Princess Sally Acorn: The Sonic Character Sega Wants You to Forget (and Why You Never Will) 

You do realize Sally Acorn isn't canon right? Neither is Sonic SatAM, TAoStH, nor the Archie Comics. Amy's the real love interest to Sonic at this point. Amy is to Sonic as Princess Peach is to Mario. It's really NOT up for debate, Game Apologist. Sorry, but it's true. I know this will most likely upset you considering your comment here 27:52 about Sonamy shippers being so called "weirdos," but that's just how it is. It may seem like Sonic doesn't love Amy back, but he does. In Sonic 06 (which believe it or not is canon) if you choose Amy instead of Elise, the guy in charge of the Test of Love says "You chose Amy. Your long time love," in Sonic Chronicles (Also canon despite what SEGA says) Sonic has the option to tell Amy how he feels, and in Sonic Unleashed Sonic can go on a date with her. Sonic even loves her back in Sonic X. Hence 27:49. And don't bother saying that Sonic X isn't canon. In may not be 100%, but the lore is INDEED canon. Many aspects of it are. SEGA and Sonic Team actually worked on Sonic X and most of what happened in that show are based off of the events from the main games such as Sonic Adventure 1 and 2, Sonic Battle, and the Sonic Advance games. Yuji Naka was even a producer. If you still proceed on saying that Sonic X isn't canon, then that's pretty foolish. It's okay if you love Sally Acorn and the Archie Comics, but you shouldn't force whatever you want for people who don't want it. I'm sure you were quite the 90s kid lol, but you shoudn't ruin Amy, or Sonic, or Blaze, or any other character just because of how much you love Sally Acorn. And just for the record it's saddening that you call Sonamy fans "weirdos" cause they really have good and valid reasons for shipping them and loving them as a couple. Basically Sonic and Amy's relationship is pretty much like Ash and Serena's relationship from Pokémon and Huey and Jasmine's from The Boondocks. Sure Serena and Jasmine aren't exactly obsessive, but it's the same case scenario.

RockWAREstar ummm

RockWAREstar yeah I know but the Paragraph...

RockWAREstar not really needed

@@mrnnc6805 Problem? You don’t need to react like I’m throwing a huge fit over Sonamy. I’m not a shipper.

Yeah, she needs someone who actually pays attention to her. As someone who has been in Amy's shoes and even gotten stuck in one-sided relationships, her crush on Sonic isn't healthy (not to mention so, so stressful) and she needs to let go and find someone who sees her as the whole wide universe (but maybe wait a couple years before that as she's still quite young).

True

I think that a way that could happen is with sally talking to her so she can become more independent

i completl agree with this. but i would see the lovable, cheery , amy we all loved in sonic adventure 2 and 1. her personality and priority's where not always centred around sonic, and more about the ones in danger. But know sega ruined it. and made her an annoying brat that is obsessed with sonic. Making amy an obsessed bratty child is one of the biggest mistakes sega made. I just hope she comes back to her senses, and instead of making her sally acorn #2 , Give her the level headed caring little goofball ofa hefghog she was.

Are y'all forgetting that Amy used the Chaos Emeralds to wish herself to be older? She's got the mind of a child. Which makes Amy X ANYONE really fuckin weird.

Agreed especially with the other sonic relationships especially one from three comics that had tails and sonic cucked and just bad and a certain human on 06

Yeah that is also annyoing me sally and amy are friends they arent rivals or enemies! Sally and amy deserve better!

Why put two bad bitches against each other?

Only Amy deserves better because she is wearing clothes

@@iceman92211bro who hurt you💀

*Hundredth like* It’s just too bad Ken Penders screwed THAT up big time with his sexism (which in this case, is going overboard with Sally Acorn’s anger to the point where it really does look like she wants to hit Sonic with a Piko-Piko Hammer for forgetting her dates and their friends when all he was trying to do was find his way back home and be a hero, which is so not her! m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0ldpZ4noYsY.html) in Issue #134 of Archie Sonic.

so... where is she exactly in the comics at this point?

Roberto Blake I honestly agree with most of the video I think she should be brought back but my problem is that ppl will hate her so my point is this as a list. Amy who can barely manage stuff and is a yandere who needs saving a little too much and can't keep up. Sally who has half of tails I.Q. and can hold her own in a way and always has a strategy built for any scenario and rarely needs saving. My choice is sally no offense a girl who can hold her own and be smart is a win plus who wouldn't want a badass princess

@@devinnewsom1972 "Need saving a little too much"? Man, Amy wasn't kidnapped since Sonic CD, at least to a point where Sonic has to save her, it was even backwards in SA2. I agree that Sally should be in the games but that doesn't mean Amy should be cut from the franchise (at least no one but Charmy should be).

I assume you meant strong instead of sting.

Oh really? Have you watched Bob's Burgers?

@@dragondelsur5156 Yes. Good show

F-Zilla Don’t forget about Mephisto, Peter Sold his Marriage To MJ to Mephisto just to save the life of his Dying Aunt who the whole point of her character is that she’s the “old lady who’s just one overly salty bowl of soup away from death”!!!!!!!! Also may I just acknowledge the fact that SPIDER MAN MADE A DEAL WITH THE DEVIL!!!!!!!!! Geez it’s no wonder Linkara decided to boycott Spider man comics until they retcon One More Day out of existence!!!!!!

Peter still remembers that event

Which is weird considering almost every single piece of media attempts pairing the "leading man and lady" by the end of the run time, even if the paring makes no sense and the two characters have zero chemistry. (Cough) Steve and Sharon (cough)

Same here, if they both show up in the modern Sonic games. I would lose my mind

Bunn was awesome

Nicole would have a game style different, maybe to "Hack" Zones using some kind of platforming retro-style, or futurist

Sadly, it would require them getting the characters back after loosing their copyright.

@@ruandalserept According to this vid, those specific characters aren't actually included in the copyright. Sega lost some stuff, but none of the core freedom fighters. They aren't used because Sega Japan dislikes what the Americans came up with (or so it's assumed).

Mickey: Did i hear the sound of capitalism?

@@dragondelsur5156 no. Its the sound of your failing company, mickey.

It's ok. Disney is in emergency mode and is hemorrhaging money

Omg how would people react if Disney bought Sega? I’m really curious lmao

Brandon Williams Well it would enrage every fan. If they wanted to go further beyond and buy PlayStation,Xbox and Nintendo as well, it would cause World War 3 to happen

At least Vector outside of Free Riders was barely ever badly written even in Boom and TSR was he one of the most on point Characters and Blaze and Cream are properly in luck with being absent so that no one can ruin them.

Well I guess we have now more Sonic?

Wait a minute CREAM AND VECTOR?!?!?

marine....

Please they really be doing Blaze injustice. She's easily the most developed and interesting Sonic character, but they do nothing with her.

Exactly

I be down for that especially if they have her sing lol

though unlike with Sally, Pauline still showed up in Mario vs Donkey Kong games after the first one and did end up playable in Mario Kart Tour

sally should be in sonic frontiers

@@wyzolol hmmm

Just let me know, dude! Thank you!

Pog. I watch both your content and this is like my dream come true.

Hey it’s phantom strider I would love to see you work on a top 10 list together. I hope you’re doing well.

You two would make truly fantastic collaborators!

Bruh, I totally forgot about you Phantom-Strider, I used to watch you all the time!

He just getting ready

@@NoNamex1412 Clearly he's just prepared ahead of time.

@@mitchfletcher2386 ah yes

@@mitchfletcher2386 you know how he his. He gotta go fast

Gotta make the family fast!

ken had a hard on for knuckles i could tell, when i first read the mobius 25 years later saga i kept saying "why are we STILL following knuckles? where's Sonic and his family? Tails? Shadow? Rouge? Amy??" it was quite annoying and the favoritism was hurting.

I'm on my lunch break right now, and I have the graphic novel collection of Sonic Adventure literally right next to me as I found your comment. I knew Ken Penders was involved somehow.

Knuckles: *I'm gonna put some dirt in your eye*

What?

Nahhh Amy learned herself! Remember Sonic Heroes

@@skeetermagee2487 that’s why it’s called *H E A D C A N O N*

@@jennyberger8229 what the heck is a head canon

@@skeetermagee2487 It could be both! Amy always had leadership potential which might even be why Sally might train her and once she left, she really really knew how to lead.

@@skeetermagee2487 it's basically how a person thinks something happened or how it went down,Hence the term Head canon

The problem with SEGA's approach to Sonic is that they've accrued this amazing and dizzyingly large cast of characters, with different shapes, sizes, personas and backgrounds... and they refuse to DO anything with them. They've expanded their world so much, but they insist on keeping it a static one. Shadow's CONSTANTLY a brooding jerk, Amy's ALWAYS chasing Sonic, Tails is PERPETUALLY twelve. There's only so much you can do with characters you don't allow to change.

@@martindovah3810 Most of them have material for spin-off games, they don't have to always be attached to Sonic to exist.

@@dragondelsur5156 Very true. I was pondering last knight on how Boom would've been a great Freedom Fighters game where Sonic maybe makes a cameo or two. The hack n' slash team-based combat would be better suited for them than it was for our cerulean speedster. Rotor's the Support, Bunnie's the Heavy, Antoine is Precision (maybe stealth), and Sally DPS. It would have made so much more sense for all that walking around and stuff.

@@martindovah3810 Supremely long overdue for a Freedom Fighters based video game. So much wasted potential. 😔

@Anonymous Eagle That.... is extremely stupid. There are several characters in the Sonicverse that share similar traits and abilities but they have a limit with inventors?!?

I literally was just thinking of that a while ago! Someone said we don't need Sally in the game continuity because we already have an action princess: Blaze. Why not have both and have a cool friendship between the two! Two cool royal girls from parallel dimensions together at last? Hell yeah!

Sally should never appear in the games continuity. She'd rob so many roles from many other characters that she'll be a flat out black hole mary sue.

@@yungmuney5903 there's a lot to be said of redundancy, no reason not to have multiple characters filling the same roles, you then have the freedom to put some characters in danger without crippling the story too much

I love both of them 😁

Josh Crowell two badass princesses fighting together sounds awesome!

Thank you for the kind words, sir. I've recently been binging your amazing channel (also lowkey jealous that you have the greatest Nick title of any of us Nicks on RU-vid)

Even without the proper ending to that arc and universe, I still imagine that they make it out okay. I guess the romantic in me is going with that since Sally and Sonic were able to reconnect and work through those hardships. I guess it wouldn't have been so bad leaving that universe behind, had we just gotten a decent amount of closure for it's characters. Maybe not all as I'm sure some plot threads would still be left open, but that'd be fine since that universe was always so vast and ever changing that there was no way any sort of stability would remain. And that just goes to show just how alive and fully realized Mobius in the comics really was. That the fight was never going to end, but had they concluded that universe by saving Sally and potentially finishing off Robotnik, then it would indicate that these characters can get through no matter what challenges get thrown their way. But I'm not too upset over it though, since I like to think of it as the case anyway. Sally and everything involving the setting of Mobius (yes especially all the stuff involving Knuckles heritage and family) really did over something even greater than the some of their parts, and I will always remember that legacy fondly.

Cool, I’ve been watching since you started doing the Sonic Speed Readings, cause I love bizarre and occasionally great Sonic comics can be. Thanks for the username compliment. I feel like I’d want to change it to be more original/in line with my content, but I’m in too deep to change it now!

The only problem with that is ken penders owns the rights to the archie characters😩

Derrick Steves I believe it’s mostly the echidna stuff, Lara-Su, and other characters he created while he was writing for Archie.

Her series lasted, like, three issues, and the last issue plot twist was that the Sally followed in the mini-series was actually a disposable robot that gets destroyed at the end. Also it sold like shit.

WAIT, BIG THE CAT AND CHARMY BEE ARE HATED???? WHY THEYRE MY FAVES 🦶🦶🦶🦶🦶🦶 oh well

@@insertunoroginalnamehere6189 Big the Cat is A. Written like Lenny from _Of Mice and Men,_ and B. The character who forces you to play an extremely basic fishing game when what you want to do is run around the level like a coked-up hummingbird. Charmy is every obnoxious over-caffinated child in one.

She’s comic canon… But not game canon.(if you don’t count cameo)

no just no

Lol

XD

See, this is why it works. Amic doesn't have the same ring to it.

It all makes sense.

@@four-en-tee exactly! XD

In a nutshell

oof. So true it hurts. XD

Actually just about any fiction in a nutshell, to be honest.

@@rainshadow1844 At this point, this franchise has become fanfiction.

@@dragondelsur5156 No doubt about that.

Flashback of the pharaoh Robotnik from AOSTH......

@@stormwolf5848 I think the first one that comes to my mind is a fan art piece where he's a stripper. It was funny

Robotnik's thicc ass in AOSTH:

The best kind of R34

Oh god. Ewwwww. The only character I want to see sexualized is IndigoNite0's gijinka version of Boom!Shadow. You'll know why as soon as you see him.

How can she the greatest when she is not wearing anything ?

@@iceman92211does that really matter your acting like those 5 year old sonamy fans who hate sally for the dumbest reasons💀

​​@iceman92211 It does not matter she's an animal animals don't need clothes

Same. The best ship really

What good games?

The original trio, colors and more

Sonic and good games is the most nonsensical fan canon I've ever heard

Or does it make the most sense

Snively to some extent

Not sure about Antoine, but I'm 100% on Bunnie. What could possibly liven up a story better than a cyborg rabbit with a southern accent.

Darkfox Bill He had sone really interesting moments. Just wish they cut back on the French stereotypes.

so does Nicole

Antoine but Sex flipped.

Especially Danny boi.

oh no oh god oh why

Nah mate, when i was 8, I fell for the other kind of bait..

@SuperHankinsBros game grumps.

@@bagelgod946 why waat?

big respect for you. I'm a Sonally shipper ❤️

me whos a sonadow shipper

@@randomdudelol4976 lmao one of my bromance/crack ships

@@randomdudelol4976 I don't mind random ships but that is just plain wierd

Respect. There are way too many disrespectful Sonamy shippers. Glad to find one that’s not. (I’m a sonally shipper)

I subscribed for the Antoine cuck joke

what is the music at 33:45? Anyone know?

For some reason reading it made me laugh even more.

@@jet100a what you askin me for?

@@SXR123_YT lots of likes, people are bound to click on your comment and see my comment and they might know

Can’t, she goes against sjw feminist. A strong woman, who will have children and marries a man. Sally isn’t a Mary Sue or a captain marvel.

The reason is actually well outlined in the video: Introducing her would, in a lot of very significant ways, take focus away from Sonic. I mean, I understand that they're already doing that with Original the Character, but that isn't really the point. It also doesn't help that there are probably actually more than two worlds: The Classic World and the Adventure World are two for certain, but you look then at everything that came after Unleashed and it's all kind of a jumbled mess of different canons.

@@PhycoKrusk But at the same time, they want to focus on the world and characters...without focusing on the world and characters as outlined in the video. Sonic stories besides the general "Sonic takes down robotnik" of classic/classic-esque games want to give some attention to the world of sonic at large, want the characters to be more of what they are...but at the last second you just move away from all of that.

@@vcom741 Because the last time they tried fleshing out Sonic's world, the gaming community collectively shat on them for it. You'd be surprised by the amount of people who don't want Sonic to be anything more than him just fighting Eggman forever and nothing else, and Sega not wanting anymore backlash is doing just that.

@@sonic5993 Suppose I wanted to start to paint. My first attempt would be crap. And people will let me know its crap. Hell I'd know its crap. Doesn't mean I should stop

32:27 Oh boy.. 😆

7:09

Well the thing is that it looks awkward and embarrassing and it would be hard to take females seriously when they have big exposed breasts

Why would you be invested in a video about a squirrel with no clothes ?

he killed the boy😭💀

"Follow your heart, kid. And you'll never go wrong." :3

That’s just what they want you to think.

They become a part of you

DAMN RIGHT

But sonic IS a legend lol.

I love sonally

Same here.

Me too.

@PurpleOwlAnimation okey

I kinda liked the later stages of the archie comics where she was established more like an old flame/ ex that just became a very close friend even as he started dating Amy

Ya

Same here

Male and female: interact Shippers: *I can milk you*

@@ShibuNub3305 so true

edge lord indeed.😂 It’s the hard knock life for us

i thought you were the edge lord that comments on almost every sonic related video.

I ship Sonic and Tails

yes, bunnie

Antoine gets to be fairly badass as time moves forward.

coma is a woman?

@@Gelgoog 🅱️ruh

@@martindovah3810 game theory: Post super genesis wave is actually all a coma dream by twan

Some of the sonamy fans hate her to shed be a good friend

I hate her a bit due canon but .... not rabbid hate. Just took me a little more to understand until start to read more in deep and understand how she was written.... AND THEN get destroy by Penders drama.

I don’t hate Sally, I HATE how everyone compares any female character, preexisting or new, to Sally.

​@@phantomsanic3604 I agree, to me Sally and the rest of the freedom fighters by that matter, I always felt over-hyped by people and I didn't understand why. I didn't grow up with the cartoon nor read the Archie comics until it got cancelled in 2017 so I didn't have any nostalgia for them, having read all of Archie comics run on sonic three times now I can say that... Sally isn't that great, she is a good character but I was never really interested in her like I was with other characters, Bunnie and Antoine are to me the best characters amongst the original freedom fighters which makes me kind of sad that most people don't talk or give a damn about Antoine, people usually talk about bring Sally or Nicole or Bunnie back but my boi Antoine gets forgotten ( I understand leaving Rotor behind as he is very forgetful and kind of useless now) While I like Sonamy I'm not obsessed about it and I tend to stay away from shipping. I have seen people be so aggressive about the Archie comics and how it should be brought back as the definitive canon that honestly gave me a sour taste to the comics, not to mention that Penders fucked up so much that cool concepts will never be explored. I recommend reading the IDW comics as they are genuinely good but I understand if people that grew up with Archie or the cartoon might not like it

She deserves the hate for destroying the consistency of the girls

Y e s.

N O.

This comment is made me laugh a lot. *It needs more likes*

Among others.

Furry

True

You ever seen an old dog or cat? I guess it's the fur that covers it, but by and large they don't really age in an obvious way compared to humans... (or maybe we just can't spot the signs of age as easily...)

@@KuraIthys Uncle Chuck exists, so I thought Sonic would slowly resemble him more as he aged, maybe even growing a stache or something.

Copperlock maybe tweaking his quils and give him slight eye wrinkles and a slightly pale blue would do it

I think that's the fault of Mobian's/their anthros' design. It's difficult to show their characters in different age groups expect for slight tweaking in height and adding things like wrinkles or gray hair/fur.

@REDBlurr also Bunnie Rabbot appears in the same panel as the other picture on the left of the Sally one

@@lenag2002 What comic, issue number?

@@Ether101_Prime it’s the sonic forces digital comic that was released on the sonic twitter and tumblr pages it was a 4 part mini series

@@lenag2002 You need to be more precise then that.

​@@Ether101_Prime its in the 2nd issue of that Sonic Forces Comic, "Looming Shadow", page two in the panel with Rouge. It's unmistakably them!

Amen

Kirby has to be safe right.... Right?

@@targettoad691 Kirby is just one big mouth hole

@@targettoad691 No I'm sorry little one.

@@targettoad691 There's some piece of art that shows meta knight getting Kirby *pregnant* What has this world come to.

Rule 34

I know honestly- sally got me into sonic. When they broke up I was like wtf 🤬

​@@lynstrawberry5645all that forced romantic drama on Archie was really weird to me, not to mention the "Slap" but if I have to give them credit on one thing, the relationship between Antoine and Bunnie was the best one in the comic. I feel that we are never gonna see the freedom fighters again, force's was the perfect and only way to introduce them into the games but now the time has passed, they could be brought back but they would suffer major changes to fit into whatever game they were to be introduced. Sally would suffer the most changes and Rotor surprisingly would need the least (probably because he was the least developed or focused on)

agreed! though Sally isn't a favorite of mine (i've never read the comics so there's no way for me to have a good opinion on her) she's definitely a great character, her being in the games isn't really possible (since she's not by SEGA of Japan) but her being in IDW has a big chance and off topic, i kinda disagree with how Amy in Sonic Boom is the best version of her, she seemed too rude and arrogant most of the time and her crush on Sonic didn't feel like one (though it was cute in a few instances like when he delivered her a meal) she was missing her sweet and childish demeanor and personality from the modern games, i hope they add that in IDW in the future

Never been a huge Amy fan. I miss Sally. As the Archie comics went on, she brought out the best in Sonic. It was because of her, I feel, that his character became more mature and less into himself. It's because of Sally that I generally find strong female protagonists more interesting than dudes (if well-written, that is).

@@aaronsarchive82 Sally is a perfect example of a good female MC, i'd say Amy is too (currently, not in the 2000s-2010s , she's not "bad" but she's not written to be like a protagonist and served more as a supporting character, hence her childish nature) but that's just me loving her and relating to Amy

@@candy_ribbons I think I should re-phrase myself. I do like Amy as a character, especially in the comics, but I still feel like she has a lot of untapped potential, especially when it comes to romantic relationships. Sally felt like a full character to me, but Amy just seems undeveloped. She has a bigger chance to shine now, so maybe we'll see more of it in the comics now. (I haven't watch much of Sonic Boom so idk how different her character is there.)

Aaron Reese the problem I feel is that SEGA just didn't see her as anything besides "Sonic's annoying 'girlfriend'" in the Adventure and Modern era and currently, it feels like they just don't know what to do with her so they can please her sad haters that begged them to make her mature, I really do agree she's really underdeveloped and she has so much potential to be considered a much more important character As for her in Sonic Boom, she's just an arrogant and bossy copy of Sally at least in the tv show, in the games she's fine but nothing special

Exactly and not an brat like amy in my opinion😩

Well I like both Amy and Sally cus Amy is like that anime girl who has a crush on u and I feel like on the most recent comics they made her a little less how do u say..........OBSESSED and Sally is that concentrated girl dealing with those problems but still has a girly side

@@implimentsomethinghereloli8690 yeah but amy being less obsessed doesn't make an difference she's just getting Sally's character traits, you can tell and amy is an yandre not like an fake anime girl, plus how many fucking times has she threatened sonic it's childish and selfish and that's why i hate her character and always will!😡

@@implimentsomethinghereloli8690 Amy in the current comics is a borings Mary Sue version of Sally. She's ain't cheerful and optimistic like she was back then which is what her character is MEANT to be. IDW Amy is Sally without the character development

Best female SEGA/Archie character's 1. Blaze 2. Sally 3. Nicole 4. Rouge 5. Tangle 6. Whisper 7. Bunnie 8. Wave 9. Cream 10. Tikal 11. Sticks 12. Boom Amy(she's cool)

To be fair, I almost went back and edited in some Black Knight jokes, but I was too damn tired :P

@@GameApologist do you prefer chicken or turkey on a sandwich.

@Inky The Fox YT 🤣🤣

@@skimbeeble8115 Either one works for me, but why?

@Inky The Fox YT You're not you when you're hungry, have a Snickers

Later that day: *strange face-hugger like creature discovered*

The catch? Sega are still dumb

Makoto Yuki they always have been

Joshua Pacman is this the part when I get shot?

Makoto Yuki give me bobux

Indeed. Though I shall say that Chao video made me very happy

Hey life is nuts, I get it! Thanks for watching!!

@@GameApologist just glad to be here!

Don't forget billehbawb too though

You shouldn’t respect this character because she destroyed the consistency of the girls

This comment got a mighty chuckle from me.

damn, you won the internet dude!

HELL YEAH!!!

*You!* Keep talking...

alright man, you get a sub from me. this comment is *GOLD*

Exactly sonally was an awesome ship👍😎

@FortyFore you should read the comics early on Sally's character isn't the best(still an improvement on amy) but later on she became an really developed character

@Long-Tailed Charmander he's with her in the comics because his character is more deeper and developed than just sonic wanting freedom and running and he even told sally i guess i can slow down for you

@FortyFore your welcome bro😁✌

@Long-Tailed Charmander Because he has more friends with different personalities to bounce off of.

Agreed.

That’s cool

Agreed 💯%

Well said my friend 👊🏾👊🏾

he was creepy I never liked him

@@thisname1071 Neither did I. He's property of Ken Penders now, so he can't be used again, but... no great loss.

Geoffrey St. John, I think he was called? 🤔

He did get improved later in the comics, but his early appearances were rough.

@@thisname1071especially when Penders admit that he wanted Geoff to take Sally’s virginity before Sonic could?! And she was 14/15 at the time!!! Even worse, he finally got his Lara-su book out (sort of) and he doubled down on it!!!

Not gonna happen, but it’ll be amazing. Sonic Forces had a very good chance at introducing The Freedom Fighters to the video games canon, even if it’s understand a different origin. It’s not too different- maybe you play as Sally instead of the Custom Made character. Or instead- just take out classic sonic.

@@TGM_Productions Any chance to cut Classic Sonic off the series, i take it.

Dude, I had a hypothetical game called *Mobius* I was working on!

Nice-

@@dragondelsur5156 unfortunately we will most likely see classic Sonic again for the 30th anniversary and hopefully he'll get his own game instead of interfering with modern Sonics game

I hated it so much when they started to make new characters like tangle wishper and other They are good characters but let's agree that surge is more like a female version of scourge

Wait why aren’t Mighty and Ray allowed in IDW?

@@acemagalor2519 Because of how Archie wrote them both

@@somebudy150 actually both surge and scourge are inspired by ashura

Well it's better like that, maybe the IDW will be the first canon comics, since Sega Japan is actively following its creation to bé sure not to restarting a waste like how Archie ended up to be (it was good at the start, and then went to a fucking garbage) or how Fleetway comics were (please, they didn't even followed some basic rules of Sonic universe)

Exactly

As a Sonic fan, I think both Amy and Sally are great.

@Ai7A Agreed, brotha!

Like maybe shadow. (Not current shadow of course)

@@iananderson4754 Absolutely! And yeah, Amy's too young for a relationship with *anyone* right now if you ask me.

Except the Japanese actually gave the bat clothes instead of just exposing her whole body like the way the Americans did

​​​@@iceman92211 "there's actually been rumours that rouge's cleavage got exposed but eventually it got censored. *what a price to pay* " - guptill89

@@wolfenden9805 what are you talking about ?

@@iceman92211 top ten hottest female sonic characters ? I was quoting the iconic quote

@@wolfenden9805 please don’t make a reference to that terrible video especially on a video about Sally of all things

Bro don't do this too me

@JustVictor 17 I think I missed something.

@JustVictor 17 Yes, you need.

lmao

Oh my god I'm not the only one who thinks he looks like Ben Ten?

Same.

Yep!

Oh yeah she has the potential for destroying the consistency of the girls with her lack of clothing

How on earth did you cry from watching a video about an anthropomorphic squirrel with no clothes ? Like you must be furry fan if this makes you cry

THAT IS AWESOME!!

Keep doing God's work

Servant of the lord right here

I should...see myself out...

Not all heroes wear capes

This person understands me

Also the fact that Amy is literally 12 and it would be creepy for Sonic to like her

@@blaiseplayz6740 well sonic is only 3 years older then Amy and 1 year older then Sally

@@blaiseplayz6740 also its been a while since sa2 so they would be much older maybe even early adults

Sally could have an Energy system and use the Elemental Shields as her ability, like Tails' Flight or Mighty's Ground Slam.

I know right all I ever thought about was how Amy deserved better and she should let him go and focus on what she want besides being with sonic. I wanted her have a little self respect she was crazy for him and he just put her aside, and I always felt bad because her actions were really sad.

@@dianeramsey3717 they didnt even show her in the future arc

@@mizv4043 I know its too bad though sally had so much potential but now I guess all we'll have for now is the memory of our favorite strong female protagonist

In the comics, I do think Amy should've moved on since Sonic's heart obviously belonged to Sally. But in the other canons, I think she could have something with him. I think overtime, their relationship has become much healthier as he doesn't actively avoid her like he used to.

@@uniquethoughts95 Still, its ashame her entire existence is to be the fan girl for Sonic. Sally herself had a lot going on outside of Sonic. I can't accept SonicXAmy at this point till the creators actually let Amy be her own person outside of Sonic, like Sally, while also allowing Sally to exist alongside Amy. If someone really wants Sonamy to happen, do the work and don't disrespect Sally for being around first. (They did use Sally's name to promote Amy in Sonic CD's manual)

Oh thank gos- WHAT IS KEN DOING NOW?

@@walkerphillips2818 making weird fetish art and NFTs

God, that skunk was a bastard in the comics

@@rivaraptor4277My god, he was man, I remember that he was way older the Sally like in his thirties or something.

​​@@giuliamelomessina2750 Write Like This:-"i remember he was Way older than Sally"!

@SuperStarGalaxy 127 Yes it is sad, Sonally is a healthy relationship, mainly because both Sonic and Sally help each other grow...unlike Sonamy...

Same here!

Wait, she appears in the IDW comics? Which issue? Never heard about that!

@@Nova-Solaris The Forces comic and it's not even a full apperance, it's a very easy to miss easter egg.

Unleashed was a failure by IGN standards? We need to go "back to our roots" when Sonic was "cartoony".

Sonic Free Riders used Kinect? No more Riders games.

Sega and Sonic Team rejected Sega Technical Institute's Super Mario 64 gameplay formula before Sonic Adventure series came out.

I mean Sonic Twist as cancelled Sonic game.

That's Sega for you throwing ideas around like darts on to a dartboard until one of them sticks and they stay with it.

Me too, I was first introduced to Sonic through Sonic X when I was about 8 or 9 and I thought Sonamy was the main ship and I didn’t like Sally because of it and never got to know her character. But after getting back into the fandom more recently I wasn’t as big on Sonamy so I finally had a chance to look at Sally without being all ‘I don’t like her because she ruined the ship’ and I learned a bit about her character, personality, ect. I started thinking about her character for the past week or so and found that I quite enjoy her character. I am a little sad it took me this long to actually look at her character.

Wait people actually thought Sally was a Mary Sue? Bruh...

But Amy _wants_ Sonic.

@@johnathanegbert9277 this is true! I can’t remember whether Sally was so passionate about Sonic.

I dislike the fact Amy is like a spoiled teen where if she doesn’t get her way AKA being with sonic she “throws a fit” or “makes sonic so uncomfortable when he talks about sally that he has to say he loves her cause he’s afraid of her and her hammer

@@therainbowdiamond9344 Honestly as a huge fan of Amy who genially wanted her to get together with Sonic, got to say, kid me was not a fan with how Archie treated Amy as character. Sometimes It felt like they took her worse traits and diled it up to 12. She did get better as time went on but I think kid me was to butt hurt over the fact that Sonic was banging the chipmunk and not the pink hedgehog to care.

​@@xavierrivera3407I can agree with you but I don't have the nostalgia for Satam or Archie comics so that may be a part of it. I knew Amy for far longer than Sally and I grew up playing Unleashed, so I always saw her as a major player for the cast (also thought she and sonic were in a more serious relationship than the two actually were, kid me saw them as couple instead of good friends) Sally is a good character but I never gravitated towards her like I did for Antoine or Bunnie and that's after having reread the Archie comics twice by now

Ah nice another Chronicles fan

@@gamercore5216 gameplay in that game is rough but I like the story and characterisation

*I haven't heard that name in years*

I miss Shade and Sally, Tails... I miss her a lot.. I'll be back

Most of the characters are somewhat naked. Plus, most of them are animals with fur. I hate how male characters get this kind of design pass.

*insert lame joke about chipmunks and nuts*

I think part of it is that we're already used to all the female characters wearing clothes: Amy, Blaze, Cream, Rouge, etc. Sally not wearing clothes is fine from a cartoon point of view, but when you compare Sally to all the other female characters in the series (even though Sally was a really early one), it makes sense that modern fans would be weirded out by it.

In this world, as long as they are wearing gloves and shoes, it’s fine. Everything else is optional.

I have two ways of interpret that: First: the Mobians fur is enough to cover "that we know" (Just as Tom & Jerry) Second: The male Mobians have clothes that are same to their fur color and patron (ill skip Shadow)(Just like in cartoons like Pink Panther or Looney Tunes) and Sally feels more comfortable with that clothes

Yeah, she has a ton of potential as a game character too.

yeah dud

They also stripped Sally of her cheek fur. This is due to the fact that in the games all female characters do not have fur on their cheeks, only male ones have it. I don't know what this design decision of Sega is connected with, but for me it's very strange.

I think she looks better in a full outfit, very sleek. Maybe they don't have anything to hide but maybe the girls just like fashion more than the male characters. Feminine attire just has so much more accessories to play with that's why I love Blaze's and Rouge's design so much, a heart shaped bust is perfect for someone as flirtatious as Rouge, a flowy robe is perfect for someone as timid and cosmic as Blaze. Keeping Sally's vest and adding a general "hiker" look is great for someone as strong and heroic as Sally.

I do like her new clothing though. I think it makes her character stand out, and show her personality, like she is a strong and likes-adventzres-type female character.

Wait you have problems with her having clothes rather than her being completely exposed ? Is this some opposite day to you ?

​@@iceman92211At its core, it's a want to have the male and female characters treated similarly. Since clothing is optional for the dudes, but natural question is "why not for the girls?"

As someone who's only watched SatAM just recently, she's easily my favorite in that show.

I just read the comics and to this day I still remember Sally.

@randy s For me, AoStH is more like a "so bad, it's good" sort of thing. Like, it's so stupid and bonkers that i can't help but find it entertaining. But yeah, the Saturday morning cartoon was better.

Good highlight to point out! I was a grade schooler when SatAM came out, and while I wasn't exactly shocked at the idea of Sonic having a girlfriend, I do look back now and realize that SO many of the cartoons made back then always reverted to the status quo at the end of each episode, which usually included having no more romance than a simple "Will they/won't they?" dynamic between the lead guy and gal. A series where the two leads straight up kiss in a season one episode in celebration of a successful mission? Honestly pretty fresh for its time. And yes, it was made all the better by the fact that their relationship is treated well in the series, highlighting how they compliment one another in spite of their differences, and depicted as a positive in both of their lives. It really was more effort put in than I initially recalled; might have to go back and check out my DVDs to remind myself.

I agree IDW Amy is just a boring Mary Sue version of Sally minus the character development. We need her Archie personality back

@@donathan2933 Amy in IDW isn't a mary-sue. You can criticize her character portrayal and execution (I have a few of my own reservations), but to say she's a mary-sue verison of Sally isn't accurate and imo, very ridiculous.

Amy in the games hasn't been like her 2000's version since Sonic Boom became a thing tbh, even in Sonic Mania Adventures she's not portrayed as a crazy fangirl, just flirty. I really hope they keep her character this way, but they have to do something with her in the first place.

@@stupidstar4265 Her personality in Archie after Ian took over was the best she's had. She kept her fangirling, but it didn't dominate her character, she could banter with Sonic just as much as she could flirt. Ever since Boom she's been far more sarcastic which honestly doesn't fit her at all. Luckily that's only Pontaff's terrible writing, as the Japanese version still keeps her character in tact.

@@stupidstar4265 meh her character now is boring

And that's why Sega as a whole had been going downhill since the Genesis era.

@@ligtningdog6399 Absolutely. The Japanese division was always jealous of the success of the North American one due to their savy marketing team and HARDCORE fanbase. They did a lot to SPITE the NA SEGA even though they should have been helping them, and this hatred could still be seen in games like Phantasy Star Universe where the NA fanbase constantly got shafted for new content and a brisk update schedule. Personally I don't believe the things they said about not having an ecosystem for PSO2 in 2012, I am convinced they got irritated at the fan demand and got insulted when they invaded the JP servers and made fan translations. They also knew the Sega Saturn was being made but allowed the NA branch to pursue the development of the 32X instead of cluing them in. It's really a sad history. Sega used to be amazing and trying hard to push the envelope but they fell to their own hubris. Something that I feel is long past due for a certain other Japanese game company...

millgiass Sony? Because if you mean Nintendo, they’ve already suffered from their own hubris during the Wii U era.

They demanded authority, while not understanding the IP's success came in mostly from it's western influences.

@@Popcultureguy3000 well at least Nintendo got their shit together and made up for the trash Wii U by making the best selling Nintendo Switch

Isn't Sonic a bit more like Naruto than Sasuke? If anything Shadow mirrors Sasuke.

@@chosenmibhar But Sakura is the same fangirling useless immature girl as Amy and she only fawned over Sasuke even if they didn't really match well

Amy is not nearly as useless as Sakura. She literally saved Sonic several times and can hold her own in a fight. And last I checked, Sonic never tried to kill Amy.

@@uniquethoughts95 her saving sonic is only in the more recent history. She isn't completely useless beforehand, but she never really added very much to the story/games she was a part of. Amy was just a token girl character. And alot of Amy's more recent developement is even because of Sally. They put her in Sally's shoes and gave her more of Sally's personality. I really do thing Amy and sonic do have the *chemistry* of sakura and sasuke. Which is a sad exchange when you look at what we had/could have with Sally and sonic.

@@fireemberess She saved Sonic in the SA2 and 06, so no it's not just in recent times. She was the reason Gamma (the robot from SA1), Shadow, and Silver decided to turn good. It's not because of Sally. Amy has done great things on her own. Why is it so hard for people to give her credit? Either way, Amy has a way healthier relationship with Sonic than Sakura does with Sasuke in my opinion. SEGA clearly saw something good in her character.

Better than sonamy and honestly scourge was my favorite character

I agree, That's why I think Nicole / Sally is better!

@@kellodrawsalotkello7058 lol. I ain't into that either, but to each their own. I'd prefer if she was just single.

@@kellodrawsalotkello7058 that ship doesn't make sense to me

@@hfrrrrreer6197 Oh okay,? everyone has a different taste in ship lol

My honest opinion: Let the IDW comics be their own thing and never mind with characters like Sally and the Freedom Fighters. However, it has been established that Sonic has multiple continuities, and every one of those timelines have interesting characters. SatAM and Archie comics had Sally and the Freedom Fighters. Sonic X had Chris Thorndyke and Cosmo. Sonic Boom had Sticks the Badger. Fleetway comics had Porker Lewis, Johnny Lightfoot, Shortfuse the Cybernik and Tekno the Canary. IDW has Tangle and Whisper. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Now... imagine a timeline where ALL of those characters existed! If those stories were competently done, it could be amazing!

@@FuryanJedi13 I agree with this head on.

And now we have Ian. A competent writer

@@bradleydrake6941 yeah, the writer that made Sally a dumb and useless character

@@FuryanJedi13 I would like to see Sally and the Freedom Fighters get a new version of storytelling in IDW tho, in the way that is compatible with the current Sonic core games and media, since indeed the Archie comic story was more like its own thing. But still, Sally and others need more spotlights. If we just keep them in the original story, they would never gain the actual respect and spotlights that other main game cast have.

Wow a girl loves a girl with no clothes like this one who is destroying the consistency of the girls in the franchise

When they confirmed that?

Forces, though it wasn't stated directly in game but interviews about it.

@@johnoz2284 Sonic Mania and Sonic Forces. Mania is more of an implication rather than a straight-up confirmation, as it shows Classic Sonic in a situation Modern Sonic was never in; Forces, however, pretty much just tells us, as Tails calls Classic Sonic the Sonic from "that other dimension" rather than the Sonic from the past.

@@jomogaming2 Ooooo ok yea that makes sense

Sonic forces is a load of bullshit.

Fr. Between Sally and Amy. Over characters who's dynamic are fundamentally different. Sally was already shipped comic-wise. Amy can shipped, because she's the only one available games-wise.

Lmao its a sad fact, however what if I told you their are actually level headed shippers...idk who they are cause i stay away from toxic places on the internet but damn its a lonely existence

You can honestly apply that with most fandom given enough time before it festers and grow way outside it’s control

*Shivers* Dear god...

Wait, that is the only thing u dislike about the Sonic fandom?

*....WHAT?!?!*

@@HotFootBunny it was in one of the first year (I think?) of Archie. They said they were going to sell swimsuit pics, but Sally cuts up the camera film.

@@LuceoX30 I remember that 🤣 I have that issue around here somewhere

@@TripleT706 there was even a JoJo's reference next to Fist of the North Star.

@@LuceoX30 That's it. I'm digging out my Archie Sonic collection and re-reading it starting this weekend lol.

I like the graphic novel idea and heck I would be down to seeing Satam be given a proper ending in like a movie but... It doesn't feel right anymore, I don't trust anyone other than the late Ben Hurst to do it as he had a plan of how it would end... Fuck Ken Penders honestly

Why do you want a female character with no clothes?

Your videos are really good. Game Apologist is a good example of a RU-vidr to be inspired by so good choice. If my opinion matters at all, people should check out your videos as for such a new RU-vidr, the quality is off the wall and who doesn't need more Sonic in their lives?

It's sad we never got an season 3😩

Derrick Steves Indeed, the guy behind the show had plans for a third season but it never happened. Very unfortunate.

I subbed. Your content is really good!

Spidey fan Thanks man, I appreciate that!

Funny because Archie was to Sonic as IDW was to Transformers

@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 Also, she's (in a metaphorical sense) kinda like a pocket Optimus Prime, just without the "reincarnation of a god" backstory.

@@pancho855 Fuck Aligned for that, especially because it forced a completely different origin story onto the IDW comics, along with all the weird tie-ins to Prime Wars.

@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 Hey, Transformers PRIME was my G1. And i appreciate how imaginative Hasbro got exploring the origins of the shape-shifting mechanical aliens we all know since their debut in the early 80's, and my first ever contact with the franchise was with "animated" but i didn't really know what was going on.

@@pancho855 I said Prime Wars, the Machinima show and toyline, not Prime. But having Prime art style characters with G1 characters WAS pretty jarring. I like their lore too, to a degree, don't like how they stripped away Unicron from the Fallen and some of the Primes seem weird, but otherwise the Covenant is inoffensive. The problem is that IDW had a different origin story for their Cybertronians so they slapdashed a way of incorporating the Thirteen. IMO I think Prime is kinda mediocre too.

Amen

It could go well if the did a Sonic RPG

Agreed Sally was cool.

@@kijanajenkins2546 Amen to that brother

@@tsiefhtes Now there's an interesting idea. I think they did something like that once already though. And he didn't exactly do so well. But hey, if at first you don't succeed try try again.

Pure facts. I like SonAmy but Sonally was a better choice

I love it as well.

Sonally was good... But Antoine and Bunnie were superior in my opinion

She’s not wearing clothes so she is terrible

Cue the One-Winged Robian.

@@smashmaster521 Sally fans:"Noli manere, manere in memoria! Noli manere, manere in memoria! Sally Acorn!" (Translation for people who aren't fluent in dead languages:"Do not remain, remain in memory! Do not remain, remain in memory!")

@@masterbison8957 Oh my god, I was kidding.

@@smashmaster521 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Jd8UjWmDqho.html

Oh, well! It doesn't matter! Life's too short to live it with regrets... Or whatever it is the blue rat would say.