For those of you criticizing the great Poncho Sanchez, you need to realize that not everyone plays with identical techniques. Especially those who are self-taught like he is. This is jazz music, not the Boston Symphony! So what if he doesn't do it the way you were taught! Poncho Sanchez is one of the greatest congueros ever.
Thank you to all who acknowledged the origins. I play finger-style bodhran, a traditional Irish frame drum. I'm trying to incorporate elements of African/Arab/Indian/Latin percussion technique into my playing to expand my palette. I'll take everything of value from this video and keep on stepping without leveling criticism at the player. Thanks for sharing Gordanius!
Great! The fundamentals and traditional rhythms are SOOO important - even for those of us who play congas in funk/R&B/pop. I've created a "video response" to show a way to apply the traditions.
Latin is a name used to refer to all people of Latin origin including the Spanish, Italians, French and Portuguese. So people of the Americas with the same background are also called Latin or Latinos.
Being famous doesn't make you good, and being good does not make you a good teacher! I'm a fan of Poncho but at the same time his music is more bluesy than most congueros and his band's arrangements often fall short of truly inspiring. But it's crazy to say "that's old technique therefore don't learn it" it's all good, learn it all, then make it your own!
There are times that a conga player can get carried out by the music and not even feel the pain in the hands. I am a percussionist myself there have been times when my fingers got pretty banged up and even cut.
Also, there are several if not many different feels for Tumbao which are all correct in their context and with the consideration of the other section players' styles as well. Consistency and unity of the rhythm section players very important. The style Poncho plays here is somewhat "swung" and he uses the very heel of his left hand. Most will play with the palm more involved which is also a more ergonomic movement...
When I shook Ricardo Abreau's (Papin of Los Papines) hand in Habana in 1980 I was amazed to find them soft as a baby's * I ask him "¿porque, 'tan suave? and he replied simply "¡Técnica!". He produces some of the crispest and loudest quinto sounds on the planet. Find the most efficient way of making your sounds by taking each sound individually when you practice or learn tone production. Take your time and you'll find the crisp, pop, slap, tapaó,open-tones, solid palm or heal and bass tones.
Wow!!!! I feel like I owe you some money just for watching this. Excellent! I've been looking at a lot of videos on drumming this is the BEST. How did you get the clave sound at the end? I'll have to watch again. You're an excellent teacher
Some people talk shit just for the sake of talking. Poncho might not be Pedrito Martinez or Anga or Gio. But he is a solid player with a nice groove. Poncho was the conguero for Cal Tjader and Cal had played with the best. Ache pa' Poncho!
pues la verdad mis respetos para tiburonext es un pecusionista muy bueno y si tiene razon el poncho ya esta en el olvido a demas su tecnica esta muy viejona y se enreda los dedos como tacos de machitos jajaja.sigan con su maestro poncho chancez
no es la tecnica que cuenta si no el sonido que se ase en el tambor,ese es su forma de aser ese sonido y todo los percusionistas tienen diferente estilo
His technique comes from the pioneers of Latin Jazz, this is not a case of old lion versus new lion. Show some respect for the keeper of the flame. Besides who are you to make such a comment?
Mongo did have technique that ripped up his hands. That probably was his choice but an equally great player, Richard Abreau of Los Papines (Cuba) considered one of the greatest and most powerful players of all time has baby soft hands (I know because I shook his hand in '80) and says it's all from "Technique".
mmm.. en mi opinion suenan mejor los beta.. el sm57 es muy bueno tambien. pero yo lo prefiero ya sea para tarolas, o amplis de guitarra. para eso es perfecto!! pero tambien sonaran muy bien y son las economicos! saludos
I don't mean any disrespect derbeno, I'm just stating the facts. I don't even know if my initial response comment was for you, I was responding to someone who stated Poncho's sound was old and the new artists are on top and how we all must evolve. Apologizes if it got shot to you.
check out lot's of pro conga players on martincongahead's channel (he's the head of LP percussion) and you'll be able to compare technique. Now we can see many examples rather than basing our concept on just one drummer.
can some one tell me what tone is a quinto tuned to?? mr sanchez explained what tone each of what he has... but i have a quinto i would love to tune properly.. thanks guys!
puyambia is right about the band aids - certainly about scaring beginners. Modern micing and amplification is a long way from what Mongo Santamaria had to deal with. I like poncho and he has a place in my heart but his technique is old school and his arrangements too bluesy for my taste these days. Take any poncho track and compare with versions by pure afrolatin percussionists or fania artists. They swing a different way. BTW Poncho didn't post this, it's ripped from a commercial DvD
You are missing the point. I am not flaming. Good sound yes, great licks etc yes. Good technique, no-(but it does not matter he sounds great) Good teacher - No. Are you an expert Conguero? Who have you studied with?
The percussion in "Latin" music is of African descent. The style of singing in decimas is of Spanish descent as are some of the stringed instruments. Other influences are the French Contradance and Jazz. The whole concept was put together in Spanish speaking countries (Latinos) mostly Cuba and Puerto Rico. That is why it is called Latin music.
no entiendo el odio hacia Poncho Sánchez. Percusionistas como Hidalgo, Barreto, Cachete y otros tal vez estén en otro nivel pero Poncho no es un chongo. Además su aportación al jazz latino es innegable. Entiendo que no sea su preferido pero se debe respetar su aportación a la música. Y el video está bueno para principiantes como yo.
Yo no creo que el mero hecho de ser Latino te hace superior ni inferior . todos seres humanos podemos ser de lo mejor. es cierto que los Latinonos tenemos cracteristicas buenas como ritmo amor a la familia ect.pero no somos los uniocos. y ese tono qur tomas barracuda con los que no son de nuestra raza solo sirve para dividir y enemistar a nuestro projimo. Que viva la hermandad de las razas!!
I never said I was an expert, and you have been missing the point of this video. Who are you to judge technique is my question? I have not studied conga but Giovanni Hidalgo, Mongo Santamaria (R.I.P), and Poncho Sanchez have been friends of my family since before I was born. Personally knowing these masters, all I know is that I doubt anyone who has been commenting on this about technique is probably not a world renowned teacher or artist. Point is your not qualified to make that statement.
For such great player he can't teach. Not always are those that excel at their art, sport etc good teachers. Re tumbao technique why show heel/toe that is so wrong it is base/tip. You bring down your entire left hand for the base then the tip, this way you get a full manoteosound. Check the technique of the other greats on youtube. I agree that Poncho is a great player but this mini lesson is a waste of time.
Giro, we r talking about Poncho so why insult my ability, see my demos on 'derbeno' and tell me if I know nil? Toe or tip, no issues, it means the same, but HEEL that is bad technique in salsa, mambo, son montuno, quaracha, timba, son, rumba or folkloric rhythms anywhere in the Caribbean basin or Africa. U say salsa is different check Eddie Montalvo how he holds a solid salsa groove using..yes you guessed it BASE. If u and Poncho want to play this way, ur free choice, but please don't teach it
jajaja... hablemos de maestros de la vieja escuela! Ray Barreto, Chano Pozzo, alex acuña, Cachete maldonado! esos SON MAESTROS... yo puede que respete al señor poncho sanchez por la edad y sus canas no por nivel... porque no tiene ninguno
señoras y señores les presento a tiburonnext, el mejor conguero del mundo, ánda ya!!! lo único que tienes es envidia de poncho, pues él ha logrado una exitosa carrera y seguramente serás uno del montón, ya que los malos percusionistas intentar tapar sus carencias con soberbia. un consejo: sé un poco más humilde y ponte a mejorar en vez de criticar a la gente
This is not Latin, this is 100% Cuban. Called Tumbao or marcha with the 3/2 clave. mambo, cha cha cha, salsa etc. No other latin Rhythm uses this fundamental. Sorry you need to call a spade a spade don't change it.
mira con todo respeto hermano, enmomiarse los dedos poncho sanchez como dices se llama "Protegerse los dedos" para evitar futuros callos y de tecnica porfavor no hables si no tienes ni la mas remota idea de lo que es, me gustaria mucho que pongas un video tuyo para ver tu prodigiosa tecnica y tu actualizacion respecto a la conga
Why you make that assumption, only those that praise Poncho know him???? He is good but not great and has a lazy left hand. Check classes from Cuban masters that rqshquesada posted or congaborikua or martincongahead or do a search on anga.
You sir are the one showing your ignorance the Base tone is you whole hand coming down on the drum. If you use your heel then the tip the two will sound virtually the same. Base/toe has a different and indeed the correct sound. Re Poncho a good player that copied ad-verbatim from Mongo and happen to be in the right place at the right time. Teacher he is not!!!!
esta tratando de enseñarte, como esperas que lo haga solo tocando? El buen maestro se distingue por su capacidad de enseñar con pasos basicos è eficazes. si no te gusto la lecciòn, y solo deseas escuchar la musica ve COMPRA el disco y deja de criticar lo que obviamente ni conoces.
For such great player he can't teach. Not always are those that excel at their art, sport etc good teachers. Re tumbao technique why show heel/toe that is so wrong it is base/tip. You bring down your entire left hand for the base then the tip, this way you get a full manoteosound. Check the technique of the other greats on youtube. I agree that Poncho is a great player but this mini lesson is a waste of time.
