and women do not advocate discrimination or any other extreme action. However, they do bring one to realise that the policies, laws and institutions built up around the denial of these controversial facts must be abolished. That itself is a radical position that is verboten in public discourse. Also, leave Ancaps alone. They are the least dangerous extremists in America and not part of the Alt-Right ffs.
@fredkeebox829
@fredkeebox829 6 лет назад
+rwatertree: he picked the safe target (women) and made it stand in for the hard one (race). Though, he did touch racial crime, didn't he. What did he say about it? "It might not always be so?" Yeah that's not much comfort. It might, also, in fact always be so, like it is in other black areas of the world.
@rwatertree
@rwatertree 6 лет назад
The alt right is concerning in many ways, least of all their desire to make to Western societies into ethnostates or segregated ones. Many alt righters with whom I've spoken are third positionists (i.e. various types of fascists or national socialists) which at least speaks to economic and political illiteracy.
@johnnonamegibbon3580
@johnnonamegibbon3580 6 лет назад
Alt Right is too vague a term to take seriously. Everyone who isn't a SJW type is now considered Alt Right to many.
@syzyphyz
@syzyphyz 6 лет назад
Alt-Right as used by the broader media is a miasmic term, alt-right in the Richard Spencer sense has more NatSoc tendencies.
@johnnonamegibbon3580
@johnnonamegibbon3580 6 лет назад
rwatertree I find your use of the term "ethno state" charming. All states and societies are already based on ethnicity unofficially. The Alt Right simply rejects Multiculturalism, which is a new and untested political theory. Ancaps are ridiculous in that they don't understand that capitalism , which we never had, simply buys out any government and has it serve the wealthy. But that's neither here nor there as we have a half state, half corporate system. Which isn't capitalism.
@dbasman
@dbasman 6 лет назад
It's fascinating to watch Pinker try and denounce PC from within the confines of PC. It's all very toothless, and he still seems nervous, like a flash mob might at any moment decide to tear him limb from limb. And this is what counts as brave truth-telling in academia -- sad!
@stevepisano5566
@stevepisano5566 6 лет назад
As a conservative, you should empathize with his necessity to move slowly but surely, rather than in one large swoop.
@Batosai11489
@Batosai11489 6 лет назад
I personally think that a conservative's primary thoughts would be closer to "eliminate the threat as soon as possible" and maybe even "you're either with us or against us".
@stevepisano5566
@stevepisano5566 6 лет назад
That sounds like the far left in a nutshell. Most conservatives trust that their mindset will allow them to thrive without depending on others, so they don't tend to consider the left a huge threat except for when they try to take everyone's money.
@Batosai11489
@Batosai11489 6 лет назад
I think you could actually make that claim about both. I was actually speaking from personal experience (being extremely Conservative myself) when I view the far left as a threat. I think this is at least part of the reason that right wingers seem to be embracing and even allying with moderate left wingers at the moment. The moderate ones, even in power, aren't a threat like the radicals.
@kevincgrabb
@kevincgrabb 6 лет назад
Pinker and his brain, brain, brain, brain
@BitesizeEcon
@BitesizeEcon 6 лет назад
Hahaha!
@brianriley5108
@brianriley5108 6 лет назад
Lmao. Thanks!
@bernadineschacht8175
@bernadineschacht8175 6 лет назад
Too bad he is so monumentally uninformed about who is committing the terrorist acts.
@wibblywobbly1234
@wibblywobbly1234 6 лет назад
He's a coward; he won't speak the truth about race and IQ.
@MooMooManist
@MooMooManist 6 лет назад
Lol, he's got a whole talk just about that: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-K2sUW8q7uWI.html
@dpeters9897
@dpeters9897 6 лет назад
Brilliantly-eloquent and as polite as anyone I’ve ever heard speak a word. Well said.
@christinegagnon7516
@christinegagnon7516 5 лет назад
I’m really annoyed with the idea that a person can’t hear these things of which her speaks WITHOUT becoming an “alt-right extremist. All we’d like is for these facts to be a part of the discussion on fixing these issues, as they obviously have to be and are not currently. The solutions will never be correct until that happens
@anonygent
@anonygent 7 месяцев назад
Five years later, just expressing these facts of life will get you branded an alt-right extremist.
@ratoneJR
@ratoneJR 6 лет назад
Things do change over time, true. Things are getting harder in the black community. Feminism is getting worse.(ex. metoo) He seems to using omission and half truths to distort reality. Academia is doomed.
@philoposos
@philoposos 6 лет назад
I usually like Pinker. But everything he said in this talk was sooo caricatural. It is like the only alternatives are: either you are a leftist or you are a bigot -- even if you are a bigot who happens to know his facts. He makes it looks like the mission of any sensible person would be to prevent good, but naive, people to be corrupted by right-wing influence. Come on! As the a french president once answered to a leftist adversary in the 60s : "you don't have the monopoly of good intentions." If anything else, in these last decades, the Left seems to have degenerated into a cult blindly followed by people with no qualms about doing actual evil in exchange for the promisse of a future, vague and questionable good. Actually, I feel it is my moral duty to denounce the violence in the modern progressives methods; to denounce the totalitarian tendencies of leftist political goals; to have the courage to hold a stand against diffamation and docxing campaigns in order to denounce racism, sexism and bigotry when it comes disguised as social justice. I understand he is probably talking at an University. Therefore he must adjust his speech to the public. However, it seems to me that he felt himself victim to the political correction he was criticising...
@TheFrygar
@TheFrygar 6 лет назад
Jesus, go read a book. Congratulations on blatantly misunderstanding everything Pinker said and putting your own cockamamie motivations on him.
@shaunpatrick8345
@shaunpatrick8345 6 лет назад
Pollen, this guy does understand what Pinker said. Pinker straw manned all the way through the speech because he wanted to take the PC stance that everything the right does is bigoted. Just one example: he said that there is a higher rate of criminality among blacks and the alt-right does something "racist" with this information. What they actually do is not assume every traffic stop of a black man must be motivated by racism, or that the number of black prisoners is somehow indicative of a systematically racist justice system. It is the left who takes the racist view, blaming whites' "systemic racism" for all problems faced by blacks because they ignore the facts Pinker spoke of, but he can't say that to a bunch of Harvard Liberals, can he?
@philoposos
@philoposos 6 лет назад
POLLEN, thanks for the word "Cockamamie". I didn't know it. Thanks to you I leaned something today. By the way, what book would you suggest? (Not a big one, please: I'm still learning English). On a different note, you are right: I shouldn't have talked about the left. It was partisan of me. I should have limited my scope to political correctness. I am sorry if I offended.
@philoposos
@philoposos 6 лет назад
EMMA, thanks for the solidarity. And I think you're right: he seems hesitant throughout the talk. It looks like he is taking extra care about his choice of words. However, I am still bothered by the content: all the contextualising effort he talks about seems to be aimed only in avoiding any interpretation that would not be politically correct. Maybe it is just me, but I believe facts just don't care about political correctness. Or am I too naive to believe that not being (primerily) concerned with political correctness does not automatically entails one is a bigot? In his defense, in the beginning, he mentioned something that might have happened in the campus that seems to be an example of a toxic consequences of PC. (The guy by his side seems a little upset about it: he anxiously starts to scribe on his notes). This is Pinker putting things in context to show that PC can also have bad consequences. His overall point is also very valid: people are prisoners of the echo chambers of their own criation. Thus, they are not equipped to process neither facts nor divergent interpretations. And this is causing a great deal of pointless conflict. (Universities seem to behave like big institutional echo chambers though. Which justify his care about his choice of words - I know I wouldn't want to be at odds with dozens of enraged Havard students: they are too competent to not believe they are always brilliantly right about everything...).
@holyhelena2
@holyhelena2 6 лет назад
WELL put.
@Meton2526
@Meton2526 6 лет назад
It really is sad that Anarcho-Capitalism is talked about as and considered to be extreme. How is it that "Don't steal from, forcibly coerce, or assault others" became the extreme position? Sad.
@jeppep95
@jeppep95 6 лет назад
Anarcho capitalism is retarded, you cant defend proporty rights without the govorment
@Meton2526
@Meton2526 6 лет назад
That's not an argument, and even if it were, it would be a fallacious appeal to consequence, and a bad one at that. First off, no government can exist without violating property rights in the first place, so you can't defend property rights WITH a government. If a government claims, whether in portion or entirety, the product of my labor, it is asserting that it has more right to my property than I myself do. If you REALLY believe that a government protects property rights, you are deluding yourself; a government only protects the ability of its serfs to continue paying their taxes. Second, Anarcho-Capitalism is not an ideology based around the best pragmatic outcome for myself, or for anybody else, it has to do with what is moral and what is tyrannical. Forcibly stealing another person's property is immoral, and therefor no government can be an ethical institution; hence why anarchy is the only ethical arrangement.
@jeppep95
@jeppep95 6 лет назад
How do you stop people from stealing your stuff without the govorment?
@alexsitaras6508
@alexsitaras6508 6 лет назад
you'd have to defend it your self
@Meton2526
@Meton2526 6 лет назад
Not to mention that a community will not tolerate a thief; if someone starts getting aggressive in a community that doesn't have a government, people are going to come together to police themselves. Anarchy doesn't mean a complete chaotic free for all, it means no rulers, but that in no way precludes there being punishment for breaching others' property rights. Only in government propoganda can you have the idea that "people are evil and will steal your stuff, so lets give all the power to a group of people we call "government" to control who is allowed to steal and murder."
@g00se99
@g00se99 6 лет назад
I could nitpick but he seemed pretty chill. Agreed with much of viewpoint about freedom of speech.
@JosephPage
@JosephPage 6 лет назад
I have a very weird feeling that most of the people commenting on this video are not the kinds of people that Steven Pinker wants to associate with, and yet this video is titled exactly to appeal to those people instead of necessarily representing Pinker's view.
@cyntogia
@cyntogia 6 лет назад
Some of his facts are historically inaccurate. I still agree with the conclusion for the most part.
@jasonhaze5349
@jasonhaze5349 6 лет назад
Which ones?
@jbombm8059
@jbombm8059 6 лет назад
Thanks for that, I too was fairly taken back when he made the claims that he did about Islam vs. Christendom
@allisterforest1842
@allisterforest1842 6 лет назад
he claims there were no great religious wars in Islam compared to Christianity. That's pretty dishonest to say
@sinistril
@sinistril 6 лет назад
haha I have that book sitting on my desk waiting to be read
@tamelo
@tamelo 6 лет назад
mastercilander that is not what records of the time, from both christians and muslims, show. You have to belive Inquisitors were forging their own texts with confessions under torture or letters that praise the massacre of heretics - protestants. And vice versa. The Inquisition was created to protect Roman Catholicism from all its foals, including other Christians.
@RPSchonherr
@RPSchonherr 6 лет назад
It all started with Anita Hill and Clarence Thomas. After that case everybody had to be PC at work. Sexual harassment training was mandated etc.
@therasheck
@therasheck 6 лет назад
I want to be as free as possable, and the only way I can see to do that is to not deny any one the freedom that I want. That is why I am an Individualist. Aslong as you harm no one you are free.
@TheatreEd
@TheatreEd 6 лет назад
Do you live on an island?
@therasheck
@therasheck 6 лет назад
No. I try to live my values as best I can, but neather I or life is perfect.
@ericpreston8877
@ericpreston8877 Год назад
Most indiviulists favor abortion bans, banning transgenderism, gay marriage, etc.
@bobjones5370
@bobjones5370 5 лет назад
i think whats important is how you frame these facts as well as who's saying them and what their intention is. what I noticed is that every time the right speaks out about pc they do so with the intention to " own the libs" and "trigger lefties" which is also how they try to frame their arguments and phrases while also leaving out important facts and other details as well as mentioning other facts out of context. When they do this, of course it will upset the left who in response will lash out in the name of pc which in turn creates a cycle with the right "triggering" them, the left lashing at them, and the right getting upset before it repeats itself. to an extent, I do believe in some form of pc but one that is encouraged in society and has naturally become a social norm; not one that has been enforced by the government. I think it should be discouraged that using racial slurs, homophobic slurs, etc be used in daily life but that is in my opinion that pc is defined as avoiding offensive slurs and phrases that are meant to dehumanize or target certain groups of people or individuals. however I believe that it is crucial that we keep certain facts that can be deemed "offensive" in context as well as using ALL of the facts and the way we frame them and our intentions behind saying them so that it will not seem "anti-pc" so that we may keep the public informed about these facts while not seemingly trying to upset everyone.
@TheCalmPsycho
@TheCalmPsycho Год назад
I know this comment is 3 years old, so your thoughts may be different now, but I believe PC to be extremely limiting and downright dangerous in some cases. I am not educated, so my terminology might be a little off. PC culture is what I call an identitarian ideology. Identitarianism by my understanding is the idea that the group identifier is vastly more important than the individual self. All humans, including you and me are identitarian to some degree, we are not omniscient creatures, so we need labels and categories to make sense of the world around us. As such, we settle for less because we cannot achieve more. But an identitarian ideology, especially a culturally accepted one, imposes external beliefs upon a populace, rather than the ability of critical thought and self reflection. When it comes to political correctness in and of itself, it is no more than a tool, or a guideline to help people. A tool is only as good or as bad as the intentions of it's wielder, however, the efficacy of a tool is determined by the knowledge with which it is held. The problem is that PC culture is almost imposed as a social law which must be adhered to lest you get called an istaphobe. We have created a culture in which it is tacitly wrong to treat people like people, now we have to perceive and treat Asian people like Asian, not like people, gay people like gay, not like people. In this case, we are imposing values, beliefs, words, and stereotypes into the mouths of every human being in the entirety of history of existence of ever, because that is what we are told is correct. For example; I was molested as a child, and many people in North America today are taught and even raised with the ideology of getting offended for my sake because it is the kind thing to do. However, when people get offended for me, they are not giving me my voice, they are imposing theirs upon me. They are not giving me freedom of expression or choice, they are imposing theirs upon the rest of society, dictating how everyone else must perceive and treat me, creating an artificial barrier between people, not uniting them. They believe they are lifting me up, when in reality they are pushing me down to the tyranny of the lowest common denominator, and using me as a cudgel to beat people they disagree with over the head. They aren't treating me like a living breathing human being, they treat me like a worthless sack of child fuck flesh that needs them to be my master because they genuinely believe I am incapable of basic human function. The soft bigotry of low expectations. Under political correctness in it's ideological format, we don't matter, we don't exist, we are worthless, we are nothing but sacks of flesh to be segregated and categorized. For the more we perceive and treat people like nothing more than labels, the less human we all become, because we will be too busy treating each other like spreadsheets, rather than treating each other like human beings. All of this in the name of correctness. Just because you're correct, doesn't mean you're right.
@bobjones5370
@bobjones5370 Год назад
@@TheCalmPsycho While I do agree that people are more than labels, what you are saying is not the purpose or intent of PC and your description of those being PC is inaccurate. The entire point of PC is to identify and acknowledge the issues and problems that individual marginalized groups face and then attempting to solve them socially, politically, economically, etc. For example black people constantly deal with systemic racism especially in the justice system, gays still do not have equal protection under the law, there has been an increase of bigotry towards the LGBT in general, Asians had to deal with hate crimes etc. By not acknowledging the identities of these people and just "treating people as people" you are essentially ignoring the unique struggles that each group face and therefore you are ignoring the problem as well as not solving the problem. PC does not stereotype others, it brings awareness and identifies the common struggles, issues, and problems that individual marginalized groups face. Using your example as a child rape victim, people are not taught to be offended in North America. They are taught that molestatation, rape, SA etc. is a terrible thing and that the issue itself is much worse than once was thought. They are taught that victims tend to be silenced and that victims were "asking for it". They were taught that the issue is more than just some mugger preying on a woman in the middle of the night; that it often occurs with people in authority abusing their powers and that the rapists are often someone that the victim knows. They speak out and attempt to speak for ALL victims of sexual assault that again the issue is a lot more serious than previously thought. Not to invalidate what you went through, but there are also countless victims that appreciate those who attempt to raise awareness, speak out for them, and even give them a voice. PC may be annoying to some but mainly towards those who lowkey support if not align themselves with bigotry, prejudice, etc. Under PC, issues of individual marginalized groups face are identified and eventually resolved. And by ignoring the unique labels they have you also ignore the systemic problems faced in a society where people have equal opportunity and protection under the law. Also your use of the word identitarian is horribly misused considering that it refers to far right ethno-nationalist politics.
@TheCalmPsycho
@TheCalmPsycho Год назад
@@bobjones5370 I appreciate your detailed response, and it is my fault that I wasn't detailed myself. I agree with you on most of what you said. The intention of PC is different than the intentions of a subset of people using PC. PC is a tool, it can be used for good and bad. While I was focusing on the negatives it can produce, I did not acknowledge the good that it can produce like your comment did. And again, that was my fault, I laser focused on things people do with PC that annoy me, rather than the totality of the ideology and its different uses. I do think it is important to discuss the issues specific to different groups, as you stated, but I also find a subset of people doing what I was complaining about, which is reducing everyone into labels in the name of political correctness, and I find it happens very often. One thing that I disagree with you on is your usage of the word identity. In my mind, gay, black, Asian, and white are not identities, but rather identifiers. This is what I meant by imposing values and perspectives upon people. Things that happen to some of these people are external factors, not internal factors. That is why someone like me who was molested as a child, cannot speak for someone else who was molested as a child, it is the difference in external factors *and* internal factors that make our perceptions and beliefs different. As you said, most people who were molested as children appreciate being given a voice, but again, that is the voice of the speakers, not my voice, not the voice of other people who were molested. And because of those talks focusing on the values of the perceived majority, as you said it is most of them, then my voice is being rejected because I am not in the majority, and values are imposed upon me by people believing they are doing good. Maybe I am nitpicking here, and maybe I am still not articulating my point properly, but I do believe there is a subtle, yet very important, distinction between identity, and identifier. As for my misuse of identitarianism, I knew that it was mainly used to label alt-right, but I find the values of identitarianism in the misuse of PC or identity politics. Identitarianism through the alt-right white supremacy lens is the dehumanization, and sometimes even demonization of black people or Jews into nothing more than black/Jew and imposing perspectives and beliefs upon and about them. And that is the exact same value I was describing in the misuse of PC in my first comment. The intentions are different, but the result is the same, black is inherently ___ because black, Asians are inherently ___ because Asian, people who were molested as children are inherently ___ because they were molested as children. These are external factors being imposed upon a demographic or a label because of social/political ideologies saying they are correct. Like I said, I am uneducated, so if there is a better term for what I am describing, I do not know it, but I was not trying to say that people misusing PC in the way I described earlier are evil or stupid, or alt-right supremacists. I do genuinely believe most people are good people trying to do good within the scope of their beliefs, values and experiences. Anyway, I appreciate you taking time out of your day to talk with a random stranger. I always enjoy talking to people with different perspectives even if we may not agree or like what each other believes, and it makes me happy when people give me that chance. Talking on the internet is like screaming into the void, very rarely do I get anything close to a good response like you gave me. Thanks again, and have a nice day!
@bobjones5370
@bobjones5370 Год назад
@@TheCalmPsycho I understand and agree with the subset of people who misuse PC. Yes they are annoying. Yes they can be irritating. Yes they can be at times be counterproductive to their own movement (those people are called wokescolds and SJWs btw, you'll often find them on twitter participating in cancel culture and such; hell even leftists hate them). But they are just that. A subset. Meaning they are a small minority of the group who support PC. The vast majority are not foaming in the mouth SJWs or wokescolds. And the benefits outweigh the cons. The benefits are to put an end to systemic racism, poverty, and other social issues that affect mankind as a whole. That tiny subset who misuse PC matter little in the grand scheme of things. Yes we should try to also give a voice to those who do not feel like as though they are being spoken for, however it is also more practical and more effective in the grand scheme of things to speak out for the vast majority of people who need help. I am sorry that you were hurt, however it is unfair and unpractical to let the entire majority of a group have their futures influenced by a small minority in that same group to move things forward. I believe that the first step is to help the majority of individual marginalized groups before "polishing" those said groups by helping the small minority within them who do not feel represented. Also, concerning identitarians, the results are not the same. Identitarians use labels and categories on groups so they can make a "hit list" of enemies to demonize and eventually wipe out. Identitarians are inherently a harm to society and the world as a whole. PC is inherently not harmful despite annoying ass SJWs and wokescolds. When those idiots misuse PC, it does not create catastrophic events where massive groups of people of certain identities get sent to concentration camps or a firing squad nor does it create a wave of hate crimes sweeping the nation. Identitarianism does however. That said I agree. Wokescolds, SJWs, and cancel culture are annoying and counterproductive asf. But they are not really that much of a harm to society.
@Thomasfboyle
@Thomasfboyle 6 лет назад
The critique of anarcho-capitalism as the desire to remove regulations and social safety nets is unwarranted. Regulations and social support systems are unanimously seen as beneficial to libertarian thinkers from Molinari to Spooner to Rothbard to Molyneux to Woods, the only thing wrong with the current system is the widespread use of violence perceived as legitimate under the territorial monopoly of a non-voluntary government body. This is not an extreme position objectively, merely having the appearance of extremity due to the cultural context where it is common for people to be put into cages where there is a chance they will be uncared for if they are raped daily for the rest of their life for trading pieces of paper for pieces of plants to consenting adults. Nonaggression is not extreme morally, it is the Golden Rule of civilization.
@marlonmoncrieffe0728
@marlonmoncrieffe0728 6 лет назад
Tommy Boyle and the Party of One ...And in ENGLISH your comment means???
@aliensinnoh1
@aliensinnoh1 6 лет назад
Tommy Boyle and the Party of One long winded way of saying you don’t think governments should be allowed to tax people and have a police force. Just like how communism can never be properly implemented because the ideal communistic society can only be achieved in a perfect world where human ambition and lust for power doesn’t exist, anarcho-capitalism can never be achieved people will always find ways to take advantage of each other. It might work in theory, but its implementation in the real world would likely be just as disastrous as the failure of communism in China and the Soviet Union.
@Thomasfboyle
@Thomasfboyle 6 лет назад
Aliensinnoh Some take that view and most ancaps are of a skeptical bent anyways so nobody is advocating for anarchy or nothing in the next two years. The proper approach towards and anarcho-capitalist society is by sensibly reducing the size of government till the point where any evil might actually be necessary if such a point exists. Saying that anarcho-capitalism will never exist is a question that only exists ideally currently is fair since a complete elimination of government tomorrow might make things terrible and so from a consequentialist worldview that warrants some suspicion of principle so the proper course is balancing the strict deontology of having principles with the consequentialism of pragmatism, but to say it is an irrational goal is different.
@Thomasfboyle
@Thomasfboyle 6 лет назад
Marlon Moncrieffe "Don't hurt people, don't take their stuff" and "Keep your stuff and keep your word" are not extremist positions.
@lesbianwalrus
@lesbianwalrus 6 лет назад
What in god's name is a "non-voluntary government body"?
@viper341
@viper341 2 года назад
Imagine that, a world we people dont live in fear a facts, but face them courageously and honestly.
@benb3500
@benb3500 2 года назад
We had that, it was called the age of enlightenment or age of reason.
@qhack
@qhack 6 лет назад
Not sure about many of his statistics, but most of his conclusions are good. I will say, that the notion of doing away with government safety nets isn't an extreme notion. Depending on who's statistics you use, >50% of the nation is on some sort of government handout (including corporations.) Very few people actually need some form of assistance, the rest just have excuses. Voluntary giving to charities can easily support those who absolutely need the help. Forcing the population into mandatory altruism is just theft. Especially when you realize that the majority of the allocated tax money doesn't even go to those who need the help. Worse is the simple fact that government safety nets only promote adding more people into their programs. People need incentives to get out of social programs, not stay in them.
@SmackThePanda
@SmackThePanda 6 лет назад
sorry but there is absolutely no proof that voluntary charity would solve these problems. You need to finely tune wellfare systems so that its not just free money. The money they get from wellfare isnt good enough to justify not working in most cases
@mattstirling6317
@mattstirling6317 6 лет назад
So, we should remove all state-run social-safety-nets and allow charities to take their place? Charities are notoriously bad at using their money for their indented purpose. Allowing unregulated capitalist charities to fill the "gap in the market" would result in charities that exclusively take advantage of people who donate to them.
@RussellNelson
@RussellNelson 6 лет назад
Charities also know that some people mostly need a kick in the butt. However, if a government program was to take away someone's entitlements and kick them in the butt, there would be hell to pay.
@neutralfellow9736
@neutralfellow9736 6 лет назад
Islam also had loads of inter-religious conflict, for example the Qarmatian fanatics waged a religious war across Arabia for decades and even managed to sack the holy city of Mecca itself, slaughtering all the pilgrims there and desecrating the holy sites, including stealing the sacred Stone. That is not even touching the Banu Hilal invasion of Northern Africa or the Shia Sunni wars of the Fatimids etc.
@mr.d8925
@mr.d8925 6 лет назад
He is so wrong about Islam being more enlightened than Christianity. He said there was no equivalent to the Inquisition. The entire history of the spread of Islam was advanced through violence. The Shiites, and Sunni's have had many violent clashes, not to mention the persecution of minority Islamic sects, such as the Baha'i.
@MirceaKitsune
@MirceaKitsune 7 месяцев назад
Debates hurt people's feelings, and in today's world any attack on someone's feelings is equivalent to an act of terror.
@Bunjee77
@Bunjee77 6 лет назад
I liked this video but Pinker was wrong about social safety nets and ignores the fact that Islam was rapidly spread by the sword
@johnlocke3862
@johnlocke3862 6 лет назад
he falsely characterizes Islam as better and more enlightened because it had no inquisition, but the inquisition was a single short event, islam has had non stop genocide since the day it was founded and non stop intolerance of blasphemy since day one. the Islamic version of the inquisition is just every day in islam
@fabianpadilla5108
@fabianpadilla5108 6 лет назад
John Locke are you not aware of the Islamic Golden Age??? Do you not know why most of our algebraic terms are in Arabic? Or why most of the stars in the sky have Arabic names??? There's so many references to the Arabic language because they were once a great prosperous and diverse group of intellectuals. When Islam was ruled by various caliphates, where science and economic development and cultural works flourished!!! Educate yourself people! You are showing your ignorance bruuhhhh
@iamafrog1295
@iamafrog1295 6 лет назад
because the arabs stole that knoledge to the indians?
@louis-ferdinandfeline5078
@louis-ferdinandfeline5078 6 лет назад
fabian padilla This 'period of enlightenment' came after they were fat with the riches from conquering and butchering the nations around them by the sword. Islam is anti-science - it states that the words of Mohammed are the end of knowledge.
@fabianpadilla5108
@fabianpadilla5108 6 лет назад
Vocaloides no.......dude that bad shit came AFTER the enlightenment.......look I agree with you that Islam is fucked up....but Google this shit man!! Every time you reply I have to correct some shit you said lol and I agree with you about Islam.....
@stp479
@stp479 5 лет назад
I'd appreciate Mr Pinker addressing homicide rates of certain races within their homeland nations. I suspect they are quite similar to that found in the states.
@planetvance
@planetvance 6 лет назад
3:55 - 4:02 No one suggests they do. It's never a conflict involving an argument that we should. It is a conflict involving the accusation that discrimination is responsible for the differences. The idea that there are not naturally any differences arises logically when reasoning from the accepted fact that the accusation is true. 7:05 - 7:19 Again, the facts don't lead anyone to those conclusions! The problem is the facts can not be discussed without emotional accusations of racism etc being levied in lieu of thoughtful consideration and discussion. That is why Trump won. We got sick of not being able to have a discussion for all the virtue signaling based on forgone conclusions.
@twoonthewall
@twoonthewall 6 лет назад
5:06 the tenasity of the Irish Americans is now channeled through joining the military and police :)
@YOSUP315
@YOSUP315 6 лет назад
lol "the majority of domestic terrorism in this country is committed by right wing extremist groups not by Islamic groups" what a pathetic failure of reasoning. Per capita, Muslims in the United States are incredibly over-represented among terrorist attacks even though there's just a tiny tiny minority. You're better than this Steve.
@IntrovertedE
@IntrovertedE 6 лет назад
Xander Patten I noticed that too. I was thinking really is this bullshit argument by a supposedly brilliant professor all he has? Any freshman high schooler could easily destroy that pathetic argument.
@IntrovertedE
@IntrovertedE 6 лет назад
Xander Patten so it must be that the liberal Elite, fully knowing their facts lead to undeniable and indisputable truths, have no choice but to cover up those facts rather than let them be talked about. Because letting them be understood will lead any reasonably intelligent person to an uncomfortable truth. (Eg Islam sucks. Race realism, etc)
@redcow78
@redcow78 6 лет назад
It's not as if you care about the right wing terrorism in proportion to the per capita rate, it doesn't fit your narrative. Terrorism itself is extremely low on the list of problems if you care about per capita statistics, outside of the scare and frenzy it's an irrelevant number of lives compared to other sources of death, but most people don't view the world in statistics, they see the symbolic invader coming to rape and pillage and that's the perfect narrative, which is why so many of you are obsessed.
@ticallionstall
@ticallionstall 6 лет назад
There's no reasoning going on, he just stated a fact.
@YOSUP315
@YOSUP315 6 лет назад
Ticallion, he stated that fact as if it's relevant to and somehow in conflict with the idea Muslims do more domestic terrorism per capita; and that's both invalid and factually incorrect.
@sophiacristina
@sophiacristina 5 лет назад
Finally i found a balanced channel! Subscribed!
@sethapex9670
@sethapex9670 6 лет назад
the fact that capitalist countries tend to have a social saftey net doesn't mean that that social saftey net has to be coercively provided by a centralized government. It could instead be voluntarily provided by private charities, which are generally more efficient with their funding becasue they know they can't just get more if they say they need it.
@joshmadrid5253
@joshmadrid5253 6 лет назад
private charities are for-profit, centralized government depending on how it's regulated, is not for profit.
@sethapex9670
@sethapex9670 6 лет назад
Private chairites are not necessarily for profit. There are plenty non-profit private chairities, like churches. And it's up to the donor to determine which ones he want's to give to. You don't get that choice with the government. they take your money and you don't get to decide what they do with it. Even in a democracy it's just you electing one person who ends up deciding for you. Only 30% of the money the government spends on poverty ends up going to the people who need it. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-YsRH3xHJi1M.html
@acendiatmedia8747
@acendiatmedia8747 6 лет назад
It's just a natural side affect of being successful the more you have to spare the more you will want to help others. That's why the upper middle class is so into "democratic socialism" which is really just successful capitalism.
@Grimenoughtomaketherobotcry
@Grimenoughtomaketherobotcry 6 лет назад
Acendiat Media Gee, and here I was thinking that they do it for the tax deduction and the political and institutional power, prestige and influence that comes from being a major donor... Thanks for opening my eyes!
@stephanesurprenant60
@stephanesurprenant60 6 лет назад
1. It is hard to tell exactly what would happen without those policies. Or even with only some of them. I would be awefully surprised if the world complied politely with a libertarian narrative. 2. You take for GRANTED that the private initiative would be more efficient. Did you know we actually have statistical tools to measure technical efficiency? Here is a shocking fact: state funded hospitals in Quebec are about 27% more efficient than private hospitals in California. The main reason is that the private hospitals seem to compete over availability, hence they always have a lot of empty rooms -- and that is wasteful in the economic sense. 3. Nothing is preventing you or anyone from trying to build private organizations to make your case through examples. However, as an economist, I feel compelled to warn you that markets do not always work correctly, just as governments. 4. And it is true that the comparison he makes doesn't exclude the possibility of prefering fewer government programs. He merely pointed out that the observed difference was a bad proxy for the libertarian heaven advocated on the far right.
@mh4zd
@mh4zd 6 лет назад
Steven.....ugh. C'mon, I love you bro. Did you have to be so cautious that you went and bit it so hard on Islam? No equivalent to the Inquisition? No religious warfare? Drilling down on these claims is going to get you distinctions, without any qualitative, substantive differences - none relevant to the concern of religious violence, neither in kind, nor in quantity. Dude, you were my favorite. STOP the cowardess. Speak the truth and let the chips fall where they will.
@williestarke
@williestarke 6 лет назад
They didn't seem to mention the constant Anti-White bigotry and Anti-White Racism Whites are increasingly being subjected to. They may have helped LOL.
@gorecassady1632
@gorecassady1632 5 лет назад
You can’t be racist towards whites, my friend. Reverse racism isn’t a thing.
@eggory
@eggory 6 лет назад
Pinker is eminently thoughtful and rational, and chooses his words very well. Navigating controversy the way he does, and bringing this kind of reason to very emotionally incendiary subjects, is not trivially easy. It's a skill which all academics should seek to master. I disagree with his assessment of pure vs. mixed capitalism, but I have to commend him anyway just for speaking so well, which is incredibly valuable even if it only means that other people I disagree with have an example of what virtue in debate looks like.
@zoranlevnajic2089
@zoranlevnajic2089 2 года назад
I'm shocked that this needs to be explained. I always thought it was clear to everyone with a high school diploma, let alone to students on prestigious American universities
@marksherrill9337
@marksherrill9337 Год назад
Correct.
@revpgesqredux
@revpgesqredux 5 лет назад
his opening statement is to say: brilliant sheep get sheared and slaughtered. Even moderately aware shepherds can manage to live productive lives and stave off most wolves. Note how many of his resolutions end up somewhere in the middle... often toward the end of the spectrum that would be considered in the old days "liberal". a good bit of economic regulation, of egalitarianism asserted as to the sexes, etc. There used to be some of this synthesized evolved nuanced thinking within, believe it or not, the Democratic Party. But Political Correctness was not the first thing to ruin that liberalism. The first thing was selfishness at the top. The destruction of Operation Breadbasket rather than allowing control of it to leave the Democratic plantation, for example, and every like power play since..... every collusion with the worst of the Repubs to create maximum minimum sentences (based on an exaggeratedly racist interpretation of those crime statistics he describes) or Workfare- which resulted essentially in slavery to the government: a subsistence living of having to do everything the government says to justify your getting the subsistence living and no time left over to ever hope to get off it, only without the title. Who is the worst offender of this cynical either/or Party-First evil?? gotta be Billy Boy Clinton and his clowns, including his wife, a direct descendent of that Chicagoland Dem Party criminal conspiracy that with Congressman Pucinski stole and destroyed the hope of an independent economic freedom that MLK was developing for black and underprivileged Americans. From murdering Ricky Ray Rector to save his campaign onward, Clintons should have caused every one to #DemExit. They did me. Political Correctness/ Intersectionality and more fundamentally the ludicrous self-contradictory "post-modernism" are just various retreats necessary from the stubborn refusal of the Left to serve anyone but its own elite first. The whole #spygate debacle shows us that the retreat has become a most desperate rout. To think the heroes of my Youth who denounced Watergate would come back to defend a Watergate-a-day perpetrated by faked-FISA warrants based on the dirty lies provided by Hillary's Hirelings?? So i misunderstood Bernstein and Woodward. They weren't upset the corruption had threatened our Republic at all? they were just upset that it hurt their side? Do i need to go back to 3rd grade and switch my support away from McGovern now? I wasn't sure about the big ideas back then. I just knew that a political cheater shouldn't be president. Turns out Obama was one, and Hillary if she wasnt better at losing than lying would have been one too. smh. Listen to the man. Stop the unthinking attacks. You who are socially liberal will end up being ruled either by crazy right-wingers or more likely at this point Mohammedanist fundamentalists. Sheep stop feeding the wolves and realize you, individually, are sub-shepherds.
@denisoko8494
@denisoko8494 6 лет назад
A lot of nowadays people reject reality if it does not comply to their wishes and thoughts... Several centuries ago the reality would literally kill such people, due to civilisation and evolution the reality reaction is slower now, much slower, anyway it works as always
@scvnthorpe__
@scvnthorpe__ 6 лет назад
Pinker is in many ways erudite, posing an interest in areas from cognitive science to linguistics to behavioural genetics to sexual selection. He is in many ways a merchant of 'what', and has much to say about what is. His 'why', of course, leaves much to be questioned. One doesn't *need* to know about group averages or such to be opposed to their abuse, and much of what was said with regards to right wing terrorism being more prevalent in the US - and even with regards to other white groups in the past - is an active part of progressive leftist discourse as is. It's *known* that these facts exist, but there are simply alternative accounts proposed which add more nuance. Perceived censorship of the notions altogether rightfully causes alarm but, we've of yet mostly anecdote to go by. Which begs the question of their salience as well as in turn what the MSM has to say as vectors of this. I also feel as if the continued notion that discussions of brain sex or the prevalence of Islamic terror simply aren't widespread enough let alone this being why the AR is so prevalent (rather than other stressors) is heavily misguided and almost laughable to one who noticed no such popularity of this extremism as tabloid publications had been sensationalising such items ad nauseam up until the AR finally hit their zenith: both notions have rung heavily in American culture and beyond to this very day, or at least these are major cultural contentions beyond what sway campuses pose for the population at large. I also have to seriously doubt that many college campuses actively endorse or normalise communism, even if perhaps not posing a layman's conception of the political theory and historical context at play. I wouldn't even say the mainstream as a whole normalises social democracy let alone anything further left, given the initial hysteria with which Bernie Sanders was covered. Rather it's the sheer and stubborn lack of any Keynesian aspects to 'economics 101' in the public eye that feeds a subculture of ancaps, rather than merely 'not liking communism'. This isn't even a linchpin of the AR's economics, but a side effect of the long standing economic illiteracy of the general public particularly with generations of neoliberal propaganda that blamed government regulations for literally everything. Many are in fact protectionist. While it is true that many ancaps/libertarians hold racist beliefs this is both not universal and also dates back to the likes of Rothbard and Hoppe. Mises iirc was pro-feminist, but also operationalised his ideas under the short lived austrofascist regime.It isn't that people are only recieving these notions from a point of first contact per se as racial animus with regards to crime and welfare were implicit back in the days of Raegan and so are hardly esoteric. The alt right comes as a more overt operationalisation of some of these notions with other factors hitting critical mass. This goes *far* beyond 'universities', which many AR folk haven't attended to begin with.One of the first uses of the term 'alternative right' dates, in fact, to Paul Gottfried's seminal invocation of the term in 2008: an economy in the balance, a populace experiencing fear and existential dread. In the wake of recession neoliberal economic thought faced a major shock and thus by proxy the political mainstream, and this was only to further mature with the passage of time: even now, economic outcomes continue to diverge with the wealthiest and the poorest in the United states for instance. It's material imbalances and shocks etc, rather than there being not enough discussion about 'Islamic terrorism' or 'communism being the biggest bad ever' (again, both notions fairly banal), which define the rise of such a movement in my view. Either of these two notions are honestly banal given the saturation of commentators offering this perspective, but few pose the same enthusiasm as the particular cohort of insecure young men who devote much attention to this line of enquiry. TL;DR: Many notions really are ultimately banal (correctly identified as such to some extent), but other factors drive the 'redpill/alt-right' movement.
@markflierl1624
@markflierl1624 4 года назад
0:25 I'm shocked to hear him admit that the alt-right is highly intelligent.
@rollling7523
@rollling7523 4 года назад
send him to the quillotine
@importantname
@importantname 6 лет назад
some times it is just easier to believe what you want to hear.
@BobWidlefish
@BobWidlefish 6 лет назад
If you haven’t studied Mises and Rothbard you don’t understand capitalism. That includes you, Dr. Pinker (who I like very much - a kind eloquent genius)!
@Ingentiy
@Ingentiy 6 лет назад
I guess that's why he made the naive statement "that's why they don't license anarcho-capitalism"...he really doesn't get it.
@Hirnlego999
@Hirnlego999 6 лет назад
Miserably marketing, quite stupid to even try to implement.
@BobWidlefish
@BobWidlefish 6 лет назад
The Bandog some economists definitely have. One thing they makes me think many economists haven’t read them is that they say they haven’t. :) Scott Sumner hasn’t even read Hayek. Russ Roberts has read Hayek but not Rothbard or Mises. Paul Krugman hasn’t read relevant material either. And so on, and so on. Some definitely have. But if you haven’t read and comprehended Rothbard et al and can at least argue against it, you don’t understand really capitalism in my opinion. Cheers!
@k14pc
@k14pc 6 лет назад
Go Pinker! This is needed. Have seen so much of exactly what you're talking about in the Alt-right.
@7duke77
@7duke77 6 лет назад
I appreciate the intent here but there is so much misinformation that it falls apart factually (at least I hope it's misinformation and not disinformation...).
@jasonhaze5349
@jasonhaze5349 6 лет назад
He doesn't have an answer.
@7duke77
@7duke77 6 лет назад
@ Evan Pellegrini - Watching it again, I may have misspoke when I said "so much," however, I believe some of what he said about sexism, Islam and the claim that most domestic terrorism is committed by right wing extremist groups are at the very least misleading if not just plain wrong. @ Captain Stack - Sorry I wasn't able to respond fast enough for you.
@javidzcool
@javidzcool 6 лет назад
this is exactly how I feel! It's great to hear someone share my exact views :)
@douglasphillips5870
@douglasphillips5870 6 лет назад
With statistical information context is very important. For example with regard to domestic terrorism he was talking in terms of total number of attacks. If we look post 9/11, from 9/12/01 to 12/31/16 there were 62 from right wing extremists and 23 from Islamic extremists. However the right wing extremists killed less people with 106 people compared to the 119 from Islamist attacks. But these numbers also shift over time. Not to mention there are over a hundred million conservatives in the country compared to only about three million Muslims. So you are probably not in much danger from a guy wearing a "Make America Great Again" hat. Based on a 8/19/17 article by Miriam Valverde in Politifact.
@guittadabe5214
@guittadabe5214 5 лет назад
2:26 - you can't say it. Somebody very famous on this campus did say it and you know what happened to him! You hear laughter and applause for one of the many dark events that is destroying Harvard's reputation for a classic liberal education. The fact that the President of Harvard couldn't say that men and women are different, and LOST HIS JOB OVER IT, is a huge condemnation about the lack of freedom of speech and inquiry on the Harvard campus, and extreme brainwashing of its students. So what do the students do? They laugh and clap! So now I know for sure that Harvard graduates still suck, and it's a good reason that I would not consider any resume from Harvard.
@Lolatyou332
@Lolatyou332 6 лет назад
Good persuasive argument. I feel like the context thing was kind of off. To assume that everyone in the "group" is just unable to properly decide context is a scary way to think. I agree it is probably caused because of media and this new wave of overly political correctness. I believe that right most groups are overly logical, and left most groups are overly emotional and are unable to compromise with each other because their brains work in different ways.
@383mazda
@383mazda 2 года назад
Like Rush always said, conservatives teach that liberals are good people with bad ideas, but liberals teach that conservatives are bad people. Only one of those conclusions leads to further dialog and progression...
@dr.corneliusq.cadbury6984
@dr.corneliusq.cadbury6984 5 лет назад
He says you don’t necessarily drift toward right wing politics after learning the facts. But many do, perhaps even a majority. Hence the desire to tell “noble lies.”
@dr.corneliusq.cadbury6984
@dr.corneliusq.cadbury6984 5 лет назад
The leftists are probably right. Their best strategy is to keep lying.
@shadyparadox
@shadyparadox 6 лет назад
He should read some Michael Huemer or David Friedman before commenting on anarcho-capitalism.
@ObjectiveZoomer
@ObjectiveZoomer 6 лет назад
shadyparadox yup
@ObjectiveZoomer
@ObjectiveZoomer 6 лет назад
shadyparadox he compares it to racism and sexism, so he clearly has no idea what it is.
@hithere7433
@hithere7433 6 лет назад
Or Rothbard or Mises or Hoppe etc. etc. In pinkers defense when he says "regulation" he might not distinguish between regulation by force and voluntary regulation. So he has a reasonable way forward by accepting voluntary governance/regulation as permissible and rejecting state governance/regulation.
@shadyparadox
@shadyparadox 6 лет назад
Hi There I like those guys too, I just find Huemer and Friedman to be the most rigorous in their logic.
@ogsnoop2126
@ogsnoop2126 6 лет назад
>falling for the anarcho-capitalism meme
@carolpryle2990
@carolpryle2990 4 года назад
That was fantastic. I only wish the conclusion was longer and went into more detail about how the left and right just argue and how to find those points of agreement via the historical/statistical/etc facts. It was cool how it pretty much was saying left and right are both right but they're using the wrong replies to the wrong accusations.
@jovangaltic
@jovangaltic 6 лет назад
"Through much of it's history Islam was far more enlightened than Christendom" Lost me there... Completely ignorant and ridiculous statement. As well as lumping anarcho-capitalism in with racism, sexism etc. Laughable.
@Hirnlego999
@Hirnlego999 6 лет назад
It was. As also Neil degresse Tyson has pointed out. They were not anti-intellectuals for a long time whilst Europe was in the dark ages. It changed with Islam because one religious leader decided that numbers are the work of the devil. As Tyson points out, Islam has not recovered from that since.
@jovangaltic
@jovangaltic 6 лет назад
No.
@chinmaiification
@chinmaiification 6 месяцев назад
This video should be compulsory taught in schools.
@skylarscaling
@skylarscaling 6 лет назад
The most successful economy in the history of the world was early 1800s America, when regulations were at their lowest. It's become WORSE as more regulation has been added, and significantly more so once central banking was introduced.
@valerielute9183
@valerielute9183 6 лет назад
And it bred political extremism. The conditions for ordinary workers during the industrial revolution were truly horrific. This is why people started becoming Communists and Anarchists, why they started assassinating political leaders and businessmen. 19th Century capitalism is not a viable model for a stable society.
@skylarscaling
@skylarscaling 6 лет назад
That's an untrue characterization of industrialization that is perpetuated by government schools that have a vested interest in making you believe that without government, you would be abused by employers. That's simply impossible when workers have the freedom to choose which jobs to work without government regulation forcing good employers out of the market. Not to mention that the public school system was specifically designed to pump out factory workers, not free thinkers.
@shaunpatrick8345
@shaunpatrick8345 6 лет назад
V.Lute you describe a period where the country was transitioning from poor to rich. During that time the conditions were better than when it was poor and worse than when it was rich. This is a viable model for a society, but it was a period of change so by definition it wasn't stable.
@ivanlagrossemoule
@ivanlagrossemoule 6 лет назад
skylarscaling Except that's just not true. Working conditions in the USA are already bad compared to more regulated countries. Some countries have 35-36 hours weeks, 6-8 weeks mandatory holidays, minimum wages for everyone and STILL run effectively. In the USA you get fucked by employers in all sorts of ways, unless you want to argue that people can just all abandon their jobs at Wallmart and go find something else, because it's pretty clear they would if they could. And yeah, public education doesn't want free thinkers if you consider that it's just people who'll believe anything as long as it's posted on a random crackpot website and isn't the official version.
@skylarscaling
@skylarscaling 6 лет назад
Yeah, the poor working conditions here are why people are falling over each other to come here, and the "better conditions" are working really well for Europe, with its cascade of failing and bankrupt countries. America has more entrepreneurship than any other country that I'm aware of, and millions of people don't work a 40 hour job and still make a nice living. And most of the rest of the people feeling stuck in jobs are in that position because they have obligations to pay off the debt they've accrued living a life of $600 phones, big screen TVs, Netflix, and a million other luxuries that other countries would kill to have access to. America is still the greatest country in the world, but with the out of control government spending and debt, it's still going to suffer. Regulation and big government is the CAUSE of that, NOT the solution.
@estevezcollins
@estevezcollins 5 лет назад
He makes sense. Why is it so hard for people to open their minds, too many opinions, the cup is full.
@hardchemist
@hardchemist 6 лет назад
He discusses domestic "right wing terrorism" as being the most prevalent form of terrorism here but the most egregious cases (Las Vegas, Orlando, etc.) were committed by progressives. But otherwise great presentation.
@indigo714
@indigo714 6 лет назад
The Orlando shooter was a Muslim fundamentalist and hated gay people. The Las Vegas shooter's politics were unknown so I don't how you know he was a progressive if his own brother didn't know. I don't know which political wing contributes the most to violence, but the examples you are using aren't true.
@devinngeorge
@devinngeorge 6 лет назад
the disappointed koala furthermore the Vegas shooter profile for terrorism is so far from and not even know to be even declared such.
@Stonegoal
@Stonegoal 6 лет назад
+Todd Brown More and more people are accepting Muslims jihad is to help for a theocracy. The Islam religion is political in nature, so it sounds left to me.
@Xanthippaa
@Xanthippaa 6 лет назад
That is indeed how people like the Southern Poverty Law Center classify it.
@hardchemist
@hardchemist 6 лет назад
+DarthRaider520 Yeah, forgot all about Antifa...but Pulse shooter was definitely a Dem (dailycaller.com/2016/06/14/omar-mateen-was-a-registered-democrat-but/), plus Pulse shooter's father was a Dem btw (www.wptv.com/news/state/orlando-shooters-father-attends-hillary-clinton-rally-in-kissimmee). And [correction] ultimately I agree with much of what +pinochet pilot #666 concludes, so the political beliefs of Paddock are likely irrelevant. But there are other lists of lefties besides Antifa that are rabidly antisocial, including Nidal Hasan - Ft Hood Shooter: Reg­istered Democrat and Muslim; Aaron Alexis, Navy Yard shooter - black liberal/Obama voter; Seung-Hui Cho - Virginia Tech shooter: Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff, registered Democrat. James Holmes - the “Dark Knight”/Colorado shooter: Registered Democrat, staff worker on the Obama campaign, #Occu­py guy, progressive liberal, hated Christians; James Hodgkinson - Shot and hit multiple Republicans, including Steve Scalise: Registered Democrat and worked on Bernie Sanders campaign....etc. It just would have been nice for the good speaker in the video today to have listed what kind of far right terrorism he is referring to here in the US that amounts to more than the list provided in this comment reply.
@DrumApe
@DrumApe 5 лет назад
If everyone thinks the same, someone is not thinking.
@sethapex9670
@sethapex9670 6 лет назад
If men and women are on average different, pinker is right that it doesn't mean you should discriminate, however it does mean that you shouldn't be prevented from discriminating if you see fit.
@joshmadrid5253
@joshmadrid5253 6 лет назад
"you shouldn't be prevented from discriminating if you see fit." you should because " men and women are on average different" on average but not all.
@sethapex9670
@sethapex9670 6 лет назад
Except we can only make rules for the average case, not the exceptional. So if you're not allowed to discriminate for the exceptional, you won't be allowed to discriminate for the average.
@BitesizeEcon
@BitesizeEcon 6 лет назад
for example hooters only hires female waitresses, an italian restaurant might prefer to only hire italian staff. Both types of discrimination don't imply sexism or racism. Another example is that Disney will discriminate against men and against non-asians for the job of playing Mulan at their parks.
@sethapex9670
@sethapex9670 6 лет назад
exactly. But I'm saying they should be allowed to do it even if it is racist and sexist. we should not be trying to legislate morality. If nobody is being directly harmed, it shouldn't be illegal. If you don't like it, you can boycott businesses that do it and even encourage others to do so but you don't just get to shut them down.
@BitesizeEcon
@BitesizeEcon 6 лет назад
I agree and I think most people agree with a lot of reasons for discrimination, like the Mulan example, heck people would get offended and talk about whitewashing if Disney hired a white girl and gave her chinese looking makeup hahaha! The problem is that people only think of segregation when they hear about allowing discrimination. Walter Williams gave a funny example in an interview. He talked about how much we discriminate when we look for a spouse. Most people have a really narrow list of criteria, and discriminate against a gender and several ethnicities.
@Inspector-Chisholm
@Inspector-Chisholm 5 лет назад
I would say that this points to total failure of our education system to promote critical thinking in our students and the failure of our media outlets to broadcast honest and open debate.
@josephvictory9536
@josephvictory9536 6 лет назад
I disagree with some of pinkers conclusions. However, his analysis of process and political response and reality is as usual excellent. To be specific: When he talks about the act of 'suppression' and 'encounter with the facts' and the responses you have towards it, he is exactly right to the psychology and from that the movement and motivation of the alt right. It also explains why free speech-- a traditionally liberal position is now a conservative issue. His judgments are somewhat dishonest because media is almost uniformly liberal to left leaning as well as the academics that produce them, and since PC culture in the 80's there has been a growing journalist movement vying for control over social narratives rather than accurate news reporting. Also journalists tend to be cloistered and there is quite a bit of group psychology research that should warn us of the ills of this. Whether it is intentional or unintentional, news media is being filtered and people should be upset. The alt right are fueled by a search for the truth, even if they unfortunately hold many conflicting and often terrible views. This pits them against the liberal media which is clearly veering left. They are not actually 'right wing' any more than they are 'reactionary right wing' and are flocking to conservative media because conservatives just aren't intolerant to different ideas and their ideas are fairly rational. The moment i realized how much fake news exists in mainstream media was when i saw that CNN put a literal anti-trump socialist on the panel of people that were interviewed as former trump fans. It felt like i had my 'wrestlemania' moment. Right now the so called Russia investigation started because of a dossier that was produced by collusion between the FBI and the Clinton which is overwhelmingly a crisis of democracy. Yet next to no media outlet is discussing it. Instead the very person responsible who was later demoted, suspended and finally fired for bias Peter Strozk has a go-fund me going for his defense. I dont mind the reporting on mueller, that is serious news. But you cant be serious, ignoring the obvious madness that was the DNC collusion and the clearly evidenced politicizing of the FBI? Its not right. Its not good journalism. Its the media imagining itself as a 5th arm of government and self organizing itself this way.
@okieboy7065
@okieboy7065 5 лет назад
OMG an actual truth seeker!!! It won’t be long before someone destroys him I’m sure
@justaguy328
@justaguy328 3 года назад
My first red pill was being called a white supremacist for saying maybe all conservatives aren't simply islamophobic, homophobic, racist, sexist, bigots who hate poor people. Mind you, I am Native American, born and raised on the reservation until I was 18 years old. I realized that progressivism isn't anything but
@willnill7946
@willnill7946 6 лет назад
The alt right does possess the truth
@Hirnlego999
@Hirnlego999 6 лет назад
Since when? The alt right is more prone to read actual fake news for instance.
@willnill7946
@willnill7946 6 лет назад
Hirnlego999 ok, whatever
@usartguy4988
@usartguy4988 5 лет назад
Well this guy is half right on what he's saying. An example of where he's blatantly wrong is "there was no equivalent to the wars of religion" regrading Islam. The fact is war is precisely how Islam spread. The Crusades were a response to it. Pinker needs to take the red pill and not just acknowledge it exists.
@ferulebezel
@ferulebezel 6 лет назад
Not the most honest piece I've seen. He uses PC Jargon, "African American" and "European American". He ignores the fact that the statistical differences in interest and ability drive the differences in careers and not discrimination. That's why the progressives deny them.
@nustada
@nustada 6 лет назад
Considering most American blacks have never been to Africa yet alone claim citizenship there, makes that term intrinsically dishonest. Are there some African Americans, sure, not all of them are black though.
@jimlovesgina
@jimlovesgina 6 лет назад
I think the point is that there is significant overlap in the statistics that you can't come to conclusions about the individual.
@rwatertree
@rwatertree 6 лет назад
"Americans of African descent" and "Americans of European descent" are too much of a mouthful.
@fredkeebox829
@fredkeebox829 6 лет назад
+nustada: > using African American: well nothing else is allowed, all other words have become tainted. 'Negro' sounds dated and too much like that other word.
@Coromi1
@Coromi1 6 лет назад
You complain about his wording even though it's standard - in society, not just science - and you perfectly understand what he means? That's the method of social justice warriors. What was he supposed to say? Blacks and Whites? What benefit would that bring to you?
@overtheworl
@overtheworl 6 лет назад
The first example in fact _is_ controversial because he has not defined the term "communist" prior to using it. I am from Germany, and I can assure you that the DDR was _not_ a _communist_ society. It barely even was a socialist one, rather an well-covered oligarchy. The nomenklatura (oligarchs) weren't millionaires but had all the available luxury and political power.
@wibblywobbly1234
@wibblywobbly1234 6 лет назад
Pinker forgets to mention race and IQ. I wonder why?
@thomasj.420
@thomasj.420 6 лет назад
Like how people of Asian descent have higher IQ on average than people of European descent?
@Sebastian-hg3xc
@Sebastian-hg3xc 6 лет назад
@Slaws Mcslaws Yes, for example.
@dannysnee4945
@dannysnee4945 6 лет назад
ChrissyG Talking about controversial facts doesn't mean he has to mention all of them
@avisnubia
@avisnubia 6 лет назад
Race and IQ...?
@avisnubia
@avisnubia 6 лет назад
Not necessarily true. The Asian community places a different value on those subjects that are tested to prove a higher IQ. Meaning the Asian communities ideologies and practices (PRACTICES meaning, they do it more than other people and grow in their aptitude of that skill), are what the European community as come up with to test to "prove" people have a higher IQ. If the IQ test included rhythm perhaps people of African descent would score higher? My point is smart is relative to what you value as smart, what one is well versed in re: practiced a lot, and ultimately what you test for.
@logosofgame4273
@logosofgame4273 5 лет назад
I agree with a lot he is saying, but the bit about Islam being more enlightened for most of its history and having no internal wars of religion is inaccurate. There has been an almost continuous state of violence between Shia and Sunni Muslims since shortly after Muhammed's death.
@johnsmith1474
@johnsmith1474 5 лет назад
Does not come near the violence of the 30 Years War in Europe, fought over the primacy of Catholicism.
@kowalityjesus
@kowalityjesus 6 лет назад
babby's first red pills
@TheFrygar
@TheFrygar 6 лет назад
"red pill" = "I think I'm smart because Jordan Peterson looked at me through my monitor"
@johnfreitas8516
@johnfreitas8516 4 года назад
Wait, extreme right makes the most violent but what may red pill me is seeing someone saying these things beaten and shouted down. Got it.
@mikevcampbell
@mikevcampbell 6 лет назад
Pinker shows his limited understanding of economics when he criticizes anarcho-capitalistism. Lumping an-caps with racists, sexists, and other extremists. What is extreme about respecting property rights and condemning theft and violence?
@modulus8533
@modulus8533 6 лет назад
Yep it seems lately even Common Law is a tool of oppressors. "What do ya mean, 'do no harm'??"
@jkdxtrm1
@jkdxtrm1 5 лет назад
Wait... did he say at 5:40 that there is no history of wars of religion within the classical history of Islam? Which part is the classical part?
@vikidprinciples
@vikidprinciples 6 лет назад
Pinker speaks well but is ideologically blinded. I have consistently seen this on his Twitter profile. He has also wrongly presented several facts in this presentation.
@stefandiercks2901
@stefandiercks2901 6 лет назад
Yet You dont enlighten the Rest of us with the right facts?
@liderutkowski3069
@liderutkowski3069 6 лет назад
Stefan Diercks well, [off the top of my head] you could start with - "no wars in the history of islam" my answer to that would be= what is India? (not limited to the present day India) read up material on islamic imperialism in India, even the Sufis were barbarians - "the rw terrorism > islamic terrorism" this myth has been debunked. for starters, it doesn't consider islamic terrorism (religious fundamentalism) as rw. calls Orlando Shooting a rw incident. conveniently ignores 9/11. -
@sierrabravo7368
@sierrabravo7368 6 лет назад
I am going to have to listen to it again
@sierrabravo7368
@sierrabravo7368 6 лет назад
No religeous wars in Islam? In what parralell universe is this true?
@hautedaug
@hautedaug 6 лет назад
No kidding, the guy is a full on Islamic apologist. By his own argument he is fomenting the rise of the alt-right (the Richard Spencer alt-right).
@ElGrandeIngenio
@ElGrandeIngenio 6 лет назад
especially the things about men/woman sound a lot like the google memo, where the google employee got fired for racism/sexism.... makes you think
@ObjectiveZoomer
@ObjectiveZoomer 6 лет назад
I don't think that this guy understands what anarcho capitalism is.
@BearZap34
@BearZap34 6 лет назад
There is only one KEK and Pepe is his prophet Muh ancap You sound like a socialist
@ObjectiveZoomer
@ObjectiveZoomer 6 лет назад
BearZap34 how?
@albertbrennaman5605
@albertbrennaman5605 6 лет назад
but you obviously do, as such he needs to be educated as he is not following [insert your particular topic here]
@ArchYeomans
@ArchYeomans 6 лет назад
He should join National Action Socialists.
@chrisofnottingham
@chrisofnottingham 6 лет назад
Yeah, these Harvard Professors. All he has done is got a PhD, read books, conducted studies, written academic papers, written multiple acclaimed books on a range of topics, whereas you have got a RU-vid account.
@stephenmcinerney9457
@stephenmcinerney9457 Год назад
At 6:01, Pinker states a dubious unsourced claim as an "uncontroversial truth": "some of the countries with the strongest social safety nets are also the countries that are most market-friendly, that have the greatest degree of economic freedom" it's very vaguely-stated and appears to be partially false. But it was so incoherently stated (with no examples or source) that it was hard to find examples/counterexamples. The 2022 Index of Economic Freedom (based on Heritage + WSJ) ranks Hong Kong as #1 for economic freedom, which pretty much rebuts Pinker's claim. At best Pinker's claim reduces to "some countries/regions with economic freedom have safety nets, some don't". But then again, some dictatorships have safety nets, some don't. Pinker seems to be implying a correlation or association without making the claim.
@ThoughtStimulator
@ThoughtStimulator 6 лет назад
We should all be anarchocapitalists. :D
@rwatertree
@rwatertree 6 лет назад
But we should live in a minarchist society.
@FreddyBarbarossa
@FreddyBarbarossa 6 лет назад
No government->People give their money to local warlord for protection from other warlords->One warlord and underlings emerge victorious->Underlings put restraints on warlord->Peace allows people to demand a say in how society is run->We now have government again.
@AlexReynard
@AlexReynard 6 лет назад
Why?
@AlexReynard
@AlexReynard 6 лет назад
Seems like the problem is, everyone likes to feel smart. Problem is, being correct is an ongoing process; you can't just stop and say you're done. You always have to be an open skeptic. You always have to watch out for slippery slopes and jumping to conclusions. You always have to face ugly facts in order to change them. And you ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS have to keep in mind that you are still wrong or ignorant about plenty of things.
@notme5744
@notme5744 Год назад
Couldn't agree more
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