Just to add summary: Jane/John/Barkeep/Bomber loves himself/herself, because that's all he/she ever had. He's/she's stuck in a causal loop for eternity, forever, because he/she has no beginning or end. An analogy that was made in the movie was a snake or serpent biting on it's own tail; ouroboros. In beginning of the movie, barkeep asks which came first, chicken or egg, the first foreshadowing. His/her origin is himself/herself. He/she can't break out of it ever. He/she exists because of the loop.
@@ishaansejpal249 Well, you realize that when you watch the movie a second time. Heck, I have watched the movie five times and every time I pick something I did not before.
2:28 This One Frame!! It Gave Me Chills Even Before The Music Kickstarted.. This Movie Ended Up Making Me Speechless and Made Me To Think About it a Whole Day.. Never Knew I'd Stuck In a Loop Watching this Over and Over Like Jane/ John Stuck In Her/His Loop!! BRILLIANT MOVIE 👌👌
@@MrSPIDEY21 actually the thing is he IS the baby so ya the movie is great and i love it but who is the first father of him or her??????????????????????
Plotwise this holds astoundingly little water. Right off the top, one ought know that fucking yourself doesn't cause yourself to be cloned because fucking crossing over between the chiasmata takes place during Meiosis, resulting in a completely different genetic makeup of the resulting gametes. Even if we assume for a moment that meiosis functions differently in the worlds created by Heinlein, the penis transplanted into her would be producing someone else's sperm . There isn't any way that this could possibly occur. Masterful nonetheless .
@@hermannschneider7381 i mean we already grow some organs like bladder. That means in future we could grow anything with some editing of genetic bytes or something. Film is about alternative future hence futuristic square building and spacecorp or what it's called in film.
From the day the Fizzle Bomber dies, the Bartender has one thought niggling at the back of his mind: what if he was right? Which will lead to other long-lasting questions: What if the only was to save millions is to kill thousands? What is the greater good? Could that be the purpose of his convoluted life? If everything from her conception onward was predestined, serving a higher purpose (as Robinson would have put it), is the rest inevitable? Or is it a tragedy that repeats itself endlessly? The only one he could ask, the only one who might *truly* understand is... himself, yet it's too late... this time around. But maybe, just maybe, when HE becomes the Fizzle Bomber in the laundrymat, just maybe *this time* around he can change it. Maybe this time he can convince the Bartender not to shoot. Then the two of him can break the pattern and find a while new world, someones new to be. This time...
Waw best comment about the psychology of this movie so far i've been able to understand every single choice the character made through out the movie but not quite the one where he becomes the fizzle bomber
Jane thinks that John is the best thing that ever happened to her (she found love and acceptance); John thinks that the Barkeep is the best thing that ever happened to him (he was given another chance at the job he wanted with Robertson and purpose); the Barkeep thinks Jane was the best thing to ever happen to him (he loved her); Robertson thought that Jane was the best thing to happen to him - the first and only agent who was a completely self-contained life-cycle who would not disrupt time for any other human being in the world; and Robertson also thought that the Fizzle Bomber was the best thing that happened to him because he brought about the need and the growth of the bureau and its Temporal Agents.
@@jonathanmays9778 I think so. The oldest one said "we are Robertson" and he was about to tell him what they were going to do tomorrow before he shot him
the chapter that is "missing" now is after killing the fizzle bomber, who was his main dealing, John tries to live a regular life with the woman from the antique store, but probably feels unfulfilled with that life. he sees disasters taking place and he knows he has the ability to prevent them from happening since the time machine is still functioning. he starts doing that again, while keeping fresh and old clipping of newspapers reporting those disasters as proof to himself and perhaps others of a justification of beaching protocol, and as trophies of his accomplishments. he travels even further back in time, and all the while the time travels effects his mind as it starts to deteriorates. he starts using worse and worse methods to prevent disasters, and as he loses grip with reality, he fails to see that the methods he's using to prevent disasters are becoming disasters themselves. in his mind he is doing the right thing, like he did his whole life. until that day at the laundromat, right before another disasters disaster prevention, when his young self caches up to him, the scene right here. he tries to explain everything, and even tries to prevent it when he tells him not to kill him. maybe because until now the younger john was compassioned about himself and the messed up cycle his life is, but now by killing himself he ruined his mind and the purpose of his life, to set himself on that self destructing path once again.
There are some things I don't understand, who did the big explosion? The old one or the young one? Or that never happened? And they really prevent accidents or stuffs? All the movie show us that they can't alter anything they are just doing what it should happen. I think they are only killing people but not saving anyone
I think by creating time travel it created a paradox so maybe this is his reality...but who knows..this is why it's so mindblowing! One of my fav all time movies!
he is, he probably becomes Mr. Robertson after last scene, then exploder or idk how it's called in english, then he dies and that's how he's in this loop. I think the hint that he becomes Robertson is that at the end scene he has similar mustache and never had it during film before that
heres food for though: he killed his future self who was supposed to be the fizzle bomber, BUT now that hes dead, his present self will become the bomber and set off the catastrophe he was trying to prevent himself
@@cuteditupload8429 Well that's the question that isn't answered. In the film it's implied that the constant time travel is screwing with his head. So there may come a day where his mind has just been broken by all of this and becomes to irrational fizzle bomber.
@@AnimeWars2002 I know the exact reason why he becomes fizzle bomber but I will only tell you if you reply to my comment coz I don't know if u will see it or not
The reasoning of the fizzle bomber makes logical sense. For example if you know that 100 thousand people will die tomorrow but you can stop it from happening but it will mean you have to sacrifice 10 thousand lives to save 90 thousand. Would you do it or stand by and watch? If you remove emotional and moral reasoning the answer is yes. Every one was seeing the fizzle bombers actions as pure evil but could not realize that he was actually saving lives because he was a time traveler. Bar keep John will eventually understand this!
I was thinking about another Predestination movie but I want it to be about Robertson. Is he also stuck in a time loop like John/Jane? Why does he insure that John/Jane continue the loop? Much more fascinating than how John became the Fizzle Bomber ( through time traveling psychosis and a reason for Bureau to exist.)
So after that this barkeeper starts to use this time machine to prevent the explosions etc. but its all wiped from history because it never happened, so eventually he felt betrayed by the agency for not giving him a credit, and become a fizzle bomber.
For people asking, “will he become the fizzle bomber?”: Here’s my theory: Once he killed his future self, he probably time travelled around with his device saving thousands of lives. After prolonged use and large time jumps, he starts to become psychotic. At the beginning of the film, they say “he keeps changing the dates” meaning, the date and time is not set in stone, but eventually he will become the fizzle bomber. Another thing which hints at this possibility, is that as soon as he kills his future self, it shows you a newspaper headline saying “when will he strike again?”. Indeed, when? Who knows. That’s why he was only caught by himself.
We all have to make tough choices To influence the past, can we change our futures...? i don't know. The only thing i know for sure Is that you are the best thing that's ever happened to me I miss you dreadfully
...and you never expected it did you It just blind sided you on some random day, hitting you like some random thief robbing you of your clarity, like a baseball bat to the side of the head from behind This movie haunts you in a good way
If this movie simply got the recognition it deserves at the time of it's release, i would really love to watch a 'sequel' where one of the cycles were broken, which happened either with younger John deciding not to sleep with Jane, hence not leading to her pregnancy(which could result into another existential paradox) or older John deciding not to kill fizzle bomber and thus not turning into the fizzle bomber himself. It may sound very hard to picture unless you got a very talented writer to write it, but think about the possibilities
I have watched dozens of explanation or clips of this movie but no one highlighted the most important line. Fizzle Bomber says - "If you kill me you will become me. You get it that's how it happens. If you want to Break the chain, You have not to kill me and try to love me, again." He understood completely the predestination paradox and how his life is doomed to live in an endless loop and wanted to get out. Wanted to make his own choices in life.
this right here was my onlyyyy question...and u answered it omggg it makes soo much sense now. butttt i dont get it one thing even if barkeep did not kill fizzle boomer eventually john would come back again and be on barkeep spot pointing gun to his future..... it would just create another loop..
@@mahnoorshakil5273 That would not be the case. Every time travel movie follows a theory of time travel - Bootstrap Paradox (Like this movie, or in Dark Series), Single Timeline with changing future ( Back to the future movie), Multiple timeline with changing future (Flash tv series), Predestination Paradox (Like this movie or 12 Monkeys tv series, Dark series also). In the last type of theory (Predestination), timeline is fixed and everything that has happened will happen no matter what you do. And trying to change the timeline will also cause it to be on the same path. So no matter what he did he couldn't change it and won't change it ever again.
I like to think that at this moment 1:32 he wasn’t actually answering to Frizzle Bomber question, but to his own question “What if I put him in front of you… the man who ruined your life… would you kill him? To save thousands…”. He responds with simple “No…” because he know the man who ruined his life is himself, and he can’t kill himself because of time travel paradox. He destined to suffer in this never ending loop over and over… and over again.
This movie did what Tenet does, only on a smaller scale. It's a paradox, executed rather well and it's definitely more user-friendly and approachable than Tenet.
Tenet have a more interesting and complicated concept. But compared to this movie, Tenet is really bad because Tenet characters barely has any personality and no character development, that's why Tenet is far worse then Interstellar and Inception, Nolan forgot to focus more on the characters which this movie did far better job of
@Ari but Nolan could have incorporated it in, maybe with Max or even dive deeper on Neel and the protagonist relationship to make the twist at the end more heartbreaking. Compared to Interstellar and Inception, this movie have a little to no emotion. The protagonist never really show any emotion, he didn't even act surprised when he learned about the whole inverting thing.
My thought process this whole movie was so fucked (knowing that I didn't know that Ethan Hawke John was the same person as Jane): So at first I thought the guy saving the guy burning on the floor was both Ethan John, because the genre was time-travel and why would he help him like that and nothing more Then, thought John (at the bar) was the bomber, because he admired him a little very suspiciously Then, thought the guy that Jane met was Ethan John Then, thought the guy who snatched the baby was Ethan John (ding ding ding) Then, thought at some point that Ethan John was Robertson Then, thought that Ethan John and John are definitely two different person because we figured that John was the one who fell in love with Jane Then, thought that John snatched the baby away because of how John thought the guy who did was the same as the one who left him Then, got confused and thought either John or Ethan John is the bomber, but no sure Then, thought that the bomber was somebody else, because the guy who set the bomb had a beard and long hair which both John didn't have Then, thought wtf, like literally Then, everything was revealed and holy mother of god, my brain was so fucked by the end I stopped and sat there an entire hour trying to contain all this fuckery
If the barkeep lets the fizzle bomber live, then the fizzle bomber will die of old age while the barkeep has psychosis and becomes the bomber. Eventually he meets the next barkeep and the cycle continues and nothing has changed. If the barkeep kills himself in the laundromat, then John will catch up to that moment in time but will encounter no one because the original barkeep killed himself. However, it’s likely that the psychosis was inevitable. In the face surgery scene, it is noted on his medical reports that psychosis is going to happen. So john ends up becoming the fizzle bomber anyways. Given the time travel violin still being available, his purpose on life continues as being a hero, but the psychosis sets in and he inevitably begins killing for the greater good. Whichever way it happens, it is inevitable. Jane/John/Barkeep/FB are always inevitable.
He has to go and kill all the versions of himself and kill himself to end this loop, I guess. But humans have a strong need to survive. For him to get in a place mentally, emotionally, and psychologically to end this loop in this manner is nearly impossible and unlikely.
So the ultimate bad guy in this story is Robertson who totally manipulated Jane and started her on a path towards being/becoming John and then had the nerve to have John receive a time-traveling device that didn't deactivate on purpose; thus predestinating him into madness to become the Fizzle bomber that he needed. Despite what this meant for Jane/John.
If you think about it time wise, that is John talking to the bartender again. Except the last time John saw the bartender was before he made her an agent. So the next time she/he sees the bartender again, is when he is the bomber.
When you get yourself pregnant with yourself so you can impregnate yourself with your own self so you can be born so you can be born. Wait what’s happening
Not only are you loving your sister but you also made love with your own mother in 2 parallel universes. This creates an ∞ of infinite loop because even if you break the 1st you won't be able to break the 2nd And that's how there's 2 of them
I don't know if this is important to note or not, but I noticed two things: 1. The Fizzle Bomber's glasses. On the edges of the frames are metal lines that are vertical (0:11); while Jane's glasses are horizontal (2:44). Other than that, they're pretty much the exact same model fame. 2. The Bartender's revolver shot 7 rounds. Is that a special type of gun of an editing error?
At first I thought Ethan and John/Jane were two different characters, but picked up hints throughout the conversation at the bar. It then became clear midway through the movie that they are all the same person stuck in an "unbreakable" time loop. The nail in the coffin is when Ethan was fighting the fizzle bomber, but the latter didn't pull the trigger at point blank. Good movie overall, but perhaps I caught on quicker since all time travel movies have similar themes. These are fun movies. I love sci fi that stretches the imagination, intriguing and makes you think. Although the ending was fairly predictable, I'm glad I stumbled upon this one (while in search of good time travel / sci-fi movies).
This movie is so crazy at the beginning he says if I put you in front of the man who destroyed your life it's him and at that moment she can't kill himself but later on he does the three of them are I mean it's just maddening it's fucking insane if you keep watching this movie you'll go insane
This was a really good film, the letdown was the twist at the end being the same people which was a bit unconvincing. I get he could have a face transplant but they didnt even have the same body type. Plus the eyes and voice would still be the same as before.
After Puppet Masters and Starship Troopers (which can be enjoyed, but is certainly not the story Heinlein wrote) I wasn't sure I wanted to chance watching another movie based on an RAH story - especially one only 12 pages long. It seemed to be predestined to be a disaster. Happily, I was so, SO wrong. I cannot imagine it done better. This film is what RAH would have written had he been asked to turn his short story "--All You Zombies..." into a feature length film. Superlative.
predestination is violation of all rules of physics-chemistry-nature-reality-matter it is impossible to happen or form no matter how advance the humans become.
@@theguy3129 if John betrayed Jane and this is the reason why Jane was born, who was the first John to betray Jane? It's impossibile that a loop has no start. The only solution to infinite loops of time travel is multiverses. If the first John came from another universe that could be a solution. I hate this kinds of things because you have to accept it and take it for good even if the logic is flawed, nonetheless a good film after all.
I just thought of film put in Google time travel saw the image of actor and thought hmm think that's it. Looked few vids the ending defo the film. Shouldn't of really looked should have just watched and then I wd been like this is the film
İf there was no fizzlebomber than jake wouldnt go back in time and cause jane's birth and ultimately jake wouldn't born so there had to be a fizzlebomber but didnt our guy killed him and stopped the explosion? İt is a paradox this movie is a paradox and when it explains itself we see not bullshit but an incredible dilemma
Christian overtones with loving thyself as your neighbor and by not loving himself due to cause of evil he becomes evil in the future instead of killing his own existence by accepting and not succumbing to the evil parts within. It puts a spin on free will and decision making
I feel like there’s a possibility that he could escape the loop if he’d let his future self commit the big New York attack and then he could kill his future self and not become the fizzle bomber. Unless I missing or misunderstanding something.
I believe if he doesn't shoot him he becomes Robertson and escapes the loop. As Robertson he then goes back and recruits and manipulates himself/herself to be predisposed to shoot himself like we see play out. Technically Robertson is in his own loop as well. He must always go back, recruit Jane, convince John to steal the baby etc. Its all a mind***k, idk lol
Even if he doesn’t kill future self him right then. At some point present time him will travel to a point in time where he can commit the attack. Because future him has already done it. It happened. It will always happen. A fixed point. He does it.
I still dont understand why the younger version was so hate filled at this point he would irrationally kill himself He understood the rules He had participated in creating/ruining his own life, gets angry at himself for creating/ruining his own life despite doing it, and then kills himself Imagine waking up the next day and thinking about that Knowing you just killed yourself, it just hasnt happened yet ...Nor why would this inevitably lead to some breaking of the loop (I killed myself this way after saying this, perhaps say something different) *Head collapses*
Am I just morbid I couldnt kill myself I mean its me Every time I watch this movie I cant get over this scene Why did I do what I will do Why would I judge myself pre-emptively if those are the choices I made! Then again I think before I act
Here's the problem with these movies. If the fizzle bomber knew the chain could be broken then why go to the laundry building in the first place? That would've broken the chain right there and changed the loop he's in. Makes no sense
You just ended the love of your life Ive said this before, Ill say it again, Id hate to be this guy/gal the next morning What would be going through your head, You just killed yourself
@@OneEyedCloud01 Jane was born with both Male and Female organs, and after she gave birth, her female organs went bad, so they created a male urinary tract, and eventually she became a full-on fertile man
