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Poverty, Pessimism, and Comedy in Ancient Mesopotamia - Oldest Stories Podcast 

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Today we read through the Dialogue of Pessimism and the Poor Man of Nippur. Both are comedies with a bit of edge to them, though in very different formats, showing the richness of ancient literature. Dialogue of Pessimism is basically a two-man standup routine, with a fair amount of philosophical ideas thrown in as part of the comedy. Poor Man of Nippur is a farce mixed with a revenge tale, grounded with a perspective we rarely see in ancient literature, the common man viewing the wealthy and powerful.
It is also the subject of the world's first movie made in the Babylonian language which can be viewed here: • The Poor Man of Nippur...
Notes for the episode are on the webpage at oldeststories.net
The Oldest Stories podcast tells the history and myth of bronze age Mesopotamia beginning with the first written clay tablets circa 3000 BCE. Using their stories and histories, we can learn a great deal about the people of the ancient world and see how the people of the very first civilizations were not all that different from us nowadays, except of course for the places where they were very different. The past is a foreign country after all.
Oldest Stories Podcast is now available in book format - Amazon link here: a.co/d/7Wn4jhS
Donate here: oldeststories.net/
This youtube channel is an extension of the Oldest Stories podcast, which is also available on any good podcasting app, or at the website oldeststories.net.

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Комментарии : 15   
@lonelycloud4643
@lonelycloud4643 6 месяцев назад
We're SO back. 🎉
@colorlesscircle5743
@colorlesscircle5743 6 месяцев назад
RU-vid randomly suggest this to me, and it sounds like an interesting subject (I'm an anthropologist). I can't wait to have enough time to hear it :]
@entirelyalive
@entirelyalive 6 месяцев назад
Glad to have you. The last year has been all Israel, but there is quite a lot of ancient Mesopotamia stuff in the back-logs. You might like the Ancient Economics playlist, which covers daily life stuff: ru-vid.com/group/PLYVF2lD9MIqxE-dvNOMpcB8J4CqnY7iw1&si=tstGnk8CvPmpXOi4
@colorlesscircle5743
@colorlesscircle5743 6 месяцев назад
@@entirelyalive Those are all fantastic subjects, thank you. How did you get to making these videos if you don't mind? :]
@entirelyalive
@entirelyalive 6 месяцев назад
I have been running the Oldest Stories podcast for about 4 years now, we are going through Mesopotamian history and myth in roughly chronological order, and so pretty much any time in my main historical research when I find a cool topic, I put it on my list to do an episode on it someday.
@colorlesscircle5743
@colorlesscircle5743 6 месяцев назад
@@entirelyalive Well that's just fantastic, I can already thank you for all your work, and I will certainly come back to you once I have enough information from your videos
@Roy-tf7fe
@Roy-tf7fe 5 месяцев назад
It strikes me as I listen that it might be a work using an on-the-face-of-it reasonably possible scenario, that of the master thinking a plan of action bad if one as lowly and unsuccessful as a slave thinks it a good idea, to present something we run into nowadays as well, that of there seemingly being a proverb in favor of everything and, in fact, even opposite ones on every subject. For example: "The squeaky wheel gets the grease." Set against "The quacking duck gets shot." (Which I believe I personally first ran into in a Bugs Bunny cartoon.) It just seems like they'd've been completely aware of that and to me feels funnier that way, so I like it. More objectively, it does seem they'd've had the same "problem" (some "wise" saying available to back up any chosen course of action) and that the story's nominal structure is veyr thin and quite just that: nominal, not enhanced at any point, not questioned either, just there providing the backdrop to deliver the pairings. And it seems that in any audience, the more mixed the better (ages, sexes, just... lots of "natural" antagonists to give meaningful looks at a partner or neighbor as one or another pairing clearly hits home), there could then be quite a bit of self-generated humor. Which is the best kind as one seldom gets wrong what he himself will think funny. Wrong to himself that is. Others might easily have a different take on things. So the performer could likely count upon a longer time on stage, less time dumped unceromoniously in the nearest dung heap...
@goosiechild
@goosiechild 6 месяцев назад
possible interpretation of the dog balls proverb: a pair of wrinkly dog balls may not hold much appeal to most of us... but to their owner, they are precious. (and delectable.)
@entirelyalive
@entirelyalive 6 месяцев назад
That is pretty good! No idea if it is right, but I like it.
@Roy-tf7fe
@Roy-tf7fe 5 месяцев назад
The dog and "only take, not put down" joke... well yes, clearly just funny in average use, and we have a REALLY good little comic version on the internet today (the "only throw... no take" one). But consider who else, than "dog", has an "only take, not put down" problem: kings and religious leaders (then and now, for that matter). So maybe originally it was just "dog" or maybe not, perhaps it was originally, or either way, for long, long times, a remedy of the grousing kind to a local potentate, of whatever level, being somewhat graspy. (Naturally, a bigger problem of the kind always eventually had more severe remedies enacted.) Hence, the idea would be that the king was being no more than a dog, not even human, in his graspiness.
@Otram58
@Otram58 6 месяцев назад
Is there enough historical data on banditry and piracy in Mesopotamia?
@entirelyalive
@entirelyalive 6 месяцев назад
Not as much as I would like. There are many, many mentions, enough to let us know banditry was pretty common, but little systemic detail. I am collecting notes on it, and maybe I will be able to put an episode together on it someday, but for now it just sort of sits in the background.
@Otram58
@Otram58 6 месяцев назад
@@entirelyalive Do you plan on extending this podcast into the conclusion of the Iron age or even beyond that? A better way to put it would be, what timeline do you cover.
@entirelyalive
@entirelyalive 6 месяцев назад
@OtramHannibal The goal is to end at 539 BCE with the fall of Babylon to Cyrus. Still a ways off from that though, lol.
@Roy-tf7fe
@Roy-tf7fe 5 месяцев назад
Mmm... you know, or never more than a joke.
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