The Smoking Tire heads out to Spring Mountain Motorsports Ranch and Switchcars.com to test out the baddest street Corvette ever, the Pratt & Miller Corvette C6RS. For more information about the C6RS, visit www.switchcars.com
when we have top gear money, and can replace the tires on every car we test (the rears cost $950 on the C6RS), then we will go drifting and do burnouts. As it is, I struggle to pay the rent each month to make this show and I can't afford to put new tires on all these cars, so sometimes we cant' do burnouts and drifting in the exotics. Just the way it goes....
When the RS was designed and built, the ZR1 was not yet available. So compared to the top of the line Z06, this was a massive improvement in power. And it's not slower, it's nearly identical in performance to the ZR1. It's down 40hp, but also weighs nearly 200lb less and has a bigger footprint to put the power down.
1) The GT2 would not smoke this car, in fact it would get its ass handed to it. 2) I don't find the Corvette's interior "purposeful." I thought the seats and steering wheel were terrible in my car, which is why I yanked them out and replaced them. The C6RS is not a "bang for your buck" car. But as a piece of Corvette history that also drives well and is extremely fast, it's a good buy at $185k as an investment.
Exactly! And I imagine the torque curve on that engine looks more like a torque line lol. Its unreal the kind of torque these engines make from idle to redline.
No, not only seats. Performance, exotic materials, excellent fit and finish, exclusivity, and not "cheaping out" on certain areas to meet a price point, to me, make a supercar.
Thanks, we 've done a couple episodes on drag racing and honestly, it bores the shit out of Tom and I. But let me know exactly what you'd like to see, and maybe there will be a way to do it somewhere down the line. What do you mean by "legal drag racing car and bikes?" You mean go to the track? or you mean street-legal race cars? or you mean do a "how to drag race" segment?
I love that they bumped it to a forged 8.2 and yet were still able to keep the LSX vette sound relatively in tact. I wonder what the motor is rated for, surely you can get a substantial amount of boost into that car.
No Porsche banned me because I said the GT2 at the NY auto show in 98 was a "the most awful shade of red I've ever seen" In case you're wondering, yes, it is that easy to get banned.
it comes with a similar "competitive driving mode" that the Z06 has. but it's not like a straightpipe pre-cat dump. just gets a bit louder when you hit the button.
Actually the Corvette does better in the corners compared to straight line. Look at all the actual (by actual I mean not top gear) tests. The Corvette out grips the 458 and 911 Turbo, and does better in the slalom. Has better lap times on many tracks than the 458 too.
I never said it was faster, it has more horsepower than the RS, but it's also heavier. A professional racing driver may notice a slight advantage one way or the other (although I can't tell the diference), but in practice, an average driver would find them equally fast.
I've driven both cars, and I honestly can't tell which is faster. Neither can Doug. I think on a track the lap times would be very similar. The power to weight ratios are nearly identical, and while the RS has a better suspension/wheel/tire setup, the ZR1 has better brakes and a bit more top end power. For me though, it's too close to call. The RS is more fun though, with the sound it makes and the better interior, but the ZR1 is more civilized at low speed.
@@OverTheHillsAdventures dude u missed out on payback cause cross easter egg including another easter egg in the natalie nova race. And yes your comment is moar of a meme too nice one.
I agree with you that the ZR1 does have more performance potential, provided you were willing to modify it a bit yourself. However, this car came out before the ZR1 so the LS9 wasn't available at the time, and the car's suspension, wheels, body, and interior are far superior to the ZR1's. Again, not saying the RS is a bargain, but as a collector's item for someone who's into Corvettes, this thing will be worth waaaaay more than a ZR1 in 20 years, especially if you modify the ZR1.
Omfg 11 years ago! Wow. And Doug the Mainah! Love it! This is still awesome today! Matt you still look the same bud! Ageless!! Love this Vette! Only 7 or 8 made. And of course Mr. Leno has one. Such a beast! Pratt Miller kicks ass! Still to this day! And by the way I will pay the 185 right now
I always love American cars. Some may not be as sophisticated or high tech as european cars but they have their unique charms. Dont get me wrong. As a car lover I do love all makes and types
@camdaddy10 you didn't listen carefully enough in the video. The most horsepower for any "naturally aspirated production V8." NASCAR racing engines are not production engines, and aren't included in that comparison.
I drove a 700hp GT2 recently, and the Cayman GTR.... I'm going to drive the Hotchkiss 'Cuda soon I think, but Chrysler doesn't make anything I want to drive now, so I don't care.
statistics show that viewership drops off dramatically after the 15 minute mark, so there is no reason to make longer segments online (unless someone pays us to, in which case I'll do whatever). Right now, we're just trying to keep going while all the other shows around us collapse. I'm glad you like watching, but unless advertisers start stepping up, we won't be expanding any time soon.
So 200+mph and Ferrari 458 beating performance don't make it a supercar??? A supercar is about performance, and exotic is about price and rarity. Besides the interior doesn't "suck", its just not as nice as other 100k cars, because its focus is on being faster than 200k cars.
Carbon fiber panels, with fiberglass panels. Frame and motor are aluminum.....not a super car?? So you put alcontara on the steering wheel and on the dash and change the seats and then it's a super car? The 2012 zr1 set the production car lap record at laguna seca when it came out. It beat the viper, porsche, ferrari, lambo, Audi. All of them!
Points on why the ZR1 IS NOT a supercar I totally agree with, thank you for having the balls to say that. I'm so sick of everyone thinking the ZR1 is infallible and unbeatable.
Ive always had massive amounts of respect for this show until this episode. Anyone who says a zr1 is not a super car, either has an extremely biased opinion or is completely stupid. The numbers dont lie, and to true petrol heads....nice comfy seats dont fucking matter....
+Brian Colwell you are right the problem is these car critics test top end cars a lot and they are use to 200,000 car interiors there is a reason why the vette is so much cheaper all the money goes to performance for the average person the vette interior is very nice
I agree. How do you think they are supposed to make them affordable. A Corvette is supposed to be a big monster engine, rear wheel drive. Who cares what the inside looks like, just have fun driving it. Lol.
I can't even fit in one of those things, and I would cost me thousands to get licensed to drive one anyway, which makes it impossible. And no, I'm not interested in any of the "new" challengers. They are fat pigs meant only for boulevard and highway cruising. Ask anything of them, performance wise, and you will be sadly disappointed.
we can't really do more than 1 car per episode, but we have quite a few episodes coming up that focus on more moderately priced cars like the CIvic Si, Mazdazpeed3, Genesis Coupe, and Mitsubishi Lancer. Oh, and the 370Z Roadster too....
TheWolfMatt it has an 8.2L engine how much more displacement did you want lol shit i think they should of taken the gm 7.0L to katech and had them build it and then put a supercharger on it
For me, the ZR1 definetly is a car to dream about. Not because its the fastest, but because its so beautifull and sounds so fucking awesome. Everytime I see or hear one, it makes my skin crawl! This is what a supercar is all about!
No, The Smoking TIre will always be independently owned by Me and Tom. We have acquired the rights to the Garage419 distribution platforms, and we are using those platforms to distribute The Smoking Tire to the much larger subscriber base built up from 2 years of producing Garage419. Essentially, we go from 7,000 to 50,000 subscribers overnight.
so all in all you'd be looking at about 240k dollars. NOOOOOOOOOOOPE! GT3RS for less with a better interior and equal performance, and you'd still have 100k to spend on either the options list of porsche or a tuner to take it to and have it make 700+ hp. or take a turbo s. or an audi r8 v10+. or an amg gt. heck, even a 458 or a huracan would be in that budget. who in their right mind would spend that kind of money on a corvette?
+givemeajackson o another internet English professor!! I'm using google speech application on my mobile phone genius!! I have two degrees d******* yeah that's right I'm degreed!! Are you???
Matt, thanks for bringing a good show to the web. I loved garage 419 and i like the way you do things. Hope you get the attention of sponsors and better yet a network. You make watching this kind of show fun. long live the smoking tire! Can you make a show about legal dragracing car and bikes?
you make a valid point, but as a collector's piece, there hasn't been a Ferrari built in as small numbers as this car since the 1960's, and those cars (and contemporary Corvette race cars) sell in the millions.
As a thrill-seeking car-enthusiast, I couldn't care less about the interior of a car. Lots or quite all manufacturers understand this, but some sacrifice their performance and/or base price for a nice interior/build quality. Supercars and hypercars aren't about having nice interiors, it's simply nice to have if your ride bores you. Corvette doesn't need to compensate and neither does the Viper ACR, the Gumpert Apollo, Radical SR8 or Lexus LFA. You'll note that these are all top-performers.
Pratt & Miller should be the brains behind the budget of every new corvette! This car is tight!! And oh my god....that exhaust note is sensational. 8.2L is too insane for a production corvette though....I'd still have it
super speeders isn't exactly "deep" but make sure you use discount code TST09 when you order to get free shipping. We have lots of car reviews coming up, all different stuff, but it should be interesting.
@Elastico2 That's how it's designed so you have a smooth powerful HP and torque delivery throughout the powerband. Much more reliable than a tiny turboed engine or high reving OHC. This will run hard long after the Ferrari and Porsche have broken something
I hate the term "bargain supercar." the fact that that term even exists basically admits that GM has cost-cut all over the ZR1. There should only be supercars, and other cars, and "bargain supercars" just means, "we cheaped out a few places, but it goes so fast that no one's going to care, because all they care about is a Nurburgring time." well, I'm here to say I care, and supercars shouldn't have cut corners.
@curancho it doesn't sound like that much horsepower given the displacement, but it's the highest rated horsepower of any normally aspirated production V8 ever.
well if pedigree is the requirement, Corvettes have been winning races for years, specifically the ones built by Pratt and Miller. There was Dick Guildstrand and Roger Penske in the 60's, lots of wins behind the wheel of Corvettes.
The C6RS is absolutely one of the best sounding 'Vettes EVER. There is NO denying that! Unrelated: Have you guys ever thought of doing a "Punch for Price" episode/series? The C6 and WRX come to mind instantly (not to compare but as pure Punch for Price). The new Mustang 5.0 will definitely fall into that category as well. As would maybe the 370Z, G37 coupe/sedan, and MazdaSpeed3.
I used dynamat for my trunk on my straight piped c63 amg. Then just started adding their interior sound deadening material to attempt and create a more solid isolated cabin. I don't think the car itself is extremely loud from the interior but the noise that really gets to you the most is the noise from the mirrors and the wind. In total it was about $700 including the Dyna Matt thick pad in the trunk for my straight pipes because that's where most the sound gets through and then the 5 pieces of Sound deadening Throughout the cabin overall I think it worked just great to me there's a huge difference
Production has officially stopped on the Viper, so what's left is left. Clearly it will still be on the website as long as there is a single car left on the lot, and you will obviously keep seeing them around. Saw a TT one at Supercar Sunday this morning.... scary...
Save your money on the Pratt & Miller Zor and Corvette ZR1. I love my 2006 Z06 which I've had from new and quickly upgrade to a street legal track day car. The Z06s actually came stock with full carbon fibre bodywork and a magnesium roll bar / roof structure. The Pratt & Miller bodywork just looks a little different. The Z06' sstock LS7 427ci engine is full aluminum with Titanium Rods and Valves. I added a track cam, billet roller rocker kit, ported the heads and milled .010" to take the stock compression from 11.5 to 11.7. Kooks Headers full race exhaust system with racing catalytics took off 150lbs and does pass Calif Smog, and a Breathless Performance Cold Air Box brought power up to 640hp on pump gas - probably the same as the exotic Pratt & Miller engine replacement. 400ft/lbs of torque at 1,500rpm! Stock Corvette 6 speed. Suspension is Eibach Calloway Coil Overs with adjustable damping remote reservoirs. Sparco Carbon Fibre Race Race Seats. And late model Corvette ZR1 wheels with 19/305s front, 20/345 rear Michelin PilotSport Cup 2s, stock Z06 Brake Calibers with 2-piece aluminum hat brake rotors. Finished weight with 5-point harness and a harness bar is just 2,950 lbs / 640hp (weighing 600lbs less than the Supercharged ZR1 with the same power). It will blow away and our handle any supercar. Nearly half the price of the Pratt & Miller Corvette at the time back in 2007, with the same performance. Today you can by a nice used C6 Z06 for about $30K and spend $25K on the same mods and have a car equal to the P&M Supervette and blow away and out corner any Italian or British supercar ( they still have narrow 245-265 front tires so they don't corner!). P.S. The Michelin Pilot Cup tires work great even if old, but you just need to warm them up first. Just resist punching the throttle when driving off cold or the car will get sideways! Once hot, they stick like Gorilla glue and pull close to 1.5 Gs in the corners. Cheers :)
@stupidrelaoded probably touching 800. but this car isn't designed to be modded, it would destroy the collector value, which is what you're paying for by buying something like this instead of say, a Z06.
Call it super car, sports car just a car, whatever. It has one of the best performance. On 2008 it had 650 horsepower and when you are tired driving boring European automatic cars you can still enjoy an American manual 2017 Z06 or ZL1.
I think i'm in love! That car is awesome! Racecar looks and the power and performance to back it up. Makes me wish my Corvette was this cool. The only thing mine has in common with the C6RS is the color.
No, not really. As far as I know, there isn't a normally aspirated V8 out there that makes more power with less displacement, and still passes 50 state emissions. Sure, there are racing engines (i.e. ALMS, NASCAR) that make more power with less, but a streetcar? That has to pass emissions? No way.
@TheSmokingTire thats right and since your puting 600hp/600torque N/A you just cant put a turbo with doing major midification to the engine. And when you got more than 600hp N/A, its a hell of a feeling. That car is designed to stay original and perfect!
If you weren't listening, it's a tuned Z06 for the most part. That's why he said $186,000 + the price of YOUR Z06. They take your car and make it into that.
@camdaddy10 NASCAR engines are expected to last one race. They are built to very extreme tolerances, run race gas, and are tuned to run at full-throttle all the time. If any street car were tuned like that, reliability would go right out the window, and it would be nearly un-driveable on the street. I should know, as I owned a NASCAR powered Shelby Cobra replica. It was extraoridinarily fast, and completely miserable.
the ZR1 isn't faster, than the C6RS, and the engine is normally aspirated. The RS has the most horsepower of any normally aspirated V8 in any production car.
According to official sources, only 71 people-lucky owners of two Corvettes and 69 Camaros-were fortunate enough to get their hands on what was arguably the most powerful production car and engine package ever offered to the American public: the '69 all-aluminum big-block Chevy 427ci RPO ZL1. A relative of that era's all-aluminum Can Am road-race Rat motors, the ZL1 was factory-rated at 430 gross horsepower at 5,200 rpm, but the actual output was nearly 600 gross horsepower after tuned headers
