It hurts me when we refer to Tim Hardaway as "Tim Hardaway Sr" as a teenager in the '90s. Man. I remember when Tim Hardaway was a young gun coming up in the early 90s...he was SOMETHING. AND Healthy young Penny Hardaway was something else...haha.
Wait what year did Penny avg 28ppg 7rebs 6ast?? People just say anything, Penny was really good and on his way to being great but the injuries happen but he was never "Right there" with MJ. Oh and that was rookie MJ numbers
21 games against each other Mj 28ppg 6rebs 5ast 2.3stls 1blk Penny 21ppg 4rebs 5ast 1.6Stls 0.4 blks Yeah turns out I was wrong. Penny was definitely bussin MJ's Ass... My fault I stand corrected
@@mstringer10 Former Bulls teammate of Jordan said this. "I vividly remember Michael being so frustrated that he couldn't stop him" - Michael Jordan's teammate noticed his difficulty guarding Penny. Koncak said it was the first time he saw Jordan had a difficult time guarding anyone. And that's the truth. I'm a Jordan fan and Penny. I just love 90's NBA. Knicks fan of course and love Ewing and Starks but Penny did give Jordan and Pip problems in the short time they all went at each other but we just fans talking. In reality Jordan had a lot of respect for Penny and even pranked him at the all star game pulling down his warm up pants.
That's because they played 2 different positions. Penny couldn't just jack up shots because he had to distribute the ball as a PG. Tim is strictly talking about Penny's skillset
@@Tone22845 what about when penny had the team all to himself in that first year without Shaq 🤔 he could jack up all the shots he wanted.he didn't even average 25ppg.my point is penny is way to over hyped and overrated.he was indeed a top talent,very skilled and true excitement playing basketball 🏀.he was however nowhere near Kobe or Jordan and was not on his way to all time greatness before the injury on the levels of those particular goats 🐐 like former players portray him to be.
@@erablaktv like i said he was the PG. Back then you didn't have PG's jacking up shots like they started doing in 2000's. And that's the season when he had that 1st knee injury
People have no idea how good Penny was. A little bit of Magic Johnson + young Kobe Bryant. Athletic, entertaining, dropping no look dimes but could posterize big men too. Plus the media was behind him with those Lil Penny commercials. He was not right up there with MJ because MJ was an absolute master at that time but Penny could easily ...EASILY become the face of the league.
Here you go talking like Jordan couldn’t pass Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time not the greatest scorer and defender basketball player! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-AiTOXUmsdoM.htmlsi=ws92BcBB5nN0GN-E
@@crush_4103 dude stop saying nonsense. You c-l-o-w-n-s love to leave out context. When you put that situation in context Mike only played 17 games that yr. The next year the bulls swept them after Mike played the whole year. That's context
@@blackestknightx8881 i love mike just like every body else. But some of you mike stans/ freaks are just the worst. I'm sure if mike would have won the chip that year he came back it would have counted as well and everybody would be praising him. But because he got SENT HOME my comment is deceptive. Dude came back and got beat, point blank period
@@crush_4103 you want context.. mike hit a game winner in his third game vs the hawks. Then scored 55 vs the Knicks. That 17 game played bullshit excuse is for people like you that believe mike is untouchable. Well he got touched up by penny and the magic 😂
@@versatillion15 Mike was a scorer and defender. Penny was more Magic on roids cause he could score. Here's the thing we never got to see Penny have a prime. Who knows what else he could of evolved into. He didn't average as much as Jordan but he could drop 30/40 when needed. Same can be said for Grant Hill, Rose, Tmac etc. On NBA Inside Open Court on TNT They did the 90's episode and Grant Hill was on it and the other former players on the panel said you were better than Scottie Pippen and Grant you could tell appreciated but said himself "Scottie got 6 rings I don't"
Penny was that dude! Real deal. Injuries derailed good career. Would he have been HOF? Yes. Top 5 PG? Yes. MJ level, respectfully no. Got swept in Finals with Shaq ... Then actually lost to MJ Bulls ... Last but not least ... THERE ARE 2 SIDES OF THE GAME! offense & DEFENSE!
Stockton, come on man. His career average is what 13 ppg. Magic & Isiah, his contemporaries averaged 19 for their careers. Could Stockton have scored more but he was the third option on most of his teams.
@williamwalsh1533 your not accounting for the offensive system and scheme plus personal. Stockton always had the ball practically. They really didn't have another person to start the offense most yrs. The magic had Brain shaw and Penny shot well enough to slide to the shooting Guard.
Kids born in the 80s remember how big Penny was. Penny was cold, great player. Definitely up there. Wouldn't quite put him on Jordans level tho...But popularity wise he was definitely up there with Jordan with us Kids. His unique name and skills made him super marketable.
Even with the injuries, I have Penny Hardaway ranked as the 3rd greatest combo guard of all time in the NBA right behind Stephen Curry and Allen Iverson.
Tim Hardaway played against both but people are still trying to argue against him and nobody in this comment section played in the NBA ( including me😅😅😅) Y'all are delusional and delirious. I'll take the person that actually played in the NBA'S opinion first and foremost.
Exactly, how do you argue with a star player back in the 1990,s who had to defend Penny Hardaway on the court, and seen Penny in his first 3 years before his knees went, and the failed new micro surgery,s back then
See, the thing is that MJ wasn’t in his prime during the 2nd 3-peat while battling Penny and other premier guards in the league. Prime MJ was during the 1st 3-peat which was a hella scary MJ. And I say this because the league couldn’t do anything with him during the 2nd 3-peat. The question is would the statement “A prime Penny was right there with MJ” be talked about if it was a prime MJ vs a prime Penny?
Of Penny didn’t get injured he probably be the greatest to ever do it and I’m big in Jordan but Penny was the real deal. Kobe & Lebron wasn’t Penny Hardaway There was a poetic genius to the way he played the game
not a Killer? He dunked on Hakeem, Ewing, Robinson (post injury) Malone, Mutumbo , etc. Only big he never dunked on was Shaq. Maybe in practice haha. Took Jordan 1 v 1 (We all know Jordan the better) just saying. He attacked the rim a lot.
@lamontewilliams203 accomplishments no. Ability? A few. Grant and Penny come to mind first. You will never convince me that a prime non injured Grant or non injured Penny wouldn't have kept given Jordan buckets the way he gave them. I done seen Penny spin baseline on Jordan and dunk on Pip. And just run the tape back on what Grant did to both of'em. Both as YOUNG players they was giving MJ nasty work.
@@MrWoo-jc8ntnah you’re tripping lmaoo penny has became extremely overrated… he had potential to get to that elite level but body started to break down
No one is or will be ever be Jordan…Penny was different, n gifted, but never will know..Man had not even 3 yea full healthy yrs. So out the gate was top 3 dominant guards. Let’s be honest he was a problem for any n all regardless.
What do you mean he was right there. Penny cooked MJ and my man Pippen when they went gainst one another. Hell Clyde had his number also. People have to stop with this narrative that MJ didn't get cooked.
What?… he was better than Grant Hill, stop it. He wasn’t Jordan but he damn sure was equal or better than Hill. If you wanna say equal, that’s fine. Name 2 things that Grant Hill did better… I’ll wait
@@1Eashawty equal as passers? Lol, no. Penny had true point guard vision. We’re talking about their prime, not the entire career. Scoring, Penny had Shaq, the most dominant Big in history, Grant Hill was the main option on his team. Penny’s offensive package was just as lethal as Hill’s was, and he was better at the 3 pointer than Hill.
@@1Eashawty And? Grant Hill had the ball in his hand like LeBron does, and James Harden used to. Penny was a better passer, plain and simple. And after Shaq, Penny’s injuries started to come. So your stat argument is missing context behind it. Sorry, stats are numbers.. they’re not the actual visual of the game being played.
We know Penny was not as good as Michael Jordan, just like we know TMAC wasn’t as good as Kobe, but there was a time when TMAC was in Orlando, and if you said he was better than Kobe half of the room would agree with you, in the same way back in 1995 people were like penny is going to be better than Michael Jordan, And a lot of people would agree with you, it wasn’t a crazy thing to say that out loud. just by the eye test he was just better than everybody else and would make people look stupid on the court… plus he was highly marketable with 10,000 different commercials back in an era where all kids did all day was watch TV.. plus he was the number one selling jersey in the league
@@s4mp_founder You know what the argument can be made for sure. Kevin Durant is my guy, used to play ball with him and I know his father, so I should be biased in this argument seeing that he and I are from the same place and we take pride and what we do which is destroy people in the basketball court, however, the best version of Kevin Durant was the second championship of Golden State, he was at the peak of his powers, you have to put that version of 06 Kobe…AKA 81 points kobe…
He was highly respected and regarded among his peers and the fans. Behind Jordan he was the 2nd most popular player from 95-97. His shoes did well and his commercials were legendary.
“Right there with Jordan”… 🤣🤦🏼♂️🤣🤦🏼♂️ Delusional take. All empirical evidence says it wasn’t EVER remotely close. In fact, Jordan was the greatest player on the planet for over a decade straight. Hardaway was never even a Top 5 player in the league. Totally clueless.
