Drake's going to send another salty DM to Fantano soon for choosing Kendrick as the winner of this beef. Edit: I'd bring up the vegan cookie incident with Fantano if I were writing a diss track against Drake. But I'm just terminally online.
@@Ramonatho I especially liked the part where he said, "I'm feeling a light to decent 1 on your existence." Like clearly he's invested time into watching Fantano's videos.
Fun fact: This rap beef was trending on Tumblr. That's how inescapable it is. To quote an anime fanart blog: it's like finding one of those fully isolated islands populations that somehow still know who Michael Jackson is
I bet J Cole fluffs his pillow every morning and jumps out of bed with pure joy knowing that he avoided getting caught under the wheels of this beef lol
My favorite part is some guy found him a day or two after Not Like Us dropped and Cole was, in fact, just chillin on the beach, not a care in the world. Unbothered, flourishing.
Legit, the J Cole memes might be the 2nd best thing to come out of this after Kendrick's tracks. I wonder if J Cole's seen them and has gotten some laughs out of it...
You absolutely have a major point about how ugly this has all gotten, but Drake's line about Kendrick only caring about SA/CSA because he himself was a child victim (which isn't even what happened, per his last album) is just disgusting and morally indefensible. Everything else is a hypothetical, but Drake chose to let those words leave his mouth, and be etched into eternity online.
Well it IS rap beef and it is technically fine to have that bar in there. It IS just bars over beats. But I think the point is that Drake was straight up unlikeable there and it felt like somebody just straight up said that shit to you, as opposed to Kendrick having a narrative around everything which has always been focused to take down Drake or Aubrey on as many levels as he can and for what we mostly KNOW is understable reasons beyond the additional deadbeat and pedophilia sex ring elements as those don't have full backing, at least at the moment. But even those allegations fit SMOOTHLY into MTG and NLU. When Drake does it, yeah... it just sounds straight up mean and incongruent. It feels disgusting and not how MTG gives you disgust as an art piece. DRAKE feels disgusting when he says that.
I think that line is hilarious, for all the reasons Drake doesn’t want it to be. Drake has a whole track where he’s on the defense saying Kendrick is a liar and twists things out of context for his own benefit. Then he proves that he either is all of those things he called Kendrick or he doesn’t have any lyrical literacy at all by missing the entire point of Mother I Sober
the funny thing is that kendrick in Mother I Sober categorically says that he was never assaulted and the themes of the song are generational trauma and generational sexual violence aggainst black ppl, particularly black women. drake did not listen to the song
Yeah, that's a big unforced error, like punching yourself in the face. One of many on that record. Because only an abuser would think that only victims care about abuse. Which is straight up what he was saying.
@@austinthesan-antonian3932 diss lyrics can be anything, but in the heart part 6 it felt like such a shitty diss, like it wasn't even a diss and actually was insulting to drake more than anything it's not about showing respect or maturity, it's actually being able to disrespect your opponents in a manner that shows you're better than them by him stooping to that low (and we are ignoring the fact that line about kendrick being SA'd is already factually incorrect when you listen to Mother I Sober) with that poor of execution, it just feels like a jab that hit himself and his fans more than kendrick
Kendrick officially removed all copyright claims from reaction videos using his diss tracks, and did not monetize his RU-vid uploads with ads, effectively losing out on millions of dollars. This to me proves that at least for Kendrick, the beef isn’t about money but is literally just because he hates Drake.
@@stevethepocket I'm just contesting the "Kendrick is the goat, he's losing money to help out reactiors" angle. I mean, he _is_ the goat, and it's cool that he did that, but that's bordering on glazing.
And that probably made his label go apoplectic considering all the attention. But he really *really* wants Drake out of the industry. One of the constant throughlines during all of this has been how everyone hates Drake trying to grab as much from as many places as possible without giving back. Throwing 6:16 In LA out there and then saying "no claims" is Kendrick showing flat out he''s the opposite.
You forgot to mention that the reason Pusha outed Drake as a deadbeat father and revealed his son is that Drake mentioned Pusha T' fiancee. Drake was the first to involve the families in both Pusha and Kendrick's beefs.
Drake is the king of making subliminal shots at another artist one second then doing a full 180 dick riding them the next. Dude's trying so hard these days to act like a pittie when in reality he's a kitty.
LMAO J Cole dissing Kendrick and immediately apologizing is the most J Cole thing ever. I went to high school with Cole. My friends were friends with him. They were on the basketball team with him. Nobody ever had a bad word to say about him. He was one of the nicest dudes in the whole school.
I’m guessing someone told him how serious this was gonna get and he bowed out, bro probably thought it was gonna be a friendly battle. He made the right and smart move to just leave and not get involved
@@Soossstbf Lamar told Drake to keep it friendly. Then he didn’t. Now we’re here. J Cole was still right to step away instead of getting stuck even appearing to side with Drake.
lol imagine Meghan is waiting for Drakes response, but is surprised that Nicki is foaming at the mouth! “Lady I wasn’t talking about YOU”. Nah I think she was talking about Nicki with Meghan’s law imo
The pedophile and deadbeat father accusations are really just the cherry on top for Kendrick, it's clear from Euphoria and Meet the Grahams that at the core of it, Kendrick just fundamentally hates Drake for what he views as a lack of respect for his own people and art form. From how eerily precise and calculated every one of Kendrick's moves have been, it's clear he's just been waiting to finally explode about how much he utterly despises that Drake is considered to be at the forefront of hip hop, yet is completely out of touch from the culture of it in a swift, brutal takedown.
As for that, we actually KNOW that Kendrick spoke truth, spoke facts, absolutely decimated Aubrey on an INSANELY cathartic level. Important note: when Drake has tried to go after Kendrick's position among his own people and the art form, he has fumbled tremendously (thus how we got the incredible history verse in NLU).
That's exactly what I find suspicious. Why would be be more upset about that than the actual horrible things? There are only two reasons I can think of: Kendrick is a bad person who thinks those other things actually are worse, or that he's far less sure about those other things. I actually was tempted to turn this video off after finding out Kendrick apparently had admitted that he didn't have a good reason to hate Drake. I find it telling that it took that long to get to the actual bad stuff.
Drake making fun of Kendrick for being on Bad Blood is even funnier when you remember that Apple commercial in 2016 where Drake dances around like an idiot to Bad Blood in the gym for a solid minute before failing to lift weights. Like, at least Kendrick gets song royalties.
I get that we all want to talk about the tea, but that's not even the most interesting facet of kendrick's approach. You can take out all the grooming/SA/whatever actually criminal allegations and Drake still comes out looking bad. That colonizer stuff, the accent shifts, the womanizing, hiding his kid, befriending young women, how so many former collaborators now hate him for a multitude of slimy behaviour. These are all things we know about Drake with absolute certainty, we just don't talk about it. Kendrick constructed a narrative that pieces every moral failure together and psychoanalyses Drake as a fake, toxic person, more of a brand than a human, a real detriment not just to black culture but to humanity in general, someone who can't even fully claim their own musical achievements beyond "decent rapping and better singing ability". By contrast Drake has Kendrick on...family issues? Being a cuck? Hitting his girl? I guess some hypocrisy with the spotify thing? Being molested (jesus christ drake)? Having a 50/50 split (which is actually an amazing deal in this industry)? And then you look up what evidence there is for any of it and it's already debunked or misconstrued or just made out of thin air. Except Kendrick being short, I'll give him that I guess
Drake saying "I'd never look twice at no teenager" while a video of him kissing and sexualizing a 17 year old girl at a concert was trending was certainly a choice.
I believe Brad Taste in Music had a good point on that when he pointed out he wouldn't look TWICE. Implying that he will look once though, but not twice lol.
@@Cooe. She told him her age because he asked directly and then said something akin to "oh no I don't want to get in trouble" before kissing her and commenting on her breasts.
The best little part of Meet the Grahams is that its played in A Minor, a key without any black keys 👀👀👀👀 The man earned his Pulitzer, thats all I'm saying
I've seen Todd saying how he's tired of life & how he has no confidence in himself in so many videos & it makes me concerned a little. You matter, Todd. Do whatever is best for you creatively, but please don't give up. We care about you, man.
Literally my second video I've ever watched by you, Todd. So I'm very new here, but I just wanted to second the "you matter" energy. I don't know you, but I hope you're okay.
@@chrishulse3381I fully expect Todd to disappear from RU-vid for several months after this. Hopefully he'll make long Tweets about his dog, the best thing anyone does on Twitter.
Megan didn’t just diss nicki. She actually dissed drake before kendrick Drake had made references to Megan lying about being shot so Megan responded “hatin on BBLs but be walking around w the same scars” “Cosplay gangsters, fake ass accents” both these lines are about drake and they’re bringing up a lot of things kendrick bringing up like drakes surgery and his culture vulture tendancies
Well isn’t that song just a compilation of disses made to all other rappers who’ve taken shots at Megan? The Nicki one was the one that hit the hardest and that people started talking about, so no one noticed all the others, especially after Nicki fired back.
You left out the funniest part: “Cosplay gangsters, fake ass accents // *Posted in another nigga hood like a bad bitch"* I think that gave Kendrick Lamar the idea for his line about Drake seeing two 'bad bitches' when he looks at himself next to Sexyy Red 🤣🤣
Drake’s line about being too famous to be a predator is so disgustingly flippant to me, considering everyone with even half a brain cell knows that famous people have been consistently exposed as some of the most insidious predators due to their power, connections, ability to pay people off, fans to defend them etc. I’m not saying Drake is a predator, honestly as a woman and a CSA survivor he does give me certain icky vibes, but Todd is absolutely right that we can’t make that serious of an accusation off vibes alone. But at the very least, that line is astoundingly arrogant, ignorant, demeaning and invalidating towards the countless victims of famous predators. And that’s enough for me to be completely turned off him and his music forever tbh.
Kendrick is a Pulitzer prize winner who does prison workouts in his driveway while listening to 70's R&B. That's someone who don't want to fuck with on any kind of level. Drake didn't poke a bear, he woke up a sleeping dragon.
@@seamusthatsthedog4819you're either fucking with someone who has the means of defeating you in spectacular fashion, or someone who's crazy enough to finish the job out of the ring
It has the energy of my dad telling a racist coworker one time, "I'm not upset by what you say because you're boring. I forget you said it half the time." and then continuing to get the dude's name wrong by replacing it with other generic white first names for the next half a decade.
Kendrick isn't out there slapping women on a stage, but Drake is out there kissing 17-year olds on a stage. There aren't any women saying in interviews how Kendrick is beating them, but there are interviews with 14-year old Millie and 17-year old Billie Eilish saying Drake texts them ("about boys", in Millie's words). Drake is an avid supporter of high school girl's basketball. Even if it's just smoke and nothing else, it's fucking weird and when you put it all together, it forms a pattern that's been going on for a long while. Even if neither provide any proof, Kendrick is absolutely the more credible one right now because Drake just always looked suspect.
Also, Drake's response was basically "no u", "haha you were mol3stēd", and "I'm too famous to be a p3dô" as if that isn't a PROTECTIVE factor for the child-abusing elite. I hope it's not true but it aint a good look rn for him
Drake’s whole “whiny emotionally unavailable player who’s been hurt and misunderstood and just wants to find a ~real~ girl who he can settle down with” gimmick is smoke too tbh. That kind of game doesn’t often work on grown women. We tend to see it as manipulative and pathetic. Y’know who it does work on? Teenagers.
@@ranbummerz729 Diddy stituation JUST blew up like a month ago and he still went with this angle. Not to mention Epstein, R Kelly and all the other shit. Absoutely baffling to me that no one told him this is a terrible move.
@@Venom_IX Epstein was flying around doing this shit with some of the most powerful people *on the planet* for decades and Drake was stupid enough to act like wealth and fame and power don't insulate you from the consequences of your actions while name dropping Epstein in his own bars.
@@ranbummerz729 The molested line also makes no sense since the Kendrick song he's referencing the whole point of the song is that he WASN'T molested. So not only did he make a diss to make a dig at someone being molested, he missed the shot.
ok, but you have to admit the bbl drizzy beat becoming a meme so widespread and global that we got crowdsourced drake disses that include japanese rappers, traditional indian dancers, masego playing saxophone, and ployphia’s tim henson playing guitar is one of the most unexpectedly funny things to come out of a rap beef
Let's be clear: megan called out a lot of people but she did NOT call out Nicki by name. Nicki Minaj bit the bait and got mad when she didn't have to say a worrrrrd
@@kathleenmorrison2908omg, not the crosswords😂 I worked on the NY Times crossword for the first time in awhile and was a little taken aback at some of the “pop” culture reference clues, I didn’t even think about what that must be like to encounter if you’re not familiar😅😅
So, I'm not at all into the music scene, so I had to look up these songs for the context. What got me is that Kendrick in 'Euphoria' straight up warned Drake not to go after his family or to make things more serious than they were. Basically "we're doing a nice thing, don't go there or you'll regret it". Then I guess he waited with his finger on the trigger? It's pretty remarkable, a movie moment made real.
You know, I'm not someone who feuds much with anyone, but if I *were* in a feud, I feel like it's just morally incorrect to bring someone's family into it. If I'm mad at someone, I'm not mad at their family. Those people are uninvolved. They shouldn't be catching strays. So I absolutely understand Kendrick firing off at Drake as hard as he did. Movies have characters snap at people who hurt their family for a reason, and that reason is because it's unacceptable.
it feels like the last parts of The Godfather 1 where the previously-chill Michael came down hard on the other mafia guys because they went after his family first and Michael responded with, well...guess
Probably because, oddly enough, Taylor's actual music at this point is the least interesting thing about her. Like, I can't imagine what he could possibly say in a video about "Fortnight". It's a pretty nothing of a song.
@@RyanStorey1231 Yeah, there’s a reason why after being the internet’s punching bag for a few days for some of the bad/cringeworthy lyrics, online discussion about that new Taylor Swift album just kinda stopped, which is that it’s ultimately just a fairly boring album. I’m sure it’s still been a success since it did have that big drop and Swifties are one of the most insanely devoted fandoms out there, but if you asked me to say what “the big single” from TTPD was for Todd to do a review on, I wouldn’t know which song to name, tbh.
It doesn't sound like Taylor put it out to have any big pop singles. I think she just put it out because she had a lot to say, and now it's out there and she's moving on. I don't even think she's going to release any followup singles or music videos. The fact that she dropped this while she's still on her biggest tour says it all. They probably chose "Fortnight" as the single because it's the only song on the album that sounds like it could be a big hit. Though, "My Boy Only Breaks His Favorite Toys" is right there begging to be the next Cruel Summer, so I don't know what she was thinking. She probably thought the novelty of duetting with Post Malone was enough to send the song over the edge.
This video has made me realize your biggest skill as a critic, especially compared to other critics on RU-vid: it's putting a musician and their song or body of work into their context to help you see the bigger whole of it. If that takes a little longer than your average reaction video, it's beyond worth it.
Yeah somehow despite seeing this beef everywhere Todd explained it in such a way that I made new connections I hadn't before. The wider context is always important and he's so good at giving it rather than just assuming we know it all
Lot of new people in the comments confused. Calling Todd a Drake supporter or fan is way off base. Todd has been on Drake's neck for almost a decade now. He gives credit where its due, but he's never ignored the icky things about Drake. Even in this video alone: if you think Todd is a Drake apologist, you didn't watch the video.
Once Kendrick released Meet The Grahams, the winner was already decided. Like, there is NO coming back from that WHATSOEVER. That is genuinely one of the most scathing and outright BRUTAL diss tracks ever conceived.
Everyone I’ve ever seen listen to that song for the first time has their eyes bugging out of their skull and their mouth wide open. Just absolutely shocked and in disbelief. It may be the first diss track I’ve ever heard that’s basically a horrorcore song.
12:50 Important thing to Note is Drake brought up both Pusha T's and Kendrick's wife in the beef first, which basically gave his oppontents permission to take it there.
Exactly. In Euphoria and 6:16, Kendrick said he wanted to keep it surface level. In Euphoria he said eff the industry, if Drake wants to make it personal, Kendrick will expose the system.
Yeah if you've been following this it's hard to feel sorry for Drake. He didn't feel conflicted about jumping in, he was _desperate_ for this to be his moment this time. He shat on Cole immediately for his response and was threatening the worst right from the beginning.
This was why it was so crazy. Because Drake was threatening some sort of reveal right from the beginning. This had like barely one escalation phase before it went Pusha T nuclear on both sides and Drake wanted that. He just didn't realise that not only is he not as good an artist, people just don't really like him much lol
One key thing that Todd missed is that this goes back muuuuuch further than a lot of people realize. This basically goes back to Kendricks infamous verse on Control back in 2014. Ever since then Drake has been very passive aggressive in dropping subliminal shots several times at Kendrick while sometimes praising Kendrick publicly in interviews. Kendrick on the other on mostly only did response bars to Drake's subliminal shots, but never really talked about Drake otherwise. It really always felt like one of them (mainly Kendrick) was looking for a reason to more directly kick off the beef, and it took them a decade to get here.
to be fair i think he's looking at this on a very simple and more recent tone, there's plenty of analysis videos detailing the actual feud history between the two
Drake: Your feet are small, you're too busy listening to Taylor Swift to respond to my sick diss. Kendrick: Here's the new diss track, I call it "The names of every minor that Drake has been seen standing too close to, listed in alphabetical order."
@@c.rhodes6420 You're not wrong, but Drake's disses are a lot less venomous when taken on the whole. It's a couple hard hitters like that surrounded by like thirty playground insults. Kendrick is going for the throat with each verse.
'HISS' was actually about Drake too! There are other verses where she talks about his BBL surgeries and culture vulture tendencies, but because Nicki Garbaj overreacted to one line, everyone assumed Megan was dissing her. Also I knew the feud had gotten overkill when Shawn fucking Michaels invited the two to NXT because Kendrick dropped a shout out to 'Sweet Chin Music' in 'Not Like Us'
I initially thought the Megan's law line was directed at Nicki but after this feud it does sound like it's about Drake! Meg killed two birds with one stone just with that line alone
@@lemontreeleafWhile the line applies to Nikki the most, it could definitely apply to Drake and other rappers accused of statutory and other abuses. In the same song Megan accuses male rappers of hating on BBLs while having the “same scars”. Who’s currently being made fun of for this? That’s right, BBL Drizzy.
“These things usually end up with people dying”… or in the hospital… at this point. Hope the guard makes it. For those who don’t know there was a drive by at Drake’s place and one of the security guards is in the hospital.
Man...as an Old, nothing was worth losing Biggie & 2pac that was such an ugly heartbreaking era. No one wants that again unless they're too young to reason or remember.
Honestly the entire thing has just sounded tedious to me, like imagine if Tupac and Vanilla Ice had a fued, its the most hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby situation of the last ten years
Saying drake is equivalent to vanilla ice is just a straight up lie. Drake himself has won many rap beefs, including meek mill who grew up as a battle rapper. Drake himself came out from the battle rap scene and was so good that lil Wayne took him on board even though he wasn't even American. The only people who say this are people who are genuinely clueless about drake and hip hop in general and think all drakes catalogue consists of is one dance and hotline bling 200 times....
Honestly, regardless of the ugliness behind it, it feels so refreshing to see such a cultural event that EVERYONE seems to pay attention to, overtaking even Taylor's album release, especially after so many thinkpieces about rap being stale since mid-2022
@@crafty9795 Taylor at the eras tour: I hear there’s a really big rap battle going on. Between Kendrick and Drake? Guess you can say they have BAD BLOOD!”
@@crafty9795 technically, her regular producer jack antonof produced one of kendrick's songs so in a round about way she was involved--todd wasn't kidding when he said even producers are apparently sick of drake
@@happiness1772I’d disagree. We have a fairly good rap community from old guard like Maestro Fresh Wes & Kardinal then there’s Classified, K’Naan, Shad, K-os, & Cadence Weapon. Even a few First Nations MCs
Hello from Toronto, Canada. In the last week, Drake's house has been broken into 3 times and his security guard was shot and taken to hospital. The beef is far from over.
That's the thing though: imagine living a life where someone _can_ write a song about you like that, where it doesn't make the songwriter look totally baby reindeer crazy. Maybe Drake really does need that ayuhuasca experience.
Defenitely a top 5 diss Track of all time, even if the daughter accusation isn’t true, the way he he digs in too all the bad shit Drake has done in his life and make him seem like such a dark/twisted person is next level songwriting, man had me contemplating all the sins I have done.
I would destroy anything my parents could use to reach the internet. Phones, laptops, TV's, other people's phones, computers at the public library, etc.
what people are missing is that drake is either pwedator or a complete 'tard. who messages with 14 year girls about boys? is his posse so boring he can't talk about boy crushes with them?
From what I hear, young hip-hop fans have been treating this like that scene in The Matrix where everyone in the ship hears Morpheus is fighting Neo and they run to check it out.
There was a fake Kendrick line that was floating around online that went "Carly Rae Jepsen is the only Canadian that matters" and you have no idea how much I wish that was a real line
How do people think grooming girls for years and then immediately trying to sleep with them the moment they turn 18 is a lot of smoke? The man said he is a fan of "Women's" High School Basketball, that is all the evidence I need, aside from all the teenagers that it is public record that he tried to sleep with the moment the y turned 18 after knowing them for years.
I'm happy you made this video and I agree with everything. This went really fast from "Oh boys are fighting" to "Oh it's family feud episode" to "Maybe therapy? For all of you? This is way above our pay grade"
All the alleged personal stuff aside, the more drake engages in this beef, the more it becomes evident that he can’t write or rap for shit, kendrick proved he wins by a landslide purely on technical skill and creativity alone, and drake releasing the same monotonous shit he would drop on a regular Tuesday, ALSO we need to give Megan thee stallion her credits bc she REALLY set the drake lashings off
Yeah, I remember watching videos of a guy who was translating the lyrics of the songs in Spanish, and whenever they had to translate Drake's it always came with a creator pinned comment along the lines of "God, this bores me to sleep."
Now listen, man, I'm a Kendrick dickrider, but Family Matters is a BANGER, and Drake has several witty and funny bars in the songs he made. Taylor Made Freestyle is a 0/10 because of the AI crap, though.
Hiss was actually the first Drake diss. Most of the track was directed at Drake. Nicki just read herself into one line of the song and her following insanity just overshadowed all of that.
To be fair, Drake's record going in to the beef was 1-2, if you count the time he got bodied by a vegan cookie recipe courtesy of the internet's busiest music nerd.
Theres a video of drake kissing 17 year old on stage, then after asking whats her age he kissed her again and said something about her breasts and the way she looked, it is pretty sus to me
Even if there was nothing going on between Drake and Millie... No man his age should be texting a 14 year old.... Sorry but my daughter is about to turn 13... and if I would find out she is texting a grown man it's on sight..
Honestly, I think it's more the content than anything. If they were friends casually or if they were working together, then I think it might be fine? Adults can interact with kids without it being creepy, like if MBB wanted to branch out into singing and wanted professional advice or something. Mentorships aren't unheard of in showbiz (though the parents should of course be involved). I don't think anyone would raise any eyebrows if a singing teacher texted a teenager about appointments, answers to their questions etc, y'know? It's less fine when he's giving her "boy advice" and writing "I miss you" when she's 14, within a year of them meeting for the first time. Especially when he's reported to have had a thing with Hailey Bieber, whom he also had known and been "great friends" with since she was 15, from what I could find. And the other 16-17-year olds that he's been creepy around. As Todd said, nothing has been confirmed, but it's an awful lot of smoke. Looking more like Michael Jackson every day, I would say.
Megan thee Stallion's "Hiss" also contains bars that according to some fans are dissing Drake. That song comes for a lot of people and I love it so much
@@PrincessZaire100 I think most of the song is about fans of her ex being all up in her mentions and she's just like lol write him not me 😂 but yeah people act like the whole song is about Nicki it was like two lines max but the bar hit soooo hard
@@Amazatastic Tbf Drake is the biggest name in the camp of Tory supporters and was really the only celeb putting his name on the line for Tory and calling Meg a liar. It's about the fans who echo his bullshit too, but it's mostly about Drake.
Honestly I think the Hip Hop scene flat hates Drake. They hate that a creepy rich kid from canada has been coasting and getting the biggest numbers. They just are sick of his dominance, his attitude, his weird behavior. When rap was at it lowest point in a while last year things just started to boil so when a basic rap beef started it naturally escalated. The industry decided it needed a major shift of power and that to do that they would have to offer Drake as a sacrifice to the rap gods.
Surely Drake is far from the only big name predator in rap. Does the culture hate the others as much as Drake, enough to out and diss them? Or is Drake just the one everyone feels ok hating because he’s embarrassing in other ways (the culture vulture stuff is far from trivial to be clear) while they work with abusers in the clear?
It turns out the biggest benefactor from this beef may well be the guy who uploaded “Every Time Todd in the Shadows Bashed Adam Levine (Maroon 5),” who’s almost certainly about to get a bunch of traffic thanks to this video
@@cfredrics probably because out of the feud, he makes the least sense to be in it at least him and kendrick have greater relevancy to hip hop and rap than drake ever can, and at least j cole's own label is infinitely more respectable than drake's OVO
Just wanna note that Megan threw shots at several people in ‘Hiss’, including Drake himself, Nicki was just the one who took the bait and went crazy over it
Drake being upset that Kendrick gets more love despite doing smaller numbers is like McDonald's claiming they make the best food in the world because a lot of people buy it lol
"The elephant in the room - let's talk about it. For years, there have been rumors that Drake... is Canadian!" No joke, I spat out my water. Great bait-and-switch. You'd think I'd expect it by now because Todd does this a lot lol
I will say, I'm a firm believer that words mean things and that throwing around serious accusations is sometimes done much too lightly. However, I also think Kendrick absolutely 100% believes what he's saying and hates Drake's fucking guts. All of Euphoria was basically "no you misunderstand, I'm not trying to be cute, I hate you and if you keep going I'll prove how much"
While it’s true that there’s smoke but no fire in drakes allegations, I think we should be able to infer some things when the smoke is pouring out of every window of the building
While we can, doing that is how the internet sleuths manage to botch an actual professional investigation and let a guy off OJ style. I want the cops to come quash this beef, it's burnt at this point and this is something that just needs a definitive answer.
Going from 2023's pop music scene to 2024 has felt like wandering the desert for months in search of water and then suddenly getting blasted with a firehose
I kind of agree with this take. At first, it was like “yeah! This is fun!” And then Drake dropped Family Matters and it was like “wait…” and then Kendrick dropped meet the grahams and it felt like everything shifted. Like that song had me on edge for days and he wasn’t even talking to me. That shit was wild. But to be fair, Kendrick warned him. He said he had a mole, he said he knew what angles Drake would take and apparently, he knew when he would drop. He told him, don’t make it personal. And then Drake made it personal. Now look at where he is. Got the first dissbeat made about him with everyone rapping over it while the nation learns how to cr*p walk to Kendrick’s song about Drake being a SO.
@@PrincessZaire100 Exactlyyyyy. Like Drake did that! Drake forgot he is not an actual rapper, got cooked, and now we got a summer bop based on tearing this man and his career down.
I think its worth noting that Kendrick and Drake's beef has been bubbling under since Control for a lot of reasons and, frankly, the shots at Drake this year really popped off with Megan who wasn't really trying to aim at Nicki but Nicki got hit in the crossfire. Important context because rap, despite its size, really is a small world after all and the tiniest things tend to have long lasting knock-on effects because of how interconnected the sphere is.
@@lemontreeleaf They had, yes, but Hiss was a song that's about predators in the industry that has iirc no bars about Nicki directly but several that are directly about Drake. Megan did start this wave and deserves her flowers. Especially since Drake went out of his way to diss her during the Tory Lanez bullshit.
This beef didn't start with that First Person Shooter song, that was just the excuse Kendrick needed to finally come for Drake directly (J.Cole just got caught in the crossfire). The feud has gone all the way back to Kendrick's Control verse and Drake's defensive response to it and then subliminal disses that followed. There's plenty of vids on the topic if you're interested (I think the What's The Dirt one sums it up pretty well; guy really likes Drake, but he's not too biased).
I too at first thought that dissing J. Cole and Drake over "big three" was an unwarranted overreaction. But if you look back a little, you can see that Kendrick disliked Drake for a while. I think Kendrick wasn't mad at being rated anything below GOAT, I think he was mad at J. Cole for lumping him in with Drake.
For years, rap beefs have mainly revolved around stuff like “I’m a better rapper than you, You’re corny and I’m real, I sold more copies than you…” and stuff like that. This is the first beef in a long time where it’s legit personal hatred where lines have been crossed in a major way. And it’s also the two biggest rappers of the past 15 years doing it. Reminds me of how personal and vicious Biggie and 2pac got in the mid 90s which makes me pretty nervous for the future.
It hasn't been that long. Okay, 6 years, but Pusha T shut Drake down because he straight does not like him for whatever reason. You don't air that type of laundry when it's just a contest.
eh. You could feel down about it. It probably says something about our current cultural moment that this is charting like this. But it doesn't leave a sour taste to me. Misogynistic crap like "slimin' you out" leaves a sour taste. Drake making millions off a name, that leaves a sour taste. Being the "hip hop" but really just a pop guy for people who want a little more street cred leaves a sour taste. That he's been able to pull all the nonsense he has, that leaves a sour taste. You like the underdog, me too Todd, but I see it the other way. One of these people had a reasonable claim to being one of the most famous and influential and successful pop musicians ever, and despite his many controversies and lacklustre projects everything slid off him like teflon. Dude had hidden kids, wore blackface, made hit songs lying about his background. The other is a genuinely great artist, a great rapper, who didn't appreciate being put in the same category as a creepy, misogynistic, racist creep who uses ghostwriters and is exclusively in the pop game. Honestly, I feel it. I like the hate. I like the way that he tore straight through the entire thing. Half these rap beefs feel like they're just pro wrestling nonsense, especially with an artist as plastic as Drake. It's just watching people like Eminem and MGK trade back and forth barbs about each others haircut, and complaining that the other is taking the money away from their kids. Whining crybully nonsense for drumming up album sales. Kendrick didn't do that. He said straight up, I hate everything about you, I hate what you're doing to the culture, I think the culture is sick of you, and I'll make a play off that, not to promote some hack album, to put you in the ground. And if you didn't hear it the first few times, I'm going to make a hit song that'll chart, a song of the summer, that straight up calls you a pdf file. He's not playing around, he did resent being included in that shit because he's not playing the game. One of these people is a real artist who makes his own shit and takes his shit seriously, and the other is a celebrity who hires professionals to write for him, everything about him is fake. Drake can claim to be the second biggest pop star of all time, but he doesn't even belong in the top 100 greatest rappers of all time. That's why it's not an underdog thing to me. If Drake had stayed in his lane, like Kendrick said, and kept to the melody and not tried to be something he isn't, he wouldn't have started anything. And if he could stop texting minors he wouldn't be getting called out for it. Or groping them on stage. I dunno. If the equivalent of Harvey Weinstein said "You're a great guy, just like me" I'd probably be insulted. I see it as someone who's extremely talented going after someone bigger with more clout than them. Fair, Drake never stood a chance, but he shouldn't have been claiming they were in the same league. Drake is like getting recommended a RU-vid short featuring Andrew Tate. It's disgusting, entirely unwelcome, and you hate that the culture is in a place where that shit is so popular the algorithm goes "Yeah, you should listen to this stupid psychotic grandiously delusional fuckface who sounds like he barely has a high school education's thoughts about life, because enough people are already doing it that the thing is basically snowballing at this point, we're just going to keep pushing it out.". imo you need a real hater to fuck that shit up, to rip into that, to attack it, not playing, not interested in returning serves, or friendly sparring, to just try to smash the other into the ground until it stops moving. That's what Kendrick did. Good on him.
Kendrick is that you??? LOL but naw, I do get what you're saying, and a lot of other have been pointing out Drake's descent into his current Red Pill ass era that Todd himself made note of in the Worst of 2023 video. Does it mean that Drake deserves to have THIS kind of label attached to him? I don't know, but he certainly hasn't done himself any favors with his past behaviors and recent musical output. SOMEBODY needed to take him down several pegs, and Kendrick was just the guy that decided to take matters into his own hands. Whether or not it'll be effective long term we'll see, I honestly don't think this feud will hurt Drake's next album sales at all, but this is still probably gonna be the dark cloud that'll hang over his head for the rest of his career.
@@ktownshutdown21 I don't think it'll end the man's career, I think Drake will always have a career. But I don't think he deserves to have one and I'd rather he were considered a disgrace. It's not just "not doing himself any favors". His cringey wannabe hard wannabe hip hop shit is not doing himself any favors. His music being mostly shithouse, even apart from being morally reprehensible, isn't doing himself favours. Releasing overlong mixtapes with a crazed frequency and zero quality control isn't doing himself any favours. But groping underage girls on stage, hell, groping anyone on stage, writing misogynistic stupidity like "slimin' you out", and creeping on young women, and using your position in music and society to sell that shit to entire generations of people who deserve better? Yeah, I think he should be ripped down and shouldn't have a career. Dude's just as bad as Kanye, he's just slightly more palatable and less unstable about it. I reckon this will hang over his career forever, and Drake will have to live with Not Like Us on the hottest 100 and getting play for years to come. And whenever people try to put Drake and Kendrick in the same category, Kendrick won't have to worry, because he defined this thing. Even mentioning the two in the same sentence brings up for most people that Kendrick wrote a hit song that's being played at sports arenas calling Drake a pdf file, and he got away with it, and it reminded everyone of all the times Drake was blatantly and obviously rubbing his perverse attractions in our faces. Drake, instead of writing bitchmade songs about how you're sad that nobody likes you for your personality, maybe shut up and realise that you have an awful personality and people hate you for that. They're only ever pretending to like you for money. Just spend your time hiring hookers, it's not like you view women as anything more than that anyway, you've gone on record many times saying you think of them as disposable expensive objects.
I know all these famous people must be surrounded by a hell of a lot of yes-men, but was there *really* no one in the room who spoke up when Drake decided to namedrop Milly Bobby Brown when Kendrick hadn't actually named _anyone_ specific? Like that really felt like the meme of sticking the pipe in your own bicycle wheel, I can't believe that made it into the final version of the song.
Honestly, the best outcome for this situation would be if it leads to some kind of MeToo moment in the industry, with victims coming out and public opinion turning against abusers and people who protect them. (not sure if Drake is in the first category or the second one, but either is enough to justify ostracization)
Yep, take them all down. Like, even if we didn't know what we now know about Diddy, he was well known for being a, like, emotional abusive jerk, but we all were like, those 90s hits tho. (And those 90s hits were great!) His most viral moment as a producer was making that kid walk to Brooklyn to buy a cake. It's funny but then you think about it now and you're like.. oh...
yeah I know a lot of people have been painting Kendrick as bringing up the predatory stuff to just to "win" the beef when it seems clear he HATES Drake for countless reasons and everything he's done, to me, has read as him baiting Drake into a beef to justify doing everything in his power to culturally excise him from hip hop as publicly as possible.
that would be the best outcome, but i doubt it. Like Todd said, for all their disses about each other mistreating women, they both have chosen to work with abusers, not even in the distant past. they don't really care. i don't think fans really care. there's no reason to believe all the talk will lead to actual legal consequences unfortunately.
When nobody is dying, these types of beefs are VERY good for hip hop. This is how they police themselves. Be careful of your sketchy behavior because every move you make arms those who don't like you. And in hip-hop there is always somebody who doesn't like you.
On the other hand though, all the wives and kids involved are only observers having their names and lives evoked to settle a beef between two extremely wealthy and powerful people. This might be good for hip hop right now, but it won’t age well for neither Kendrick (whose music I love) and Drake (weirdo)
@estebanfumero3728 Absolutely agree with you but in life there is rarely a universal good, I wish there were more of them. I hope nothing but the best for everyone involved truthfully. It can be damaging for real people involved, good thing to point that out.
This is how the feud went: Drake: Throws glitter bomb on Kendrick. Kendrick: Throws multiple glitter bombs, with a warning about "don't escalate this further." Drake: escalates this further by tosses several firecrackers into Kendrick's yard, sets fire to a shed, and then goes on about how Kendrick won't respond. Kendrick (literally while they're still putting out the shed fire): Nukes Drake from orbit. Drake: (stands in crater in shock). Kendrick (literally the next morning):Nukes Drake from orbit AGAIN, but this time sets it to Yakkaty Sax (that Benny Hill song), so its funny. Drake: Engages in pathetic loser's trash trash talk. J. Cole (after tossing a glitter bomb on Kendrick and then apologizing about it): Watches the double mushroom cloud and goes "glad I didn't get involved in this crap!"
I think the weird part of all this is everybody acting like drake hasn't been doing all this shady shit in public for years, but women in the industry, especially Black women, have been saying this crap for ages and no one listened. people act like drake being a terrible person is new cuz they want to listen to his stuff and not know what he's up to. this is about more than money or clout, this is about a man finally saying what women have been, and it finally being taken as serious beef instead of just girls starting drama. like not acknowledging it or saying it's hypocrisy or whatever doesn't actually absolve anything, but people want to act like it's settled so they can move on with the new normal drake is suggesting (the status quo) cuz it's easier rather than the one kendrick and megan and others are pointing out, which means having to do something. it's the same as always.
Reminds me of the way people only took the allegations against Cosby seriously after that Hannibal Buress clip popped off, despite stories about Cosby flying around for years beforehand. disheartening
todd man i don’t know about the smoke/no fire comment. kendrick might have gone a step too far by labeling him a pdf file downloader, but he’s certainly had many relationships that would count as grooming/toxic power imbalances at the very least. him meeting hailie bieber when she was 14 and dating her briefly when she turned 18, and doing the same thing with jimmy jam’s daughter bella harris who he met at 16, is really gross and creepy.
Unfortunately, our whole society has conflated “pedophile” with sexual behaviour with any minor. They’re not the same thing, but I’m not sure they’ll ever be disentangled. I doubt Drake is a literal pedophile, but it seems pretty likely he’s a sexual predator, who targets minors.
people have forgotten about drakes brief alleged relationship with jorja smith because she was 19 at the time. dating a 19 year old when you're 31 isn't illegal or extremely predatory but it's often loser behaviour at best and manipulative at worst. the lyrics of jaded seem so much worse in the context of the rumours about drake
Right buying a young girl gifts & texting her etc as a grown man & dating at 18 is essentially grooming. All the at behavior is WEIRD. So we need to pay attention. Not to mention the 17 yo he literally kissed & commented on her body after knowing her age 🤦🏾♀️
@@redactedredacted6656 on that note, the lyrics of TSU off Certified Loverboy read like a damn confession. this guy is proud of his groomer tendencies and feels emboldened to put them on a song because the general population doesn’t seem to take it seriously… remind you of anyone? perhaps R KELLY, who was SAMPLED ON THAT SONG
Yeah at some point this feud really just became a party for anyone sick of Drake or who just likes dancing on graves. Kendrick was so locked and loaded he had a response out the door less than an hour after Drake's. Drake took 2 days to respond again and all he had to say was "well your girl doesn't follow you on IG, hmmmmmm".
