I've been looking forward to this, great video! Fun fact - the chainsaw disk was actually originally designed by Arbortech, but they replaced it with their Industrial Wood Carver and retired the chainsaw disk because of how dangerous it was. Also, the Turbo Plane doesn't cut on the edge because it was designed to be used for template work like when scooping out chair seats so that you can ride the edge of it along a reference surface without cutting it. (I promise Arbortech didn't pay me to say any of this haha)
Hi Paul, thanks for watching! Wow, that’s really interesting. I had no idea of the backstory with Arbortech and the chainsaw design. They’ve really done some neat innovative work in this area. I did know that about the template use although I haven’t tried it. I actually mentioned it in one of my 3000 takes but forgot it in the final cut. 🤣 Thanks for sharing your input, sir. Cheers, Paul
@@ToolMetrix I bought my first Arbortech chainsaw blade (not like the Lancelot but a single formed blade with chainsaw like edge) in 1988. I wore it out from much use. It is the one used in their logo. I replaced it with the Industrial Wood Carver and it is less grabby and safer but very good at roughing out. The Lancelot is notorious for removing woodworkers fingers, it should be banned. I use the Arbortech planer also and it's the safest and easiest to use.
Best carvig disc review i have seen so far. You just saved me 100 usd not mentioned the extra time and frustration when you just buy a tool, then never use it again when you realised its just not for you. There are more design in this field. Please, do more review on them!
Thanks very useful. I have the Graff and believe me it is the most dangerous tool I have ever used, speaking as someone who has used chainsaws all my life.
@@ToolMetrix i have the Graff also, My Dad bought it as a PRUNER DISC not a shaping/carving disc, which is what it does extremely well, it's the reason i also fitted the side handle to the grinder.. i have chopped through some 1.5" branches fairly easily with an older dewalt 18v cordless grinder though.
thank you for demo. I had my 1st go with angle grinding on Tuesday, used a kutsal disc, it kicked back, hit my chest with the handle then sliced my arm! Sitting her googling with a sling and 7 stitches! Maybe I was unlucky. I'd done lots of research, had a tutorial with an expert, was wearing ppe everywhere but my forearms! I'm keen not to let it stop me (once I've healed up) but obviously really nervy now!
I put a ton of hours into these power carving attachments and I always wear essentially armor... welding apron, heavy duty arm and hand protection, double eye pro and ear pro. At some point I get too tired and things get sloppy and that helps protect me. The biggest deal once you have your PPE on is understanding how the grinder moves and which side it binds on. Super important to constantly think about not catching your leading edge (if you're moving left to right WATCH OUT FOR THE RIGHT EDGE) which will make it jump EVERY TIME.
Great video. When in my early 20’s l had a talented friend who was sculpting with an arbortech with a pretty radical blade who lost a thumb and two fingers while angle-grinding. As l comment further below, it’s incredibly important not to work past a certain point of tiredness. Whether it’s driving, carving, mountain bike riding, you’re going to start making potentially disastrous mistakes. Leather apron’s a great idea - l was once hit in the chest with about a third of a cutting disk and l was lucky that it bounced off a rib (bruised and bleeding etc.). I would have been fine had l been wearing a leather apron.
I do find your video here great! I use Kutzall most of the time from coarse to fine . Lots of dust! Great tools! Medium to fine you can use with one hand.
I've got several Arbortech attachments, but I have a word of caution, while using the Turbo plane on some black walnut, I hit a large knot that shattered one of the blades and it literally torqued the grinder out of my hands, lucky to have had a paddle switch on the dewalt..
Wow!!! That sucks what AT said. Thanks for posting this. Also thanks for sharing your experience with hitting the knot. That’s a scary situation and I’m glad that you didn’t get hurt.
Thank you for the review and the chart showing the various comparison points for each one of the products you reviewed, I loved that part. The safety and build quality points on your chart were of special interest to me. I saw another video by Stumpy Nubs where he suffered injuries using an angle grinder attachment that quickly got away from him. I appreciate the candid content from both of your videos on RU-vid to help educate would-be/are wood carvers of the various purchase options/safety considerations.
Great review. I would add... Always remove the stickers from any of these discs before using. They heat up while using, the glue softens, and those stickers can come flying off at high speeds and cut skin.
Awesome Video, really appreciate you going so much into the safety of each blade. As someone who is just getting into woodcarving, your video was a great help!
I am new to the angle grinder tool and have been interested in stone cutting and wood carving. Your video was very informative to me and I thank you for making it . 👍👍😊
I was trying to clean up the trunk on some palm trees and thought about using my grinder. I thought that the chainsaw blade looked like a good idea but had my doubts. Thanks for saving my fingers.
Thank you! I bought the Kutzall from your link. Great job demonstrating, evaluating, and depicting all the key attributes on one easy to assimilate chart.
IUse the Graff strictly for cross cuts while making bowls. I make cross-hatch cuts then use my gouge and mallet to remove the chunks of wood. Similar to making multiple cuts with a saw and then knocking them out with a hammer. Other than that straight-cut, I found it to be too grabby for any other type of cut. I have the chainsaw-type disk but never used it. Something said "DANGER" when I was about to use it and put it aside. Then I saw Stumpy Numb's video on how his hand got chewed up by one of those disks and I threw it into the pile for the scrap yard!
Thanks for the video. I’ve used an equivalent of the graff for years, making a lot of sculpture from small hardwood works to 3 metre high pieces. I’ve never had an issue with the Graff. To me, the key thing is to work while alert, to take breaks and never to continue working when tiredness really begins to kick in. That’s when mistakes happen - just like chainsawing - and I’ve done a heap of that. I do wear gloves, to protect hands from wood chips, though l avoid them with circular saws etc. as they can really drag your hand/arm in, and wear eye protection and ear protection. I highly recommend using good ear protection so that the atmosphere is calmer and more focussed. Incidentally, the worse damage that l’ve done to myself was with a standard curved chisel / gouge, but then again, l WAS rocking out to Nirvana, so lesson learned there ;)
Terrific video TM! Now if I am ever in the market for one of those, I now know which one to purchase! Thanks for all of that great info........... 👍👍😉😉
I liked your cross section explaining each tools. I was really surprised you used the Lancelot with out any safety gear. There have been some graphic videos from professionals saying it's the most dangerous tool. The blade went right through leather gloves and can grab clothing and slice your neck open.
Thanks. Gloves are a terrible idea with cutting tools in general. I wear a full face shield which you can see on the bench. A Kevlar vest would probably be a good idea. What else?
@@ToolMetrix Perhaps explaining how it can kick back. Other videos had explained because it's got the chainsaw links, with different situations it will kick back, and because it's a grinder tool it doesn't' shut off. And the blade is designed to grab unlike the others.
@@ToolMetrix wait did you for real say to not use gloves when power carving? That is absolutely terrible advice. Get some that you dont lose dexterity with already jeeeeezus
I may get a Kutzall. Alteady have one of their fine flame burs for coping trim. Excellent. They have an extreme series for grinders and 3 grits. If you had used the fine disc the finish would have been better.
As I note in my reply below, I recommend watching the Stumpy Nubs video devoted specifically to the dangers of the chainsaw disk - with gruesome photos. It got him too
Yes, it’s a great video and a good cautionary tale about a dangerous tool in case the rating here did not scare someone off. Also keep in mind that it’s one data point and there are surely accident stories related to every one of these tools, and every tool in a woodshop for that matter.
Thanks for the video, Paul. I have a few Kutzall and Saburrtooth type of discs and they work well for me. I've wanted a Turbo Plane for some time mostly because it produces more chips than dust, but haven't been able to justify the cost. Maybe someday. I was really glad to see how these two styles compared to each other. Now it's that much harder to justify "upgrading" to a Turbo Plane. Thank You!
Hi Charlie, thanks for watching. I definitely have the sense that the Turbo Plane has some neat advantages, and a more comprehensive test plan would have showcased it better. I'm just not a "power user" of these tools, so my angle on this project was more how to choose a first carving disc I guess. Sometime I'd like to see how you are using these things; maybe I should be incorporating them into my projects more. Also, you are welcome to borrow the Turbo Plane sometime if you want to try it out on a project and see if it might be worth adding one.
@@ToolMetrix Thanks Paul, I don't use them very often. Most recently I used them to hollow out the inside of the lid for that elliptical box. The fine control of the Kutzall type wheel made it easy. I do have a "one day/some day" power carving project in the back of my head, and if that ever happens then I will probably take you up on your offer!
The repeated surgeries and the 9 inch dipped scar across my leg, where there used to be a muscle, says the chainsaw attachment deserves a 1 on safety, not a 3. Safety guard, handle, nothing slowed it down once it bit into the wood. I still feel lucky that it was my leg. There is no controlling that attachment once it bites wrong and it's not a clean cut like most wheels. It chews it's way through you. Highly recommend avoiding.
Great input. Thanks. Not sure where you saw a safety rating of 3 on the chainsaw attachment. I did give it a 1, so I think our perspectives are pretty well aligned.
Wow! Having seen some gnarly cuts from chainsaws (not on me thankfully) I believe that disc could become quite the weapon. I think I'd consider logger's gear or maybe a suit of armor if I was gonna test drive that one. Hope ya heal up well.
Good question. I've never used for this application but I suspect that the Arbortech would probably be the best. Any of the ones that cut should work to some extent. The Kutzall would be slow and would clog pretty quickly, I would think.
Yeah good point, it’s the perfect tool for “grabby people” 🤣. There are a lot of pros who use them but it’s a scary learning curve. It’s kids like doing a backflip. If you don’t know what you’re doing it’s dangerous. If you go through a very methodical onboarding process it’s still riskier than walking but it’s less risky than a total novice trying one after a few beers.
Great video thanks. Can I ask about the bore size. All of the blades I see online have a 16mm bore hole and say this is standard... but all of the angle grinders come with 22.2mm blades. Will the 16mm blade fit the angle grinders or do i need a special adapter?
Hi Gary, thanks for the feedback. My grinder has an adapter that allows it to use 16 or 22mm blades. Some of the tools in this video have 22mm and some are 16mm, and they all worked on my angle grinder without having to buy anything else. All links are in the description, so if you buy the stuff that I've listed out, you can have the confidence that it will all work together.
I wonder if the OBA tool that looks like the Kutzall is a possible lower-cost version. I'm just getting started using my dad's cheap angle grinder and I feel insecure about spending upwards of 60 dollars on an attachment. So if anyone has experience with the OBA attachment, it would be appreciated :)
Hi James, I should have done some testing on end grain specifically. That said, knots are end grain. I’m confident that the rasp style discs such as kutzall would do well with end grain. I don’t know about the others.
Hi there, thanks so much for the video, it was very helpful. I'm just starting out (making bowls from trunks mainly), and am wondering if you have any recommendations for ppe, i.e. gloves, aprons, face shield etc.? I was really excited to get started, but after having read/watched some of the vids from your comment section, I'm now actually pretty scared :| Any suggestions? Thanks again so much :)
Hi DM, face shield for sure. Leather apron is a good idea too. Gloves are controversial so do your homework on that. I wear them sometimes when power carving but there’s some risk to it with power tools in general. Avoid the chainsaw style tools and you should be fine.
Oh yeah!, flap disks aren’t quite as fast at burning thru material and might not be best for really big projects. For the “sculpting” I do it slows me down a little and allows me to form my project better. Very smooth surface. CHEAP! Cons You can’t cut into the wood with the side of the blade. Fine dust. Slow ish.
Hi! I just started working with wood, never used an angle grinder. the other guy said, "kutzall is not for the beginner who doesn't know how to use the angle grinder, it is very dangerous" do you agree with that? I am a small girl, don't have power like you guys. so looking for the disc for a beginner. if you can give me some advice I appreciate it! Thank you for in advance.
Hi there, of all the power carving discs that I’ve used, kutzall is the most user friendly especially for new users. It doesn’t require much strength to use. To be safest you could start with a fine grit disc that will be less aggressive and easiest to handle. The first thing I ever did with an angle grinder was to power carve. I started with a Lancelot. I wish that I had started with a kutzall.
I had a lot of old pipes and rebar to cut up and from what I read ru-vid.comUgkxPDBfLu68o58Aw85O_J-zIFfjJARBhp-3 this would be the tool for the job. Since I had never used one, I watched a couple of youtube videos and I'm so glad I did. Some really good safety tips, which I followed, and this tool did a splendid job. One good thing to know is the weight of the tool puts just about the right amount of pressure on the metal I was cutting, so I didn't have to use a lot of pressure, which is more likely to jam the tool. It made fast work of my job.
GREAT vid - thanks! Question - do you think the turboplane could be used to cut vertical undulating waves around the periphery of a jewelry box? I did one before and used a flapper disc with a similar curved profile and while it made great waves, the grooves it left behind were holy hell to sand out! I know the turboplane cutters dont go all the way up the curve but even going halfway up like they do and holding the grinder at an angle, it seems like it would excellent waves. Thanks in advance for any opinions! R/Bowe
Hi Bo, thanks for your feedback. I think it’s possible to do what you’re describing but I haven’t done enough with the turboplane to say with confidence exactly what you could and couldn’t do in that type of project, or whether that approach would be better than a die grinder with a burr.
@@ToolMetrix Thank ya Bud. I picked one up and will try it. I think it will work as I have to hold the grinder at an angle to the box faces. Either way, I'll experiment with it and will make it so!
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Nobody should buy the chainsaw blade type attachment. Google the injury photos and videos.
@@ToolMetrix Don't use in a back and forth motion and always in a clockwise and never against the grain, been using the Lancelot for a number of yrs and these blades will kickback on you in tight corners. I'm 70 and still have all my digits and no holes in my torso. and also, your grinder should have a paddle switch, don't need a chainsaw bouncing betty causing havoc.
Good video, thank you. I'm a much tougher evaluator than you -- I will only buy the TurboPlane and the Kutzall because of quality, performance, safety, and fit to the grinder. I would like to see the cheapos disappear from the marketplace because of marginal everything. I can't stand these knockoff, cheaply produced junk tools. I agree that the chain cutter should be used with extreme caution and can probably be largely replaced with the TurboPlane. End of rant.
Potential customers should consider how desperately they want to make chips in that manner. Merely because a tool is sold doesn't make them a wise choice, especially for a mere hobby and one where (many) other stock removal options exist.
Great comparison! Watch the Stumpy Nubs video on chainsaw style grinder blades and it will make you think twice about using those: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-IIQu1e8DGUw.html
All of these tools require very careful use and are dangerous. But the Lancelot should be banned because when it grabs the wood you will lose the hold on the tool. So consider at some stage you will get a grab and you will have a hands free angle grinder beside you with a chainsaw blade doing its thing, ....do you feel lucky, well do you.
Most of these tools are very to extremely dangerous and you Not be promoting them. They should be BANNED because you can easily be severely injured or killed using them...
Many power tools are dangerous. Table saws and miter saws are among the top injury causing tools, yet many woodworkers still use them without incident every day. Choose your tools according to your risk tolerance and use good safety practices.
