Pop Singers VS Metal Singers 

you are def if you cant hear the amount of pitch correction in her songs

@@hbsupermage I was obviously referring to Adele's song "Easy on me". If you imply that those audible imperfections have be created on purpose using autotune, I will actually feel more respect for her. Choosing to sound flawed in a genre that doesn't take kindly to flaws takes guts. Also, please use punctuation; it makes postings more readable.

@@janekalbinsky So, you like imperfections in music, but not in You Tube comments. Gotcha.

@@ALTDOK667 Who can claim to be free of contradictions? That said, yes, I do appreciate music with a human touch as much as I enjoy fully formed sentences that adhere broadly to spelling norms.

To be honest, I do like adele's "19", but that's it, she went pop after that and sold out lol

She's simple Empress of The Universe, and i think this really, really, honestly and seriously, not ironically. I love Floort.

Hell no

And sabaton s drummers wife

I will say it differently: - Tarja Turunen - goddess of metal - Floor Jensen - Queen of rock - Joan Jett- Queen of Rock & Roll - Doro Pesch - mother of metal - Janis Joplin - the grandmother of metal/rock - Noora Louhimo - Queen of metal - Liv Kristine - Metal Angel. And there are many others that are equally good. Floor is almost perfect, but not perfect. And not perfect.

yea, that fatality part should be last note from Ghost Love Score from Wacken :D

Indeed. She is incredibile!

Well, no. She is great, but she is not unmatched. Simone is better. And in terms of versitilaty, there are many crossover singers around there who can do the same. They are just not as famous as Floor. Those people usually sing musicals at country level.

I would also add that Beth Hart is probably the most hired front session singer right now because of her versatility.

in terms of versatility, heck no. Mike Patton is the king of that. Man has done every vocal technique under the sun and sung in a billion styles

Really? Didn't know that Lady Gaga even noticed it. But Floor's version was better for sure. Lady Gaga is a great musician when it comes to composition and the piano, but Floor for sure is the better singer. And I very much doubt that Tarja, Floor and Simone can nail operas easily. Most likely of them Tarja. But to be a great opera singer, it takes a lot more. You have to specialize in this genre early and dedicate your whole life to it.

Training be it classical or other wise, the important thing isn't the genre as much a learning how to master your instrument. That's the most impressive thing about Floor. Haley Reinhart, Diana Ankudinova both had great control. But they are all different genres so you can't really compare their music with each other.

This. Being a former singer myself I can confirm your intuition. One can notice this from how Jansen project her voice, releasing only the necessary amount of air to reach those notes, with enough room for a longer vibrato if needed. Gaga is not bad at all. Probably one of the most remarkable pop performer in the last decade. But Jansen barely misses a note. Her pitch and voice tonality is just… mesmerising.

Gaga watched Floor's performance???? I didn't know that

Opera singers are of a total upper level with those singer's male or female, compared to all other's really, but those 3 women you mentioned yeah they're Upper Class and phenomenol singer's

Yes and can do pop better than the pop singers, as well as everything rlse.

Well, i guess Floor's signature "thing" is that she can do a lot of stuff. Thats why she has suddenly woke up one day being a metal community's icon after wacken 2013 got viral. She is not completely superior to every single female vocalist, but she is definitely in the top tier. I also admit that there are couple of really cool vocalists on the pop scene such as adele, ariana grande (yes, she actually can sing quite good) and mid/late miley cyrus.

The best, together with Brittney Slayes from Unleash the archers

@@angeltensey yeah. But can they growl too? 🤣

@@johngialluca6025 no clue. may be with some training

I agree, it was definitely skewed out of pops favor, but there are a lot of examples of metal artists doing pop covers, Floor Janson is a great example of that, otherwise there’s Jonathan Young, and then there’s the whole Bring me the Horizon band who used to be super heavy metalcore but they have since completely changed into edgy pop. Personally I would absolutely love to see someone like Lady Gaga or Katy Perry suddenly flip the script and release a metal song

Was about to comment on that :-)

Not really . it´s a song by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart- A Composer from Salzburg where I live. this was a song for Constanza . You can see all the notes in the Museum

@@christiandietachmair5638 Huh? I was talking about this song: 01:05 Since Muse are known for borrowing from classical composers, I looked up the song-title Supremacy on Wikipedia: No reference to Mozart whatsoever. (Sorry, if you made a joke, I clearly didn't get it.)

@@christiandietachmair5638 Mozart didn't write Supremacy lol

@@rear5118 Would've probably been amazing though! Lmao!

She also started out in a rock band I'm pretty sure. I think she could do a metal project and would kill it.

@@Rain593 she is a metalhead herself i read somewhere that she is a big fan of iron maiden

@@Rain593 yes,I know. I think it was a Led Zeppelin tribute band. I love her voice!

It’s not hard to recreate the lomax cantometrics, almost every blues and folk singer can create it, and certain any person who can create sounds out of their mouth can create this feature, not putting Gaga down, just putting a feature from the lomax archives that never gets recognized.

@@Lycanthropy54or true. But most pop singers don't do it

Adele actually does sing very well. Same goes for Lady Gaga especially with that collaboration that she did with Metallica.

Dave Mustaine is obviously the best singer of all time. I mean not even Freddie Mercury could sing Of Mice And Men or Dawn Patrol.

Absolutely love Mikael Stanne (Dark Tranquillity, Grand Cadaver, The Halo Effect), and Tomi Joutsen (Amorphis) for male vocalists who can do both harsh vocals and clean singing.

There are many pop singers who were way better than Floor in their prime. Whitney, Mariah, Aretha, Barbara, Lara, Fabian, the list can go on and on. Floor isn’t that special.

Morissette, SoHyang, Lara Fabian... Much sweeter tone, more control, maybe less range. Floor sometimes sounds artifical to me. I mean it's cool if you have a huge range and hit everything pitch perfect - still doesn't necessarily mean it sounds pleasing. Very subjective, I know. Same with Dimash. That guy just makes me cringe.

@@sharkey9 Maybe you should actually listen to the voice while disregarding the song to single out the quality of the singer. Your remarks about Floor are objectively silly as she ALWAYS uses what the song needs, while not showing of all the time explicitly.

Listen to Candice from ETHS. That's screaming!

@@jaimemora4696 thanks for the suggestion, I'll let you know my opinion after I listen. 😁

NICE!. Glad too see another who likes Angela better, Alissa can do the job but she is no Angela.

Alissas work in the agonist was far superior to anything she’s done with arch enemy. I would def check out her last album with them if your havent.

I've been a metal guy for decades, and never really got into Motown much, but Diana Ross was a superb singer by any measure, and I have to respect the Motown artists for doing some great music, even if it wasn't my style. They really don't make 'em like that anymore. Great stuff!

Sure. But she is not the best singer on the planet. Do you know every singer on this planet to make such a judgement?

​@@Nikioko Floor does so many things that it is impossible to list them, I have not found so many qualities in than one singer, Floor stands out among all, most of the singers are similar to each other, I think if there was a singer among them at the level of Freddie Mercury, I would have noticed this in the internet.

@@hamohamo8270 I didn't say that Floor was bad, I just said you are overrating her. There are many singers who can do what she can. But those people normally are not lucky to be hired by a famous band, most of them sing musicals at national level. And yes, to be a main performer in a musical, you must be a crossover singer who is able to sing both classical and modern. So, yes, Floor is great, but she doesn't stand out or is the best singer on the planet. And Freddie Mercury is just another league. Not because of his singing, but his overall stage performance. Just watch Live at Wembley 1986, and you know what I mean. However, when it comes to singing, Simone is better than Floor. And yes, I know what Floor can: powerful, dominant voice sustaining notes till eternity. What she can't is coloratura or vocal ensemble, why requires a flexible voice and blending in with other voices, respectively. If you want to see experts in the royal discipline of singing, watch the King's Singers. That is singing near perfection.

@@Nikioko What nonsense, if I knew that you would be talking nonsense, I would not answer, I think I have nothing more to add.

@@hamohamo8270 But since I am not talking nonsense and have a lot more knowledge of and experience in music than you obviously, you have nothing more to add. Great. Then I just say that there still is so much to discover for you in the world of music for you. So far, you have just sailed the coastal waters of a huge ocean. So enjoy your discoveries. And maybe one day you can relate to what I wrote today.

Well best operatic rock singer, yea maybe. I just don't like such superlatives because there are so many that sound awesome. Best rock singer in general? No. Listen to Beth Hart. 🙂

@@sharkey9 i knkw Beth. Powerful voice. ❤️

@@thomazmiguel2654 Yes. I could probably add a dozen more, like Marcela Bovio, Diane van Guirsbergen, Laura Macri, Lisette van der Berg, Anneke van Guirsbergen, Maggie Luyten, Melissa Bonnie, Madeleine Liljestam, etc etc etc. So many talents to chose from.

PS: Jinjer is quite a beasts of musicality -group all together (here only basist & drums) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PHLcspOqwt8.html

But comparing a singer like Justin Beiber against someone like James Hetfield would be too unfair. However, comparing Michael Jackson to a random metal vocalist would be a more fair fight.

YES

A lot of soul singers can definitely do that. Whitney, Aretha, Barbera, etc. Floor doesn’t come near the natural power they have. Not even close.

@@nicholew350 This is the real power and an incredible combination of styles and genres, ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-SNPesLFTnUg.html

@@hamohamo8270 I wouldn’t brag about growling and opera mimicking.

@@nicholew350 Oh shut up! FLOOR has natural power..and then some.

​@@nicholew350 this is a small part of what Floor can.

Metal also had a host of top male metal singers at that time too. Pop singers have fallen off because labels have used Auto-Tune to find younger singers that can dance and model but haven't taken singing lessons.

@@orlock20 yeah there are great metal singers in the 80s like Rob Halford, Bruce Dickinson, Ozzy Ozbourne, James Hetfield (even before he changed his style later), and probably Lemmy Kilmeister (99% chance I messed up his name). However, unlike modern pop which has now fallen off in terms of talent because of autotune, modern metal still has great vocalists who can do more than just screaming.

I think its more that the pop songs from that time were better, at least for me. Best example is Mariah Carey, loved her 90s stuff where she did great ballads thats showed what she can, and then in the 2000s she started to do mostly this lame hip-pop stuff where you don't even really noticed anymore what she is capable of. The same problem i have for example now with Ariana Grande, i have seen her doing waaaay better in Late Night Shows than what she does in most of her songs.

@@marcthedashergd6321 Though I like his music a lot, I never thought of Ozzy as a great singer. Definitely not Hetfield. For some truly amazing singers from that period, definitely have to throw in Geoff Tate, Sebastian Bach and Miljenko Matijevic. Axl Rose was an incredible talent, but damn he was a PIA. Oh yeah, it would be blasphemy not to mention one of the greatest ever, Ronnie James Dio. RIP.

@@arturiuspendragon6849 I understand why you don’t think Ozzy or James are some of the greatest. But I am so sorry that I forgot about Ronnie. He is actually one of if not the greatest singer of all time.

You must not have listened to a lot of classical music if you think symphonic metal is the modern version of classical. Compositionally, symphonic metal resembles movie soundtracks at best. At its worst is generic video game music, like all those ai generated epic music videos. Put that on top of pop song structures, following the verse chorus formula, add in some monotonus chugging riffs and some catchy vocals which are mostly sung in a pop style, and voila! Symphonic metal

@@nikosv95 And you must have no musical background whatsoever. Doesn't matter though. But if you want, try to study musical theory and styles. Then you will see the difference between "pop" and symphonical metal. The different key's and transitions only found in classical and symph metal elude you. Doesn't matter ... just enjoy your crappy music. To everyone his own. Btw, i studied music, played multiple instruments and listened indeed to a lot of classical music. And all the ppl i know that studied music and play instruments are metalheads.

@@countmorbid3187 Yeah, you totally convinced me with your supposed studies and educated friends, lol... Key changes and transitions are techniques that are found across all music genres, from classical to pop, to rock , folk and so on (maybe not in the modern/electronized pop). It's not exculsive to neither classical music nor symphonic metal (as a supposed educated person you should know this). The main element of classical music is composition and melodic/thematic development This goes at least for romantic era classical music , which is what these symphonic bands poorly try to imitate (so composers like wagner , beethoven etc). All these bands lack any ability for nuanced melodic composition and development. They just follow the verse-chorus formula. When was the last time you heard verse-chorus in a classical symphnony? Also, the singers mostly sing in a pop style and not classical/operatic

@@nikosv95 Buddy, i don't care what you think. You're just a musical troglodyte with poor taste.

That said, I'm not sure I'd really be happy or impressed if the major awards DID give them recognition: I think I've felt like getting recognition from awards shows from the '80s has meant slightly less than winning a belt in pro wrestling....

Martina, Lori, Thomas, Rosalie - Therion have had lots of great singers on board with them over the years. They seem to get overshadowed a bit by Nightwish, Within Temptation, After Forever, and Epica, but it's a subgenre loaded with great vocalists!

She can but well? Classic i give to tarja.. or simone...

She can't sing Tarja's songs, and some of Annette's either

I don't know any of the pop vocalists, but I'll have to admit that they all sang - or at least lip-synced - far better than i would have given them credit for. I'm pretty sure the metal vocalists are singing in their own, natural, unmodified voices in the live performances, I'm suspicious of at least some of the pop vocalists, but I don't think they sounded bad at all, really, and if they weren't lip-syncing or auto-tuned, then they were doing pretty damned good for themselves, really.

do pop singers have labels too like in metal? I don't know but i don't think so

@@Notyourbis what? Of course they do. Who do you think manufactures pop “artists” to be the way they are? They are a money making commodity created by labels. The vast majority of pop “artists” are a business investment, very few are actually artists making musical-art.

You're right, the pop singers wouldn't go onstage under those conditions, I mean, they would have to sing live for starters.

Whitney, Aretha, and Barbera used to sing all the time without mics. Besides Tarja, they would blow the rest out of the water.

​@@nicholew350 Whitney and Aretha are no longer with us and Barbara is way past performing. With perhaps the exception of Adele and Lara, none of the current crop of pop princesses could hold a candle to these three. This clip doesn't even begin to give you an idea of the range of these metal singers. For example, Floor Jansen who sang "Shallow" can sing just like Tarja as she too has been operatically trained, then in the span of a single note she can switch to sounding like Corpse Grinder. Quite a few metal singers and musicians are classically trained, vs. the standard pop singer with modest talents, who has been elevated by the American music industry's marketing machine way beyond their pay grade.

@@billattercliffe8655 I agree with your first point. I listen to Tarja and Floor daily. I know what they’re capable of. Tarja, is one of my favorite singers. Pop didn’t use to be so talentless. I sure miss the good old days.

True, but one genre is over saturated with “artists” that are manufactured by labels as a money making commodity, while the other tends to be artists that are in it for the passion of making music (while also make a living out of it too). So regardless of comparing talent/ability on an individual level, the difference between the genres is “what sells” versus “what sounds good”. So labels throw shit at the walls to see what sticks then they take that turd and polish it up with audio engineering so it looks like a diamond. Without a doubt there are genuine diamonds in pop music, but those are not an accurate reflection of the pop industry as a whole.

@@pro-v7500 Agree It's not really pop music as a genre that is the problem, It is the big label music industry that is to blame for the failing quality. If we had an industry that let artists go their own way and be creative, pushing them to be as good musicians as they can. Instead of treating artist like fast food cash bringers, sex apeal, autotune, switch individual creative freedom for easy uninspired mainstream music etc. Then I think pop music could be great.