Prismatic Proves Old Subclasses Need Buffs 

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"replace 3 shot goldie with 6 shot goldie" Ok officer arrest this man and put him in the physch ward. He shouldve said blade barrage

The worst thing about the MIDA-multitool is that it has troll smashing capabilities but we only have ogres to shoot at.

I think the largest issue at its core was pulling aspects from other classes wholesale instead of creating distinct versions of them like they did with fragments

Bungie: We hear you, we’ll be nerfing prismatic titan.

I understand the transcendence change, but if the rest of changes were implemented I’d never touch prismatic. Having a class with all of the worst abilities… why would anyone use it? Niche abilities is what it’s meant for, but bad abilities that don’t synergies would just feel bad

While I somewhat agree with the sentiment, I respectfully disagree with most of the subclass related changes you suggest. Speaking strictly from a PvE standpoint: Making Transcendence harder to get is... fine but if it were to to be only when your super were active would severely impact the gameplay loop of prismatic and make it feel terrible. Buffing prismatic to compensate would just make the problem worse as, seeing how powerful it is right now would only work to make powercreep worse Prismatic Hunter: 3 shot Goldie is NOT soloing the witness, That's celestial nighthawk and Still Hunt doing most of the work (which got nerfed recently) Changing the prismatic super to 6 shot Goldie would basically put in the same spot as Stormtrance on prismatic warlock. It would be completely unused. The changes to mono subclasses you mention are fine but honestly wouldn't move the needle too much. Arcstrider is currently completely overshadowed by Pris Hunter so changing combo blow to disorienting blow seems like a valid change, but this comes with the problem of making winter's shroud obsolete (least used aspect on stasis hunter in PvE) Prismatic Warlock: The reason people play Voidwalker is not for cataclysm nova, it's for devour. (or blink :) ) What makes cataclysm so strong on Pris Warlock is the Star-eater on your exotic class item. The best DPS on mono warlock is Needle storm with evolution and ascent. What makes Pris Warlock basically negate Voidwalker is the fact that it does devour better, which i guess could be brought in line by making Feed the Void only as strong as devour on titans and hunters. Stormcaller isn't as bad as people say it is. Sure the supers need help but it is the most ability spam subclass without exotics on warlock. Vesper is a GM level build and Fallen Sunstar is very noticeably potent. The strongest aspect on Stormcaller is Electrostatic mind which enables the ability spam, NOT Lightning surge which was considered the weakest until prismatic gave it devour and Synthos from the class item. Arc souls do not need significant buffs, its 50% of the reason Getaway artist is the meta build on warlock right now and it's what makes the Vesper build GM viable. Sure you could buff the damage slightly on the mono subclass but giving it jolting explosions would be too much. Prismatic Titan: Adding into the fray would be fine if it weren't for knockout existing. Each of the Prismatic Kits has 1 aspect for sustain, Feed the Void, Stylish Executioner and Knockout. Adding into the fray would be redundant since it would be a less potent version of knockout since it requires you to have tangles, (making it work with any elemental pickup would be busted) and make it dead on arrival. Class Items: Having the exotics only have the weakest part of their host exotics would completely negate the point of them in the first place. The "spirit" of the exotic is to add a bit of the core gameplay loop of their originals. The example of Spirit of Star-Eaters is actually a good argument against this. its the ONLY way a warlock or titan can keep their burst supers in competition with Celestial or Star-Eaters on Hunters. Overall, while I agree that mono subclasses shouldn't be left behind I feel you should take a step back and look at how the individual aspects of the subclass work with each other before coming to conclusions of what needs to be changed. Nerfing, buffing and swapping things individually might seem fine, until you take a step back. The problems with prismatic and mono subclasses are more nuanced than nerfs and buffs and come down to the main design philosophy behind them which has its problems, Prismatic titans being a great example.

what reason is there to run non-prismatic classes? fun, that’s the reason prismatic can’t use heat rises, prismatic can’t use blade barrage, prismatic can’t shatter skate, prismatic can’t give all the homies a lil arc buddy deal breaker, i wanna play like an absolute goblin and if that means playing suboptimally then so be it

Bungie said themselves they wanted Prismatic to feel broken

I still make frequent use of non-Prismatic classes on my hunter. Prismatic doesn't give me double grapples or shackle grenades that reload my weapons on use like Strand does. Prismatic doesn't give me healing grenades to assist my allies with and a strong damage and ad clear super that I can get back up in a matter of seconds with the right setup (blade barrage + shards) like Solar does. Prismatic doesn't give me incredibly high invis up time without the need of a kill like Void does (and it can be helpful in harder content like GMs to be able to go invis at will rather than needing a weak enemy neaby to proc invis off of, which isn't always available). So there are plenty of answers to the question, "Why not prismatic?" These are all builds I still rotate between depending on what I'm doing, alongside my prismatic builds.

Players have been complaining about feeling weak for years. Don’t nerf prismatic. Buff the other subclasses.

As one of the only eternal warrior titan players, i wholeheartedly agree with swapping thundercrash for fists of havoc on prismatic.

If they just bumped the fragment slots on the original 5, it would close the gap a lot. The only thing stopping me from continuing to main Voidlock is that I can even have serviceability. Or I can have maximum purple goo. I don’t want prismatic nerfed. Prismatic feels good. GMs being dangerous but able to be completed in 12 to 25 minutes with a solid team feels good. I want the other classes brought up.

Arc has been underperforming for a long time it’s in desperate need of a buff (Base arc Not Prismatic)

I know this would be a very hot take, but I had the idea of Prismatic being the only subclass (let it access ALL of the other subclass abilities for a given class). HOWEVER! Make it where the overall power of the abilities is weaker (like how exotic class items use only portions of other exotic functions). The only way to restore abilities to FULL functionality for an element is to equip all one type of ability element (like healing grenades only Curex1 until you use ALL Solar abilities, giving it restoration and whatnot). This way, Prismatic is a weaker Swiss Army knife while keeping "monochromatic subclasses" as the way to make a particular element shine.

Transcendence for every subclass each one has their own unique grenade and can only be charged with the element of your subclass

Everything I completely agree with but a point that stood out to me with the old Exotic weapons was the lord of wolves buffing shotguns as well as giving it the spread the fallen captians have. This would probably go insane with the DSC taniks boss with slug shotguns. I'd love to see this exotic get used more because its design is so cool and it gives the fantasy of taking a gun from a defeated enemy.

Just wanted to point out that facet of dominance being -10 discipline while echo of undermining is -20 while also being for only one type of grenade is questionnable. Void is the subclass with the most negative stat-affecting fragment when solar which is far better all-around, also has the most positive stat fragments. Fragment stat balancing should kinda be reviewed for some classes. I'm aware this isn't a big impactful change but i feel like this could help some subclass.

I take issue with one thing. The idea that that "less than optimal is not fun." I contend that optimally doesn't make fun, it just makes it the best. To be fun it must be VIABLE. All the other subclasses are still viable to a degree. Some more so than others to the point where I say those under performers are in desperate need of a buff but I wouldn't say they're not inherently fun, especially when fun is ultimately subjective.

It's a simple fix, it does not require a lot of actual work: Just make the aspects and traits and gameplay of the original classes more specializes and give them more benefit for being that single class. That's all you have to do. PRismatic is fine. Just make the other classes better to use in their unique playstyles.

I didnt expect to see exotic weapon updates, but it was a pleasant surprise. A couple of ideas I have, to expand on the list a bit: Sweet Business - I'd love for this weapon to play into the "heist/payday" thematic, so why not give it a mechanic where redbar kills grant you "Payout" stacks, and then when you kill a major/champion it'd drop a bunch of ammo, based on the stacks you got. each 5 stacks would give one special brick and if you got at least 20, then youd drop heavy as well. It'd turn Sweet Business into a new support weapon, and give warlocks a break from using Cenotaph for a moment. Tesselation - This weapon is so fun, but seems limited to me. I guess it was built to be played with prismatic, but then why is its element locked? I wish this weapon would adapt its element to the grenade you have CURRENTLY CHARGED. So if you get GPG, you can consume it to turn your next nuke shot into scorching solar explosion, or while transcendant you can consume transcendant grenade to make your next nuke shot both blind and sever, etc etc. Traveller's Chosen - Same as above, this seems like the perfect weapon to pair with prismatic. My idea is simple, replace osmosis with a custom built perk, that'd swap weapons element based on the last ability you used. You threw your storm grenade? Its arc. You tossed out penumbral blast? Boom, stasis. Class abilities would give it the element of your super too.

Arc warlock feels super underwhelming compared to every other subclass and it’s honestly really sad

They need a transcendent type ability for example on a solar subclass getting solar/kinetic kills fills up a similar bar but instead of 50/50 it’s 1 bar to fill and you get the same benefits like increased ability energy and a little dmg buff

I remember there being a Vidoc or something where they said there would eventually be "no subclasses," instead you just pick whatever abilities you want. Prismatic feels like a limited version of this, so I've been thinking it's a trial run to see how the community likes it, get some data to see what needs to be buffed/nerfed when used with one another, etc. So either pure subclasses need a buff to their damage outputs, or we need to roll it all into one "Infinite Prismatic" and allow the selection of all abilities and Aspects, plus add in new fragments to add in all the perks that don't yet exist in Prismatic base.

at the very least, strand titan will always have Banner of War, so there's always gonna be a reason to use it

MAYBE they should give the other subclasses inherent passive effects like maybe on Void Devour should be present at all time, maybe Strand Warlocks can generate threadlings at a fixes rate every X seconds, things likr that. Give them a core mechanic that doesnt require an Aspect to work, it is just active by default, while Prismatic would require to actually equip the Aspect to replicate a fraction of their power with the advantage that, of course, prismatic can mix effects

dude amen, they literally said prismatic was gonna be the less used parts and gave us the best of the best, except for titans.

Pris titan needs a buff or different style. All they got is consecration. And maybe thunderclap and frenzy. Besides that i havent seen any other builds for it

I am of the opinion that prismatic was overall not the best choice for the “new subclass” for final shape. This video shows and explains a lot of the reasons for that. I honestly feel like a 3rd darkness subclass, while not carrying the same weight in terms of story, would have been better for the game overall.

I forgot who said it but: "The simpler you make your creation, the richer you can make its inner workings. The more complicated you make something, the more convoluted it becomes." Destiny lacks simplicity for the sake of variety, to the point where everything ends up being the same, things get left by the waste side, and people most people ironically get bored. Prismatic is just one of the examples of the latter.

Whenever I think about Bad Juju I just think of the Rick and Morty Butter Robot meme "What is my purpose" "You're a pule Rifle with Hipfire grip" "Oh My God!"

Man I wish for prospector, that if you hold the grenades on a target then it scorches the target till they ignite, causing all grenades to explode. That would be awesome!

I may have varying degrees of agreement with every point you've made, but the one point I am 100% on-board with is making Riskrunner's perk activate when Amplified, like it's seriously a no-brainer. The whole base concept (at least the way I see it) was that the Arc damage you recieve charges up the gun so it makes perfect sense that you would also charge up the gun while Amplified

An easy change is making the Exotic Class Items usable on all subclasses. I really can’t think of a reason they shouldn’t be, other than Bungie wanting them to help prismatic feel more unique.

The reason why I haven't done Prismatic Warlock yet is because I personally like the gameplay loop of Dawnblade.

I think it'd be a nice 'next season update'. Now that Prismatic exists, there's plenty of good reason for the existing Light and Darkness classes to start overlapping more. It may dilute the 'class fantasy' of each element, but imagine if more of the grenade types were available to more elements, or if a Solar Titan could use Arc Titan's Thruster? Or if certain Exotic Armors became all class, like Ramparts going all class since they're not really all that class focused.

I feel like it's actually pretty easy to buff the other classes to prismatic status. 1) add a "transcendence" to each class that boosts regen of your abilities and gives you that element's buffs for matching weapons (ex: solar transcendence gives you regeneration and solar weapons scorch targets, extra stacks for weapons that already scorch) 2) make elemental buffs more readily available (increase regeneration duration, make invisibility easier to proc, increase dmg reduction for amplified, etc...) 3) just make weapons stronger when they match your elemental class except prismatic (+3 to all weapon stats or something)

I think the problem stems from the fact that the lore is the exact opposite of the ideal in-game state. In lore, it's the pinnacle of mastery that lets you use both light and dark in tandem, in gameplay its trying to be a jack of all trades, master of none; im not surprised it was hard to balance in a way that makes it powerful enough to sell copies yet balanced enough to be fair competitively, its very core idea comes from opposing philososhies

"A jack of all trades is a master of none, but is often-times better than a master of one."

I think a lot of buff percentages and timers could be reduced for prismatic only. Like why is prismatic woven mail the same 45% dr as when I’m on strand?

I would buff the fragment slots on monochromatic classes instead of nerfing slots on prismatic

I will be honest, ONLY REASON I use prismatic is because Arc subclass titan has no Ranged super. I am mostly just dodging with hazardous propulsion. The titan prismatic grenade itself has a chance to Wiff

something i really REALLY hate is that aspects like hellion get 3 slots on Prismatic, but very few aspects get 3 in their actual classes, resulting in Prismatic being much more powerful right off the bat, since they can afford more fragments, some of which, like Protection, Balance and Dawn, being extremely powerful.

Ah, Hollow Knight OST and Mesome's voice go well together. Stay my gamer rage, o muse.

Tbh i never liked the hybrid subclass the fact that it doesn't have a real identity

As a titan, I still feel most comfortable playing Solar over Prismatic. Can't get rid of my bonk hammer. XD haha

After Graviton lance having like 3 catalyst perks, I’m fully convinced Bungie has weird biases for weapons, cause by that logic, ALL exotics should have like 2-3 catalyst perks

Ergo Sum exists, there's no reason Mida Multitool can't be a really cool 'I have a plan to kill everyone I meet' weapon.

Honestly, Prismatic should have never been made into a subclass. "Prismatic" should have just been a blanket update to the whole game that got rid of subclasses altogether, and just gave the player access to ALL the pieces of every subclass to mix-and-match freely. The capacity to pick any ability at any time without restriction.

Crazy idea here, roll everything into prismatic and remove the monos. This would remove the f2p problem and allow you to play whatever play style you want to at any time without having to swap subclasses. There would be problems with it but I don’t think they would be as bad as some of the issues we have now

I've been playing plain strand titan cause prismatic just doesn't feel right, till prismatic titan gets fixed, im back to base subclasses

Personally I think they should buff all the monochromatic classes instead of nerfing prismatic. Also make the class items work on all subclasses. Not sure exactly what needs to be done but I’m pretty much always in favor of buffing then nerfing. Also give me more super options for darkness

I think the only way for this to be fixed is to update other classes with damage or faster charge time like how blade barrage is known with is fast charge time using shards of galanor. But when someone uses prismatic, those buffs from the other classes dont apply when using Prismatic, balancing it out with the same power since release, but far more versatile compared to everything else. But would that change anything in your guys opinion?

1. add *everything* in prismatic. 2. buff the hell out of mono subclasses 3. make prismatic get weaker based on how monochromatic your build is to encourage you to use prismatic “correctly”

Bungie: Feedback heard, buffing hunter and warlock, nerfing all forms of Titan.

This is genuinely a good assortment of ideas, ill add one to the pile too. Aspects on prsm for every class should definetly be the more generalistic ones that give more tunned down playstyles, like titan's consacration switched by that roaring flames that affects ecery melee (triple frenzied blade would trigger an ignition if all melees hit) Or gunpowder gamble for on your mark (gor a more generalistic buff instead of just a nuke) And so on

i noticed this with myself, every time i try to use a certain build, i kinda just find myself going back to prismatic cause of just how much easier it is to get the respective buffs

60% of this video is a bad take. Nerfing prismatic would be a huge L

If, and i cannot stress this enough, IF the nightmare subclass does get made i don't think it should have any part of it in prismatic. I just don't see it fitting because it doesn't work like the other subclasses but i also believe that if it drops it should drop with a bunch of buffs to the regular subclasses that only exist on that subclass not in prismatic but also have certain subclasses have their buffs for that class be in the prismatic, hunter with gunslinger titan with fists and warlock with nova and if you wanna get into it also hunter with strand titan with stasis and warlock with nightmare if it gets added to prismatic or if it gets added at all.

I honestly feel like the Solar Super for hunter should have been blade barrage instead of the golden gun.

I really hope Bungie will approach balancing by buffing parts of other subclasses that aren't in Prismatic

I'd balance it like this: Give every subclass a "transcendence" of their own, and with unique grenades that utilize the tags of each. (I.e. Void grenade that makes void souls, arc grenade that slows and blinds (like the fallen traps), solar grenade that creates a large sunspot (like a molotov), strand grenade that acts as a thrown tangle, and stasis grenade that freezes and shatters.) Remove the need to be prismatic to use the exotic class items, and change the original exotic armor pieces to match their spirit counterpart. (I.e. Caliban only working on proximity knife.)

I think something to consider is the fun factor. For example, as a Titan main I can safely say that Solar and Strand Titan are far stronger than Prismatic. Heck, maybe even Void is better. However, I've almost exclusively used Prismatic since it came out simply because blending the elements together is so much more fun than focusing on just one, even if I'm missing out on power.

Me as a titan person I don't use prismatic because solar is just the best because of the throwing hammer. The only way I would use prismatic more is that they add throwing hammer to prismatic

I personally find destiny most fun when your abilities and sustain is more obtainable. I think the other classes are too slow at getting their abilities and sustain. Prismatic is fine in my opinion but i wish that the other classes could have better access to their abilities

I think it would be interesting if they changed or rotated what supers/abilities/aspects were available in prismatic with each season.

If they didn't nerf most of the exotics into the fucking ground. This would not be an issue!

I think from a narrative standpoint, the ability to transcend for current pay-to-play players makes a lot of sense. We have been around for a while now and we have mastered the ability to use our powers at will regardless of our subclass. Newer players and free-to-play players are new lights, story wise they haven't been through everything a veteran player has. So, no transcending abilities until the pay and start hitting the high-end content, then becoming legend.

I think that they should do it like the helminth system in warframe meaning it still lets you use the strong ability but with nerfed stats

I still maintain that Prismatic Warlock completely killed Stasis Warlock There isnt anything on Stasis worth using that Prismatic didnt also get

An idea I had with Transcendence on all sub-classes, - Make the meter size change based on Light/Dark Sub-class, - - Example: If on Solar, the Light meter is 75% of the total, while Dark is 25%, since all your abilities are Light-based, this'll make it easier to fill the meters. - - Alternatively, Light is 25 - 33%, while Dark is 66 - 75%, requiring more work since your sub-class is lacking Dark alignment, making it harder to fill the meters. I'm also of the mind, buff old sub-classes, for example, - I shouldn't be able to get Diamond Lance in Prismatic faster than Stasis, make them both the same, or, if it HAS TO be a buff/nerf, do this, - - Prismatic Diamond Lance Cooldown: Increased from 7s to 10s - - Stasis Diamond Lance: Decreased from 15s to 7s (Last I checked, it is 2x the cooldown that Prismatic has... pretty sure Tangles are the same/similar... wtf) Remove Fragment slots from Aspects, just make it 6 across the board, worst case, make exceptionally powerful Aspects reduce it by ONE MAX. Maybe remove/re-work some fragments and just apply them by default, like you said, increased projectile tracking on Solar, though you specified for Blade Barrage, I think it'd be best to just make it a constant for each class. A few more specific changes below, Gunpowder gamble, DON'T make it exclusively require Solar, instead, make it require Light abilities, it'll balance out the Transcendence meter since you can get a ton from a single Withering Blade, then throw a big light element bomb to get more. Alternatively, require ONLY Dark abilities, to play more into the concept of Prismatic. Hardlight, Borealis, Dead Messenger, Give them Dragonfly or Chain Reaction(nerfed for Hardlight since it's a primary), and when the element & super match, give them the respective elemental ability, so, - Solar Super + Solar Element = Incandescent, or Firefly - Void = Destabilizing Rounds, or Repulsor Brace - Arc = Voltshot, or Eddy Current - Stasis = Headstone, or Chill Clip(likely nerf Chill Clip for Hardlight if applied) - Strand = Sever, or Hatchling These weapons basically died when Matchgame was removed, the only chance I see for them is if they get some functionality with their elements rather than JUST shield advantages, or, adding more enemies like the Omen/Subjugator, where the matching element does more damage to the targets HP. Lord of Wolves, Make it a special ammo Auto Rifle(Act 3 brings one, special Autos'll Exist and can hurt us soon) but change the alternate mode to a Shotgun working similar, like you said, to the one Fallen enemies use, - 20 - 40 magazine, alt Shotgun uses 5 ammo per shot for 4 - 8 shots, boost the range for Shotgun mode to outclass any other Shotgun HOWEVER the spread is wide and random(maybe not random to prevent luck-based killing in PvP), not likely to hit player-sized targets with many projectiles even in current max Shotgun ranges(basically only viable at point blank for PvP).

I use healing grenades for the hunter. It's still top tier, I'd call it better than prismatic most of the time. Following that, solar warlock still cooks hard with stuff like speakers sight. However, I will say, barely anything works better, and it's sad

Two things come to mind for me on this: 1. Prismatic hunter should have disorienting blow instead of combination blow - fits with the de-buffing "bag of tricks" that prismatic hunter has with the rest of its kit, and makes the endless dodge, punch, dodge, punch chain something only arc can provide. 2. Devour is awesome for all the grenade-based stuff warlocks do, but I feel like an opportunity was missed not giving prismatic warlocks child of the old gods. I want to have all of my minions at the same time without needing subclass-swapping shenanigans.

My thought for nerfing Prismatic: Replace the existing supers the class uses with all-new ones to match the other new supers, perhaps one where it uses one super's style with an element it doesn't usually use. Cryo Goldie Gun that acts like a single-shot railgun instead of a revolver, with a freeze effect for near-misses (DON'T 👏 BUNCH 👏 UP 👏). Well of Nocturne, an Empowering Rift on steroids that doesn't heal you on its own, but amps your DPS through the roof and maybe gives you Devour. A sentinel shield that inflicts Strand debuffs on hit, while granting allies it passes by Woven Mail. There's so much room to play with the idea of fusing Light and Dark.

I hope the devs do see this video. Many great suggestions indeed.

The full quote is "jack of all trades, master of none, but STILL BETTER THAN A MASTER OF ONE." Prismatic should be stronger than any other class

Options for individually nerfing/ balancing Prismatic: • nerf fragments • reduce fragment slots • change trait pool for exotic class items (this one would hurt if existing god rolls were destroyed) • differentiate between Prismatic aspects and their original subclass counter parts and dole out nerfs just to the P versions and buffs to the stand alone subclasses. (I dont know what this would entail on Bungie's end to do) • buff other subclasses' fragments • release carefully tailored exotics whos benefits only really comport with non Prismatic subclasses, or are only fully realised on them. Or edit existing exotics to be this way

I was super surprised to see prismatic had transcendence AND a super. I think giving prismatic classes no supers but transcendence only would have made more sense and helped a ton with power creep.

I don't have Final Shape, but my first impression of Prismatic wasn't great. The dual element grenades are a neat idea, but I don't really like most of them. They copy the grenade types I never use, for the most part.

I love these videos because most of tdt's ideas seem to be very good and well thought out. and as a mostly free to player (I only buy the dlcs if they're on discount for like 15$) I can see why the purchasable subclass's need to be balanced out better. long and short I hope bungie listens to this video and maybe uses some of these ideas.

I think just as a little added passive, monochromatic subclasses should provide a base 10% increase to primaries matching its element, since monochromatic subclasses have kinda been made to have their weapons match as well the past few years anyways.

I love how balanced chaos accelerant is for voidlock. Unlike every other grenade enhancing aspect, you have to charge the grenade instead if immediately throwing. And to balance out this downside the CA enhancements are the weakest of them all.

I thought that maybe they could have a version of transcendent for the individual subclasses themselves. Like maybe for Solar the verb could be “Incandescent” and for Titans the grenade could be a thermite grenade that would in an aoe instead of a forward path. Warlock could throw out multiple grenade from the new super, hunters could throw a swarm grenade that sends out like 3 sets of swarms one after the other. Some of this is admittedly a little much. But it’s just an example.

I think Buried Bloodline, and then Prismatic Warlock both showed that devour is a great tool weighed down by the rest of the void warlock kit just being so-so. At the very least that subclass needs a new melee.

I honestly do not agree. Prismatic should be the best. Solar and Void are still wildly effective.

I feel like Bungie dug a big hole and now all that’s left that they can do to balance everything is to buff everything and make prismatic the only subclass with every ability to make it so you can use what you want while still getting prismatic benefits and honestly I would kind of want to see that as of how I think it could be very fun, like as if ensnaring slam and ascension worked together to ascend while suspending everyone around you and giving amplification, cause while it seems overpowered it’s one ability for two aspect slots.

The thing i found out recently is that prismatic has that freedom in it, but once you go back to those other subclasses, you get to use builds that dont have thing like chaos accelerant or ionic traces, or the ensnaring slam or other aspects

The answer is pretty obvious to me. Just remove the other subclasses an add everything to prismatic. In the lore, guardians are not locked to one single element, so we could still have the transendence thing in final shape

You can make MIDA Multi-Tool embrace its name. Make it craftable. You can have any perk you want on it in the 1st and 2nd slots, with limited rolls available in the 3rd and 4th slots, You can have any one Champion stunning capability. This makes it a reliable base weapon in every scenario, and it doesn't have any broken AD clearing or DPS capabilities.

would love to see the other subclasses get their own version of transcendence. Something like the creeping chill artifact on stasis when you transcend, solar fulmination and solar weapons scorch on solar, or void abilities make everything volatile while transcended on void. Would be super dope to have the other classes lean more heavily into their element when they transcend

My idea for a Lord of Wolves buff: Kills while in Release the Wolves mode cause Incandescent explosions Kills while Release the Wolves is inactive gives you and nearby allies Restoration x1 for 7s (This will bring it closer to it's original functionality in D1 too)

what’s crazy is i was just thinking about this cause of simply the aspects on prismatic having more fragment slots than they do on normal subclasses, the specific example is hellion having 3 on prismatic and only 2 on solar. then i actually started to think about it and basically ended up at what was being said at about 10 minutes in, then i happened to find this video lol (100% agree btw)

I feel like opening up Transcendence and exotic class items to all subclasses, along with reducing the amount of Prismatic fragment slots (or increasing single element subclass fragment slots) would really help close the gap.

Here is an idea I thought for prismatic to change it up a bit every episode. I think that all the prismatic classes should have their grenades, aspects, supers and maybe melees changed every episode so that prismatic can stay fresh every season by forcing us to make new builds. Idk how good of an idea this is but it's just something I thought of in my spare time.

Asking a new thing to be nerfed is ludicrous. What they could do instead of nerfing something to the ground is bring the old subclasses up and buff them to help make them feel just as good as prismatic. Alot of the old classes need touched on again anyway, I think, especially some of the lesser used subclasses.

I have two ideas: 1. Give the monochromatic classes their own version of transcendence that fills only from doing damage and applying buffs/debuffs of their element. 2. Take inspiration from Warframe’s Helminth system. For those unaware, the Helminth system is an in-game sytem for slotting a specific ability from one playable Warframe onto another, such as putting Rhino’s Roar on Revenant, Kullervo’s Wrathful Advance on Gyre (My Beloved(tm)), or Grendel’s Nourish on Xaku. However, with many Helminth abilities, the benefit provided is deliberately diminished - Roar provides a lesser damage boost, Wrathful Advance has a shorter range and provides less crit chance, and Nourish no longer requires an enemy in your gut, nor provides a heal on-cast.

I still think solar warlock is better than prismatic with song of flame. I can’t let go of 50% more scorch plus healing allies gets the ability regin. I tried but I can’t see prismatic beating this.

Off the top of my head, the way I would go to bring up monochromatic subclasses would be to give them more fragment slots and make more of those fragments give bigger stat buffs. I'm thinking make most give +10 for something, some give +20

Riskrunner would be way better if it adapted to your Super's element, and functioned for that damage type, so you could run specific load outs for specific strikes/raids/dungeons/etc.

Honestly TDT, I agree with pretty much everything. Prismatic should be the jack of all trades, and not the master of everything. A rainbow is pretty and all, but solid colors are really nice too! The mono subclasses absolutely need massive buffs, and prismatic absolutely needs a drastic change! And the old exotic weapons, even from before beyond light, hell even from beyond light, are so power crept. They absolutely need some changes