Predator 2 - Renegade Cut 

I'm not sure I agree. Maybe my media experience is different from yours, but 2000-2010 had a lot of very popular insubordination. Main character heros who don't play by the rules, but deliver results: Most notably 24 (although I haven't watch any myself), but also Taken, the Bourne Trilogy, Tropa de Elite, I Robot, etc. I feel like the trope of cops breaking rules or going against the system never really went away. House MD is a quintessential TV series of that decade and it featured a main character who is pretty much personified insubordination.

I don't think it is even remotely subtle

Except that that quick shot of the trophy wall was responsible for giving us those two turds called AvP and AvP2. ;)

1SaG After so much development hell, was it at all a surprise? lol

Fair point. However: I'm not too sure a cross-over was a good idea to begin with. It was a great little sight-gag in P2 and some of the AvP-video-games were great ... but a basis for more movies? And anyway: Are there any successful (movie-) crossovers? Freddie vs. Jason was a pretty awful stinker as well. And no: Marvel-movies don't count.. :D To me, all those efforts reek of desperation and are something of a last-ditch effort to further milk a franchise that's already been milked to death. Kinda like some of those ultra-trashy 1960s/70s horror-flicks that put classic horror-characters (Dracula, Frankenstein's monster, the Mummy, etc) on-screen together.

1SaG I liked the sight gag much better than the end product of the AvP films, because really, something so epic is going come with expectations and with the way Hollywood execs are, it was always going to disappoint, so I guess that's why I wasn't so upset that they sucked (the mean-spiritedness of Requiem is another issue entirely, neither here nor there). I'm one of the few who liked Freddy vs Jason, I liked the characterization of both of them in the film, but I can see why it fell flat for a lot of fans (although again long development hell for that one too so no surprise there).

Word. The zombie stuff that just won't die (how appropriate!) is like the last vestige of the post-9/11era in entertainment. Now, I love me a good zombie story, but I'm ready for it to be put to bed for a couple of decades.

+RIDDICK0911 The film does not show Harrigan pressing any clear advantage over the Predator, so the devastating injuries that Harrigan manages to inflict on the Predator with relative impunity look more like good luck than superior drive or skill.

+AlienatingPredation I think that's what the other guy is saying. The hero of both films mirrors their respective predators. The Jungle Hunter is more cerebral and plans things out like you'd find in the military and, more specifically, with Dutch. The City Hunter, like Matigan, sees his target and goes after it hard and fast. The whole conflict came down to who could hit the other first and the hardest.

I agree only in the way that Glover kills the Predator..that was just so simple...at least the way Arnold got the upper hand was more creative and plausible.

+Gootothesecond I see what you mean.

+Lekks Luthor In both duels, the human warrior lulls the Predator into a false sense of security. But there the symmetry ends. If a veteran commando like Dutch could not stand his ground in a face-to-face brawl with the Predator, then how could a police officer like Harrigan do so with an unfamiliar weapon?

l am the sad

Renegade Cut Ohh no worries thank you very much.

Strange Days is a pretty good example of a crossroads between the 80's and 90's approach to sci-fi cinema. The urban hellscape elements were very 80's, but the technology of memory capture in the film is very much in keeping with the 90's fascination with VR.

Black SJW-type here, co-signing on "people of color."

I had a reply to this written out, but I have decided that it's late, I'm tired and this is probably not the best of conditions to start a conversation on what I have a vague sense might be a sensitive issue, so I think I'll wait until morning and reconsider if anything I meant to say has enough merit to make it worth typing out again. As some obscure playwright from the late 1500s-early 1600s who you've probably never heard of once said, "Don't poke the bear at 10:30 PM; nothing good will come of it." Of course, when he wrote it, he shifted the words around to make it fit iambic pentameter, so it sounded more poetic. >.> I will say this though: Suddenly, this random joke from The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy makes sense to me.

cheezemonkeyeater Can't wait to hear this.

>Also, the thing about racial diversity today, I think is a sort of paradox. Because people weren't clamoring for it back in the 80s, Um...people of color were. You just couldn't hear it because there was no internet and we had no means of getting you to hear what we were saying in our living rooms and barber/beauty shops. That's what you're hearing now on the internet. >films could have more diverse casts and it wouldn't have been looked at as a big deal. ...to SOME white people. People of color thought it was a pretty big deal to see someone of color on screen that WASN'T being portrayed as some gross stereotype or wasn't killed in the first act, etc. >But now that people actually are calling for it, it becomes a political issue and the garbage left/right dichotomy that dominates American politics means that those who support racial diversity in movies are perceived as a threat to a social value that, strictly speaking, never actually existed by those on the supposed opposite side. You mean a social structure (as opposed to a social value)? I'm not sure I understand you here. We are very slowly emerging from a social structure which was violently opposed to the social, cultural, political and economic integration of people of color into mainstream American society. There is a significant amount of the oppressor population that absolutely considers that integration to be a threat to society. These people, who ostensibly desire for society to be dominated by white people, are assisted by the "alt-right" types, who are vociferously opposed to any social structure which doesn't place straight white men into the position of the default human being. >In truth, movies with racially (and sexually, if I can say that and not have it be taken wrong) diverse casts have existed in the past more than we realize ...what does that even mean? Sue, there were diverse casts. But was there a diversity of character and opportunity afforded to people of color in the same way that they were afforded to white people -- and white men specifically? Nope. We're still not there. >and it was never really a problem for anyone. Again, by "anyone" you are referring specifically to white people. This has been a problem for people of color for a LONG time, and it continues to be. >Nobody belittled predator for having a racially diverse cast, YOU didn't hear anyone belittle it, you mean or tried to claim it was SJW propaganda They didn't call them that back then. >(for the record, I cannot take anyone seriously who uses the term SJW without even the slightest hint of irony). Cool. >There's probably a point to be built out of this musing, but it's late for me and at the moment the only thing I can think about is that I find this a really unusual thing that might be interesting to study from perhaps a sociological perspective. There have been shitloads of studies on this. Use google.

Ah, yes, you are probably correct there. I do tend to forget how much the internet changed the nature of public discussion. It's amazing how quickly you can forget just how different it was before the internet made it possible for everyone to loudly express their opinions on a broad scale, even having lived before the internet was what it is today. As for what I had been about to say last night, I think I'll pass on that now. It's not really a racial issue so much as general cultural issue that is probably not best approached from that angle (the issue not being "What do we call minorities?" so much as "What does it really mean to respect people?"). And also would need a lot more thought put into how to express the idea than can really be put into a single youtube comment. And also it's extremely off-topic, making this very much not the correct time and place for that discussion anyway.

The concrete prison wall literally terrified me as a child

When do you think you'll do anther Q&A stream?

Got it

At this point, it is hardly political to point out that Fox News or Trump are garbage fires, or that the simplistic "tough on crime" mantra of extremist conservatives provably does not work.

James Dunn I don't personally have the statistics immediately on hand, but I have seen pretty compelling data in the past showing that certain approaches to law enforcement have distinctly diminishing returns. I don't exactly keep hyperlinks for that because most of that has been in print rather than online. I don't take that on faith, but you're free to look into it yourself so you wouldn't be taking my word on faith.

James Dunn Fox news has lied countless times, and there is a real-time fact-checking system to point out Trump's lying, this is not up for debate, this is all extensively well-documented by their own behaviour. It really is that simple. For someone awfully concerned with credible discussion, you were awfully quick to ad hominem the heck out of Leon, that doesn't exactly help prove your point, especially because your intentional hyperbole just undermines the damn parallel.

Yup.. nothing wrong with calling a liar a liar when the fact that he lied/lies is easily verifiable with a 30 second Google-search.

No, Islam is not a religion of peace, but if we had to get rid of all the religion that are not peaceful, only a few buddhist temples would remain open to the public. And yeah, diversity is a strength. If it wasn't, we wouldn't have had to deal with the US in the first place.

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