Prabhupada, Hare Krishna, Sexism, and Misogyny 

Being vegan and being a good person sounds about right to me!

No being vegan is also a cult. Call it plant based.

@@Dina_Bandhu_Dasa Veganism is based on ethics and morality and science. Not cheap sentiment like religion.

@@BishopSasarai no veganism is a cult

@@Dina_Bandhu_Dasa ISKCON is a cult with gurus who take everyone's money while doing no work

Kamadeva Dasa If you had done that you would have been expelled.

That would not have made any difference to me. My relationship is with Radha and Krishna directly anyway. And in fact he may have actually appreciated me calling that out in fact. He has appeared in various dreams and indicated that he does appreciate me calling these things out. But even if he "threw me out" I would not have felt any malice and I would just have kept on going the way I am now. My practice is not defined by him or anyone else other than myself and Radha directly.

@@TheLustyDoll You Should Hear The Full Conversation. This controversy is silly, for it’s a common sense that rape cannot be pleasurable to the victim. But welcome to the age of Kali, where common sense itself is uncommon. There’s a psychology known as confirmation bias. Ideally one should follow where the evidence leads us, but people with confirmation bias by hook or crook make the evidences to comfirm their already established goal, they force the evidences to comfirm the already imagined conclusion. Because they are already envious of the Hare Krishna Movement, they have the confirmation bias to this extant that such silly allegations are also not rare these days. Srila Prabhupada in his books & recorded talks has ‘n’ number of times condemned Illicit sex. Even union without the purpose of procreation is condemned by Srila Prabhupada. However, here are few instances of Srila Prabhupada himself admitting that rape is torturous to women- Srila Prabhupada’s Lecture on BG 1.36 -London, July 26, 1973- “Innocent women, they are very much harassed after the war by the victorious party. You know, the soldiers are given freedom to rape the women.” Srila Prabhupada during his Morning Walk -April 20, 1974, Hyderabad - “That Central Park, nobody can walk there. I have heard from many women that they rape. The negros, they capture and rape. Life is unsafe even in a civilized city like New York.” Here itself, the entire propaganda of the opposition has been destroyed. Now, let’s draw our attention on the opponents’ most cherry picked quote from a morning walk of Srila Prabhupada where he said ‘women like rape’. The miscreants quote this again and again like a broken take recorder! There’s another place where Srila Prabhupada said women like rape, i.e. in his commentary on SB 4.25.41. It’s such a ironic defeat for the miscreants, because there if we check the sentence in it’s entirety, Srila Prabhupada in the morning walk clearly said that women like rape ‘sometimes’. The miscreants deliberately removed the term ‘sometimes’. The use of the term ‘sometimes’ by Srila Prabhupada indicates it’s an exceptional case. It depends on various factors such as how did the attack take place, was it gang rape, was it violent, was the victim very lusty, etc. And for that Srila Prabhupada cites the story of a rape case from Calcutta (currently known as Kolkata), where the victim was left alive and not killed by the rapist. The attack wasn’t violent. The victim herself in the story was made to admit to the court that she felt some pleasure although she was raped. Who on earth would be that dumb to say that? if it was truly a brutal rape assault? What Srila Prabhupada stressed in there is the psychology of women liking aggressive and forced sex, not necessarily be it rape, because rape is cruel. But rarely, it is also in the form of rape, and therefore Srila Prabhupada uses the term ‘sometimes’. And that’s what Srila Prabhupada meant to say. Forced sex gives a particular mellow which is liked by the one who is extremely lusty, be it any gender. According to the reports based on search results, and the like, forced sex is one of the most famous pornography on the porn websites. In 1985, Louis H. Janda, an associate professor of psychology at Old Dominion University, said that the sexual fantasy of being raped is the most common sexual fantasy for women. A 1988 study by Pelletier and Herold found that over half of their female respondents had fantasies of forced sex. Srila Prabhupada himself explains it while commenting on SB 4.25.41, as follows- “A man is always famous for his aggression toward a beautiful woman, and such aggression is sometimes considered rape. Although rape is not legally allowed, it is a fact that a woman likes a man who is very expert at rape.” Here again, we see the term ‘sometimes’. The man should also be ‘expert’ which indicates that the woman although hesitant initially, succumbs to the man’s ‘expert’ aggression and enjoys the attention and experience. In the very next verse (4.25.42) we find in the Sanskrit the term ‘ghrina-uddhata’, meaning “aggressive mercy.” In this verse, the woman in the story of Bhagavatam, is expressing her attraction towards the man even more openly, saying: “Actually you relieve the distress of husbandless women like us by your attractive smile and your aggressive mercy. We think that you are traveling on the surface of the earth just to benefit us only.” And commenting on the above verse, Srila Prabhupada says- “When a husbandless woman is attacked by an aggressive man, she takes his action to be mercy.” Objection- In most of the rape cases, the helpless victims seek pleasure in the moment, but that doesn’t mean they chose to be raped, or that they liked the experience. Refutation- Where's the 'objection' in this? that's what Srila Prabhupada meant to say aswell. Srila Prabhupada nowhere said that in these special cases the victims enjoyed the experience completely. He himself cites a rape case from Calcutta as an example. The woman had dragged the rapist to the court although she did feel some pleasure, as described by Prabhupada himself. Of course she didn't want to be raped, otherwise why would she had filed a case? and why would Srila Prabhupada quote this story at all? In some cases the victim is helpless and is forced to feel pleasure. True. But in some other cases the victims are already extremely lusty. They are helpless in a different sense, meaning they liked the experience but is forced to feel displeased, because there are many consequences of being raped such as possible pregnancy, danger to our social status, damage to their chastity in the eyes of others, etc. They are 'helpless' & 'forced' to dislike the rape in total. Of course this isn't the case for everyone as many have strict chastity vows.

​I'm fully aware of the "context" of all this conversation. That is precisely WHY it pisses me off so much. Prabhupada KNEW better than to say this stuff but he did anyway. So the "context" in this case is more or less irrelevant. The main thing is he never apologized or acknowledged he was being cruel in laughing about such things and saying such things. Yeah "sometimes" some crazy people like the idea of being amputated and all sorts of crazy off the wall shit. By definition you can't actually "like to be raped" as it is sexual exploitation against one's will. So what if "sometimes" someone gets sexual pleasure from it? Its irrelevant to this point. If that was the case, it would actually by definition NOT be rape at all. The other point is ITS STILL CRUEL AND CRIMINAL. There is therefore NO point in saying such things. You can say "sometimes" about people liking ANYTHING. "Sometimes people who have Stockholm Syndrome "like" being abused" Which is a SYMPTOM of their abuse by the way. So women supposedly "sometimes liking" to be raped would just be a type of stockholm syndrome, a symptom OF their abuse in fact. Which makes it even worse and even more cruel to laugh about! Saying that stuff helps no one and is cruel, especially laughing about it. Which he never apologized for or made amends for. He never owned up to what he said there. The fact is Prabhupada never apologized for laughing about saying that "women like to be raped sometimes" Its the laughing part that was especially saddening. He could have EASILY apologized for that and made amends to all the people he would have known would not understand him properly. He would agree with me on this too if he was around today. Each individual has to take responsibility for what they say, including teachers. Your statement that people call this out because they are "envious" of the Hare Krishna movement makes no sense at all. No, they are just calling out unnecessary cruelty where they see it. That has nothing to do with "envy" whatsoever. In fact it has to do with actually CARING about the victims he was laughing about. The EXACT OPPOSITE of envy! There is nothing to be "envious" of in the first place anyway. LOL I myself am a Hare Krishna and take my practice very seriously and even I call this out. I am FOR the Hare Krishna movement, the good aspects of it that is. I'm not "envious" of it. Neither are people who are not Hare Krishnas either. Why in the world would we be "envious" of our own practice? That makes no sense at all. Its not "miscreant" for people to actually care about others and to want teachers to own up to what they say and apologize for being cruel in what they say and do. That is just basic compassion.

@@TheLustyDoll You Quoted "The main thing is he never apologized or acknowledged he was being cruel in laughing about such things and saying such things. Yeah "sometimes" some crazy people like the idea of being amputated and all sorts of crazy off the wall shit." If you analyze Srila Prabhupada's every statement thoroughly then you'll understand that it is his style to speak less, direct and non-generic even if the people may not be able to digest it. For example when Alfred Ford met Srila Prabhupada for the first time then Srila Prabhupada only said to him that “Where is Henry Ford now?” this single statement of him made Henry Ford a Lord Kṛṣṇa devotee and a renound member of ISKCON. This single event completely describes about Srila Prabhupada's ability to observe people's nature, he knew that which statement can convert a material person to spiritual. Hence we need to understand that Srila Prabhupada haven't said women like rape in ignorance or to demean women's position but on the other hand he just said the nature of women in a non-generic way. You Quoted "By definition you can't actually "like to be raped" as it is sexual exploitation against one's will. So what if "sometimes" someone gets sexual pleasure from it? Its irrelevant to this point. If that was the case, it would actually by definition NOT be rape at all" Rape & Illicit Defined Today, the definition of rape has become synonymous with brutal assault. But for Srila Prabhupada, his definition is based on the social standards and laws of Vedic society and thus seems to be much different at its root, and broader in its application, as noted in his use of the term in the story of King Puranjana, Srimad-Bhagavatam, Fourth Canto, Chapter 25. While the common definition today for rape is a forceful penetration without consent, it was not so long ago when rape was used in a broader sense, i.e., to rape the land, to seize or plunder or to seize or plunder womanhood, virginity. It was further then defined as sex against society’s norms and/or law. To understand what type of sex, for Srila Prabhupada, falls within the purview of “against society’s laws and norms” one need only look to a word very commonly used by Srila Prabhupada, illicit. Illicit is defined as “outside of the law; illegal; illegitimate.” For Srila Prabhupada, raised in West Bengal a century ago, and living a life of Vedic standards, his definition of rape and illicit were understood through the eyes of very different social applications. All devotees accepting initiation must follow four regulative principles, one of which is “no illicit sex.” While the definition of no illicit sex may vary slightly, all devotees would agree that at a minimum, it means no sex outside of marriage. So, what is rape for Srila Prabhupada? How do we understand the use of rape and illicit in their everyday application and in his purport to the story of King Puranjana. In both instances, they in fact refer to all sex performed outside of marriage. Let us look more closely at the use of the word rape in the context of this very same Srimad-Bhagavatam purport, and while reading this text, consider: What is the act being described that Srila Prabhupada is using to exemplify his definition of rape. In this context, is this act of rape consensual? You may find it helpful, as a reminder of the tone and mood of the original passage in Srimad-Bhagavatam, to reread that section. It is, in fact, the description of “a woman enjoying rape,” as commented on by Srila Prabhupada. It will also be good for those who are unfamiliar with the actual passage to read it.

Absolutely, that’s the lie people in Iskcon use to justify all the bad stuff. Prabhupada is perfect, the teachings are pure but bad disciples corrupted everything. The truth is all the bad stuff came from the source. And that’s why there never will be a good version of this religion all the bad stuff is inextricably woven in with whatever good ideas there might be. Anyhow, congrats on having the courage to face the truth and move on!!!

there is a stable understanding within ISKCON, that Prabhupada is pure devotee. It is also said that only pure devotee can recognize pure devotee, so who recognized him?

Prabhufraud is a good title

@@territmoderitmo9190 if i have four defects how can I know who is the pure devotee? especially when they lie about Prabhufraud and make claims about him that are false and he makes false claims about himself? its all based on lies.

Good. It is very dangerous, and a house of cards/

Sri Ramakrishna and Ramana Maharshi are two very genuine gurus of fairly recent times.

Krishna Consciousness is very different than mundane material life. Some concepts are very controversial. But, these concepts are the way the material world actually is working. Don't be deluded. The present age is an age where everything is wrong. And as this present age progresses, it will not get any better, it will get worse. But, the solice is that this material world is not where any living entity belongs. All living entities are meant to live in the Spiritual Realm. The material world is a place of suffering. The material world, often seems unfair. On the other hand, the Spiritual World is completely conscious and full of true happiness. That is where we belong. Don't let your so-called modern education and modern values rob you of the great opportunity available to you in this human form of life.

Shame on you !@@jcooks108 After hearing all this you are still trying to emotionally coerce someone to follow that vile and grotesque person's utterly false cult?! Wake up to yourself friend, he said we never went to the moon because it is a planet that's further from the sun the earth and the universe is 4 billion miles across. ACBS was an uneducated goose. You are being lied to. Get out, grow up and seek truths elsewhere.

Thanks :)

Plus they’re not written by a cult leader or associated with a cult!!!

Daivi hy eśa guna mayī mam māyā duratyaya

I wish we could get Gita Press books, at that price, here in the USA. From my research, I wanted the Srimad Bhagavadgita - Sadhaka-Sanjivani , 2 Volume Set, with commentary by Swami Ramsukhdas- I found the set on the Vedanta website for a total price, with shipping for $29.00.

Done!!

I Have Read Gita's From All Most All Writers Like Gitapress , Swami Vivekananda, Mahatma Gandhi Etc. and Even Foriegn Writers But Couldn't Get That Connect But When I Came Across ISKCON And read Srila Prabhupada's Bhagvad Gita As It Is I Got That Connect There's Absolutely No Difference Between Gitapress And As It Is By Prabhupad Infact You'll Find More Detail In As It Is By Srila Prabhupad, So I Would Recommend You To Read It The Most Misinterpretation Are Done In Mahatma Gandhi Geeta So Absolutely Not Recommended And Please Don't Talk In Air Your Comms Seem You Never Read Gita Just Heard From Someone

I am in love with Krsna 🙏🙏🙏 but the Bhagavad Gita of ISKCON is corrupted... There are many mistranslation...

I knew you were an ex hare krsna when I saw you chilling with the babajis in india smoking chilliams. Dont you think though Prabhupada married an 11 year old was just part of the culture and in extent he was just a product of the times. Love your videos.

Awesome, glad you found this!! I guess I should watch it and make a response video haha. Just out of curiosity, what did you search after watching the peacock documentary?

You’re welcome :)

It honestly makes me so, so happy to know you found this video at a young age! There will always be men who try to oppress women, men who think they are better than women, men who abuse women. Stay strong and never let any man tell you they are better or smarter than you!

@@GauraRader Please stop speculating about Prabhupada, if you cannot see the wider picture.

​@@GauraRader This controversy is silly, for it’s a common sense that rape cannot be pleasurable to the victim. But welcome to the age of Kali, where common sense itself is uncommon. There’s a psychology known as confirmation bias. Ideally one should follow where the evidence leads us, but people with confirmation bias by hook or crook make the evidences to comfirm their already established goal, they force the evidences to comfirm the already imagined conclusion. Because they are already envious of the Hare Krishna Movement, they have the confirmation bias to this extant that such silly allegations are also not rare these days. Srila Prabhupada in his books & recorded talks has ‘n’ number of times condemned Illicit sex. Even union without the purpose of procreation is condemned by Srila Prabhupada. However, here are few instances of Srila Prabhupada himself admitting that rape is torturous to women- Srila Prabhupada’s Lecture on BG 1.36 -London, July 26, 1973- “Innocent women, they are very much harassed after the war by the victorious party. You know, the soldiers are given freedom to rape the women.” Srila Prabhupada during his Morning Walk -April 20, 1974, Hyderabad - “That Central Park, nobody can walk there. I have heard from many women that they rape. The negros, they capture and rape. Life is unsafe even in a civilized city like New York.” Here itself, the entire propaganda of the opposition has been destroyed. Now, let’s draw our attention on the opponents’ most cherry picked quote from a morning walk of Srila Prabhupada where he said ‘women like rape’. The miscreants quote this again and again like a broken take recorder! There’s another place where Srila Prabhupada said women like rape, i.e. in his commentary on SB 4.25.41. It’s such a ironic defeat for the miscreants, because there if we check the sentence in it’s entirety, Srila Prabhupada in the morning walk clearly said that women like rape ‘sometimes’. The miscreants deliberately removed the term ‘sometimes’. The use of the term ‘sometimes’ by Srila Prabhupada indicates it’s an exceptional case. It depends on various factors such as how did the attack take place, was it gang rape, was it violent, was the victim very lusty, etc. And for that Srila Prabhupada cites the story of a rape case from Calcutta (currently known as Kolkata), where the victim was left alive and not killed by the rapist. The attack wasn’t violent. The victim herself in the story was made to admit to the court that she felt some pleasure although she was raped. Who on earth would be that dumb to say that? if it was truly a brutal rape assault? What Srila Prabhupada stressed in there is the psychology of women liking aggressive and forced sex, not necessarily be it rape, because rape is cruel. But rarely, it is also in the form of rape, and therefore Srila Prabhupada uses the term ‘sometimes’. And that’s what Srila Prabhupada meant to say. Forced sex gives a particular mellow which is liked by the one who is extremely lusty, be it any gender. According to the reports based on search results, and the like, forced sex is one of the most famous pornography on the porn websites. In 1985, Louis H. Janda, an associate professor of psychology at Old Dominion University, said that the sexual fantasy of being raped is the most common sexual fantasy for women. A 1988 study by Pelletier and Herold found that over half of their female respondents had fantasies of forced sex. Srila Prabhupada himself explains it while commenting on SB 4.25.41, as follows- “A man is always famous for his aggression toward a beautiful woman, and such aggression is sometimes considered rape. Although rape is not legally allowed, it is a fact that a woman likes a man who is very expert at rape.” Here again, we see the term ‘sometimes’. The man should also be ‘expert’ which indicates that the woman although hesitant initially, succumbs to the man’s ‘expert’ aggression and enjoys the attention and experience. In the very next verse (4.25.42) we find in the Sanskrit the term ‘ghrina-uddhata’, meaning “aggressive mercy.” In this verse, the woman in the story of Bhagavatam, is expressing her attraction towards the man even more openly, saying: “Actually you relieve the distress of husbandless women like us by your attractive smile and your aggressive mercy. We think that you are traveling on the surface of the earth just to benefit us only.” And commenting on the above verse, Srila Prabhupada says- “When a husbandless woman is attacked by an aggressive man, she takes his action to be mercy.” Objection- In most of the rape cases, the helpless victims seek pleasure in the moment, but that doesn’t mean they chose to be raped, or that they liked the experience. Refutation- Where's the 'objection' in this? that's what Srila Prabhupada meant to say aswell. Srila Prabhupada nowhere said that in these special cases the victims enjoyed the experience completely. He himself cites a rape case from Calcutta as an example. The woman had dragged the rapist to the court although she did feel some pleasure, as described by Prabhupada himself. Of course she didn't want to be raped, otherwise why would she had filed a case? and why would Srila Prabhupada quote this story at all? In some cases the victim is helpless and is forced to feel pleasure. True. But in some other cases the victims are already extremely lusty. They are helpless in a different sense, meaning they liked the experience but is forced to feel displeased, because there are many consequences of being raped such as possible pregnancy, danger to our social status, damage to their chastity in the eyes of others, etc. They are 'helpless' & 'forced' to dislike the rape in total. Of course this isn't the case for everyone as many have strict chastity vows.

@@Crazytesseract It is not speculation. It is on tape, and so much more.

Thanks 😊. And glad you avoided getting sucked in!!

@@GauraRader In and out, like a duck mating. Actually, I did 30 years in ISKCON, before stepping away. Life is way calmer now, and I see the nonsense and craziness for what it is.. Cheers.

Cheers indeed!

hahahahaha

You’re welcome :)

He was bat shit nuts and completely uninformed. Dangerous

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@@crictube7531 nah you haven't Meet most of them yet

Thanks man!

Check out some of my earlier videos. I go into detail on that there.

Sorry to hear that but glad you got out!

Vrindavan gurukula! A true OG!!! Sorry man I'm sure you have a million stories. My heart goes out to all of you who went through that. Thanks for watching! That's awesome your whole family is out. I wish I could say the same haha.

The appeal of a cult is deliverance from suffering. So not surprising some women find this solution as attractive. Anytime you offer a solution to someone’s suffering you can manage to convince some people to accept it. When someone is suffering they are vulnerable and women have certainly suffered and do suffer under what remains of patriarchal values and social structures.

@@GauraRader The solution to a woman's suffering is to give her a husband in an arranged marriage, make her into a domestic goddess, give her the opportunity to raise kids in a religious household, a community of other religiously minded women, and give her a bible and scripture written and translated by a misogynistic tobacco smuggling, snuff sniffing, 11 year old marrying, wife abandoning religious dictator. Its like they think the solution to their suffering is a religious patriarchy and devotion to a misogynistic guru.

I guess its because they are given a purpose in life, and a "safe space". Or at least that's what they think they are getting. Meaning, structure, purpose, safety, love. Some kind of Gynephillia maybe.

@@MrMikkyn that’s what prabhupada wanted/what he thought would have made him happy when he was married lol

@@GauraRader I kind of feel sorry for his wife.

Finally someone said it clearly... Actually foreigners never will understand santan dharma....what prabhupada want to say...its really deep...its not about gender discrimination.... If u want to understand it you have to understand it different way....but in the end orgin is really matter...that’s it....

Great story, so much hypocrisy! I think most people are somewhat bothered by this stuff but we/they somehow manage to exist in a state of double consciousness where we know on some level it is wrong but also we are able to not think about it. But I think that when you are a a part of it, you don't understand just how wrong it is. It took me a long time after I left to be able to make this video. When I first left I was more timid and respectful. It took me years to have the distance to be able to fully appreciate how horrible all this stuff is and also to have the confidence to express those thoughts.

@@GauraRader I agree, about the state of double consciousness. In my case I remember thinking that there was some stuff that really bothered me and didn't sit right at all, but because there were other parts of temple life that I loved, it was like a trade off. I had to accept a few bad bits to get the good stuff.

Unfortunately many women are too attached to ISCKON's version of Hinduism that it would be almost impossible to convince them that there is Hinduism outside ISCKON.

It's the only name I have and I don't want to change the only name I've ever had. My parents were/are HKs and gave me that name.

That has become a common explanation in recent years. However, as the video demonstrates, at the heart of Prabhupada’s conception of reality lies the ill conceived notion that women are the personifications of men’s selfish desires. This positions women as the lowest moral beings in the imagined moral universe of varna-aśrama, as well as the locus of everything men are taught to despise as obstacles on the spiritual path. This is a radical religion that teaches ‘spiritual success’ is the only goal worth working toward. If women are the root cause of spiritual failure, they are the ultimate cause of all human suffering. Prabhupada doesn’t put it in those terms, but those are the implications of his teachings. The cult makes a few weak attempts to mitigate this portrayal of women rhetorically, but the dogma has this especially ugly form of misogyny in its foundational precepts regarding the nature of the world and what it means to be human. There really is no getting away from it if you accept almost any of Prabhupada’s teachings. It all leads back to this point.

He married and impregnated a 12 year old..... dozens of children killed themselves after suffering abuses in his "school" and he did nothing to stop it except seem mad sometimes/

I've been really into Andre 3000s new flute album. I like a lot of 90s hip hop and rock. Pretty all over the place with my musical tastes. For movies, let's go with Martin Scorsese and Greta Gerwig, as they are on my mind. For actors lets go with two in a show I'm currently watching, Michael Shannon and Michael K. Williams.

​@@GauraRader a closed friend and occasional bandmate of mine played drums and enginerred andre 3000 New record

@@saucyjk6453 that’s awesome. Seems like a they must had a blast making it!

Just envious talks of you..just look of the good thing Prabhupada have do to many ppl around the word..shame on u..

For sure! A big moment in my process of leaving was when I decided I wasn't going to read Krishna stories to my infant. I was still a member but I couldn't see the value in the hyperviolent Krishna stories.

If u cannot see the wisdom behind the paradoxical setting I think u are missing the point.

Buddhism is a minor philosophical off shoot of Vedanta and it’s really drawing people away from god. I have plenty of problems w iskcon but to parlay that to questioning the Gita , u must hqve your own agenda.

@@saucyjk6453 easy vacuous argument. The Emperor is naked.

Let's not forget that examinations of the style, grammar and content of the Gita reveals it has at least 5 different contributors and is simply a nice bit of fairy tale ancient ideology written into the fantastical fairy story that is the Mahabharata.

It’s not. Mistranslating the true scriptures is. Which he did. How any intelligible human being cannot decipher his lack of enlightenment is evidence that he attracts his own kind

Yes his translations are not good entirely faithful. But that bad stuff doesn’t come from him, it comes from the scriptures. Krishna litterally says souls are born as women because of their sinful actions. Whatever may or may not be in Devi purana, Indian culture is highly misogynistic and abusive towards women.

Hi do the scriptures say women are less intelligent like prabhupada does?

But make sure you’re vaccinated

Yes that party is not radical enough for hindus. India must be declared Hindu country

LOL "Truth is bawsed on personality".

LOL "Truth is based on personality". We can't "understand" only becdause it is ioncoherent adn non factual. If you consider racketeering, cultism, steealing donations from Christians, allow child abuse to keep going, no vetting people in charge of kids, allowing your church to degrade into a full blown criminal organization to be great then...." Well compare my preaching to Prabhupada and you will find that I NEVER lied, or misreperesented. "pure devotee" is an arbitrary tribalistic designation. Either we are all pure devotees, meaning EVERYONE, which is the actual sotry according to teh poems or no oneee is. There is nothing one can do to become who they already are.

@@guitarslinger_games No vetting, he also knew about their drug abuse issues and still made them into Sannyasis. He was literally a business priest, he owned a failing pharmacy business in India and his wife whom he married when she was the age of 11 hated him, his children were estranged from him, he took snuff tobacco supposedly reduce his blood pressure before he translated the Srimad Bhagavatam, he told his devotees to plagiarise the Bhagavad Gita translations using prewritten manuscripts, he brushed his teeth with his own concocted ayurvedic toothpaste made Calcium carbonate, oil wintergreen, and soap powder, powder hard soap, propably more likely to cause cancer, liver, kidney and gum problems then it is to clean teeth, he was a conspiracy theorist who denied the moon landing, an anti-semitic hitler supporter, a racist against blacks, and a misogynist who encouraged violence and rape against women and it actually happened within his organisation. His English was subpar at best and his disciples think he translated the gita and wrote all the purports where in reality Hayagriva and Jayadvaita edited 90% of everything, and fixed up all of his grammatical errors. He never read the Vedas, or the Upanishads, and his lineage is based off Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati who gave himself Sannyas by looking at a picture of a dead guru and talking to it. There’s so much sentimentality and mythologising of his character and his organisation its kind of disgusting.

@@guitarslinger_games That's something you got accurate Uncle Paul. Every being IS already a pure devotee eternally and internally that is. That is the correct grasp of the teaching, at least in that one aspect. Always remember "you are a ghost with a ghost inside you." Just kidding... DISCLAIMER: Every word that comes out of anyone's mouth is their opinion on the facts they observe.

@@TheLustyDoll LOL Thanks. :-)

Sri Caitanya Saraswat Math pure Devotion

@@sruti108 can you elaborate

People like her are crazy run away from that. They literally worship every religion. Claim Jesus is son of Lord Krishna. Blind devotees are dangerous. If you have kids don't let her rase them as ISKCONis. As a Hindu I'm truly disgusted by these people who claim to be apart of our Dharma but also disrespect it

WOW, Trivik Rama went along with that? geeeez Why the constant putting down of dogs? Do we see dogs committing child abuse like SP's students did and that he ignored, and allowed to continue, even after ruining so many lives? Do dogs create an organization that turned to full on racketeering, human labor trafficking and stealing? Dogs can be violent, but are F'n better than humans in so many ways. Dogs are honest. As far as people who are in his cult being the only ones classified as humans, that is racial bullshit. We are all animals and although humans invented pizza and rick music, as far as I can see, dogs are the better and more honest creatures............. Also human worship is not humble at all and is self worship based on bullshit.

I don't know how and why his movement become so big now. It's been growing since he left.

@@Veronica-wh4qj Because cultism is bigger than ever.

Maybe? LOL

@@Veronica-wh4qj You Are Living In a Fools Paradise

Yes. U white people are too naive. U are from first world countries. U don't know what is real corruption and false propoganda. Go to India and visit the mandirs and all the religious shrines. U will be shocked. These iskcon followers target white kids from broken families. They take them into some sort of fantasy world.

As I said in the video the problem with that attempt to explain away Prabhupada’s statement is the he specifically says rape is not allowed according to the law but women like it. If he were just meant “aggressive seduction” by the term “rape” then it would not make sense for him to say that rape was illegal. Him stating that rape is illegal makes it clear what he means by rape. It’s not a pleasant truth but it is the only logical inference. Prabhupada is literally saying, rape is illegal but women like it. Not to mention the many other statements he made about women, stating that women should be beaten, are less intelligent, shouldn’t be given freedom, etc etc. even if you could explain this one quote there is still plenty of statements that ought to make anyone who cares from the welfare of women reject his teachings and question the notion that he is enlightened or a pure devotee or anything like. But as I said the statement can’t be explained away because he himself defines rape as being illegal.

@@GauraRaderRape is illegal against Hindu Dharmasashtras, which Prabhupada followed, he didn’t condemn rape

Yeah, men and women are supposed to avoid each other. But also women are supposed to serve men and be protected by them. None of it really make much sense, and in practice it is nothing but misery for everyone involved, but especially the women.

I directly stand up for the good things they said and did on my channel publicly so know what you are talking about before you just say thing or assume things about me. I deeply appreciate those things about them and them as they actually are as my eternal friends and family members in Paradise. MY OWN practice IS defined by me. Yes it is. Just like yours is defined by you. So Seriously, just because I do not agree with a few things they said has nothing to do with me not understanding them or not supporting the other things they did and said. You don't even know me yet you are just typing things right now. I have whole videos that are about standing up for Prabhupada. So know who you are talking to first before you just say stuff.

@@bhaktapaul108 I have already heard from him and all the other qualified teachers preceding him and from Radha and Krishna and Gaura Nitai directly and I have inquired from each of them at great length. I have already followed that instruction. My practice is defined by Radha Herself.

@@bhaktapaul108 Dude, I already have that mood and do that stuff. Obviously the loving servant mood is there, that's basic sense. But no I do not agree that a person "cannot" approach Krishna directly. That is culty and exactly the culty stuff that people speak out against that I agree with. OF COURSE you can directly approach the person you are a part of. I have a good relation with Radha and Krishna, Nityananda, Chaitanya and all the rest of them, yes it is defined by me and Her BOTH. Radha is Krishna's devote TOO and the deepest of them, so what you are saying is just redundant. It does not have to be "one or the other" WE define our relationship together, not you, not Prabhupada, not anyone else. I'm not interested in your cult speak about Krishna. I appreciate Prabhupada but do not agree with the culty stuff he said.

You are typing a direct example of Cult Speak 101. Anyone who reads that will see that. You have not even gotten to know me yet and are just typing verses and things I have read plenty before. How about actually standing up for Radha and Krishna WITH ME on here as a fellow instead of rehashing stuff I have already heard countless times before. I am already aware how cultists interpret those verses and things and I DO NOT agree with how they do so. You should appreciate me standing up for the good things Prabhupada did on here even though I disagree with certain things he said and did instead of trying to re-educate me on things I am beyond well aware of. Don't waste time nagging me and stand up for Prabhupada to the atheists and secularists or other commenters on this channel who disagree with Prabhupada in excess. Do not waste time nagging a Hare Krishna who has an entire channel dedicated to talking about how awesome Radha and Krishna are. If you actually want to have a real conversation you send me an email or Facebook contact me OR you can watch my videos on You Tube, plenty of which are directly about standing up for the goods that Prabhupada did.

@Alex Thanks

I am as familiar as one could be with Prabhupada’s teaching, and life. I grew up in the movement and heard his teaching virtually every day of my life until my late 20s. First in gurukula then in almost 10 years as a brahmacari. The context for this video is that I actually left KC a number of years before making this video. I took me years of deprogramming to get to the point where I could actually the appropriate amount of revulsion and anger toward the statements he made. At first I was much more respectful but after a number of years my mind cleared as the brainwashing wore off. So maybe I’m not familiar with his teachings or maybe just maybe the constant glorification of this person, at his instruction of course, has bias your thinking and left you with some blind spots in your understanding of this man, his teachings and the HK “philosophy.” And just to be clear, I don’t think he was some sort of vicious evil person. His beliefs were fairly run of the mill for an Indian born in the 1800s, but I do think he shouldn’t be listened to or treated as an authority and that he should not be listened to and certainly not worshiped. But of course no human should be worshipped!

@@GauraRader Srila Prabhupada may have presented facts regarding gender, race, or species in a manner that could be debated, yet he never endorsed discrimination or favored any living being based on the body they possessed. His attitude in general was one of compassion and generosity, consistently delivering the highest message to all living beings, irrespective of their material conditioning. He did not use these statements to elevate himself above others or to inflate his ego, as he exists beyond the confines of bodily identification. While some so called followers of him may have mistreated others, I have not come across any instance where Prabhupada himself mistreated someone or endorsed discrimination based on these factors. It appears you are analyzing dry facts without considering the character, nature and mood of the person they are associated with.

Liberation!! Lol

What is the benefit for the women? I discuss this in my latest book, "Gold, Guns and God, Vol. 4: Deviations in the Dhama." Chapter 40: Three Things Improve with a Good Beating: The women considered beatings from their husbands as mercy. They understood from Prabhupada's books that they had mostly bad qualities and that they needed to be disciplined in order to succeed at spiritual life. "Getting the mercy" (receiving a beating) was regarded simply as a physical manifestation of the more common "getting the sauce" (receiving a verbal chastisement). When a woman came to mangal-aroti with a black eye, she told her friends, "Last night I got the mercy!" henrydoktorski.com/Gold_Guns_God/Vol4.html

@@HenryDoktorski Gee... that is sraight up S&M., to go along with submissive syndromes.

Bastard! Also check this out.............. When I moved in for a full time bhakta program, we went to prasadama dn all it was, was clumpy mash potatos with no sauce. To Trivik Ram swami's credit he sent us down to the sankirtan prasadam room where all the distributers were eating and getting ready for the day's distribution. WOW 20 course meal and hot too. hmm..... Then I saw the wigs... OMG! I stood up and started yelling at all of them for being hypocrites and trying to hide that they were devotees. I pointed out that I had gone back on a promise to my Dad not to shave up due to their insistence, and now they are hiding that they were devotees, because :money is the honey? according to SP?". Their faces showed that they agreed adn they looked ashamed......... I asked them why they jsut did not make fake shaved hair wigs for the program instead? ................ Then one original devotee who I later became friends with and has passed away, said that he would steal for Krsihna isf he coudl get away with it. I wasn;t now aware that SP said the same thing or the money is hte honey thing. I brought up the delusions of fascism and how dangerous that thinking was.......... Prabhupada messed up REALLT BAD!!! He is going to use skapegoating to take people's karma and responsibility as a "get out of jail free" card? HA! IMagine the horrific karma of all thwoe eruined lives including chjildren who committed suicide due to the abuse? YES HE NEEDS TO BE CANCELLED!

​@@HenryDoktorski oh my lord. I'm not sure what it is about this belief system of internalised misogyny, but it definitely makes me feel sick to the stomach to actually hear it for real. I never knew that female devotees said things like this, but I knew from my intuition that there was something going in internally that amounted to this. But to hear it actually said is even more-so shocking. Thank-you for spreading the truth, I hope more scholars and laypeople look at your work and that it creates more discussions.

Him believing those things is understandable and easily forgivable. Us believing them now, not so much. Maybe we need to cancel people who believe the same things as he did haha

And I don't hold any of it against him, personally. My point is that in 2023 we shouldn't listen to someone born in the 1800s who uncritically ascribed to a religious belief system full of irrational dogmas and negative attitudes to groups of people for irrational reasons.

His translations are so off big fail There

When examining the style and grammar of the Gita it is clear that at least five different authors have written quite a number of slokas in that book. The provenance of the Gita is hard to determine because it was part of the Mahabharata which was written around 2500 years ago and he has no doubt greatly evolved in the various versions and tellings of that story. There may be an oral tradition which could take this storyline back another several hundred years in part but there's no evidence for that and we have to examine that idea against the vedic/cultural traditions which preceded 2500 years ago. There is no language, grammar or style or content which would make the Gita 5000 years old. Krishna was not even a thing then if you take the time to explore Vedanta. This is all known by Vedic/Sanskrit scholars, including great scholars in the Srivaishnava tradition and others. Also ask yourself why there was never a single mention of the Bhagavat Purana/Srimad Bhagavatam prior to around 500 years ago? Honestly friend, this universe is a whole lot bigger than some silly fairy stories about a blue boy god who enjoys sex with young girls in a heaven based on an idyllic Indian medieval pastoral landscape and totally unsubstantiated and uncorroborated yarns about a 'golden avatar' 500 years ago . . . go and seek your answers elsewhere but don't believe in fools and liars who can't even accept experiential reality and decent scholarship.

Wake up from your dream.

Yes I woke up from the dream of gods and demons and morality based on mythology to the reality of rational moral and scientific thinking. And thanks :)

Prabhupada Wanr Wrong In Any Way

Majority of rape cases in India don't get reported. All religions have corrupt outdated teachings. I encourage u to read ur holy scriptures. Read manusmriti and vedas and puranas. U will be disgusted from ur religion. If u don't see the filth of ur scriptures I can help. 😂 I have read a lot of scriptures.

@@dawood4920 same is with others 80% of them don't get reported abd they have committed it

@@rudra8257how can you know it was 80%, if they were not reported?

@Cric Tube ?

Very well said! Prabhupada changed for better the life of so many people and he is stll doing it. This fellow was following the wrong person within the Hare Krishna movement, showing poor judgement. All women who were close to Prabhupada felt loved and protected by him.

I appreciate your concern. And I would encourage you think about the fact that that’s how they get you to not question anything!

As I said in the video the problem with that attempt to explain away Prabhupada’s statement is the he specifically says rape is not allowed according to the law but women like it. If he were just meant “aggressive seduction” by the term “rape” then it would not make sense for him to say that rape was illegal. Him stating that rape is illegal makes it clear what he means by rape. It’s not a pleasant truth but it is the only logical inference. Prabhupada is literally saying, rape is illegal but women like it. Not to mention the many other statements he made about women, stating that women should be beaten, are less intelligent, shouldn’t be given freedom, etc etc. even if you could explain this one quote there is still plenty of statements that ought to make anyone who cares from the welfare of women reject his teachings and question the notion that he is enlightened or a pure devotee or anything like. But as I said the statement can’t be explained away because he himself defines rape as being illegal.

@@GauraRader Prabhupada never advocated beating of women. He might have brought up Chanakya Pandit's few such quotes rarely, but when studied holistically that's not Prabhupada's overall message regarding how women or any living entity should be treated. A few of such statements are peripheral statements, not his core messages to which he devoted most of his time. This cannot be resolved properly without a proper understanding of different cultures and societies in different eras, which will require a short discussion

Its demonstrably not true.

Btw this bhagvatam, and prabhupada isn’t really main stream Hinduism

Prabhupada is bascially bullshit

@@sashamellon822 All religions are like that. People pick and choose. Some people choose the not so bad stuff and some people chose the most racist sexist and violence justifying stuff, so as long as a particular religion exists there will be some people who chose the bad stuff.

But your ex “religion” isn’t a religion it’s a cult. Only your cult worships prabhupada no other Hindu does. And all those other books you mention are not what we see as Religious text. We don’t see the Geeta as gods word it’s just what a human form of god said witj his flaws to someone in battle. It doesn’t mean we shoot everyone with an arrow

Same goes with Ramayana. Hinduism is more about your worship of god not how you should live your life.

It’s my legal name, the name my parents gave me. I could change it but it would feel weird to change it at this point.

I can’t tell if you are saying that, as a way of minimizing, this criticism of SP or just as a general statement of fact. Everyone is a product of their time for sure! The problem isnt the that people are a product of their time. The problem is when people think someone isn’t a product of their time and think they are infallible or perfect.

@@GauraRader English is not my native tongue, so I would guess that some things that I am trying to "say" is getting "lost in translation"... I think that I understand what you mean. The "ISKCON people" put Prabuphada on a "timeless" pedestal, or at least the vast majority. The "Guru worship" does not seem very healthy... Personally I have a problem with super rigid religious philosophy.

I never liked Prabhupada tbh even though I am a great devotee of Krishna

Trump also uses the cult tactics of course

He was a lousy entrepreneur as he used human labor trafficking, racketeering and constantly lying to get money. Then he bragged about how many cars HE owned, which were Temple cars.

@@guitarslinger_games Nah , I Cleared The Point , You claims are too dogmatic to be true

@@rudra8257 Definition of dogma: " a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true". You are misusing the word dogma. Dream on brother, I was there and you were not. All you are doing is taking bits and pieces and making some stuff up. It is not my job to educate you. If you are so KC, then stop being such a hothead and do some serious fact searching.

@@guitarslinger_games Nah , Im Not Being Hothead I'm Just Clearing Misonmers , Also You Are An Orthodox Christian For Sure Cause I Even Saw your Quora Profile All your answer Were against KC Though but It was Also Again Lord Krishna You Called Him A Mass Murder And ........., May He Bless You Also Even If I was Not There , My Guru Maharaj Was And He's Direct Disciple Of Srila Prabhupada , Also Over The Years I Have Been Listening And Reading Prabhupada's Room Conversation's , Lectures And Morning Walk's Etc. Also My Guru Maharaj Was There At That Time So Pretty Much I Can Say I'm Aware Of Hook And Crook Both Sides , Yea There Were Some Bad Pasttimes But Those People Have Got Punishment For Their Crimes And Prabhupada's Snuff Point Was Cleared My Me As Well As Murari Das Prabhuji Last Time , Also Even If you Left KC I don't mind It nor am I suprised , Many Of Them Had Also Krishna Said In The Bhagavad-gītā Millions In One Are Fortunate For My Devotion , Its Compelety your Choice , I Just Want To Conclude That Yes There Were Murder's , Human Racketeering And Etc The Allegations But It was Done By Kritinanda Swami Who Was One Of The First Prabhupad's Disciple , But He Left Iskcon Nor He Followed Prabhupada's Order/Service being a Disciple , Also They Have Been To Jail And Suffered From Their Doing's Also They Were Gradually Removed By ISKCON

Dd you watch the video, it’s all quotes from Prabhupada. He’s the one who said women like to be raped. He’s the one who said women should be beaten. He’s the one who said women should not have any freedom. He’s the one who said women are less intelligent. Yes he also said women should be treated as mother but he also said lots of other horrible things, which is why he shouldn’t be listened to.

@@GauraRader There are plenty of women in Iskcon who do not have a problem with this stuff. They are in senior positions, temple presidents, teachers. Yes there's ongoing discussions about whether women should be gurus, but the basic point is that men have a responsibility to protect and care for women so they can safely raise children, rather than exploiting them by putting them out to work. It's just the same with Islam. You can't tell me Western women are happier with all their "freedom". Half of them will never marry, will never have children, have high rates of depression, divorce etc, which is why the birthrate is below replacement rate, which will have catastrophic consequences. You no doubt remember the old joke that the rate of divorce in India has doubled. It's gone from one percent to two percent. That's because they still follow these traditional values. SP's Victorian attitudes to women are no reason not to join or leave the organisation. Western women are responsible for their own misery.

​@@GauraRaderThere are plenty of women in Iskcon who don't have a problem with this stuff. Many women are in positions of responsibility... temple presidents, teachers etc. Sure there are ongoing discussions about whether women should be gurus but that's hardly a reason not to join or leave the organisation. I'm sure you remember the old joke that the divorce rate in India has doubled. It's gone from one percent to two percent. That's because they are still following traditional values. You can't tell me Western women are happier with all their freedoms. Half of them will never marry or have children. Many are neurotic on antidepressants. That's why the birthrate is below replacement with catastrophic consequences. I don't think SP forbade women becoming gurus. He had a lot of respect for women, like Yamuna devi. He may have been influenced by Victorian British attitudes rather than the texts themselves. Islam also gives women separate roles to men. Western liberalism leads to misery, which is why SP, and Muslims, preach against it.