Primož Roglič GOES DOWN (Again...) 

Agreed. Roglic can be blamed for a lot of his crashes but man, his bad luck in the tour is unreal.

Bad luck might improve a scosh if he rode more towards the front.

Thanks John. I like to find the details that everyone else misses, throw in some coaching, a little story time here and there, and analyze what went wrong and what went right during the stage. Never hurts to call out a couple knuckleheads along the way, or the brilliant ones. 😜👊🦋

@@ChrisHornerCyclingI am upset to see Roglic go down today. Throughout the tour I have rarely seen any of his team mates, what are they doing all day? Also, why is Redbull Bora Hansgrohe not at the front? Is it because they are not as strong and cant stay up there? Or that they dont need to be because they are lower on classification?

I truly miss Chris being on the NBC show to give his outstanding analysis of all aspects of cycle racing. I loved when he and Christian were on the show together and would often differ in opinion, both giving excellent takes on how they see things. I used to always look forward to those pre and post race segments. Alas Chris moved on and Christian went motorcycling. I am however very happy however to be able to tune into the Butterfly Effect and get Chris's fantastic post race break downs. Thank you as always Chris.

@@ChrisHornerCycling My son is into cycling, both MTB and road. I'm a chesterfieldian, and your channel is a brilliant resource for me to understand what he is going through, in his road races.

I enjoy Chris’ stories! And especially his experience as a rider and the insights that brings! Also his stage summaries are getting funnier and funnier!❤❤❤

ya, and even though the ones who are cutting him are being relegated... its still not enough coz theyre impending wout's chance to win the stage, he was so close on this stage

Yea I think he would have won. Quite amazing given the fall he took the day before.

Slut needs to change his taktik and especially his chice of line. Always the fight against the barriers. Not much room there and dangerous for him.

that's sprinting. Sometimes things go your way and sometimes they don't. Doubtful that Wout is getting too frustrated, he knows it's part of the game.

He was just in a bad position

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It’s going to get WILD in the live chat when that happens!

I see what you did there....nice.....

Yep. 👊🦋

The Bini movement in full force. Very talented .

He's kicking ass. :D And as far as I can see a super likeable guy as well.

Do you like his hand gyrations ?

John 👊🦋🦋👊👊

Lets hope he doesn't😆

Unless you are first to comment. 😂🦋🛋️👊🦋👊

Thanks Slayer 👊🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋

Bini is not the strongest sprinter in the peloton but by far and away this year he is the luckiest. As Napoleon Bonaparte once remarked he looked for a general who was not only a competent fighter but also a lucky fighter.

@@epincion naw, he's winning the slightly uphill sprints which suit him and still scoring well (although not winning) on the flat run ins which suit other sprinters (Phillipsen). It's not an accident. A sprinter doesn't just go out and race and get lucky and win, he/she has to make it happen.

No, it's easy, barely an inconvenience.

@@TheFlyingDogFish Vuelta is hes,srcasm mouch-ey

​@@TheFlyingDogFishoh thats tight!

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Lutsenko

The front row was taken by GC teams and sprinter teams. Rog didn't have the rouleurs to position him in that lot without causing more friction.

@@cartermoth6447Roglic had teammates in the first 3 rows, and video footage shows them looking around for him before the crash. Roglic does this all the time. He believes it is better to race from at least 5-7 rows back so he can see how people attack in front of him.

Glad you enjoyed it. 👊🦋

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great observation . Also if Bini had not competed or if the Ichthyostega had never crawled out of the seas, or had a stadium-sized meteor struck planet earth yesterday things would have gone differently

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👍Primož vs Sepp

​@@joebriggs8422that would be epic

@@joebriggs8422 Epic stuff,but Rogla takes it

World tour teams will be fighting to sign him up

Kind of sad no one has really been challenging him , but maybe that’s because he’s so good. I loved how he has just been so selfish and was gobbling up all the points, sprint and KOM! lol

What is there to challenge? Almost nobody is after the KOM jersey and the sprint points. Plus while it is somewhat exciting to see him have a go, I am not sure how significant it is in terms of getting contracts? He is going off to breakaways that are doomed to be caught and in the high mountains he is understandably dropped. I don't see him as any better than any other guy in the peloton in terms of capability but he is having fun :)

It's Abrahamsen.

Have you seen the profiles of the Olympics and Worlds this year ?? With all respect for what Abrahamsen does this Tour, but these parcourses are not made for him... The Olympics will be won by a Alaphilippe, van der Poel kind of guy and the Worlds by a pure climber..... Abrahamsen does grab with both hands the free publicity he can get in stages where nobody else does even want to go in the breakaway, let's not pretend that he's all of the sudden become a world class rider... He spends energy where others (Not even the smallest participating teams) don't want to waste their breath.... I love it tbh.... But we all know that he will gain shit from it... The polka dot jersey will in the end be won by a pure climber, and Abrahamsen will not even be in the top five of that ranking... All the big mountains still have to come, and on a number of them the same amount of points can be won, that Abrahamsen did earn in twelve days. Neither (Although I do hope that he can prove me wrong) is he gonna win a stage..... Thus the only thing he does is grabbing points that nobody cares about anyway. And let me say again that I love it, we need more guys like him !! But bringing a 80 kilo guy (Abrahamsen) to the Olympics for Norway, while they have riders that are better suited for that kind of parcours.... 🤔 And since Norway can take only two guys to the Olympic road race (Waerenskjold and Johannessen probably) there is no room for Abrahamsen.... But we'll see..... Maybe that they will give him a selection for the Worlds, but that title is going to the pure climbers/puncheurs. With this and next season we will have two World Championships that are tailor made for the climbers. Certainly next year when we will have almost 6 thousand meter of elevation at the first World Championship ever in Africa. (This years edition is in Switzerland, environment Zürich where we used to have a great classic in the past. The Zürich Metzgete.. A classic that was always won by climbers or super, super strong puncheurs like Bettini, Di Luca etc etc etc. )

Something was not right there, they just rode him in. 😢

Yep. I agree with you 100%. I meant to go back to the Rogic topic later and adjust what I said but then I forgot to. Certainly Bora wasn’t blowing the team up or they would have been losing riders all the way into the finish. Good eyes and ears. 👂 👀 👊🦋

I think he is done he will abandon and focus on Vuelta

Yes he was completely boxed in by bollards and rider yet only half a bike behind at the finish . Maybe a stage 13 for him today

At this point I totally agree. People talk about bike handling and all that. But He's got 4 GT's in his bag plus a bunch of 1 weekers. Dude has terrible luck in this race.

​@@Sportsloverandrewa bunch?that is a huge understatement The guy is the king of 1 week races only lost when he fell otherwise he even beat Pogi multiple time in races like Dauphinee or Paris Nice

That was a really good day. When we left the team meeting in the morning at our hotel after the all the riders walked out but me. I look at our team manager and he said we got to win. I said, no one can guarantee the win but, I guarantee you that I’m going to put on show today. 😜😂👊🦋

I was there too! I got to ride on back of moto for one circuit up Fillmore scared the crap out of me. Seems like half the field didn't finish. Great day!

@@maryhallisey1016 Armstrong only took a couple laps then dropped out

Obstacles. Such a stupid term road furniture.

Those little center curbs are seriously the worst of all of them. You never predict they are coming because they uncommon on most roads and you can’t see them at all. 😱☠️🦋⚰️🦋

It's the perfect term actually.

It’s always a compromise on the issue of road furniture. To move all of it and then replace all of it is not feasible and risks disrupting public support for the race. In this instance it should have been much better signed and the gaps between the blocks of road furniture seamlessly filled in with temporary barriers so that no rider can ever be in that space.

@patrickwong4824. HEY, watch your language.

All these years, unbeknownst to me, I've been speaking some French 😉

I couldn’t believe that Roglic never had his big boys on the front. Today was the day for them to at the front during this final. Crazy. 🤔🦋😱

@@LABoykoone little f-word🙄. If you watch other cycling podcast the f-word is constantly used.

I think the first….learning it when young

Right, if Pogi had gone all the way, the review would have looked differently…

😜 Every rule as I have said before can be broken. If they know when to break it, and exactly how to break. If they don’t know, then it’s much easier to just not break it and bring Pogi into the finish to grab bonus seconds and win the stage. But remember uAE were already officially breaking the #1 rule when Pogi attacked and his teammates still had more left. So they broke rule #1 anyways, UAE just didn’t break it correctly. 😂🤔🦋👊😂😂😂😂😂😂#1🦋

@@ChrisHornerCycling How do you know before you make a knucklehead move? They were trying to decide the Tour right there and then. I applaud them for trying.

​@@erichgerber251medium mountains stage won't be the place to decide the tour

After the sprint teams are losing riders left and right it just maybe a break away stage. Little bumpy out there for stage 13. It will take some organization if the sprinter teams want to control the peloton all day and some serious attacking to break the sprint trains. 🚂 👊🦋🔥

Bam 💥🧸🦋🦋👊🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋

💥 💥 get on this podium! 🙋🏻‍♀️

I don't think it mattered in this instance, Roglic looked really bad and could barely hold his team's wheel. Visma did ride very hard but in their defence if they didn't someone else would and they would just lose their position.

It’s really only for the yellow jersey that they do that. BUT, it’s different when it is so close to the end and it’s a sprint stage -- the teams are already starting getting ready for their sprints. VLAB was riding for Wout to with the stage at that point.

not when you're in the last 5km of a sprint finish... when it's mid-stage, like previously, when Pogy crashed, yes!

I'm a big Roglic's fan, but unfortunately everything was ok. They actually didn't push as much for first few kilometers and Roglic stayed at around 1:15 for a while. If Roglic was fine, he'd get close or in the peloton during this time, but it was seen he slowed down his team cause he couldn't keep the pace up. At around 7km to go the race just blew up and it is all good. There is no way for peloton to completely wait for 4th in the GC, I think even yellow jersey wouldn't be wait for in the same position.

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Olympics ooh please he isn’t even selected and if he stays in tour he has a chance to beat remco and almeida

Maybe he should stay in tdf to maintain fitness and confidence but just not challenge for GC . Perhaps just sit back now and maybe challenge for a stage win when he's 10 minutes down on gc or something

@@nakawesiabia6311 Rogla is out of tour+he sad that we will see about olympics meaning he was selected

@@nakawesiabia6311He dropped out.

@@FoxtrottangoabcHe dropped out.

@charliedillon1400. You guys are killing Primoz. The crash yesterday occurred on a wet, narrow road with sharp turns; the crash today occurred when another rider crashed in front of him. He's going to be alright and a podium finish, while unlikely, is still possible.

@@LABoyko He didn't start today. Hope he's okay.

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"moved to the other side of the peloton" 👍smart move

Haha, I have a similar story about a guy who comes to our training rides. He’s the only guy I know to crash while on a hill climb and if I ever find myself on his wheel, I’ll move out. Stay well away! Can’t tell if it’s his bike/tire setup, handling, or spatial awareness because he’s been cycling for years and is very fast rider just a complete liability.

@draconianTL. Pretty sure Lance crashed on a climb in the TDF.

@@LABoyko yeah everybody does crash at some point or another. And you just made me remember my friend Jeff Wyatt. He was a crashing machine. He was going to quit bike racing and then he won the state criterium championship in Utah. A lot of category 1's in that state.

@@joebriggs8422 Thanks for reading my story. I know it was long. I remember it like yesterday and it was about 35 years ago.

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@satycreekergang4985. "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark." -- Bill Shakespeare.

I thought it was blatantly obvious from the overhead shots. He did exactly what Jasper did when Jasper got relegated; Wout had plenty of room, and then he didn’t and had to stop pedaling as Demare cut him off.

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Yes

Yep. Cav got the boot also. It chaos every where. 🥾👢😱👊🦋🔥⚰️

What the bike handling skills have to do when someone take you down, mr YT expert?

12.3 k to go and no warning whistle. Yikes. I hated those little curb. Absolutely the worse. 😱 ⚠️ 🦋

All the crashes take their toll on the riders and spoil the tdf by week three . It's been criminal in recent years how race officials don't make the riding safer

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I was super impressed yesterday during the descent on stage 11 how quickly Roglic goes down hill after so many hard crashes. 🤔🦋⛰️