Prius Brakes FAIL (Hidden COST of Hybrids) 

Getting way too complicated. Hope for the future

The "M" in DFM is "manufacturing", not "maintenance". Engineers aren't paid to give two shits what a mechanic thinks because there's no money in making something easier to work on. Frustrating but that's reality.

@@Guysm1l3y I understand that and s mechanics usually don’t give two shits when anything goes wrong and it feeds back to engineering…and believe me, some mechanics make it a point to exacerbate problems they see.

@Jacks Journale VERY ACCURATE & GOOD RANT, A +.

@MrMagOOo they’re not entirely told how to do it.

Amen to all of that!

There is another Prius vid from years ago.

I was surprised that the procedure actually worked out on the first try... What a waste of brake fluid haha

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics So was I, IT VERKED, IT VERKED THE FIRST FREAKIN TIME.

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Its not "hybrids". It's THAT Toyota ABS system.

It won't cost that much. Just bleed at the master pump and then at the wheels. See prado brake masterpump video on youtube.

Only an idiot would take two hours to waste $100 in fluid. I bleed these all the time in 20 minutes and only use $10 in fluid.

I have to get my ABS actuator replaced for a gen2 since it is finally going at near 20 years but there are places that do this replacement, only $300 for labor, $400 for used part off ebay ($1200+ for oem on toyota website) so there are places that do this, but you're only really likely to find it in a city. But if you're handy there are no less than 5 step by step videos on youtube on how to DIY with the most toyota has to do is flush the brakes (hint they can still fk that up)

My 2010 prius with 148k miles has blinking high temperature light. It comes on for 1min every time entering freeway. Sometimes my prius has heat but sometimes doesnt turn on. Its been like this 3months now couldn't figure out. I replaced thermostat at 148k already but didn't fix the issue.

I was wondering if that’s the same type of accumulator setup as my 2006 land cruiser. 👍

@@troylollysaf9311 purge the coolant system. theres probably videos on it. or park car facing up hill open radiator cap. run car till warm up and add coolant. if not then find the video. disclaimer im not prius expert

I have a '03 Lexus GS and noticed this pump turning on for a looong time every morning on ignition. Sometimes it does two cycles. It also turns on sometimes when braking. I guess I have a similar problem then. I was thinking more like vacuum canister leaking or something.

I do have toyota pirius 2010 and the engine is broken and I want to fix it how much it will cost and what is the address?

AGREED, NOT PARTICULARLY HARD FOR IVAN, ME, LMAO, NO.

Unbelievably, hard procedure to follow. What if you don't have computer? Thanks for sharing. Cool job.

@@NoWr2Run Put on a new CAPS LOCK key on your computer keyboard. It's sticking in the ON position

But finding a man of his skill that isn't at the dealer(and even then the skill at some dealers is still questionable lol) is the issue. Where I am-there's not ONE independent mechanic that knows anything about how to competently repair a Prius.

@@angeliqueillstopprocrastin479 I fell sorry for your loss

Was it really that hard in the end? Sure there was some automatic stuff by the engine which is nerve racking but it seemed fairly straightforward.

Mine has about 100k more than that and has been very inexpensive to keep running.

That's why the owner is notified. No warranty. No liability.

Used parts won't work

If you don't have the MONEY ( FOR NEW PARTS ) & ONLY YOU DRIVE THE VEHICLE, I SEE NO PROBLEM WITH IT. At least the person is getting it fixed, a lot don't. When my wife was alive I put ALL NEW NAME BRAND PARTS ON HER JEEP. BECAUSE MY WIFE'S SAFETY IS INVOLVED. My car I went to a PICK-N-PULL to get my parts unless it was something CHEAP & sometimes you got lucky & found very new parts for my car. If not I bought New or Reman. & I enjoyed going through all the vehicles at the PICK-N-PULL. YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU WILL FIND, IT'S ALMOST LIKE HUNTING, LOL.

Maybe the owner is planning to sell real soon…. fix and flip

You are aware every single part on that car is used.

That's true of most cars in salvage yards.

I did salvaged ones, paid to get installed. Now I do new from Toyota

If I saw a mass like that I wouldn't buy a Camry. It's another product of the same copmany's engineers. .

$8000 ? Price breakdown please.

@@psdaengr911 Nah. Camrys and Corolla’s are good. Have a 07 camry and a 16 Corolla.

That's impressive!

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics I was wondering if you you have any contact information and if so can you please share it, thank you 😊

Make sure to bring a gallon of brake fluid as well lmao

I want that Thinktool!! But I have my Launch X431 Pad V. They seem very similar except for the Network Tree. But That network tree.... I WANT IT! Lol

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics hey Ivan! Is there any other differences between the launch and thinktool? I have the pad V not the diagun like you but do you see any difference with your scanners?

That’s where your gas / fuel savings go -back into the maintenance of the car, as you need to take to a knowledgeable automotive technician with the right tools and experience to service such sophisticated cars. No visits to the nearest a jiffy Lube anymore!

@@paulsz6194 Yes, 1500-2000 worth of repairs at the dealer.

Stealership gonna steal. Really any car is going to reach a point where the cost of upkeep is not worth it. Most people would have traded it in by this point. I think the real lesson here is don't buy used unless you have deep pockets.

@@paulsz6194 The maintenance of the car is where the real savings come in. Failures like this are rare, while ugly things like Nissan CVT explosions are just a matter of time and miles. In the past 19 years I have had a 2002 Prius, a 2010 Prius, and a 2014 Prius, all bought used. In all those years my total maintenance time (besides the usual PM stuff) has been negligible. In contrast, all our other cars required repairs several times a year. In a total of about 300K miles among those cars I never once had to do anything to the brakes. The 2002 needed a hybrid battery rebuild at 208K miles and 18 years; $2000 and some basic wrenching set it up for the rest of its life. The 2010 apparently became magnetized, being hit by a sideswiper, a deer running full tilt into the driver's door, and a young woman who thought her doctor was being too uptight about her driving without her seizures under control... all within six months. The 2014 has been wonderful to us. I will never buy a conventional car, with all its troubles, again. 30 years of misery was enough for me.

@@flagmichael ok, wasn’t aware they are more reliable than what you hear . I’ve only heard of the bad ones on other Automotive repair channels like Diagnose Dan & Advanced level .

We’ll in the end he did save the customer a lot of money. It is a roll of the dice for the customer but he did make it clear that there was risks.

Just keep driving it, there is nothing wrong with it. Unless they have $60,000 to buy a new one

What's with these comments about the time it take...It's his job, he gets paid for it.

@@Cheepchipsable Let's see you step up to the plate and do what he did - regardless of the time, it takes. Yes, he gets paid, and it should be a BIG GODDAMN CHECK.

And you’re the sucker who thought you’d be saving money on gas 🤣

3000???? No never

@@fidelfez2202 The master cylinder itself was $2400, the rest was labor.

The factory master cylinder is $600 I don't know where you got that quote.

Daimler stands behind their products very well and have excellent parts support for older models. I laugh when Toyota/Lexus online fanbase say Toyotas are generally better cars. Lmao

Mercedes replaced a lot of those SBS brake units under extended warranty. I had a customer with one and we were looking at replacing it to the tune of $2k when they came out with the extended warranty.

@@vw5056 How many recalls have Mercedes had due to car busting into flames...?

Lexus LS460 has the same system as the prius. They say to avoid the car. BTW this system is not new - The early 1990s Tbirds had a very similar setup :lol:. There was a nitrogen pressure tank and integrated ABS on master cyl.

@@Cheepchipsable none that i know about.

Appreciate the feedback, Dave! What exactly did you find better about this one? Always striving to improve! :)

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics I'd have to say that because it was not your typical braking system, it was just exciting to see. It's rare to see hybrid repair videos, so that's a huge plus, Ivan. Personally, I love it when a person points out the frustrating points on a repair (like you did with the wiper cowl removal).

Was wondering if this was hybrid specific or just electric brake systems in general. Still, I just watched a video where an old transit van needed a new ABS - about $1000 for the part alone and it's on perpetual back order. I don't think Ivan's point about cost is valid.

ABS failure Never pass inspections in certain states.

Those vehicles have electronic brakes because they are tall and rollover-prone. They have a system called vehicle-dynamics integrated management (or VDIM for short) to detect a skid or possible rollover before it becomes an issue and make millisecond-by-millisecond brake, throttle, and steering assist adjustments to stay in control. A traditional braking system just couldn't respond rapidly enough, and the pedal would feel inconsistent.

It's a Fiat Chrysler made vehicle. I'm surprised it lasted that long.

Had a problem with my DPF on my 13 TDI Jetta. Lucky it was covered by Dieselgate warranty. I'm dont with Diesels. Had 6 of them before, but all those emissions systems make it no longer worth it.

You can use a wobbly and or elbow to remove that one spark and coil without having to remove cowl

It sucks but, I got it down to a science now, it only takes me a few min to remove the cowl and wiper assembly (I know, the whole spark plug/coil pack replacement should take only a few few minutes but, it is what it is...

I have my new plugs and now just debating, do I replace them now or wait till I get new struts and do them both at once. All the same crap has to come off.

Dorman 😂

Where have you been living to have not heard about Dorman's reputation?

Replacement card one motor tested bad upon removal. Somehow when they fry, the module fries but doesn't blow the atc fuse. Long story short, replaced the encoder motor with a bone yard oe one, disconnected the module, shifted transfer case into 2wd using jumpers at the connectors then grounded the front axis actuator so its got four wheel drive when the 4wd fuse in the dash is installed and 2wd when it is removed. F that module. Gonna install a custom switch plate instead.

I was referring to the vin number on the vehicle that supplied the part from the junkyard.

What difference would it make on an 11 year old Prius with (230K), nearly a quarter million miles? This special breed of customer that purchases these wouldn't settle or trust anything used so the Car Fax gimmick is basically useless and the owners best bet is to continue driving it until the inverter and or battery fails, which may happen sooner than later.

@@MrYAMAHA32177 Ivan was concerned that the vin for the donor vehicle of the replacement unit fell into the recall, so the part might have the same problem as the original. The recall was for a bad accumulator, which is the problem the customer was having. I hate Carfax too, but if he ran the vin of the donor vehicle through a Carfax it would at least tell him if the recall was done. A Toyota dealer could tell him the same thing for free. Then he would know if he had the updated part. Trying to stop a Prius with a bad hydraulic unit is almost impossible so you have to either fix it or get rid of the car. I'm not a big Prius fan, but I do work on them. I have to admit they last a long time. On a car this old I would take a chance on a used part versus the cost of a new one.

Not even close to 10k in savings. A prius at 50 mpg at 230,000 over a similar not hybrid at 34 mpg is saving 2164 gallons of gas. So that is about $4,500 depending on where you live. When you factor in the higher cost to register a hybrid and the inflated initial purchase cost, you aren't saving any money at all. For example a base Prius in 2009 cost 22k when a base Corolla cost 15k. A $7,000 premium.

@@nick21614 gas is $5.00 a gallon for 87 where I live, It definitely saves you money over the long run

@@evanspiteri3576 If the average cost of gas over the last 10 years to have saved that money then you don't live in the USA.

@@nick21614 You're right, I don't, I live in California

Driving a hybrid places where you can use the regenerative braking is great. The hybrid gearbox is bulletprof and basically works the same way as a differential.

Or, maybe you can determine whether the supplied parts are post-recall parts by the P/N's or date codes on them.

icesoft, GREAT IDEA.

@@kellyx57 They would have different model numbers.

It would of been free if the owner kept up on recalls which they failed to do

That’s incorrect. It was technically a customer relations bulletin. Toyota would only fix it if your Prius broke prior to ten years old and prior to 150k miles. Technically, it was never recalled for this issue

He could run the vin on safer car . Gov

Exactly, I know a guy that installed a engine THAT the customer supplied from junkyard, it was no good and she wanted him to swap another free of charge...He offered to supply the engine him self from the junk yard with a small markup that covered the labor in case of a bad engine, but she wanted to get it herself and save the 200$ markup. It costed her additional 600$ + for swapping the engine again.

Mechanics liens exist partly because because no mechanic can know for sure that any part built by other will work correctly.

Then you put a lien on their car and it’s yours to sell :)

@@psdaengr911 Right, but we don't know if Ivan had him sign anything

And also a deathtrap

Sounds like a fun project!

Those cars are indestructible

Then a month later the battery goes, which costs $8k to replace. Gotta be very wealthy to drive a fuel-saving Prius.

@@vw5056 VWs are just so cheap to repair...

@@Cheepchipsable about the same cost as a Break My Wallet hehe

Buying used is buying someone else’s problems

@@vw5056 battery is 1k ish. 2k to replace and he said he would drive on gas only.

Can you elaborate please

I have a 2015 prius v that has this issue. What is a fair repair price you think?

how many parts did they replace? the master cylinder and the accumulator? i have a 2010 and dealership said i am too late for the recall

@@alohajason if you got an address I can send you one from a prius I just bought from a wreck. They replaced the break controll module and master cylinder and possibly break booster

And some kind of actuator

@@samhsu1271 still got it?

@@reformedchinesecommunist yup its in my doner car in my garage, all the parts are in tact I just took the engine out for my other prius.

Presumably because if the engine isn't always running they can't use a regular vacuum brake booster. Though I think some hybrids and even full EVs just use a vacuum pump with a regular booster..

The Prius has been brake-by-wire since it launched in 1997. That's the only way to coordinate regenerative and friction braking.

@@aspecreviews Can you back up your information? From what I know brake by wire is not allowed in cars, you need to have a mechanical backup. Same for steer by wire. Only gas by wire is allowed, and that with a lot of safety in the software ... see famous cases when car went crazy ...

@@bbogdanmircea there is a mechanical (hydraulic) backup, but you have to push on the pedal very hard. Same as a conventional unassisted brake system if the DBW modulator fails.

I remember when I could just open up the brake bleeders & let them gravity bleed, NOT SO MUCH ANY MORE. My 68 does it NO PROBLEM THOUGH.

WOW that is amazing!!! My Suzuki work SUV gets 22mpg if I'm lucky haha

Gallons are different....UK vs. US

That would be around 61mpg on US gallons, still way better than any hybrid and without any expensive control systems. Sadly diesel is no longer an option in the USA.

Should have liked before I made a similar comment about the same video - he sure pumps them out.

Check your speed sensors and the wires. Also the connections