Nice video, we have the same primitive weapon law here in Louisiana. I use a traditions outfitter g3 in .35 remington. I reload with barnes tsx 180 gr over 38.0 gr. Of imr 3031. 2200 fps. Very accurate. Its good to about 125 yds, which is my max that I can see from my stand.
That Barnes vortex out of a cva scout 35 does it every time. I hunt with mine from gun opener thru the rest of the season. Shoots amazing with a good scope also
Dude! Thanks for doing this. It can be a little confusing reading all the rules and regs and then I end up feeling like an idiot asking questions to a DNR officer to make sure I'm hunting within the law. Very helpful!
This video is contradictory gibberish and could get people into trouble. You did the ONLY wise thing in asking the DNR directly if the law wasn't clear to you.
Don’t just read um, physically call or go see a game warden. Ask specific questions and have them answer them. It’s best to ask one from the county you will be hunt n in.. unless you come to Lafayette county! Not all land in Lafayette is same. Most roads n and out of Lafayette are some kind of refuge! Means gun n a lockable case even while in your truck! Weird rules n regs there.
@@jeremyfortune7274I agree that talking to a local warden is a great thing to do, but it is no replacement for reading the law. I have been written 4 tickets in the last 5 years by a warden and all 4 have been won, either in court or before, by me. The law was on my side, and he made a mistake. I was also written a ticket about 15 years ago in another state over whether it was legal to take a doe with a bow during a buck only rifle season. That one was also dismissed by the department. I have also asked questions and had local wardens guess incorrectly, only to later speak with someone at the main office who told me the correct answer. People make mistakes, so CyA.
350 legend, 400 legend, 450 bushmaster, 358 win., 357 mag, 44 mag, 454 Casull, 460 S&W, 500 S&W, 360 buckhammer would be a few other cartridges that would be legal
@@Trent_EllisThere is no such thing as a breech-loaded muzzle loader. It's either loaded from the breech OR the muzzle. There are VERY few breech-loaded black powder guns, but there does seem to be a legal gap which excludes these in MS for now. A bolt action firearm is a breech loader by definition. I don't know of any black powder guns that are actually bolt action yet. Mine has a handle which resembles a bolt, but that's just a handle for setting the primer. The breech plug is seperate and the load is still inserted into the muzzle.
I use to shoot a Remington inline muzzleloader my uncle let me use it had a bolt on it that that you opened to put the cap in instead of a break action but you still loaded the powder and bullet from the muzzle I got checked using it on a NWR in ms during muzzleloader season and nothing was said so idk but I have a optima v2 using 100 grain of powerdex pellets and the green power belt bullets and it groups within a snuff can
@@matthewcalhoun4867Your gun is legal. This guy is calling a breech loaded black powder gun like the Nitrofire or Crossfire a "bolt action muzzleloader" which is absolute nonsense. They are break action breechloaders and not legal in MS.
“Primitive Weapon” season in MS in summary: A JOKE! Anyways, Thx so much for taking the time to make the videos. Good material and thx for all the laughs. NE MS native here 🏹👍🏻
Ar Kansass has followed suit with you guys and other primitive hunting method states. I will say all those guys sound great, but I love my Marlins. It's a shame Marlin was bought out by Ruger, because they took away the one gun I was looking to purchase. The Marlin 308. Now they are hard to come by. That .444 definitely looks like a it'll drop whatever it touches. May have to check it out further. Great video bud.
I have a 500 S&W "primitive" as well as 44 mag and 350 Legend, I many times use them throughout the entire gun season. They are all reliable at muzzle loader range. My brother has a 35 Whelen, that is fine as far as we can shoot, about 250 yards. I am in the state to your West and our seasons seem to be similar and weapon specs seem similar as well. I won't be using a muzzle loader unless that becomes the rule and then likely to just knock those two weeks out of the season.
35 wheelin is a beast my we’re from ms and my dad has a 35 it has always dropped everything he’s hit with it the only time we had to track one for a while was a 250 yd shot
He probably shot too far back or low. 35 Whelen is a hammer and the flattest shooting of all the "primitives" eligible in MS & LA. If it was in a straightwall and restricted cartridge length area, it would be a tossup between 350 Legend and 360 Buckhammer on flatness. The neat thing about breakbarrel rifles is their compact nature. I have an 8 inch long suppressor on my 20"CVA Scout and it is shorter than my 22 inch 30-06 bolt rifle with no muzzle add on.😊
I got the same cva accura in the Mr-x and with 100grain weighted black horn 209 and Barnes tmz 250gr has been good for me. Also easy to clean after shots.
A free floated barrel allows the barrel harmonics to react to each shot naturally instead of being disrupted by a handguard and your hand squeezing it.
35 Whelen is the ticket. Use it all season. I have other rifles but the 35 shots too good to mess with anything else. I don’t even take the 444 anymore. Killed a lot with 444 but the 35 is the money maker.
Peppertown is at the 3way? I believe it is right up the road from my buddy’s moms place but I’ve yet to eat there so I’ll be adding it to the list of gotta try their tea
I know I’m not a local and have heard about this season in the past, but I just reread the rules on the DNR page and you could use a bolt action black powder muzzleloader like the Remington 700 uml or similar style. The way I understood it just had to be black powder and not smokeless in them guns. It’s kinda dumb you can use a breach loaded metallic case with smokeless powder but not a smokeless muzzleloader. So if it has to be 35 caliber could that mean you could use 35 Remington? 35 Whelen is cool never shot one but it’s a necked up 30/06. All them guns balistically are the same so it’s whatever and if I was hunting there I’d use the 35 whelen. 444 marlin is awesome and I like better then the government.
It's new technology, the law will catch up. You did not read that correctly. A breech loaded black powder gun is NOT currently legal. Yes, you can use 35 rem. 350 legend is much more popular already.
@@BG-bx4ey the bolt action muzzleloaders I was talking about don’t load from the breach. Powder and projectiles still load from the muzzle and the primer gets put in the breech plug. Idk if I’m missing something or what
@@nicksummerfield5408Gotcha. You're not missing anything. The confusion comes from people (and even manufacturers, professionals, and youtubers) using the terms "muzzleloader" or "bolt action" inappropriately. The Traditions Nitrofire won "muzzleloader of the year" despite not being a muzzleloader at all and not being legal in states which require muzzleloaders to be loaded from the muzzle. It's a breech loader. A bolt action is also a breech loader as the bolt is a breech block that moves to load the chamber. "Bolt action" muzzleloaders, like mine, are not bolt action at all. They just have a handle that looks like a bolt for replacing the primer.
@@BG-bx4ey so does Mississippi have a mix up on the language then? Like you said the bolt action muzzleloaders don’t load from the breach. The only thing in the breach is the primer just like the break action muzzleloaders same concept it’s just different design. Traditions and CVA tried skirting rules with nitrofire that’s because the primer and the powder are loaded from the breach and the bullet is still loaded from the muzzle and that threw a whole bunch of states in a tail spin on what to do.
@@nicksummerfield5408No, Mississippi's wording is perfectly clear. Breech loaded black powder guns are NOT legal yet. The guy on this video is completely unqualified to speak on firearms and his commentary is mostly gibberish.
If you want performance and more accurate get rid of them temp sensitive and inconsistent white hots. Swap to a smokeless legal powder like black horn and weigh them out world of difference.
Got into a dispute over email with mdwfp over a deal using a single shot shotgun using metallic brass hulls loaded with slugs,yes i reload and can get brass hull,they refused to listen
The law covering this is very poorly written. A single shot rifle using a cartridge loaded with modern smokeless powder is legal but a muzzleloader loaded with modern smokeless powder is not. Muzzleloaders are limited to black powder or a substitute such as Pyrodex, Triple 7, etc. The law also specifies RIFLE so your TC Encore rifle in 45-70 is legal but a 45-70 Encore pistol is not even though it’s technically the same gun. The law has been adjusted twice since its inception, the first lowering the minimum caliber from .38 to .35 which allowed more cartridges to be legal and the second time dropping the rifle design from being pre 1900 to just single shot with exposed hammer. It’s time for a few more changes to it IMO.
There isn't a bolt action black powder gun. If you're talking about a muzzle loader with a handle you open to set the primer that resembles a bolt, then yes. That's legal. He's talking about a breech loaded black powder gun, which is not yet legal. Also, no one makes one in bolt action that I know of.
@@johnhayes2299Oh, no. MS doesn't have a straight walled exception. The cartridge rifle exceptions are single shot, breech loaded, exposed hammer, 35 cal or larger.
Ain’t no way that 35 dont kick u like a mule. That’s y I just went with the 350 legend. Little easier on my shoulder and I’m not shooting over 200 yards. And it’s legal here and most of the northern states where the 35 Whalen isn’t
@@BG-bx4ey if they do hit me up I may have one to part with lol they made it legal this year for straight walls in Arkansas where we hunt and it’s been legal statewide here in Louisiana where I live for years
@@TherealBartcephusI live in LA too and it's technically not legal here either. The law allows a breech loaded cartridge rifle 35 cal or larger OR a muzzle loaded black powder rifle 44 cal or larger, but a breech loaded black powder rifle like the Nitrofire is not included in the regs. I'd be shocked if you got a ticket for it though.
MDWFP has news statements asking hunters to kill every deer they can legally kill. Calling these types of guns and cartridges ‘primitive weapons’ helps in that endeavor.
No exposed hammer...has to have an exposed hammer and break barrel to qualify as "primitive" with metallic cartridges. Bullet diameter must be a minimum of .35 inches also.
The Ruger No1 actually does have an exposed hammer. The hammer is on the bottom of the receiver and, when cocked, the tip protrudes out of the trigger guard. I’d call that exposed. I have 2 caliber legal, 45/70 and .375, No1’s that I regularly use during PW season and I’ve never had an issue with anyone.
@@kevinbrown1161 does the hammer cock sparately from the lever that operates the block? If you wish to risk your $1000+ rifle and hunting privileges, test its compliance with the law on a local game warden this season. Using something and it being within the law are separate issues.
The law doesn’t get into specifics. It states single shot with exposed hammer, nothing more. Doesn’t say fully exposed or manually cocked, it also doesn’t specify action type or specific cartridges, only .35 or larger. You can clearly see the hammer spur on a No1 when cocked so it’s exposed.
@@BG-bx4ey exactly what I said. He said they can only use breach or break action. I apologize for not specifying it was straight wall only. Thank goodness for RU-vid green jeans like yourself!
Been using my .35 rem for 10 years with 185 gr soft nose . Now I’m mainly a head shooter but I’ve shot 3 in the liver & 1 in the heart but never had one go more than 20 yds. South MS .
