Powered FRFR Cabinets Shootout - Line6 vs Atomic vs Friedman

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👆 Joss and Pete shoot out 3 FRFR cabinets with the Kemper and two Michael Britt Profiles.
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Friedman ASM-12 Active FRFR Cab - goo.gl/6EV4oL
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@TheVigilantStewards 4 года назад

Direct A/B/C shootout at Friedman > 30:56 Line 6 > 33:14 Atomic > 35:46

@ZachPetch 2 года назад

Unrelated, but wearing a good pair of headphones, after clicking that first timestamp, you can practically feel Pete's stomping on the floor during the Friedman demo. That sounds/feels really cool. But anyway, thanks for posting this, Carmelo. It's exactly what I was looking for.

@TheVigilantStewards 2 года назад

@@ZachPetch Foot tapping good :) Foot thumping better! No problem

@SpedSpedding 6 лет назад

Love the fact you were saying... “You know we’re not close micing it up, we’re using room and clip on mics so trust our judgement....” First tones are absolutely outstanding. 🤘🏻😂😂😂😂

@guitarsimon1 6 лет назад

Ooo, and a comparison between using the IR in the Helix with the Powercab flat, and the IR in the Powercab would be appreciated also!

@trentsaggus6247 6 лет назад

I'd second that with a whole Line6 setup (variax, helix, powercab) and how easy/hard it is, the tones and anything else

@AJG76 5 лет назад

I tried the line 6 and the Friedman this morning and ended up buying the Friedman ...thought it had more ‘weight’ to the sound, I’m using Britt patches and IRS on Helix ....each to their own I guess! Nice playing Pete;)

@michaelpietzsch 6 лет назад

0:00 Atomic / 9:57 Line6 / 19:35 Friedman

@nickblindlemon3383 6 лет назад

Using an Alto TS212 and a TS312 (same as Headrush I believe) in stereo. Sound pretty damn good and about the same price as the Powercab for the two!

@patrickmoore3672 4 года назад

Freidman is good for high gain 5150 style metal. Line 6 falls apart on high gain metal. Atomic is good all around but like the Freidman, much to expensive.

@latrite2542 6 лет назад

Is it just me or do other people use Lee's gifted PRS more than Lee does?

@HPPrintervx4p5q 6 лет назад

Trevor McCloughan yeah... lee isn't the biggest prs fan

@gabrielthornmusic 3 года назад

Any particular reason why Andertons does never talk about the Axe FX?

@foxmeisteruk 3 года назад

They can't sell them!

@TheDankCat127 3 года назад

AxeFX only sells direct, they don’t use dealers.

@foxmeisteruk 3 года назад

@@TheDankCat127 They only sell direct in the US. For example, if you want one in Europe, you have to go to g66.eu.

@lcpholman 6 лет назад

You will have to trust our judgement: 0:35 Let's call it jazz and move on :)

@guitarsimon1 6 лет назад

Fingers crossed for a Line 6 Powercab speaker sims vs real speakers... ;)

@tomaburque 5 лет назад

I'm not in the market for any of this stuff. I watch these videos because they are so entertaining. Keep em coming :-)

@vidicsferenc182 6 лет назад

you can get a cheap 800w power amp like a crown one and a great 4x12 v30 cab for the price of these cabs. and it will sound better

@RyanChansler 6 лет назад

The selling point of the power cab is the 6 speaker sims that promise amp in the room feel. This just showcases the frfr mode which Line 6 has even said is more frfrish because the speaker is a guitar speaker, not a pa speaker. It's cool that you guys liked it just a little less than the Atomic considering it's not the main focus of the product. You need to do a video that showcases the speaker models next.

@MrDavemiley 5 лет назад

I'd like to grab that Princeton profile for my Kemper .

@lamech006 6 лет назад

I've heard of cookies and algorithms but this is nuts. I was just looking at Kemper and FRFR yesterday

@JMBvideo 2 года назад

We know

@xprophet9 5 лет назад

I’ve had them all and the Friedman is spectacular. The Line Sux well...atomic can be ice pick painful but great if used properly. Fractal Axe Fx III because there is nothing better!

@TheVigilantStewards 4 года назад

I also thought Friedman was nice.... I wonder what playing through an LR Baggs would sound like? Their new pa with the horn

@Adieu 5 лет назад

how would the new laney FRFR compare to these two? havent seen many reviews on it yet

@UseTheSupeRsonic 2 месяца назад

What’s funny is that these speakers sound like recorded, close-miced tones, but aren’t close-miced. Amp/cab snobs are triggered!

@Wes2578 6 лет назад

Pete, when is the helix + power cab video coming? Purrrrrlease, thank you.

@jkym3706 6 лет назад

please please do one for basses with FRFR cabs

@wenisinvietnam 6 лет назад

It's simple. I see Pete in the thumbnail and I click

@Guitaural. 6 лет назад

Wonder if the Kemper is up for a redesign, or if they're just waiting for me to buy one first ; ) Anyone heard anything about their future plans? (and yes, I know they don't HAVE to redesign it because it works fine)...

@jake2355 5 лет назад

Yeah I have the same worry. I just know - knowing my luck - I’ll fork out the £1,700 for one and they’ll bring out an upgraded V.2 making mine worth it’s weight in shit

@Prometheus4096 5 лет назад

@@jake2355 Your Kemper 1.0 will be just as good as it was before, if they release a Kemper 2.0. But I understand your point, though.

@eddiezandqoystudio 10 месяцев назад

What is the best FRFR for boss GT1000? And Is it better to use FRFR for Boss GT1000 or a normal guitar tube amp through return input directly?

@timothymailloux7257 Год назад

52lbs for the friedman isnt really that heavy when youre coming from using heads and 4x12s lol and saying you might as well get a 2x12 and power amp is silly. A 2x12 is heavier AND you have to pay for a poweramp ontop of that where its all built into the friedman.

@user-fk5lu6jp8p 6 лет назад

The best cab is always the one Pete plays through - no exceptions.

@ty_sd 6 лет назад

Would have loved to see a mission gemini 1 or 2 thrown in there as well :)

@markk9184 5 лет назад

They're too heavy.....waaaah

@archkarr18 5 лет назад

Where can a guy find a video of some shredding on these cabs? They all sound ok with blues and clean sounds.

@WarrenPostma 6 лет назад

I hope this puts a lot of guitarists in the mood to sell their sweet old tube amps for cheap as they run after this new funky stuff. i mean I like this. But I still haven't even bought one really ass-kicking tube amp. can't bloody afford it. maybe this will help

@greatreset3 6 лет назад

First off, if Headrush ever releases their FR cab, (promised months ago, WTF?) at $300 and 2000 watts, should be the best value. Also, when you add presets and all kinds of tone shaping features doesnt that make it NOT a Flat Response unit??? 🎵🎸

@philedwards5110 4 года назад

Lovely tune at the end. Got me liking the Friedman. You're clearly enjoying it.

@peterjessop1878 6 лет назад

Don't get this at all. What's the point of having speaker emulation inside a speaker cabinet if your helix/headrush/Boss is already using an IR. Just use a normal active PA cab or decent monitor.

@wingee 6 лет назад

Having owned a Friedman ASM12 the thing it's got that others don't have is the cabinet thump when palm muting. Try a high gain profile and djenting through it, you'll see why the weight and construction makes a difference. Think of it like an open back 2x12 and a closed back 2x12, the ASM12 is more like a closed back.

@ahmedrashed78 5 лет назад

Do you still have it

@auntjenifer7774 4 года назад

Dude my head rush pedal board through an open back vox tube amp has so much low end thunk with speaker sims and it these days you can have whatever you want.

@dannyinaus 6 лет назад

The Atomic Wedge is WIN, Line 6 is best with gain on, Friedman, best with humbuckers and gain on. So if I had money to burn, I would go the Atomic Wedge.

@torbenmeldgaard8112 3 года назад

I think an important point about the PC plus is that it has two inputs (versus 1 in the smaller brother). And the 2nd can be set to FRFR while using speakerprofiles/IR in input one. Sounds KILLER with my piano. So - don't use the "two inputs" argument for buying the Atomic. Get the "plus"

@hawedehre 6 лет назад

I don't get it. I do have PA speakers in all sizes and a passive Kemper. Why should I get such a FR cab? Just because of the visual? I will try using a amp module and guitar cab instead. So three options but still no idea which sounds best.

@tdz69 11 месяцев назад

Friedman actually sounded the most appealing to me. Then again listening through my phone

@МихаилЛогинов-я8э 4 года назад

Hi there! Regular wedge converted to 'FRFR guitar cab' (by attaching Friedman logo) isn't actually suitable for guitar use. Joss said that Friedman sound a bit fizzy but Pete said is't ok, and I can tell why. Joss is seating closer to the tweeter than Pete is! So easy to imagine how inconvenient you can feel yourself moving on stage around this cab. Traditional guitar cabs have pretty wide direction diagram and players got used to it. So it's better to use wide range or coaxial speakers for FRFR guitar cabs. After all Atomic sounds best, Line6 - rules.

@phel21 6 лет назад

I miss the Mission Gemini 2 in this comparison as Andertons sell Mission products. Maybe also one of the high-end Blueamps units (Spark or Beast), but Blueamps (.de) like Fractal (AXE-FX) only sell direct. These are all stereo units, and while there is not much separation with all speakers in one box it still does wonders to the sound. It's the closest to the "amp in the room" feel you can get with cab-sim and FRFR. My rating of the various FRFR cabinets I've had the opportunity to try both for practise and gigs: 1. Tie between Mission Gemini II and Blueamps Spark. Both are 2-speaker stereo units. 2. Atomic CLR (neo) 3. Dynacord AXM 12A 4. Yamaha DSR112 (DSR115 when used with a bass) 4. Yamaha DXR10/12

@eryckcrypton6412 6 лет назад

Blueamps = Blug?

@markk9184 5 лет назад

No love for the Friedman ASC-12?

@markk9184 5 лет назад

No love for the Friedman ASC-12? Just curious. I have the Gemini 2.

@ariraphiel39 6 лет назад

They look related Father & son, like some Back to the Future stuff

@thomascraig74ify Год назад

Well I figured out fr fr cabs match helix or kemper or whatever

@dwg116 6 лет назад

awesome review! I wish there were more reviews like this as more and more people are going the modeler route.

@JM-eq3sx 6 лет назад

The Powercab only has one input. The Powercab Plus has 3, if you count the L6 link, but two combo inputs with 1/4 / XLR jacks. The Powercab will work with anything that the others do. What makes it unique is its speaker modeling (not to be confused with cabinet IRs) along with various FRFR options. Maybe Paul Hindmarsh could come in and give you guys a class on everything the PC+ can do. It's an amazing little cabinet. You may still prefer the tone and performance of the Atomic, etc, but you haven't even scratched the surface with the Powercab. Great review though, thanks for putting this together!

@johngonzales8224 Год назад

why didn't you include the Headrush frfr 112?

@CristiNeagu 6 лет назад

Next time please include a normal active speaker, so we can see why these FRFR cabinets cost so much.

@simonrourke1978 5 лет назад

When are Andertons going to release their range of Parden Garties?

@teerexness 5 лет назад

So my question is, why shouldn't powered, full-range PA speakers be considered in this category also? I actually use a JBL EON 615 PA speaker as an FRFR speaker for my Helix. It works so well, I'm failing to understand the need for a "real" FRFR speaker. It's a PA speaker, so it's light, durable, loud and reasonably accurate. 1000 watts, and $400 new at Sweetwater now. Get two if you want real stereo! The economy of scale advantage obviously goes to the PA speakers. It seems to me that this FRFR speaker thing is kind of a solution looking for a problem that's already been solved. Just my $0.02.

@patrickfitzgerald2861 5 лет назад

Yep. I run my multi-effects pedals into a Behringer mixer with two Behringer 220 watt B210s. Although I'm not trying to pretend that this is "pro" level gear, the whole outfit cost less than any one of these cabs and, as you noted, it's stereo. Oh, and it sounds good and is plenty loud.

@tappistrt 5 лет назад

PA speakers in plastic cabs aren't going to resonate like wood cabs, especially baltic birch. Go try one in person.

@goldmole1 5 лет назад

Larry Carlton already uses a setup with two small PA cabs longtime.

@el34superlead 6 лет назад

You guys convinced me of one thing... I need to try a Fender Princeton ;)

@5F6Reverb 6 лет назад

el34superlead You won't be disappointed, they're lovely Amps.

@Just_lift_anyone 6 лет назад

That tone at 7:47 is naughtier than a nun' s arse! Love it!

@mooferoo 6 лет назад

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pj6iTuuonpM.html

@Just_lift_anyone 6 лет назад

@Guitaural. 6 лет назад

Hmmm...Maybe have been a couple of wacked exceptions throughout history, but I never associated nuns with naughty arses...pornstars maybe... those cabs do sound GOOD though!

@AndrewReynolds1 6 лет назад

I’ve been waiting to hear the Line6 Powercab compared. I would like to hear it in its other modes too though. I really enjoyed Joss’s playing in this video too (I always enjoy Pete’s).

@PuRe_AdDicT 6 лет назад

The only guit-tube not running Walrus Emissary today ...

@lunawroblewski 6 лет назад

I do something similar but I'm just using a 100 watt 12" Floor monitor with my tech 21 sans amp. Go direct with that and the monitor is just for stage volume

@christianwheeler8386 6 лет назад

Joss reminds me of the band manager from Flight of the Concords, lol.

@CentaurusRelax314 6 лет назад

I am not seeing that. At all.

@Foghat1961 2 года назад

Here's my solution. Take an old Fender Cybertwin, replace the speakers with Celestion F12-X200, dial out everything on the amp, take the outputs from your 'modeller' (Kemper Stage in my case) and plug them into the stereo returns on the Cybertwin. Then just match the EQ from your monitor to the PA. Sounds great, looks great.

@Highcastle_of_Tone 6 лет назад

Subjectivity of listening through my monitors considering the signal chain they described, the Atomic just sounded fuller and more three dimensional to my ears.

@SingSurfStrum Год назад

Hey Everyone, I have a Yam THR 30ii that has two balanced Line Outs via 1/4” Jacks. Would one of these fatten my sound? Or can I just connect the THR 30ii straight into my Marshall AS50 Acoustic amp for the same improvement?

@dukegdl 5 лет назад

It is a myth that any processor will have optimal performance with FRFR speakers. I've tried it with the headrush speakers and three different equipment ... the POD HD500, Fractal AX 8, Helix and all the simulated amplifier software in the net like Bias, Helix Native, THU Overload, Gitar rig, amplitube, etc. All require an arduous work of equalization that in most cases ... (except in Fractal and THU) is exhausting and not very profitable.

@Claimjumper55 6 лет назад

For pure FRFR, out of the 3 I'd take the Atomic. It's great to see the Powercab do so well when pure FRFR wasn't their goal. It would be cool to see the Atomic vs the Yamaha DXR and QSC PA speakers.

@JJDPROMEDIAPRODUCTION 6 лет назад

I gig with a DXR (15) with my Rp1000..Killer Killer Tone!! I can't wait to get my Axe AX8.

@guitarist100 Год назад

Wanting to replace my Frfr108 it's to much low end ,powercab 112 ? Any thoughts?

@DreaScarlett 4 месяца назад

I came here for the FRFR cabinets and got treated to some beautiful guitar playing. This is some serious soul!

@Doty6String 5 лет назад

how about a good old fashioned QSC wedge

@MrXeberdee Год назад

It's not a mistake, it's Jazz. The lick at 0:35 sounds to me like Scofield playing semi tone up on Red Baron :) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bN9Vaml0dZE.html

@ThePlemon 6 лет назад

Also hoping for a Headrush FRFR review when you get a hold of it

@jhonfelo 6 лет назад

I wonder why you guys at Anderton's never mention the AXE FX when it comes to modelers and digital platforms... Also, summary of the video: "Yeap"!

@zachmusic4511 6 лет назад

Jhon Felipe Vivas I've heard them just mention it but they'll never demo it or anything; because Fractal sells direct.

@Highcastle_of_Tone 6 лет назад

I always notice that as well, but I assume it’s because they don’t sell it. A pretty big omission when discussing modelers, but I can understand why.

@legendfpv 6 лет назад

because they dont sell it

@MartinCraneRockbeast 4 года назад

They only get them in second hand.

@garycrant4511 6 лет назад

Semi pro pub and social club guitarists could just as well consider far more affordable and versatile Laney Audiohub range of combos [Even better value for money 2nd hand]. Playing through amp & cab modellers, or low watt valve amp and reactive attenuated impulse devices, they sound acceptably good enough for practical small gig purposes. I paid only 80 quid for a used one off ebay. The only crap thing about them is the carpet fabric cab covering. Why did the speaker cab industry ever think that was a good idea...??? [I've got old version AH80 with spring reverb, and new version AH150 with digital Reverb]

@riffwrath6236 2 года назад

if speakers SOUND can not be duplicated thru youtube. then upload a few sound wave files to your server. so the viewers can make their own decisions based on sounds without the youtube destruction. without the explanations and back and forth banter that the viewer does not require.

@pmacfto 6 лет назад

Joss - leave some space dude! :p Nice intro jam otherwise

@jjvillafanemusic 4 года назад

It baffles me to see two players next to each other playing with a looper 🤔

@scshepherd 4 года назад

VILŁɅFɅÑE well, it’s a demo. I’m sure if it were a performance they would put something better together. But they do a million of these and need to be quick and consistent 🤷🏻‍♂️

@tawnstones7427 3 года назад

There’s only one input for the frfr

@dincorcelles 2 года назад

So one could sip coffee after a solo😂

@Livelaughlimpbizkit 4 года назад

I HATED modellers, was super against them but being in a shared flat and not playing live at the moment I felt like my tube amp was not being properly utilised. I checked out the strymon iridium and holy shit I love it, to me it’s barely any difference and in fact the strymon sounds like a cranked tube amp so possibly sounds better. Anyways my point to all this is I bought a headrush 1x12 frfr cab, theyre £300 and I think it sounds incredible, literally sounds amazing. I think they’re really underrated, you never see anyone speaking about them but save yourself a ton of money and check one out

@MrKnisterable 4 года назад

Hey folks. You are making many great videos. But nobody made a video of speaker beam so far. So many of us wanna know if a Vintage 30 beams more than an Eminence Wizard or WGS invader. We wanna know which speaker beams the most and which the least... Please please! Please make such a video

@LordSonny94 5 лет назад

Can you please do this with some more affordable once?! :)

@marc12marc 2 года назад

What is the best FRFR cab for cleans. Alnico blue emulation ?

@MrMarkduke123 Год назад

This video cost $100 in shipping cost. The line 6 sounds like a stereo speaker. Thanks guys over the pond.

@rmp5s 6 лет назад

Why do you guys hate the Axe-FX? lol Always talking about Kemper, Helix, now the GT10000000...even the HeadRush. NEVER do I hear anyone on this channel so much as mention the Axe-FX. Why?

@andertons 6 лет назад

Nobody hates the Axe FX - it’s just not for sale via any retailers. Axe FX sell direct.

@rmp5s 6 лет назад

Ah. But you guys sell Kempers? I don't think I've ever seen one of those in a store, either. And Helix...I know I've seen those in stores. Guess you guys just really love the Kemper. lol

@KrisGee 6 лет назад

Yes they sell kemper, I bought mine from Andertons. It's also easier to dial tones in on kemper for video reviews like this due to traditional amp like controls on kemper's front panel, no need to dig through sub menus. Sound wise I'm sure every modeller has something special about them.

@legendfpv 6 лет назад

and there it is.

@romeou4965 3 года назад

anyone try the FRFR Tech21 Power Engine Deuce Deluxe (1x12", wood build, rear ports, HPF/LPF, switchable tweeter)?

@tommyjoe4310 Год назад

Nice job..... On my end the Friedman sounded better though

@JWCFB 4 года назад

Ive noticed from watching gear reviews in Europe that its quite acceptable to interrupt people while they are talking and talk over them. Its quite annoying to the point where i prefer one person reviews. Whatever happened to politeness?

@bedemccarthy9875 6 лет назад

Good video - have you guys tried the Bose S1 as a home use case for guitar modellers? These three seem designed for stage use at volume ...

@screamalongsongs 6 лет назад

Yes S1 was great with my Kemper but it has a sweet spot right in the middle of the volume control on each channel on the S1. The second you turn it down below half it’s super dark sounding.

@orbithesun1 6 лет назад

FRFR is the new industry term to get suckers to buy another piece of useless gear. Keep chasing unicorns!

@Chanok69 2 года назад

The best thing about these videos is when the captain isn’t in them cutting everybody off when they’re explaining anything.

@MrStephenlederle 6 лет назад

This video is missing the point with the Powercab. The main point of the Powercab is the speaker emulations, the flat mode is kind of a add on that can be used, but not the primary focus. That's what makes it so unique when compared with the competition. This video did not do it justice.

@auwdioslave 6 лет назад

What's the difference between an FRFR cab and a normal active floor monitor?? I've never understood the need for this special category, except maybe for the visual aspect...

@MankiHerNaNDex 5 лет назад

Anyone knows what kind of mount is the kemper in? because thats the rack version but it looks like a fender head or something like that, i would love to know how to make a kemper rack version look like that

@seanbrooks2583 4 года назад

I know i'm a little late to this video but I use a self powered PA speaker to play my helix / looper through. Is a FRFR speaker going to give me a better sound ? (not accounting for quality of the individual products, just as a general concept)

@timparker4228 3 года назад

Joss is cool and all, but I can't stop thinking it's Jimmy Fallon doing a skit

@srmd22 6 лет назад

I think you are missing the point a little bit on the Friedman. While I agree, I would not purchase it due to the weight, it is still not as if the alternative is a tube amp/cab with pedals. The modeling solution is still providing a completely different experience and level of versatility in terms of an affordable flexible switching alternative with monitoring and FOH options that are just not available to the traditional amp user (and I prefer the latter myself, but use a Helix too sometimes).

@ClaudioGiraud 6 лет назад

hey guys...what the hell are you drinking?? milk + cocoa??

@davemarshall9153 6 лет назад

Love your information. Too much noodling. Quick back to back with the same riffs would be great.

@_GOV_ 6 лет назад

What enclosure is that for your Kemper rack? Looking for one that isn't full rack depth, just the depth of the Kemper.

@nathanmontover1436 6 лет назад

Thanks for this! Super helpful and relevant!

@333Lightspeed 6 лет назад

The real and (not properly) English men, with a glass of tea.....:-) that sounds tremendous.:-)

@iwct 6 лет назад

Hi Andertons guys - would this be a good option to pair with a Roland GR55? I don’t want to stick it into the band PA.

@lukasvandewiel860 4 года назад

Did you guys remove the handle at the bottom? It looks as if it is standing very stable.

@rokero171 6 лет назад

The Friedman was a disappointment for me, only looks like a guitar cab, but it is basically a wedge monitor in a fancy box, while the Atomic and the Line 6 are tweaked for the use with guitar, and sounds better too. A JBL with 12' speaker for me is a lot better option than the Friedman.

@officialWWM 6 лет назад

Shouldn't all FRFR cabs sound exactly alike by definition?

@cosmicdog2000 5 лет назад

No.

@ahall3823 5 лет назад

In a perfect world, they would.

@jacoobyslaps 5 лет назад

Technically

@mysticsailor9 5 лет назад

Yes, they should..the reality is that FRFR is an oxymoron..

@jerryrichardson5545 5 лет назад

Not really. QSC, JBL, EV, etc all make a 12" two way PA speaker, they all have similar response curves yet they all have a different sonic signature due to the cone material used, compression driver diaphragm material, shape of the waveguide, crossover point, cabinet design, etc, etc. A birch ply cabinet will sound different than an injection molded enclosure. All of these FRFR's vary in the same way.