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d/w we all felt the same way (i was the same during brexit and I became very condescending ...and had to really apologise to a close friend who was pro brexit who really meant well but I suppose felt that working class was'nt represented by the left anymore, and in some ways... he's kind of right, at least about representation..) just have to self reflect and think of a more effective way of engaging people who we disagree with. (totally agreed with how you delt with gamergate btw I defo know you can be capable of level-headed debate.. I am mean you talked to people like king of pol, internet aristocrat and fucking roguestar games when it all kicked off and came out cool as a cucumber despite some of their... unique views...)
You didn't turn into anything. You were always like this, you and your leftist cronies. Smug, condescending, holier than thou bullies. After all those years, you've finally lost, and it feels so good to finally fire back.
I would say to have be the prettiest prettiest princess again (or something similar) to make it all up to Genna.. Nah just kidding ;) It is nice to see that you are getting a clear head again!
That depends, do you believe in the patriarchy? Do you think the US/EU is a rape culture? Do you think all white people are racist, and all men are sexist? Do you think gender is a social construct? Do you think that every moment of sex should be verbally consented to like some kind of pay as you go sex call? If you believe in any of these things then yes, you should reevaluate yourself, go watch Thunderf00t or Sargon or anyone similar on feminism and the regressive left. If not you're probably not as far left as you think.
oBLACKIECHANoo I've always considered myself a Center-Left, but I admit, I've looked down on Right-Wing and Conservative people a lot, on intellectual/political/religious matters...
As someone who's right wing, I have respect for SOME left wingers these days because they stand for something and don't spew bullshit all over the Mainstream Media. Liberals (for the most part) are a fucking cancer on society, they are made up of whiny, idiotic children who rely entirely on celebrities and the Mainstream media to formulate their political beliefs for them.
I have YET to hear a republican tell me wtf they have to offer the common man. I ask and all i get is "what do the dems have to offer!?" I didn't ask that. Or "to grow" Grow where? Up my ass? Because you can make a business anytime in most countries. Trump was given a chance, he blew it. NEXT!
@@M3TALG0DS That is the whole problem, the choices you have are which of the 2 are least bad. What is needed is elections to be more than just a 2 horse race. Maybe then there will be some real change.
M3TALG0DS what are u talking about, better salaries/paychecks, less government regulation, more jobs, strong military, competition in the market, not letting social justice and diversity dictate every political move for the sake of it, rewards based on merit and not the color of ur skin, lower taxes, a protected country with strong borders, etc.
I am actually applauding you for being one of the few persons that got the problem in its core. Now,can you just preach it to those idiots in the streets?
To me the way people are attributing this problem to PC culture and SJWs is misidentifying the problem completely. Trumps voter base comes from forgotten America, those neo-liberalism left behind whilst the rich got richer. That being said Hillarys campaign focused way too much on identity politics.
Us Bernie folk have been preaching this forever, because we all had boots on the ground and talked to you guys very constructively. The Democratic Party is pathetic.
For the most part it never really "worked". Like he said, people mostly just stopped discussing things. That's not "working", that's a chilling effect.
+Lacke It's not really fair to assume that this was the only reason, although I think both sides saw a definite lift from anger-votes. But it can't be boiled down to anything that simple. No disrespect, but while it's not a harmful or derogatory position to take, that might still be taking the easy way out.
I stopped identifying with the left when I heard logical arguments that easily debunked things I'd previously held to be sacred. It takes time and endurance to push through the cognitive dissonance and force yourself to grow. The best thing about this election is that it simultaneously proved the existence of a suppressed silent majority AND demonstrated how utterly redundant the mainstream media has become. Not only did they fail to rig the election for Hillary, they accidentally handed it to Trump.
His stance on gay rights? That may be something he's personally not bigoted about, although I wouldn't bet on it, but his running mate, and his party platform, is about as homophobic as possible. I see mass marriage anulments and gay people who are now out and identified being compulsorily discharged from the military...
J J Haycock Blue Barbe a lot of projection going on and sadly no introspection. The right wing is guilty of lack of nuance and also quick to label entire groups of people one way or the other without actually engaging with them, they have done so with groups like BLM or the refugees. The right is also quick to be sensationalize and be outraged by non issues such as star bucks cups and people saying "happy holiday" instead of "merry Christmas". All I'm saying is that both sides have flaws and this holier than thou attitude doesn't get us anywhere.
Hmm... I'm not convinced. Because if it is, why is the right doing well despite repeatedly calling everyone who disagrees with them namby-pamby, bleeding-heart liberals; or tree-hugging, lovey-dovey lefties; or terrorist-sympathising, ISIS-loving traitors; or PC-obsessed SJWs. It's got to be more than just namecalling. There's got to be more that the left is doing wrong.
+Bob McBob they gave up on reaching out to that that truck driver that lives in that small town that has never been visited by a democratic politician.
People have told pollsters that the reason they will vote for Biden is because 'He is not Donald Trump'. What does that tell us? Biden is another ineffective soft soap Democrat, and perhaps an even worst one than Hilary Clinton. I live in New Zealand (sad to say we now have 24 COVID deaths, but Trump still thinks the USA is doing a better job than we are) but if I was an American, I would vote for Biden but feel sad about it. I would definitely have voted for Bernie Sanders, and hoped for a miracle. Mean while, deep thinkers like@RapidFireReaper will apparently vote for Trump so they can own a bunch of automatic weapons, and fuck the important stuff.
@@TrevorDennis100 24 covid deaths and you think it is a pandemic? are you idiots this brainwashed when in the same time 2000 people have died from flu etc? what has happened to people ffs!?Trevor i am sad to say you maybe brainwashed!
He's 100% correct. Believe it or not, he is making the exact same argument (regarding free speech, free exchange of ideas, and open and HONEST dialogue) that Milo Yiannopulous makes. They may be on opposite sides of the the ideological fence, but they share the same passion for open and honest debate. This is one of the best rants I've heard in a long time, although I count myself in Milo's camp, ideologically speaking.
I'm seeing a lot more of this argument from some on the left who realize that the opposition silencing has come back to bite them in the ass. Here's a great piece today from the Daily Caller: dailycaller.com/2016/11/11/twilight-of-the-cultural-tastemakers/
Milo's actions rise to the level of harassment frequently. Having a right and having the good judgement to exercise it carefully are two different things.
Asteroid/Earth 2016 freedom of speech does not mean freedom from the consequences of using it. Just because you could say something, doesnt mean you necessarily should. You have every right to offend me, but if you do it in the wrong way dont be suprised if you get a smack in the kisser.
I belong to the left and has allways found it distasteful and horrid, if that counts for something. I'm also a norwegian, living in a country where people don't act that way, and where conversation and debate is still held in high regard.
Wow, that just raised the IQ of political discourse in the world by quite a bit. I wonder if the people he is talking to will even understand, never mind agree.
Join the right wing death squads, we have freedom, cookies, and jokes about dead Jews. And if that offends people, they'll probably grow from it. Time to stop being overgrown babies.
***** It's a joke. The entire point is to offend. Let people have fun by getting a rise out of you, and have fun yourself getting a rise out of them. If it's not uncouth and offensive and nasty, it wouldn't need to be protected. Free speech protects the dirty, nasty things people don't like hearing, not the nice flowery things that nobody minds. So exercise it, to see who the enemies of free speech really are. Then exercise it more, to bother them.
Fucking hell that was nuclear, about time the left grew a pair, I don't even agree with this guy on Brexit at all but his stand for reason and democracy is nothing short of nailing it.
Kranku His 9min rant on the referendum was also spot on. He wasn't really pro-eu and was well aware of the real issues coming with staying in (and that the EU was anti-socialism).
Kranku His 9min rant on the referendum was also spot on. He wasn't really pro-eu and was well aware of the real issues coming with staying in (and that the EU was anti-socialism).
I'm a Trump supporter, and whenever someone brings an intelligent argument to the table like this; I listen and I respect it. This is what we've been seeking all along while getting shut down by marxist buzzwords and fear of unemployment for raising our concerns.. It's not the early 1900's anymore, the shit that has been going on won't fly anymore.
I'm glad to see so many comments who can agree to disagree! Or acknowledge that they agree on some things, and not others, and remain cordial. I was so fearful we've lost that ability over the past decade or so. I see it on both sides, but I do admit the left has been a lot worse about that. If you fall under any negative label they brand you with, often without even doing what they accuse you off, you lose all credibility to them. Then they tell people to avoid you/not support you over a trivial thing, such as a statement, often without providing sources. And even with sources, is a statement enough to condemn someone, or harass them? I feel like the left feels like they're little lawyers and detectives. The stuff Hillary said years ago about the black youth? Oh, she's changed her mind! Trump's comments a decade ago? Sexist! I don't like what either candidate has said in the past, but ignoring what one said and focusing on another, is bias, and frankly, corrupt. People need to learn to stop being so biased, and look at the WHOLE picture, and think more rationally, than emotionally. And the left even comes to the point where even if you are a member of one of the minorities they claim to defend, if you question anything, or say or do something they do not agree with, they throw you to the dogs. I've seen so many cases of queer people being doxxed or harassed by internet vigilantes, because they disagreed with some part of some left-focused topic. There isn't discussion anymore. It's such black and white, us vs them thinking nowadays. People are forgetting that everyone is different in every way, and it would be so much better if we took the time to listen to each other, and agree to disagree. But the left tends to say, "If you think like this, you hate X group/want X group dead!" which is such a huge jump. Then what you have to say is invalidated to them because you fall under X negative label.
I just discovered this channel and watched a bunch of his vids. He literally could have posted this yesterday! Nothing has changed, same attitudes, same mistakes. .... same results!
"They haven't learned a thing." You are faaaaar too kind. Instead of doing the introspection that they needed to do, they doubled down on all of the things that he attacks in his rant.
No it's not a shame. The numbers are just showing how many people are open minded enough to even watch or hear things like this. Stating it's a shame does not get us anywhere. Bring people here to watch this, and more like these vids. :)
As a Trump supporter if Liberals were like this I would not have a problem with them. In the past year not ONE liberal has talked to me in a civilized way to DISCUSS why their choice of Hillary was better than Trump. So we elected Trump.
You miss the point if you're throwing labels around, likening all lefties to SJW idiots is akin to likening right wingers to racists, come on now, you're smarter than that.
Correct, the only argument I ever heard are: "are you kidding me? hes a racist and sexist!" Without naming any evidence except some insults to individual women (he also insulted men, so does he hate men?)
Haven't heard any real arguments from either side to be honest. Nobody was talking about any issues and all the focus was one the two candidates personal lives and attitudes, like they matter at all. A president should promote the views of his party. Nothing more. A president's opinions may conflict with his party's views, but that shouldn't stop him from promoting these views. So please stop focusing on the person himself, because unless he's a dictator and goes against his own party, he doesn't run the country all by himself.
I'm not a liberal, pr. see, as I am a social democrat in a country where that term means something completely different. But I do belong to the left, and where I come from Hillary Clinton and the democratic party is anything but a left wing party. Because when it comes down to it, left wing policies are mainly about economy and social security. I also live in a country where it's common for people to have friends across the political spectrum, where insults such as racist, sexist, sjw and libtard is rather uncommon. And I'm not surprised at all that a demography where sallaries has been stagnant for 20 years under numerous democratic presidents, where the cost of health care has grown insanely high, where people struggle to keep their house and food on the table might not bother to trust yet another candidate endorsed by the very people skimming the cream of their hard labour, while at the same time having to watch their jobs be moved overseas. Especially not when the educated and well payed young people, the very people who actually benefit from capitalism is opposing it while shitting all over the same people who are victimised by it. Not at all. So Devon Ziegler... Here I am, a social democrat, a person who you might see as a communist from your perspective, and I stand in solidarity with you. If I lived in the US, having to work my ass off for 12 hours a day in order to survive, I would have probably voted for Trump as well. Hillary wouldn't have changed much, but neiher will Trump. You had a shot this election, I honestly do believe that Sanders could have made a difference. In addition, he also pointed out that he WOULDN'T be able to perform miracles, and that he needed the support of both the house and senate in order to make any changes. He didn't promise much, because he knew the limitations that are in place, but what he did promise he would have fought for. The working class used to be the backbone of the democratic party, now they have rebelled as the democratic party has failed them. Trump won't change that. Your enemy isn't blacks, hispanics, illegal immigrants or among those lines. Your enemy is the very corporations who is reaping the benefits of your hard labour. The ones that get rich on your backs, the ones that exploits your labour, and whom increasingly has figured out that they can earn even more by exploiting people in third world countries for even less money. I stand in solidarity with the american, hard working people. I think it is about time that your labour is valued for what it is. I think it is about time that you can live comfortable lives without having to worry about forclosure, health care bills or the education of your children. About time you don't have to worry about your future. Greetings from Norway, and from a libtard that was not with her.
Asteroid/Earth 2016 I've lost a 6 years old friendship because I said to a friend that I supported Trump, American friends were fucking afraid to loose their jobs or social life or their places in university if they admitted that they would vote for Trump. Their was simply no dialogue possible the left was simply a huge bully who silenced any other views and opinions with -ist and other -phobic and whine enough to literally kill somone life/income/future if they dared to not follow the mass like a brainless sheep. I'm fucking GLAD that America got redpilled and slapped the regressive left with a wake up call.
I will be subscribing now. I am likely going to disagree with 90% of the things you stand for, but if you meant a word of what you said in this video, I will gladly sit in this chair and listen to what you have to say.
@@mactek6033 Watch the video again. Trump is a symptom and the Left is the disease. You can blame Democrats 100%! - Trump himself may be vile, nasty and mean but, Democrat voters as a people are far worse and Trump is my reaction to their cult. It's not Trumps supporters burning, and looting Democrat cities in the name of a career criminal. We want law, order and above all justice and Trump did that on day one.
Mac Tek this melt down is the Democrats. Who wanted to lock down their states? Who tribes in the voting booth by diff demographics having a victim mentality. You’re not watching trumps America, you’re watching the melt down of the Democratic Party and attempt to completely change and reshape America
@@rowlandbuck2703 We just had an election here in the UK. The left also decided to double down and fight the people, and it just resulted in them being wiped out for a generation. I'd take it as a harbinger of what's to come in the US. Was last time lol.
@@M3TALG0DS Have you heard of American Solidarity Party? They're a new political party, and I'm backing their presidential candidate: Brian Carroll & VP candidate Amar Patel. If we're still all doomed, at least I'll go down for what I believe in.
Stuart JSA yet the libtards continue to believe that calling everyone in America sexist, racist, islamophobic, homophobic white supremacists. Thy honestly believe that they will shame people into voting liberal, by alienating a good majority of your average American voters they believe they can win.
Bill Gultch just like calling them libtards will encourage debate. while I admire this man's selfdeprication its not as if the right was willing to engage in any kind of constructive debate. remember it takes two to get in to a fight.
Sam Ancer I wouldn't agree with that, neither side is a monolith and there are people on both sides willing to debate. I really think this is representative of how the left has acted during this campaign but at times is has been better than it is now.
I agree that the fault is on people who refuse to engage in debate. I was pointing out that it occurs on both sides, I did not say that there were not liberals at fault, I was merely pointing out that calling someone a libtard (which is seems more unjustified for having a leftwing view than saying people who support someone who promised racist policies racist) is just if not more so problematic to engaging a serious debate on issues than calling someone a racist. I just found it ironic he was complaining about people labelling him and then just used a massively derogatory label himself
Sam Ancer Hmmm I guess I did just make a pretty blatant "not all argument there", but your correct its people on both sides. However I really disagree that calling some one a libtard is even in the same boat as calling some one a racist. I have never heard of some one getting fired for being accused of being a libtard but I have heard of people getting fired for being accused of being a racist.
I totally agree, and there is not enough of it going on today. Too many people think that if someone doesn't agree with them on a topic, that automatically means they are being attacked, and must attack in return. Sadly, I have seen more of this on the left than on the right. Just looking at the numerous times at various colleges where people are protested and speakers are attacked and disinvited because they have beliefs that differ from others. We need to spend more time on understanding each other, and why we hold the views we hold. That doesn't mean we will agree on everything, but we will at least understand why we hold those views rather than its because of racism, sexism, exc.
Having been in that position myself, I know that a lot of that comes from acting emotionally, feeling victimized. A lot of people have felt like they are victims of policies or actions people take that have bases in religious groups (on campuses, religion is often related to the kinds of stuff you're talking about). It's not right -- an eye for an eye -- but I know where it comes from. We as a people need to learn better emotional training and management, because it goes beyond just religion. This here is one of the reasons, I don't feel like I fit into any of the standard groups or labels society has. I tend to lean left, progressive, libertarian, personal freedom, on issues. But what those first two labels hold for a lot of people are emotionally weak children who shame people they disagree with into silence. I mean, just look at the internet and the mobs of SJWs that go out of their way to destroy the lively hood of people that hold a different viewpoint. It brings it back to the top. Debate. Persuasion. Compromise. These things require you to engage and comprehend the positions and views of others. I've changed my views on just as many things as other people have changed theirs. That or we just accept we see the world differently and move on.
Exactly. Diversity includes different ideas. You can't have real diversity in a crowd of black, white, brown, Asian, gay, straight, etc if everyone thinks the same and has the same opinion on everything. That's a garden of flowers where everything smells the same.
Person A wants to be left alone. Person B wants to physically hurt person A Why won't person A accept person B's feelings? Let's discuss our differences? Bad things are actually happening to my personal friends and loved ones because of the rhetoric that is being espoused by one of the Parties. You might not be a racist. But pointing out racism is not racism. Nazi symbols and beating people up is not discussing differences. Rationalize why it's OK all you want , but you'll just be proving my point.
That's false equivalence. Nazi symbols and beating people up is not discussing differences. Correct. That is something completely different and needs to be addressed in a different manner. People whining because of differing opinions and people reporting someone being violent or harassing a person are not the same thing at all.
wildsurfer12 as a guy from Boro and watching this after the Tory win, it scares me how true he is. And how because of this dismissal of conversation and explanation we push people away from what actually helps them.
And the 'left' still hasn't learned it's lesson. These constant political thrashings are not a support of right wing political policies. They're a rejection of the bullshit that has infected leftwing politics.
Well, Jonathan Pie is right on. I am from rural Ohio - I grew up on a farm. I worked super hard and made it into college. I graduated with honors from a great liberal arts college in Ohio. I then moved to Seattle. I thought I leaned left was but was not left enough for the people I worked with. These were very nasty, passive aggressive, far left people. I was conservative compared to them. They treated me like I was inbred, backward, etc. while they were progressive, sophisticated, etc. They persecuted me, discriminated against me, etc. They hated everything good and wholesome and held up as great most all things malignant. I had initially bought into the hype that the left was tolerant, inclusive, embraced diversity, etc. but found out that all of this is rubbish---it is a lie! If you disagree with them on social issues, etc. they will shut you out. I accepted them but they did not accept me. Over time, all of this turned me against the left in general and now I am conservative. Hillary calling Trump supporters deplorable fits the pattern as does referring to inland America as "flyover". The left's behavior in this regard really hurt those on the receiving end and is a reason why Trump reasonated so well. The so called deplorables overwhelmingly are solid, hard-working, wonderful, traditional, patriotic, common-sense people and are not at all the hate filled bigots the left portrays us to be.
In Seattle, when "liberals" set fires and destroy businesses is is 'free speech.' But if you insult Grunge you are a racist corporatist extreme right winger. All said as they stand in line to pay $10 for a coffee at Starbucks.
I know what you mean-- I'm a mixed-ballot Seattle native. A week later, and most of my friends are STILL spewing posts demonizing anyone who didn't vote for Hillary, with no signs of slowing down. I've been coming to watch this video every day for a sanity check. 'Normal' here is asking my husband to lower his voice when he mentions politics where we might be overheard, being extremely careful not to mention current events, or a dozen other 'tip-toe over glass' subjects.
Now show me on the doll where the left touched you..... Cmon guy that's only a small segment of democrats. Those are ultral leftists you probably would be shout out by ultra right wing people too. There's plenty of moderate leftists that lean conservative on certain issues but still got dem like me that would t treat you like that.
As a classical liberal/libertarian leaning type, I don't consider this modern iteration of far left social justice warriors as true liberals. They are merely authoritarians and/or neoliberal elitists who hold a few socially liberal views so that they can feel good about themselves and morally superior in their privileged lives. They are essentially the flip side of the religious right who use tactics of shaming and silencing in their own way. True liberalism stresses equality, individuality, challenging prevailing viewpoints, and an openness in expressing differing ideals and freedom of speech. The mainstream modern left, at least in America, goes against all these fundamentals. That's why I always find it funny when these people belittle the religious/extreme right, because in many ways they are their mirror image and share many similarities.
@@theoutsider8745 too bad Trump hasn't been much of a monster so far and has gained more support through his successful presidency. The unemployment rate is the lowest it's been in 54 years not to mention the pullback of escalating hostilities with Iran. Although there is plenty to criticize just like any president, take Obama for example he deported more illegal immigrants than Trump by such a large margin that Obama's nickname was "Deporter in Chief." Yet I never hear the media bring this up as well as the Democrats going so far left that as someone who is most of the time a centrist is now closer to the right than the left. I forgot which news publication said this but according to policies during respective presidencies if you voted for Obama twice you are closer to a Republican/Trump now because of the far left media push. The Democrats are doing it to themselves and it's a shame.
@@Zappappappappa i can see it in everyone's eyes. They're tired of the bullshit. You're with me or against me if you disagree I'm going to hurt you. After these riots oh boy... their will be more
You would be surprised if you looked a little bit harder, there are a lot of liberals out there who absolutely despise the social justice warriors and the Neoliberals (*coughlikemecough*). Many of them are also more libertarian (not the movement, more in the political compass context) leaning with beliefs grounded in social democracy and democratic socialism.
JTR, most of them as you have said identify more as libertarians than liberals, which might explain why we agree so much in that particular department.
I think it might partly be social media and how it creates an echo chamber for everyone, so people are only exposed to views they already agree with and end up believing everyone else thinks the same as them, so they get over confident about their opinions and feel more righteous about them, and it's easier to dismiss and ridicule other people who think something different, because they're seen as an outlier in comparison to all the info on your Facebook/twitter feed that supports your own view. And that's the same for both 'left' and 'right.'
Definitely. People should be inviting their opposition to challenge them not trying to shame them into silence, and those that are silent to stop the fear of being shamed. There is no shame in trying to have a reasonable debate.
The New Knights Code labels that get banded about: commie, libtard, socialist, racist, sexist, pie in the sky... The left, right and centre are all doing it and it becomes quite toxic.
I think you missed the point slightly. He suggested that part of the reason the Dems lost was because they didn't debate well and just slung insults at the right. You watched that clip and posted that with no irony or self awareness. Bravo.
Not Now woah woah ok dude I was with you on the rant train till you started insulting a guy talking about his own home political zone. Bring the aggression down, I get mad as hell too thinking about ANTIFA and the bullshit they pull. But we are better than them my friend. And look Britain is with us too now. Things will start looking up soon.
Lol I will revist this on Nevember should Trump get re-elected. After the Iowa Fiasco, I am guessing the dems will do to bernie EXACTLY what they did to him in 2016. I swear, the corporate DNC has got to be Trump's greatest ally.
Ray Zer exact same principle isn’t it? All I saw in my twitter feed during the election period was people insulting those who were voting Tory. It’s unbelievably pathetic.
Wow, as a conservative, it's a breath of fresh air to listen to him. As a 25 year old, this is the first liberal I've ever heard argue like an adult and argue philosophically. Usually they just insult us and and freak out (and then call us the bigots, ironically). I am glad to see there is at least one grownup liberal out there. Holy smokes!
People like him exist all over. It just depends on where you go. On social media, because it's always a lowest common denominator cesspit, you'll always get hyperbole from all ends. People on the left are the regressive "everything offends me" type and people on the right are very much an "uneducation is my education" type. Both are terrible. Furthermore, social media simply allows people to create and live in a bubble. The left will blame the right for being idiots and bigots, yet the right will blame the left for being too coddling and childish. None of them are talking about the decades long failure of neoliberalism and globalization and technology hollow out the middle and push us into a post-work society. Instead, they look for what hyperbolic nonsense they can get worked up about while they ignore the greatest social transformation of this century. To give you a specific example, where are we talking about the fact five million jobs will be gone from the US before 2020 and driverless trucks will get rid of America's most employed occupation? Instead, we're digesting Alex Jones and Anita Sarkeesian. What rubbish.
as a liberal that hated Hillary there are a lot more of us. The Democratic party for a long time is not what liberals truly are. The true left stayed home this election cycle because they could not vote for wither candidate.
@ShakinJamacian: Bravo, so much truth in your post. I consider myself conservative but I have long been thinking about much of what you say and consider it to be the real core of these issues. Further automation of the workforce in the (near) future is one of the things which terrifies me most - I am not against it per se, but I just do not know how our societies will handle it, I'm not convinced it will be handled very well; my gut feeling is it will simply create a larger underclass of people out of work and dependent on state subsidy. My parents are in their 70's and they often talk about how when they were young "people" talked about how computers would mean everyone worked less and had more leisure time, while still delivering the same levels of productivity as before computers. But instead what they got was people working the same hours or more, but expected to deliver much more in that time due to the computer assistance accelerating their workloads. I can imagine something similar happening going forward with new technologies as a best case scenario, but at worst as I alluded to earlier, the prospect of having way too many people with their jobs taken by machines, who will then no longer serve a "useful" purpose to society, but will still require food, housing, services, and a certain standard of living to stop them going mad. Add to that things like medical science extending lifespans even further it just boggles the mind - this is where sci-fi like Logan's Run and Elysium come from!
spongthe1st One way we could handle it is with a basic income. How we devise that is important, but I'd like to phrase the significance of it like this. If we assured people a minimum floor, they wouldn't suffer via poverty and precarious situations. This not only means we can get rid of work that is either bad for the Earth (coal jobs) but also automate things that are simply cheaper and safer to give to machines, like truck drivers. Not only this, but poverty is a mental disease: we know enough to say that being in poverty increases anxiety, stress, and actually causes neural pathways in the brain to be damaged and closed. We actually hinder human potentiality and wellbeing by letting people live in poverty. A basic income is also not a left idea, but a forward idea. Looking into people who support it, it ranges from the current President of the United States, to most technologists, to members of the World Economic Forum, to Martin Luther King Jr, to Richard Nixon, to even Stephan Hawking. And yet, no establishment figure really is hammering this point. Trump literally banked on a job policy circa 1986, not 2016. And we're prone to lose at least 5 million jobs before the end pf the decade to automation and AI, specifically. His failure here will show his introduction to fascism also misses the mark, just like neoliberalism has for decades. We should really be asking why we've made automation and better methods of production so chaotic for people. How is it that we're literally more prosperous as a nation than at any time ever in human history, yet nearly half of the people living here need at least two jobs, and they still struggle for baseline needs? Something is fucking warped here.
"Being offended doesn't work ANYMORE. Throwing insult doesn't work ANY.MORE!" Damn right! Insulting someone only shuts down the conversation but doesn't change the perspective of someone. It will only show that those who throw insults are not worthy of your time to argue.
I'm a girl and I was genuinely bothered by Clinton and every celebrity who constantly pulled the woman card. It got to the point where not only men but even women were fed up with it. I don't care whether the candidate's male of female. I will vote based on your ability to lead a country. Sure, I think a female president would be a great progress for equality but there are other ways to achieve that. Making a female candidate president just because she's a woman, but not fit for the job, is ridiculous. Your gender is not an argument.
Why do you think it would be progress for equality? Are you saying women haven't yet developed the "ability to lead a country"? Or do you think being President is some sort of right that there should be equality in? Or are you just a typical woman who puts women ahead of country?
I am a man and I understand your argument but I think I also understand what Winteris Coming (great name btw - just a few more days till Game of Thrones airs its 7th season): Here's the thing (the way I see it): Women have always had the ability to lead a country but in order for a woman to be elected she needs men to vote for her too. Progress is when the vast majority of men will have no problem voting for a woman and THAT is the million dollar question: "Have men in the USA progressed there yet"? Because it seems odd there was yet no woman American President. Israel, a tiny country only 70 years since it became a sovereign state, had a woman PM (Golda Meir) 48 years ago (two - if you count the 24 hours that Tzipi Livni was PM). Hell - Pakistan had a woman leader and the USA none yet? I think Hillary Clinton was a terrible choice (totally agree with Jonathan Pie) but were there no candidates before her? (and if not - why not)?
Fred Neecher. Is it so hard to think outside of your own box to even theorize why? A female president is a landmark and a symbolic victory that solidifies the achievement of meritocratic equality. When it happens and hopefully through merit of the woman it will always be symbolically important to people who campaign or used to campaign for the equality. It doesn't matter how equal we are, the first time will always have some symbolic value to it.
+Toveri Juri We might not have the first female president, but we have something almost as good. The first ever Oompa Loompa. Wonka will be so proud when he gets the news.
You've clearly never operated a studio pedestal camera. In the same way that this is supposed to be the presenters off camera persona and opinion, the camera movement represents exactly what happens before 'on air' with the operator getting comfortable with the feel and focus points etc. It is definitely more of an insider knowledge thing and I can see how Joe Public might find it distracting.
If you ask me it's a great thing. I hope the left doubles down on their idiocy and prejudice. It will simply mean they will continue to be irrelevant from now on. Right-wing populism is gaining traction, it's something that cannot be denied anymore. It's time for the conservative men and women to take back their country!
Marcus Aurelius Severus Antoninus Augustus I'm more centre. I don't believe either side should have too much power, or they slip into authoritarianism.
I am glad that Trump is willing the question the extent that carbon has in so called man made global warming. Examining the science on both sides tells me that man's roll is minimal.
I'd say that it has become MORE relevant, ESPECIALLY because of Biden's victory Again, in 2020, Trump's perceived image made it feel like he should have been beaten black and purple at the vote. And yet...only a 3% difference, because Biden didn't represent change. Because he's an old man that REALLY looked long in the tooth and not entirely there, wnot exactly reassuring when you're supposed to lead the country with the largest nuke arsenal. Because in his career as politician he had few contributions, none entirely flattering. It's clear that the only reason he was able to win is because he was propped up against Trump coming out from four years of intensified campaigning against him (not that Trump really did much to prove them wrong) that continued to paint every Trump supporter as racist, sexist, homophobic, ignorant etc. The Dems could have pulled up basically anyone, and still have won, but the veeery low margin really shows how they literally chose the bottom of the barrel, proved by the fact that Biden's popularity has steadily gone down with no true signs of an inversion of tendency. And yet, once again, what do the people who voted for Biden have to say? *AT LEAST HE IS NOT TRUMP* Sorry gents and ladies, as Mr. Price rightfully said, that is not enough. Choosing a dubious political candidate because "hey, at least he's not *that other guy* y'know" does very little to improve the situation.
Anyone who can honestly look at their behavior and make that kind of commitment is awesome, no matter what side of the fence they're on. You, Kassie, are awesome. :) If there's anything I've learned from watching social media blow up the last few days, it's that people who promote peace and honest discussion, and come ready to listen should be sought after, celebrated, and emulated.
I really hope you mean that. People would love to engage in debate. But when engaging in debate means being called a bigot every time you disagree with someone, lots of people just choose to not debate. I've been saying for a while that accusations of bigotry have lost their impact, just like the boy who cried wolf. I'm really happy to see that there are people starting to realize that this is a problem. Dave Rubin has been saying it for a while and hopefully others start to wake up.
If you are being sincere, Kassie, then all credit to you ... Unfortunately, very few insult-hurling, moralising leftists will actually absorb this lesson and try to change their ways in future ... If you are one of those few, then I respect you ... Wayne
Kassie Mitchell Unfortunately a lot of "your" kind will dismissed this and will not finished the video coz of him spitting curses left and right ... Sad people should get over there self righteousness
I mean even his comment of "I can't say this or I will get lynched" I was like bro, that happened to Professor Weinstein, Sam Harris, Joe Rogan, and many others who are called "far-right" by retarded journalists who think anyone who doesn't march in far left lockstep to them is right wing. Which makes the right grow when people who are fans of rogan and harris see what is happening. The Young Turks is a case study for what this guy is talking about
@@jeremythompson5151 When Joe Biden won 90% of the vote in Virginia The Young Turks went on to call Virginia a "Cesspool" ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nZlVnZQW7R4.html
As a Conservative/economic centre right, I support this message. When will both sides realise that: GOOD OPPOSITION LEADS TO GOOD LEADERSHIP. WE NEED THE LEFT TO BE STRONG AND THE RIGHT TO BE STRONG
The best solutions come from center-right and center-left hashing things out and making compromises as they look for "I win/you win" solutions. When extremists on either side get too much power it becomes more of a zero sum game - "I win/you lose." Even more important though is getting the excessive influence of big money out of our politics since that leads to "the powerful few win/the rest of us lose."
@Dawson Davis I will have to respectfuly say, it wouldnt be enough, even with multiple parties, only 2 are ever really competing in a election, at least from the experience i have.
Holy shit. You nailed it, you get it! Every piece of Trump's success I try to articulate, you did it all in one go instead of pieces. Another piece is conservative Americans/Republican voters have been slapped in the face for years by their embarrassing candidates who pander to the wrong crowd. The religious right every time, most conservative Americans didn't give two shits about gay marriage, but every election cycle that was the big issue. Gays and abortion were the GOP issues every time. Even if Republican voters didn't like it, few were actively fighting those things. The rest of us just didn't give a shit. Trump was their knight in shining golden armor, who destroyed the GOP and he said things that weren't gay marriage and abortion. Republican voters own party wouldn't even give them a voice or listen. Will Trump? Who the knows, but it's the best chance the silenced, overly mocked, conservatives had in decades.
The republican party went so far as to try, at every turn, to shutdown the voice of the republican voters once it grew finally grew legs. They went so far as to support the candidate of THE OTHER PARTY.
You started to get it there...but then reverted to kind. That's alright, the healing process takes time and you've got 4 years of Trump to stop looking down your nose at Christians.
I'm a liberal and a reluctant Trump supporter. This video hits the nail on the head. I recognized that the political left no longer represents true liberal values a LONG time ago. Hopefully more people wake up and we don't have a ridiculous fucking situation like this again in four years. Some ~330 million people in the US. Trump and Hillary were the best we could come up with. Fuck me.
The DNC wanted Trump. If you read the wikileak emails, they actually propped him up via the media. They figured that HRC's best chance was to beat one of the loons of the GOP, like Trump, in the general.
20+ in fact. Both sides simply refuse to come to the table anymore. They both say 'sure, we can talk.' And it always ends up being the same thing; 'we can talk' translates directly to 'you have to do it my way.'
ahhahahahahahahah. 'The right has always been willing to talk.' Oh, wait, you're serious. Here, let me laugh even harder. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA. Kind of like how they 'talked' about the ACA? Or how they're very willing to 'talk' about taxes? Perhaps their willingness to 'talk' about the environment? Or is there some other 'talk' I missed?
Two months after Election Day, and this is STILL the best analysis of how things went down. And I'm saying that as someone who voted FOR Hillary. Pie is SPOT-ON.
A lot of the forums I'm on have doubled down on the insults. I think they secretly like having Trump in control so they can indulge their arrogance and conceit by putting on how much more intellectual and "enlightened" they are. Funny thing is, none of them have come up with a realistic alternative to Trump. Basically, a bunch of pretentious pricks jacking each other off about how America should be like a pseudo socialist European paradise country that doesn't actually exist in real life. A magical place where everybody thinks just like them. Unfortunately for them, in reality, people have different opinions on how things should be.
Both sides of the American political spectrum are so toxic nowadays. The right: "I just wanted to watch liberals cry." The left: "Every Trump voter is a deplorable racist." No wonder this election was so awful. The Internet got involved and made fucking memes about it. And the corporate media was its usual self. Also this is the greatest rant I've ever seen. Fed up with everything but still able to articulate coherently and convincingly. 10/10
Just remember this - 50% of Americans didn't even vote in the election. I didn't. I didn't feel like I had a choice and I didn't like my choices. I feel like we are just having crap screamed at us and thrown at us.
HeidiSue60 it's sad because we had a candidate we wanted.. We had one. We got something else entirely. a lot of my friends either abstained from the presidential candidate vote or voted trump not because Hillary was a woman (no problem with female President bit Hillary was a bad candidate) because they were pissed. We need to change the DNC that fact is simple. I just hope a lot more of the left helps make that possible. ill vote either side depending on the candidate but this year it was more like what's the point.
NerdAndANoob i think he tried as hard as he could, but she was so freaking unpopular, he couldn't even throw her the election...now we have pretty much a joke for a pres. blch...makes me sick
Trump supporter: “it’s ok for 10 people to own 80% of the worlds wealth”. Bearnie supporter: “ummm, no it’s not”. Hilary supporter: “yes, and half of them should be women”
Wealth isnt finite, it isnt a pie that becasue someone takes a bigger peice that means others get less, this is a lie that Sanders keeps pushing but has zero basis in reality.
Honestly, I can’t get over how well this video does at addressing one of the major issues of our time. Regardless of your political beliefs, we can’t progress as a society without engaging in open dialogue.
@@pineapplaplatypotato: The elites have no reason to hate or fear online discussion, because it mostly consists of people hurling insults at each other. When was the last time your mind was changed by a political argument on social media? Or if you're one of the rare people who really does listen, when was the last time you saw _someone else_ have their mind changed by a political argument on social media? The internet has turned politics into a team sport. And let's face it, shutting down conversation by insulting someone who disagrees with you is safer than actually talking to them -- because if you talk to them, you risk having your own mind changed by information you didn't know before.
@@deusexaethera Why do you lie? When you lie, you become an enemy of the universe. Why do that? Because you can get away with it? Because it feels good? Because you don’t know how to think? What exactly is the reason?
As a member of the Right, that no longer participates on Facebook because my ideas and thoughts do not align with most of my left-leaning friends, I have to say "Well done and spot on".
The most important point Jonathan made is that the left is shutting down discussion with neo-McCarthyism tactics. We saw it with Brexit. We saw it with Trump. It's the left that has the fascist tactics.
I am not a Trump or Clinton supporter, and I 10000% agree with your assessment of the moral decay of the alt-left. The alt-left who brags about tolerance and open-minded are the most intolerant and close-minded of all. The right is at least a little bit open.
+Don Carlin Bullshit. As long as I continue to see rightards insult communists & communism & socialists & socialism and animal rights activists & antinatalists & climate activists without EVER ONCE LOOKING at the INCREDIBLE injustices, tortures, pain that they are trying to minimize, the rightwing will ALWAYS be more closed-minded & intolerant than the left. When you show respect for all prisoners & give them the vote & not treat a "criminal" as if that word "defines" who they are, then you will have something important to complain about or some important point to make.
sinnedciti People should really stop insulting each other and open the debate. Politics won't change for the better unless we work together or at least are able to exchange points of view without the media trying to lynch someone.
People tend to stay away from discussion because that actually requires being educated and informed on the matter, I'm not saying all people are like this, but for most it's easier to just call someone a name and label them with one of the many -isms.
People stay away from discussion because they're afraid of being called out. There is nothing wrong in an uneducated opinion as long as you can tell how you got to your conclusion. Enter discussion with an open mind and be prepared to be confronted on your beliefs. The more you know, the more you don't know. Mutual trust and respect is key to have any informed discussion take place. Dive in and see where it takes you. Name-calling and labeling is the last thing you want to do if you want to try and persuade someone to change their mind. It's easy and quick to resort to it in frustration and takes some practice but we'll all be forever learning here! Love conquers all. Forgiveness is all it takes to break the vicious cycle.
It's also frustratingly hard to debate someone that is brainwashed. If you believe the stories in the bible are true, or that Obama is a left wing liberal, then I basically have no chance to reform your beliefs on either matter. Facts don't get into bubbles that challenge your long held world views, they just bounce off.
+MimimMats Are you twisting his words? I'll simplify it for you. The original post said "People tend to stay away from discussion because..." and listed one reason. Then +john handcock provided another reason why people tend to stay away from discussion. That fits in just fine. I hope you're not jumping to the conclusion that john was making a poor justification just because you saw it as an opportunity to insult a liberal. Surely you are above such pettiness.
john handcock Absolutely true, but that is a human trait, not a leftist-exclusive one. Not saying that excuses leftists, it doesn't but there's plenty of right-wing dogma too.
I guess I would be slightly leftist & definitely agree. This Guy says what we all think, this guy should be put in front of a politician, any politician, for a debate...now he would make politics interesting
This video once had 87 million views on Facebook's seperate "virale videos" section. Then Facebook censored it, and deleted every post that had been discussing it. Isn't that frightening?
"riots?" Don't believe the bullshit spin. These are largely peaceful protests. One American flag got burned in one city and couple of windows got broken, these are not "riots." Besides, they happened AFTER the election, the protests could not possibly be the reason they lost.
that's not really true they took down the version that some other page posted, because it already exists on pie's own facebook page and stealing videos is bullshit
Yeah, it was down for about a day and a half, then it came back. I talked to several other people who noticed the same thing. It was weird. I'm glad it's back now!
It’s honestly sad the direction the liberal party is headed. I don’t think we will have a liberal in office for quite sometime. If 2016 was any lesson, don’t bother listening to the polls.
@Raul Paredes I don't think the problem is "woke" per se, b/c all woke originally meant was for whites to "wake up" or be "awoken" to the reality blacks face in America, which is nothing new. What "woke' has now become is our PC culture of "agree with my extremism or be throw to the fire." "Woke" needs to be reclaimed for what it rightfully was about, racism, and not be further co-opted to be about angry white college kids.
@Raul Paredes Y'know, I'm libertarian. I reached out to some of my friends who I know to be decently hard left, and said let's talk about why we disagree on things and see where we have common goals that we could agree to work toward. My friend, and three of his friends viciously attacked me and literally any counterpoint I raised, even when I tried to give them that I agree in principle with some of their points. It wasn't good enough. They don't represent liberal values, save where they help them score points in some sort of game that only they seem to be playing. They demand absolute conformity of opinion or they will tear you apart for nothing.
I think the general thesis of what was said is correct. The left doesn't present logical arguments anymore, not because they don't have reasons for their belief (Who believes in something 'just because' or 'because they're stupid'? Nobody. We all have arguments to make.), but rather because they've just grown lazy from decades of perceived victories and a cancerous PC culture. The left damages themselves through this decadence. Just look at the current list of candidates for the next election on the Democrat side. Who do they got? Elizabeth Warren? Run Sanders or Clinton again? Or Michelle? Oprah? They have nearly nobody on their bench anymore, as everyone who wasn't named Clinton or Kennedy or some other veteran from the 60's was reduced to serving their 'betters' coffee and giving them briefings. There was no apprenticeship. No passing on of skills or development of new blood. Obama was perhaps the exception to this rule, but even in the 08 election it was still Clinton as his opposition. Now there is nobody left and Liberals have nobody but themselves and their complacency to blame for it. The only way to actually start moving towards political parties that are at least somewhat free of corruption and nepotism is to abandon sacred cows like "HILLARY CLINTON MUST BE THE FIRST WOMAN PRESIDENT" and start questioning the leadership as well as getting more involved in your party. The GOP faces similar problems - maybe not as bad, but we could easily be in the same place 8 years from now. Corruption, nepotism, and bad logic are EVERYONE'S enemy; whether you are left, right, or whatever.
You can relax a little actually, this kick in the pants might be what the USA (perhaps the entire first world) has needed for some time. Is it a fuck-up? Sure it's a fuck-up! But I can't imagine Trump getting very much done over the next four years. Time for all 'sides' to reflect, do some soul-searching and come at it better next time. Good luck.
I got news for you Dan. We just let you win this battle, so we could win the war. Your republican president is a buffoon. We will be taking back congress in 2018, and we will have a real progressive in the White house in 2020. The only person Trump could have beaten was HRC! 2020 won't even be a race. If you want to have an actual chance, then you probably need to primary Trump.
john handcock I certainly hope so, your election this time around was a sad show to watch, even from the sidelines. *Real* progressive is a thing nobody seems to have seen get anywhere near power for a long time.
This has such a strong relevance to Australia currently. The Voice referendum, so many people didn’t know what they were voting for or weren’t able to be persuaded because if they said openly they were against it, they were labelled as racist. After losing, the yes voters and news articles blame a lack of education. So people who voted no were called dumb. I don’t know how that is meant to help. If actually debated and encouraged clear information, we could have achieved a meaningful change.
This sounds exactly like Brexit in the UK. Leave voters were all "racist", "uneducated", "thick", "misinformed". Elite political class of London were shocked that the rest of the country disagreed with them and didn't like being labelled racist.
It's uninformed arrogance. Variants include tamer "people vote against their own interests". As though any _one_ knows what's in everyone else's interests.
Good luck. The regressive lefties in France are even more degenerate and condescending than the freaks in the USA. Marxism is dead. Deal with it, kiddies.
I think Le Pen has a good chance of winning because those in power DON'T GET IT!! I'm a British, former Leftie and I voted for Brexit, but quietly. The social shaming of the regressive makes it very difficult to have open and honest debates and therefore they smugly think everyone agrees with them. I don't agree with a lot of what Left-leaning friends say but it's not worth the time, seeing as they'll get triggered very quickly...
I am one of the deplorable that voted for trump and I am over the moon that he won!!! Trump will be my president for the next 4 year and I could not be happier!!!
Honest question: Why would you vote for someone who labeles an entire country of people as rapists? Or someone who routinely insulted American War Veterans? Or a millionaire real-estate tycoon who is the definition of the establishment conservative voters were trying to get away from? I don't understand that. I didnt support Hillary either though, thought they were both equally disgusting.
Can you actually show where he said the entire country where rapists, as opposed to saying that the ones who where coming over illegally where ones on the run from the law already? Trump is establishment, and he was happy to pull the curtain to one side and say "This is what really happens behind these doors" Though you still missed the point. The Left lost because they attacked the man, not the policies
"someone who routinely insulted American War Veterans" he didn't do that. Veterans were completely pissed off by how much the media twisted what he said. They were there when he said whatever he said, and they applauded. The medias lied about Trump again like they always do.
If he can get money out of politics then he'll be one of the greatest for that reason alone. It's going to be interesting to see what this joker is gonna pull off.
Applicable to both sides, really. I've lost track of how many times I've been called a bigot by liberals, and how many times I've been called a snowflake (or had my sexuality questioned) by conservatives, simply because I disagreed with them about one single thing. But let's face it, shutting down conversation by insulting someone who disagrees with you is safer than actually talking to them -- because if you talk to them, you risk having your own mind changed by information you didn't know before.
To add onto this, the reason for that being a "risk" is then you'll end up exactly where you've put these people now - if you realise the other side isn't completely evil or insane, then you'll be added to the "basket of deplorables" or "army of snowflakes" or whatever that you once also put people in. And you know exactly how they get treated because you've been a part of that treatment. "You" here used royally, just to be clear.
@@trianglemoebius That's a major part of the blowup, the use of "you", and "we". "You", ascribing the negative of all, to the one person they're addressing. "We", presuming the 82% of non-radical Far Left/Far Right agree with them.
***** Nah, I used to be the idiot. I'm glad the right introduced me to the principles of classical liberalism and capitalism. The left is not interested in debate and more concerned with identity politics. I've got no time for that.
Does he script these things? If not, that was a bloody fantastic ad lib. If so, he really knows how to make it look like it was a bloody fantastic ad lib XD
He said that when he's going "err err" that him trying to remember he's lines. But it works well when you are acting the part of a man up on his soap box.
TyphoonZebra I wonder myself, something about Pie must attract people. He does have unique points of view. I hadn't considered that basically shitting down the extreme right wing people and even the less so pushed them so far. Though on the other hand the poor are totally unrepresented and he didn't acknowledge that. I'd love to discus that part personally.
I'm a "deplorable," and you're right. I'm not racist, I'm not sexist, and most of my friends are actually liberals - mostly Berners. I align with the libertarian party, but I didnt feel our nominated candidate best represented the LPs platform. That being said, I supported Trump for exactly the reason you described. I am tires of special interests running our government, I'm tired of excessive PC culture stifling free speech - even when its not hate speech, but merely an opinion regarding ANYTHING that refutes the status quo. Hillary was the worst elements of both the liberals AND the conservatives, and a poor choice to represent the democratic party. Thank you for being a voice of reason.
William, that's a well written post and I hear what you're saying. Just one question do you really think the special interests will stop with Trump as President? I find it difficult to imagine anyone more corrupt than Trump. The fact that he didn't reveal his taxes is significant (and if people answer that he's under an audit you might want to ask yourself why he is constantly under audit). Trump admitted to bribing public officials (including Clinton) during the campaign. His idea of a blind trust for his companies while he is President is to entrust them to his children- not exactly a blind trust. He has exploited shady tax loopholes and bankruptcy laws. His links to Russia look suspicious. He has a long history of mob associations. It is difficult to imagine anyone lying more than him during a Presidential campaign.
If I might chime in, Hillary is certainly more corrupt in the GOVERNMENT system than Trump. I didn't vote for either but she has a longer record of taking money from lobbyists, corporations, special interest groups, ect and then suddenly "changing her stance" or getting a lot less vocal about her dissenting opinions... Then there is the email stuff where special equipment was bought to erase the data by overwriting it over and over again until detectives specialized in recovering lost data can't get it.... Trump did lie a lot I'll give you that much for sure however not all of his lies are for the same reasons. Say what you will of the concept but its becoming more clear by the day he lied about his policies to excite he's backers. Suddenly his "wall" could be part fence. His "repeal Obama care" is now "repeal and replace, or just amend" If anything he really is a pretty centrist candidate he just used his Reality TV skills to make people become more emotionally charged. I see what your saying about him being shady but that's really in a business world. Exploiting laws is what all business owners will do if you let them. After all the goal of a company is to get money to its constituents. Not saying it's right it's just natural. The goal of a politician on the other hand is NOT to line your pockets which is what we saw with Hillary. I couldn't bring myself to vote for either but my two cents is she was the more corrupt candidate for a political office overall.
I understand where you're coming from, but your choice was wrong. I agree that it is awful to end up having zero choice because you end up with a joke candidate, when you really want to make a statement about a need for change. I see that the alternative is to go from election to election, picking the least worst candidate every time, which is irritating. But what you chose to do, picking the joke candidate, does not help make that statement - on the contrary. Instead of picking someone that lends an ear to special interests, you elected special interests directly. Instead of choosing a PC enforcer, you elected someone that has its own brand of even stronger PC, and has explicitly stated that he will enact drastic libel laws to ensure that the press can't hurt his feelings. It is tiresome that elections are reduced to picking the least worst, but at least we have the ability to avoid the actual worst. Except when you do this.
if he was even worse than hillary as you say +Thaddee Tyl, then he wouldnt have picked that senior editor from Breitbart for a cabinet position. i have no doubt he has his own interests- everyone does- but lets be completely frank, the man wants to be loved and be popular more than anything else it seems, which limits his ability to do as you said he would. the so called alt-right would leave him in a heartbeat if he did something like that and then he would literally have no support base at all
Mr Trump is obviously not trying to please the masses. Saying that he will do anything to be loved is just wrong, as he has quite a habit of ostracising large groups of people. He does what he does for the same reason he always did anything: to gain more. Being a rich white man, he naturally picked Mr Bannon, a rich white supremacist, someone which will do everything to tilt the balance in both their favours, even outrageous things. The alt-right wants the rich to get richer and the whites to be more powerful, which is exactly what Mr Trump wants for himself. Was he a famous black man with the exact same character, he would instead cut the taxes for celebrities and pick black supremacists for his cabinet. He will use his power as he always used it, to gain more power and wealth, until he no longer gets away with it, which in the past only happened through lawsuits and bankruptcy.
I was center-left five years ago, but when that "mansplaining," "check your privilege," "cultural appropriation," bullshit cropped up, I was driven far enough to the right that I was willing to vote for Trump just to spite them.
Dude, I believe you. There comes a point where no matter how sympathetic you are to a cause, if all they talk about is white, middle-class, cis, straight, male people being 'the problem', and how they 'need to shut up', there comes a point where you just go, "Y'know what, right, you can go fuck yourselves." I'm not defending that response. I came dangerously close to it though. I can totally understand why a whole swathe of my demographic just said, "Ok, snowflakes, I tried, and all you did was shit on me. Well, now this is happening."
The problem is they're doing more damage than just political damage to the democratic party and left politics, culturally they're creating hate and division within the country, indoctrinating people into victim hood and telling them the lie that all their problems are because of other people. Making it acceptable to be racist by changing definitions and broadening laws, these intelligentsia who bask in their moral righteous sunlight without any concern for accuracy or the truth of the reality the people they're indoctrinating live in.
This hits so hard. We the left have stopped understanding that we have to fight for our point of view. Almost as hard against the far left as we do against the right.
This man is my political idol. I'm leftish and he is so right about how leftish people treat those who don't agree with them. I don't say that now I would support right wing, but I say that leftish should stop thinking that they are only good people and always right with everything. Jonathan Pie is a brit, talking about America and my own greetings are sent from Finland. So... same shit, different country.
The thing is you see the same from both sides. Like in a lot of cases, some of the same right wing people that decide to criticise left wing people for getting offended, act exactly the same when you bring an opposing viewpoint to them. I guess it just depends on the people really. If you’re too far into a political belief, and are surrounded by people equally far into it, chances are that you and them will swarm and insult (or worse) literally anybody that challenges you in the slightest.
I posted this on my FB page right after Jonathon Pie uploaded this video the day after the election, It only lasted 1-2 days before FB took it down. I guess my "friends" didnt have a sense of humor that day......
Odd. I posted it on my Facebook and it didn't get removed. I feel like some people say this (in other words, lies about it) as a means to promote an agenda.
alien4fish Of course they don’t have a sense of humor! Their the people who voted for Clinton! The same screeching gang who get triggered by life it’s self.
Beto O’Rourke in Texas is talking to people in tens of different districts that Cruz never visited; change is happening, just not yet in the places that count.
I think it's because the world is left wing enough, it doesn't need anymore so there really is nothing the left can say and do to win anymore. The only way they can win is unforced errors from the other side (Be like the left). If the left wanted to win again it would come up with a plan to make Government SUPER efficient and effective and not ask for more tax.
Kepler Skylake that may be correct but it doesn't detract from the fact they they were taking down posts with links to this youtube video, does it? Fb have been censoring fake news recently and I can well believe someone might have thought this was fake news. its a similar story with their filtering of your fb feeds and Googles SEO algorithms which effectively stop you seeing results that someone else does. You can call it what you like but the effect is the same and it's a dangerous precedent.
So... i'm an American who voted for Hilary, and I felt fuckin shamed by this video. I'm very glad I watched this, thank you Mr. Actor who plays Jonathan Pie. My takeaway from this election is going to be to engage Trump voters in respectful dialogue about their views, and encourage others to be respectful as well. I'll stop using the "ist" words, and consider their views valid. And if I strongly believe they have invalid views, I will try to convince THEM they are invalid, not just shout them down and TELL them they are invalid.
revanswatchesvideos then, we can have a real discussion. one of my biggest frustrations was being called a racist when I'm not. something that we have seen from the left is that it's easier to scream bigot, than it is to explain your point. the right (I'm a Libertarian) has gotten very good at explaining their opinions calmly because they have to. there has been a running joke that when the left loses an argument they scream racist and act as if they won the argument. no, I'm not a racist for wanting to cut social programs In the inner city. I care about minorities. but we has a society have been pouring money into inner city help programs and it hasn't gotten better. Hilary said that we will put money into a Harlem ghetto. as if it hasn't been tried before. but if I dare to say that the Democratic methods haven't worked, and that maybe we should try something different YOU'RE A RACIST!
I'm with you on spending cuts. Fat Gov't = high taxes = stifled economy. And exactly, I'd have no idea how to defend myself against "Oh, you just don't like black people." Really, there's NO logical defense, because it's not logical. To combat that kind of question, +jarhead21100, I would say ask Mr. Left a question about why their belief that a particular program works. How has it helped? Ask them anecdotally, NAME someone you know, who this has helped. I don't think data will convince anyone.... I'm personally beginning to be a littttttle skeptical of any polls, news, or studies I see :p lol Also, I'm referring to person-to-person dialogue. I love the internet, but the "Respect" revolution sure as hell won't be here :) P.S. Now I've heard your view, and I don't think you're a racist
Well and that the Left needs to realize a few things. A) Obviously what they believe in doesn't speak to middle America. It doesn't put food on the table or pay the bills. and B) You have to accept the idea that you are wrong on some issues. And considering Trump won by a landslide...wrong on a considerable amount of issues.
As a conservative who is both a New Yorker and a racial minority, let me just say that I perfectly understand the solitude and fear of voicing my contrary opinion, no matter how politely. It is insane and I hope that if there is another loss for my liberal friends, they will not double-down but, for once, finally open their eyes.
It depends on how extreme your opinion is. In general, both sides are kind of scared to voice options, because they don't want to destroy relationships. But if you are more and more extreme, less people will listen to you and you will listen less.
I feel you, man. Been there, almost did that. And since the DNC hasn't changed in any meaningful way, I might have to do that. Why can't normal people run for office again?
I know this is late, but I just found this through Reddit. While I agree that a true friend will remain a friend even when their political beliefs are opposite, should you give up on someone because they oppose your ideals? I understand that there are some that will never listen and that you should only go so far before it is confirmed that they will not listen, but I don't think giving up on someone should be an easy thing to do. I am a conservative who is willing to make Liberal, not Leftist, compromises for the betterment of my country. Many of my friends are Liberal and oppose about half, if not more, of my political beliefs. They are, however, like family to me. I would do anything for them and they would do anything for me. Walking away from a stranger who will berate you and ignore any intelligent or wise arguement is acceptable. People like that are enemies of everyone and like it that way, but if you have a friend, someone you care for deeply, then walking away from them shouldn't be an option at hand. It is more likely that they will give up on the friendship. A civilized society should maintain peaceful in the presence of opposed stances, whether they be political, moral, religious, or an ideology of any kind. If we cannot do that, then we are no better than the intolerant generations before us. We have the capacity to offer wise council and kind tidings. I applaud your positive feedback to someone who feels as if they cannot be themselves, even to those they care for deeply.
Im left and this video helped me learn alot, especially in this last election. I completely hold my hands up that i was someone who judged or scoffed at people for being conservative. Almost implying that they supported racism or didn't like immigrants etc I'd usually say it like a joke but it was clear passive aggression. Now I've spoken to my friends openly who vote conservative and although i still don't agree as MOST not all but most seem to just vote that way because their family did I at lest got some insight as to why and they made very good points in general. Now i discuss it with my friends, we sometimes even give eachother a bit of shit and then we fucking move on and go for a drink! The way it should be and i was embarrassed that i acted like how Pie describes the left in this video.
I think the thing we need to do is meet each other halfway. Me and my liberal friends disagree, but we have to come to the closest understandment and agreement we can reach. I don't think either side is wrong - we just have different perspectives and come together with one another so we can both get what we want and be satisfied. I will never understand why my friends voted for Hilary Clinton, its just crazy to me and it could be anything, but it's also none of my business to lecture them on their own values or why they did it. Thanks for understanding and growing though!
I love to hear that people are seeing the light and seeing that people on the other side may have a different answer to the argument but they may bring some valid points that you may not have considered before. This is how you build a great system because both sides see issues and both have different solutions and the best answer is somewhere in the middle
+MrMongoose221 Right wing people scoff at leftists all the time. Accuse them of things, slander them, bad mouth them. Why single out leftists when right wing people are just as guilty. Bad behavior isn't just "the left", whoever that even is. The things that define left and right are actually on a short list. I don't think being conservative means not having good points about the countless, non political things in the world, but when it comes to things like the economy, and political policies, that's when most of the good ideas stop. I've seen so many pro capitalist conservatives absolutely do look down their noses at disabled people for example, people who either can't work or are very limited with the kind of work they can do. That such people are "economic burdens". Where I live support is put on the chopping block constantly by conservatives, and they want to privatize healthcare and education. Why is that? It doesn't matter whether it's hate based or simply through apathy and indifference, is a bad thing either way.
+Mc Panik Sure you are, is that why many conservatives attack anyone who disagrees with capitalism? Accusing them of being Stalin supporting extremists just for having a problem with the current system. Or accusing people who support the refugee act as being "pro Islam" and condoning terrorism? Where I live there have been peaceful socialist protests year after year for decades, and yet conservatives here respond in a pompous, patronizing and dismissive way, or sometimes just ignore them. If conservatives are all about conversation and engaging, then why don't they listen to people who aren't being hostile? All you need to do is say you're anti capitalist and that's enough to be attacked or taken out of context. So this whole thing is really a false narrative.
How had I missed this one? Damn. Pie calling it as it was. And is. I'm so sick of people claiming to be liberals trying to shut down reasonable debate. It's another form of fascism. I'm liberal. I believe everyone should be treated equally and that everyone should be safe from harm. Not shielded from mean words, but encouraged to talk to the bullies and show them why they are wrong. Healthy discussion should take place at all points, not silencing and physical, harmful attacks from both sides. And yet, people on both sides constantly berate me for either being "pro-inequality" or "a Libtard". I have PTSD, I know I'm absolutely shite at arguing my point, so I shut it all out. I wish I was stronger, so I could argue my beliefs, show the world why we should all care about our fellow people. That is why I'm thankful for the ones like you, Mr Pie.
There's no need to fear what people have to say or think about you. Never should have been. All opinions should be laid out on the table and all opinions should be treated with respect. When insults take the place of debates is when a debate becomes an argument where one side is trying to defend itself from others. Feel free to share all of your opinions, please.
@@robert-joshuamcfaddin7041 That's not true any more, though. I'm with him, I'm scared to articulate any opinion that differs from the accepted norm. Because people can ruin your livelihood and your social credibility. People receive death threats and get fired for saying the politically incorrect thing. Not even extreme stuff like actual racism or homophobia, either - JK Rowling will probably never get another book deal, because she argued on Twitter about how the term "woman" should be used.
@@boiledelephant While that is what we're facing in this world, people still maintain the power to keep that from happening. The last time it was a social norm to not speak out, we faced the Holocaust. And I fear we're heading back into a situation like that
If someone wishes you harm and cusses you out for expressing your opinion they are losers, not you. They don't matter. Little steps grows your strength but remember if someone's only response is insulting then you're already 100000000000xs better. Little steps and you can get this.
The thing about far-left economic attempts is that they rely too much on people being good. A perfect system cannot be implemented by an imperfect species. Working systems IRL work with the understanding that human flaws must be managed on an ongoing basis. That being said, I dislike how the far-right thinks the solution is to go all the way in the other direction, penny-pinching on things like mental healthcare to squeeze out another 0.01% for the GDP.
Amen. It boggles me how people rant about the issue of "socialism murders people" but will go all-in on a system that literally leaves people to die because wealth alone somehow makes someone a worthy person.
Daniel Allen Well to be fair for capitalism it’s at least possible (in most cases) for one to work for their money and to become a wealthier individual. However in socialism/communism the more people who don’t work lower the economy and lower wages. Then on top of that your wage, no matter the job, is either predetermined, unlikely unless useful yet rare job, or is as good you being a soldier getting paid as much as much as a cashier. It’s just healthier and better for the poor people to have capitalism in most situation, almost all situations.
Understand, I'm a capitalist. In general. I'd just prefer that we restrain the worst outcomes of capitalism, so we don't end up in a new feudal system. Who can afford Ivy league as opposed to the Divine Right of Kings.
Any person should've voted for Trump, whether on the right or the left. The left might find him distasteful, yes, but I'm sure the vast majority of leftists have a strong preference for not being vaporized in a radioactive fireball. Hillary's game of nuclear chicken with Russia may have amused her bloodthirsty sensibilities but was terrifying for everyone else. The only reason the left still voted for Hillary despite the fact that vote goes against their interests (you know, the interest in *being alive* and all) is they were deceived by the media and convinced that, somehow, Donald Trump, the man who wants to restore relations with Russia, was the dangerous one.
Sherringford He didn't say Trump was the best candidate, he said that the left gave their soul and made sure Hillary would win! If they didn't get involved then Jill stein or even Bernie could've beaten Trump.
Yeah but 2016 pie attacking insult-debate culture meant insults between regular people whereas 2024 pie is purely insulting the “political class” (for lack of a better term) so the likes of Boris Johnson or Liz Truss who have clearly done colossal damage to the country.
@@owentill ah, but then you would have to ask exactly how Truss caused colossal damage in her…what was it, forty days as PM? While 2016 Pie would point out that Liz Truss was railroaded by a BoE that no longer has undivided loyalties to the UK, 2024 Pie would realize that fact would reflect poorly upon Blair who first divided the loyalties of that BoE in the first place. And ‘24 Pie can’t have that.
@@stephenknizek2651 the Bank of England did everything in the world to mitigate the effects of truss. I’m a lefty so I don’t often band around the term “patriot” since it’s not my line in general. But considering how much the Bank of England did to save the economy, to save the pound, I’d argue it’s unpatriotic to a frankly disgraceful level to attack the Bank of England for what it did during Truss’ era. Also it literally takes day to wreck markets as a Prime Minister, doesn’t take months or years, as it did for Truss which is why her administration collapsed so quickly as even the likes of Sunak predicted.
What if there are actually good reasons why the 'trigglypuffs' or 'facebook cryers' aren't responsible for trump's win? Do we have a right to express our reasons without fear of being demonized?
Thing is, you can't argue back without coming across as defensive or in denial, which is what MogManDog is implying. But anyways, can't really stop you from having this opinion, so whatever. I'm very skeptical of Jonathan Pie's point that, anyone can just be persuaded by discussion and debate. Sometimes they can, but often they can't, especially if the issue for discussion is related to social issues. If you're arguing with someone who believes that things such as racism/mysogyny on a systematic level are acceptable or trivial, then there is no agreement on the premise of the argument; you're both arguing from a different paradigm, so to speak. So good luck coming down to an agreement. People don't have the emotional stamina or time to have to spell everything out to those who refuse to educate themselves.
2018, and again, still watching it, my twin spirit! edit: no need to add another comment again, it's 2019, still watching it, and yes still my twin spirit! another edit: yeap, 2020. another oneeee: 2023 😂
Nearly 2019 and the extremelly political correctness has gone too far. Is not only that the far left (and the far right to be honest) hasn't learnt a shit from the mistakes, but instead, they made twice or more mistakes beeing ofended for everything and not beeing able to debate and discuss...
Trouble is because mumbly Joe is just as bad as Clinton because they have no ideas other than protecting corporate interests and have no idea how to tackle trumps fascism
Absolutely agree. In order to engage in political discussions at all, we have to be able to hold ALL sides accountable, ESPECIALLY the ones who claim to be on our side.
What he described is exactly why I voted Trump. I was sick of the smug "you're a racist/sexist/xenophobe" insults. I wanted to see those special snowflakes' world collapse, and oh was it worth it.
I would be undecided, if it was between Sanders and Trump I would have to watch the debates and make my mind off of it from there. Probably would lean more Bernie but still very much 3rd party.
Retarded form of backlash? According to Mr. Pie there, it was the only one they had left. It was the left's fault for setting up the conditions so that that was the only remaining option. (I'm not American btw... I'm watching on from the side with a lot of Schadenfreude, a lot of Leedvermaak... )
Golden Wizard you do realize simply calling people morons don't actually make them morons? Just like if I called you a unicorn it doesn't make you a unicorn . Nice try tho
I consider myself a libertarian, and I've tried to discuss the numerous points brought up in this video with family and friends for the better part of a year now, and even prior to that - as I saw the rise of the PC culture and the snowflakes, and censorship, and getting people fired because they've offended someone - and so on and so forth. Only to be shot down, labeled, dismissed out of hand, while people who seem otherwise reasonably intelligent eat up the bias'd(albeit funny content) from John Stewart and John Oliver in the same fashion someone might watch fox news as gospel with no shred of critical thinking. This is a powerful video and I do hope it pierces the echo chamber. As for TYT, they're a train wreck now, if they weren't already.
