The changes to the Repulsor and the Impulsor, both getting an increased capacity and the Repulsor points drop, would make them SO tasty for the Firestorm Assault Force and would maybe even cause that detachment to see more wins. Too bad literally every other change in 10.5th edition was a negative for the detachment.
That is a really weird thing. GW exchanged one sprue with another and raised the price of the new kit. I bought some 3rd party Executioner turret that sits fine on the standard repulsor. Full cost was the same as an executioner but I have both turrets.
I still do not understand why they have not given these things a 2+ armor save. They are supposed to be heavy tanks for pete sake. You put one of these side by side with a Leman Russ, then tell me the smaller tank is the one with a better save. If the worry is that would make their overall stat line too powerful, well that is what points adjustments are for.
Space Marines typically just have worse stats on surprisingly alot of their gear when you compare them to say the guard counter part. It's funny and tragic all the same ofc.
@@wolfgangstallionmusic5639 You're preaching to the choir here. I find it silly my task force are so under powered I have to make up for this with even more bodies than usual defeating the whole elite army angle they're supposed to represent.
I think this change is something I didn't know I needed for my all Gravis Imperial Fists. Being able to run 6 Eradicators with Tor and 6 Aggressors with a Biologis out of a transport gives me WAY more options than previously, backed by Lancers which Heavy Intercessors take objectives and Inceptors drop in for secondaries
Let me just say, I love the all Gravis army. I tried it once and loved it but had no interest in painting them so gave up on it. Love the idea though, would be happy to hear how it's working out for ya
I love my Executioner man, the thing has done some mindblowing feats and in my crusade its now got a *clears throat* 5 up Invuln Ignores modifiers to Hit &Wound 3 shots for the main gain plus a damage boost so D6+5. The Fury of Baal will live on and continue its magnificent purge of Heresy in the name of Sanguinius
@Redshirtdraper oooohh yea- weapon modifiers I'm Crusade Rock!! Even woth only 2 shots my Executioner has killed over 3 Land fortresses, 3 Gladiator Lancers, 2 Predator destructors, A stormraven, a Stormhawk, Skaarbrand and a buunccchhh of shit. Hell my friends Votaan have PTSD over this thing because it keeps killing the landfortresses over a mile away
Crusade rules make things horrifying.Ghost of Desolation is now the most feared unit in my army , overshadowing even my Astreus model. This Repulsor-Executioner was given Rynn's Might machine spirit by Lord Kantor it seems. Will never forget how it saved my gravis captain from being gangbanged by hive tyrant and lictor and then run over them with tank shock...
I own 3 repulsors/executioners and despite the small point drops on the regular repulsors, saving on 3s just hurts too much. They die quick and the firepower SEEMS nice, until you realize how far everything is outside 24 XD
No no no no no please no. I just wanna enjoy my Executioner tank without yall putting this stuff out in tournaments and then it getting nerfed! LEAVE MY FURY OF BAAL ALONE!!!
I have used both versions in the past but recently settled in on just using the standard Repulsor for the lower points and increased capacity. Repulsor works very well in the the Firstorm Assault Detachment
@AuspexTactics you mentioned that you can make the Repulsor execuitoner into a magnetized repulsor and repulsor executioner. Do you know of a guide that shows how to do that? I have tried to look for one without luck
Iron storm repex’s were def fun! Into a wounded target, combining the lethals and the mercy is weakness Strat = potential 4 hits at ap-4! Did that into a Russ tank and dealt 16 wounds before even starting rolling for damage.
Instead of simple increasing armor saves whixh doesn't always make,sense, heavier armor should in addition have AP negating effects. So maybe Repulsor could negate 2 points of AP value and Land Raider could negate 1 point of AP value. Adding AP negating stat to armored units would make it easier to differentiate them in a meaninfull way, in addition to Toughness. I think something like this would make Repulsors and general vehicle gameplay more interesting and i might pick a repulsor for something more than a cost saving move.
So what's the over/under on this getting nerfed back into oblivion after all the Tourney Chuds spam it to all hell? I'm going with Next Balance Slate, but I'm taking bets for Winter!
The reduce in price of the Repulsor is nice but as a BA player, if I am going to take a big transport, then I'd still probably take a Land Raider (now they have made the redeemer so expensive), yeh 60pts more but the 2+ save is big, the assault ramp is important and 4 proper lascannons. I think the executioner has the same issue the Lancer has, good into like other marine or guard vehicles, annoying into anything with a 4+ invul, even if you hit both shots, on average someone will half your damage and it is not that hard to roll two 4 ups and just ignore the whole thing. You need weight of shots imo, it is why the Caladius so good, 4 buffed lascannon shots, hitting on 2s, with lethal hits and re-roll wounds and it is cheaper than an executioner. I'd honestly prefer to take either two Lancers or two vindicators for long range anti-tank than an executioner. Lancers basically do the same job and because of the re-rolls essentially with do similar damage, but are 60 pts cheaper.
There are a few different transport heavy lists I’ve wanted to try. Although I think this is means the 1st born tanks are definitely going to legends I am happy with the change. Till the nerf hits
The Executioner is still great obviously, if your reserving Eradicators the free trunk space is not to be undervalued if you know you'll be screened out hard. I dunno about the standard Repulsor. seems to me still needs some help to compete with a Crusader for the multiple melee bent unit's I'd want it for. Maybe some kind of out of phase disembark rule thats not quite as good as assault ramp.
Replacing one of my Redeemers with a Repulsor in my Firestorm list. The Aggressors+Captain still need the Redeemer, but the Eradicators and Biologis can be in the Repulsor.
I typically always field one with my Marines. And almost exclusively with the laser destroyer. I think I've played one game where i went Macro and that was because my opponent had no armor at all.
well if you had 3 redeemers, you can exactly changed one of them to this. they cant charge after moving, but they can get back inside if charged, if you have a units thats oaky with, sure the repulsor is cool
Honestly I think 3 max squads of Eradicators is always a good thing. Repulsors with 3 max Eradicators with a Biologis just makes sense to use. Can't wait to see some batreps with that setup.
They were always good but now, after slight buff, they'll probably be a meta of some sort so... Enjoy while it lasts, they'll gonna get pounded to the ground like everything SM related for sure (except divergent chapters) And of course incoming Eradicators nerf - because why not, seems that they'll be meta at some point and ignorant GW will do that at some point also... After all, nothing SM can be good.
I definitely want at least one Repulsor in my Inner Circle Task Force list to transport a full squad of Inner CIrcle Companions with either a Judicar or Asmodai and a full squad of Bladeguard with Bladegaurd Ancient. Granted I do need a land raider so I might use that for my melee troops and add a full squad of hellblasters in the Repulsor
Both variants seem useful but my god the sculpts are awful l. I mean compare it to the land raider or even the rhino, which are just iconic and their silhouette brilliantly realised.i couldn't have one in my army, although it is just asthetic choice.
I just realized that the Canadian store you're promoting is literally just a few blocks from my house, I didn't know. I will definitely be stopping by to see them in store.
My Repulsor is absolutely going to see play in my BA lists, the executioner... not so much. The Gladiator lancer is 60 points cheaper, has a better special rule and only deals 1 less damage with the same number of shots. 6 transport is fine but for 20 points more I can just take an impulsor that is arguably a better platform to transport a shooting unit like hellblasters or infernus marines.
Question: haven't been playing much lately, do these have to pay the 2 inch tax when they pivot? I see a round base, but at the same time these are measured from the hull.
Except the hull is different. Turret over the door on the Repulsor. Those turrets are on the main turret on the Executioner. Plus the main turret holes are different sizes.
@@jeffmartin4472 It's a minor cosmetic difference no one is going to care if the 2 of 15 bolters this tank has is in a different location. Build the executioner and save money by, just buying or printing the smaller repulsor turret top the holes that slot them are same circumference
How should this be possible? The top turret of the repulsor and the repulsor executioner are two completly different sprues which come in DIFFERENT kits. Your comment is just completly wrong and has 5 upvotes. How and why?
@@Backpflaume666 Maybe he means 3D printing the turret of the other variant & swap the turrets out on the same hull to transition from a regular repulsor to an executioner. The turrets are diffrent from one another when you look at them, but the bases of the turret that connects with the tank are the same so swapping them out is therefore not an issue if you have a spare/3d printed turretpiece somewhere.
We non-meta chasing players, who bought other armies but CHOOSE to continue playing our beloved Astartes, must rely on the one thing we have going for us: variety of unit choice. We must keep practicing and adapting lists and tactics. The "Balance" team jerks are determined to screw us, but we shall overcome
I tried replacing my Land Raider Redeemers with 2 repulsors in Firestorm and they're just not good enough with a 3+ save and 10" movement. Meltas just instantly kill them and you can't do anything about it. The shooting is also very mediocre against an elite or armor-heavy army even with the las weapon options. I'm going back to my land raiders and just finding other places to cut points.
Ive always fielded my repulsors ive got 3 repulsosres executioners and 1 repulsor im running in anvil putting in 10 hellblasters with captain and a lieutenent with strategem for sustained hits and reroling wounds if im shooting against vehicles the voley is devastating. And if my hellblasters get charghed i just reembark back to be safe behind toughnes 12
Should I still buy a Land Raider Redeemer/Crusader? I can get it 40% off, NIB. Or should I just get 1 or 2 Repulsors? I want to transport 6 Bolt Aggressors with a Apothecary Biologis. Still new to the hobby and haven't played a game yet.
Which model do you want to paint more? Honestly man, rules will change. By the time you get a space marine army together it will probably be different!
It's kinda personal preference, if your goal is to deliver the aggressors then I'd go with a landraider as they are pretty good in melee and a landraider has an assault ramp rule that lets them charge into melee after jumping out of the transport.
Pick what you like, but the Crusader went down 10 points and fits 6 Aggressors with room for a Biologis and a Gravis Captain. If you have anti-vehicle/monster elsewhere, there's a case to be made for it. Repulsor's nice if what you're transporting doesn't want to risk getting tied up in melee.
An unnecessary points cut PLUS the long overdue transport capacity increase (for the Impulsor too) seems like GW wants to SELL A LOT OF REPULSORS! The Land Raider has been one of the most sold vehicles since the start of 10e, but the recent Redeemer nerf to 285 will kill that meta, paving the way for the Repulsor to occupy its spot for 105 points LESS. My Black Templars lists feature at least one Land Raider and I recently had to replace my default Redeemer for the vanilla Land Raider. I’m tempted to use the Repulsor instead because I could use those points to restore the Lieutenant to my Helbrecht + 5 Sword Brethren squad and fit them inside a vehicle with a second SB squad + character. However… I KNOW that if the Repulsor becomes the new meta it’ll just get nerfed one or two quarterly updates down the road. I’m certain this is just a ploy to sell more Repulors.
It’s very frustrating that the Repulsor vehicles are not considered ‘fly’. Uh why? Repulsor infantry have fly, devil fish, falcons, and tau battlesuits have fly. Idk just dumb.
The repulsor is decent with melee units too. After their first disembark and charge, Re embarking them to move forward and then charge something else is an underrated move
I have never heard anyone say that either of the repulsors are cool. People like the new and old Land Raiders as well as the variants, even when they sucked. Not a lot actually like the repulsors.
Between the look of the model, the cost of the model, and it's hover track features, I've stayed away from this option. I prefer tracked vehicles when I can get them. They just seem more like the grimdark 40k I've always known. This newfangled Primaris tank isn't the sort of think I get excited about.
I still want to know why the Repulsor gets increased transport capacity but the Executioner variant doesn't. There has to be more of a reason than for how many guns it has.
the Multi-Melta for Templars doesn't cost anything. as far as I'm aware, anything that allows it to be on there doesn't add any cost along with it also being able to be used in addition to most mounted guns as well (i.e. heavy stubber, storm bolter, etc)
It does! On both wh40k app and battlescribe a repulsor is 190p and a bt repulsor is 200p For evry chapter they are 190p but when you do a bt list its automaticly 200p and you have to take a mulit melta instead of a stormbolter
Next balance data slate executioner will go up 40 points. Gw will then decide core codex sm can no longer use oath of moments, however divergent chapters will still have it. 🤣
I'd argue base Repulsors might be better for Aggressors now than the Redeemer. I think charging out of the Assault Ramp often leave your Aggressors exposed, when you're really trying to do their shooting combos. Get close, nuke something, jump in the bus if countercharged. And if your opponent does kill the Repulsor in melee, pile back in and punch the crap out of them. I think it gives more opportunities to use your big shooting combos, especially if you pair it with other heavy threats your opponent can't ignore.
@@hickorybane9323 that’s correct, but I‘d take the Redeemer with its Assault Ramp and higher durability over the Repulsor anytime. The Executioner though is another story. That’s a damn fine anti tank vehicle, even though it’s a bit squishy.
