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@@Narragorthif that was true then John wouldn’t be relevant today, yes the level in every weight class has got much deeper but there were the freaks back then that would still be freaks today
@@savagearmsarmwrestling8385 It is 100% true... He has lost 6 out of his last 8 matches, in most of then he couldn't even get a single pin. I know he's 60 something years old, and he's the biggest legend of the sport, but let's be honest, he's still good, but he isn't relevant at the top at all.
@@savagearmsarmwrestling8385 2/8, and he didn't get a single pin in 4 of those matches. It doesnt matter if you AW for 50 years or 2 days, you can't argue against facts, he's losing almost every match nowadays... Your question makes no sense.
Too soon for jumping to conclusion because few words. Anyway, he is young guy. On every single secondary school children learn english. Also like a truck driver he should speak English.
@@AdamLighter1are you this much of a dumb or delusional ? You can't have information on things without playing. Its called analysis !! And most of the analysis get wrong, feats alone is not going to win the matches. If watching alone gonna change the result then most of the people should watch rather than playing themself
one false: Prime Cyplevkov's right hand defeats Devon's right hand, as well as all the armwrestlers. For example 2014 a1 russian open denis versus arsen liliev
The thing about John is that he's been beating guys who are much bigger and heavier than he is throughout his career. He is one of the few athletes who have competed around the world and won in multiple different weight classes. The man is humble, classy, competes straight, and never resorts to insults, tactical cheating, or mind games. Yes, he's lost quite a few matches, but the sheer dominance he's shown for over 40 years is something no one else has been able to replicate. He may not be the most popular, and there are those who are better ambassadors for the sport, but one undeniable fact is that he is universally regarded by the majority of arm wrestlers as the GOAT. Many of today's top guys respect and look up to him in this sport. Longevity and status define his position as the GOAT in this sport. But yes, Levan of today would beat John. Even now at his age, John is still a beast and only loses to the top elites. Even so, it's not easy for them to win against John. Pound for pound, prime John was an absolute force. Even Devon who has pulled with today's elites said, and I quote, in a live video on Travis's channel a few months ago: *"John in his prime was on another level. He would kill a lot of today's top guys. People have no idea how good he really was. Anyone who has actually felt and competed against him in his prime will agree with me."*
Hey Zenzuu, Thank you so much for this wonderful, detailed, comprehensive, and respectful response! John then Devon are the reasons why I watch Armwrestling! I only started watching maybe mid 2015 then onwards til now and seeing John do these amazing achievements and who he is as a person on and off the table is awesome and beautiful. Well said and agree with you with everything you mentioned. John paved the way so many, humbly and gracefully. We are all so grateful what he had done and continues to do. All in all let’s all “Love Armwrestling” as a Community and with unity! 💪🥰💖🙏✌️👍🙌🌈
@dexio8601 I don't know. He looked much thinner against Levan (second match). If he stayed against Levan at the same shape as Denis +10KG, he would've been a beast.
I think prime and best is different for Devon. Devon was likely in his prime in his 30s, but he wasn't at his best yet. Devon is at his best now, or he has been at his best the last couple years.
Devon has said he is the strongest he has ever been recently, he was beating super heavy weights.. but Devon doesn't like to put on or maintain a ton of weight..
I actually think that prime Devon would beat prime Brzenk in a best of 7 match, but it would be very close in a best of 3 match. But I think Dev would lose to prime Cyplenkov. Prime Cyplenkov was juiced, so no wonder. Devon was always a better armwrestler than him, but the strength gap would be too much in my opinion.
Ou yes bc we all know every humans prime years are late 40s and early 50s when they are natural. Yes this makes most sense. Thank god!! I just turned 30 and knowing i have 20 years until my prime makes me smile.
U can't be world champion, even forget about it, top 10 in the world without taking any external drugs, either its Prime John or Prime Devon. The amount and types of drugs may differ as per the time
It’s not like he curled 170 kgs for bicep and hand insane arm power (considering that Devon’s arm power is equivalent to a middleweight puller), but no we’re just fanboys
@@shomori9642sure, 70+ kg on back pressure while having a long forearm is a middleweight standard. Not to mention when he was not training inside he beat Genadi in a hook a few times.
Prime John’s right was a force to be reckoned with! Prime Denis has had his share of losses with the perfect storm. Hypothetically speaking a 115 KG healthy John would’ve been enough for the back of Levan’s right to kiss the pin pad 6 times in a row. PERIOD.
Prime John would have given a better fight than the Canadian for sure. But Levan is not just big and strong like the guys John has faced in the past ( Lupkes, Cleve Dean...), he's also smart and very technical.
@@ArmwrestlingAbode-ys8pq first of all denis wasnt in his prime when he lost to john. He became much stronger in the following years. And i hate to say it but levan would crush prime john with ease. The weight and strength difference is entirely too much
Yes, and the backpressure part is what does the big difference, when he has some hand then he goes though your arm and then he goes for the press. It would be a bad day for Denis if he just tries to hold Ermes, unless Denis in some magical way gets Ermes into a hook.
Except Levan overall strength wise none of them have surpassed prime Denis. I don’t understand why back then arm wrestlers were not using flop and shoulder press as much as they are right now. I think arm wrestlers have become quite technical right now strength doesn’t matter anymore.
RU-vid algorithm boosting comment 💪 ... wow, i had to check if this is Vitaly! very good for the sport when more pulllers learn English. we appreciate it 😀
Prime John is not even close to Prime Devon. Prime Devon is his superheavyweight version that faced Levan for a 2nd time after he demolished Georgi Tsvetkov, Denis Cyplenkov and Ermes Gasparini. Prime Cyplenkov vs Prime version of Devon would be a close 50/50 fight right-handed i think. Left-handed prime cyplenkov would still be too strong.
Prime John is John 2006 where he went up in weight up to around 115 kg and easily beat everyone. John even beat Denis in 2008 zloty tur after Denis trained as hard as he ever did at that point with Voevoda, John was only 95 kg that event. Devon was only 120 kg when he faced Levan the 2nd time, hardly a significant super heavy weight.
@@Crono2077he struggled with Taras Ivakin just a year ago. He soon lost to Devon(I know he was injured but still), he had a little bit of a hard time in a hook with Farit. Also about Denis. Denis said that he twice f up with his prep. (Both times there were too much water retention because of which he got a lot of pump. His peak was way later than even in 2010(when he finally brought normal conditions for John in Zloty))
With all due respect to John, but he has no chance against the above. it was destroyed by the same Devon in 2008. He also lost to Voevoda in 2004 and 2007.@@Crono2077
@@andreyvolkov3117Denis just said that his peak was around 2013/14, and it is visible too, he didn't struggled with anyone in 2013 and 2014, yea there was Dave but Dave couldn't pin Denis even having such a huge access of side pressure as Denis grips very low. Denis was basically pinning everyone by dad moving them, I would give an example, u can go and search Arsen vs Richard Lupkes, where Arsen defeated Richard and we all know how Denis murdered Arsen's arm. So I think there is no way Prime Denis will not be fav. against Prime Devon, he is heavier too, he can defeat Prime Devon, but there will be literal 50/50 with Ermes (Due to being both stylistically diff. pullers) and Levan.
We all know prime John isn’t touching prime Devon 😂. Way too much respect for the “goat”. Great for his time, but he’s just not touching these super heavyweight monsters that have spawned a new era of strength and full time commitment to armwrestling now. It’s not the same as it was 20 years ago.
Then why is John 10-1 against Jerry and Jerry beat Genadi? Why did John beat prime Lupkes and old man Lupkes gave hell to Denis? Why did John beat prime Farid and Farid gave hell to Vitaly recently? Why did John pull multiple weight classes and win majority of them over the decades? Why did John beat prime Travis in 2005, and Travis beat a stronger Chaffee in 2016? A weaker Chaffee brought Ermes near the pin pad, was up 2-0 against Morozov, was up 2-0 against Genadi, beat Vitaly in 2022. Prime John would be right near the top today. He’s pound for pound the most impressive puller in history.
@@QuietToproll John beat most of his opponents when they were newer to the sport while he already had 20+ years experience. Lupkes beat John as well. Denis didn’t start full time armwrestling until after 2010. John pulled when people were all working full time jobs and not taking the sport seriously like they do now. It’s like saying wilt chamberlin is the greatest ever even though he lacked competition his size and talent level. These guys are able to train full time and this is their jobs now. Devon larrat right now in his prime would absolutely destroy any version of John there ever was…with ease. Respect John for what he was…the best of his time (except when he tries to beat the professional wrestler lol 0-3 against him) but once others started getting experience under their belt they all started beating John. The respect factor is very high for John by these guys because they looked up to him. But it’s also the biggest thing that blinds some of them from the truth. Anyone in the top 10-20 guys is dusting John’s best form. I don’t care if that hurts people’s feelings. The truth is all that matters.
@@PrimeA169 When John got in the sport in the early 80s he was beating the legends back then. He consistently kept on going and never stopped. Denis didn’t start full time armwrestling until after 2010? Sounds like an excuse. He was armwrestling at tournaments way back in 2004 all the way up until 2010. John pulled when people were working full time jobs? John is still working a full time job! He always had. People still trained and went to practice all the time. Have a job isn’t a significant issue in this sport. I’m assuming you weren’t around back then. You just see East vs West and see the depth. There were monsters back in the day as well. It was also majority of tournament arm wrestling back then which is harder than supermatches. John pulled multiple weight categories and won majority of the events over the decades. Also stricter reffing back then too. Thats why you never saw Devon at the best tournaments around the world. This is what I think… best of 7 Prime Devon beats Prime John. Best of 5 50/50. Best of 3 prime John wins. Tournament pull John wins. What you said wasn’t the truth. You’re just ignorant on the subject. You probably watched 25% of John Brzenk matches. His arm wrestling career record is estimated 3100-100 win/loss record. Over 45 years of pulling.
@@QuietToproll holy essay I read about 5 lines and I had to stop lol. Sounds like an excuse? Denis was a strongman competitor well known up until 2010 and even then still did that part time. Larry wheels competes in tournaments does that make him a full time committed puller? Sounds like you need to educate yourself before you speak anymore. John isn’t even top 10 of all time. Sorry
@@PrimeA169 lmao I just checked your profile. Your that Michael guy. I remember you. Account created 3 months ago. That says a lot. No point in arguing with you! lol.
I can't belive these kind of comments get likes. Yes, Denis is a legend of our sport, one of the greatest. But Levan wins prime Denis 100/100 matches. He was not as near as dominant as Levan is right now.
Am I the only one who think these kind of questions are stupid? Its like asking mbappé if he can beat prime zidane or prime ronaldinho. Whats the point? they are one of the best athlete of their era but thats it
I think the problem is always the same and was already debated many times recently, a man of 120 kg can't (and should not be allowed) to fight against a man of 190 kg, this regardless of the strength of each one 😑
Everyone agrees Levan is on another level.. dont know much about the others except for Devon.. devon has the best setup game.. levan is on a different way category of his own.. this guy has the frame to get there.. devon doesnt like to be fat..
Reading these comments has taught me that apparently they don't teach Europeans the difference between the right arm and the left arm. Probably need some educational reform.
I agree with vitaly and by the way, I am not gasparini fan, but I think he has more potential than he shows today. If gasparini did not get scared, he would Win against larrat. I am sure 😎
For now, unfortunately, it seems that match is not going to happen. They are now in 2 different weight catagories and Devon recently has repeated that he doesnt want to be superheavyweight anymore. I only say for now because Devon is bloody loopy so he could eventually change his mind.
Виталя, ты серьезно? Ларрат победил бы пикового Дениса??? То, что ты прижал его в спарринге левой рукой вообще ничего не говорит... ты в той же форме не прижал Курдечу на спаррингах при ТОП8, а его в той форме вообще Онгарбаев сломал! Спарринг и соревнование - гигантская разница, как не тебе это понимать? Если бы ты тогда вышел на соревновательный поединок с Денисом, ты бы ни сантиметра у него не забрал, а сразу у подушки оказался, ровно так же, как и любой формы Ларрат, да и Леван туда же
Гаспарини никогда бы не потянул пикового Воеводу, там разница в антропометрии колоссальная. Виталя гонит) Денис явно сильнее в прайме Ларата) а Леван сильнее всех без шансов.
Yeah, I have to disagree with Vitaly. No way John would be able to beat Devon that faced Levan. (Unless he can start very fast and get into a hook immediately. Then there's some decent chances)
Healthy shoulder? Am I forgetting something? He had his injury since he was like 13? Like it's impossible by default. (I'd rather buy into a stuff where people say "roided" John Brzenk)
@@andreyvolkov3117 He did yes. But what I am saying is a hypothetical scenario where John Brzenk discovered stem cells in time and got his shoulder completely healthy. He was already a monster in 2006 with a 95% shoulder. Imagine if he was fully healthy and could add another 5%?
@@viktore69 oh I see where're you going buddy. Yeah for sure he would be better. (Still I think Levan would destroy him 6-0. But juice introduction(I mean like grams of juice not TRT/low-dose cycle that John did) with shoulder fix would've made this match somewhat close(with John not even being close to Levan bodyweight))
Levan rips EVERYONE apart right handed. BUT if John used more drugs, got to 130kg+, and did heavy heavy weights in his young days he would be be like Ermes and be able to stop Levan for a few rounds but will lose in end. I believe John never got close to his actual potential and said he never like training with weights either.
I agree that Levan annihilates everyone but that “if” for John doesn’t really make any sense. John never went to that weight because he didn’t want to and probably couldn’t. Not everyone has the genetics to build that much muscle mass and be that heavy. That’s like saying if Floyd Mayweather is 130 kg he would smash Tyson Fury. It doesn’t work like that.
