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if you buy the materials in bulk from a good distributor like we did then the cost of the materials would work out at around that for one of the smaller panels and the wood and insulation we got was very high quality too.
For everyone thinking about making acoustic panels, use plastic foil between the fabric and the absorption material, you really dont wanna inhale those particles. This will also allow to use more breathable mesh like fabrics which will improve the performance. And if you think that the plastic foil will ruin the acoustic performances try wrapping your speaker with plastic foil and youll realize that it only affects the really highs like 10-20khz which isnt the region you want to absorb anyway. Ive made hundreds of acoustic panels and this is just something I wanted to share! Take carr
I used an idea from another video and got that weed guard material you would put in your garden. Keeps the insulation from poking through the fabric nicely and it's still breathable enough fro effective absorbtion.
Is plastic foil the same as Cling wrap, like glad wrap? Do you put it both sides? like you mentioned I was told that sealing them with something that isn't breathable would cause reflections, but you've built 100's.
@@imnotjacob. Yeah you can use glad or cling wrap, I prefer industrial plastic foil like the ones shipping companies spin their packages in just because the sheets are bigger. I suggest you wrap the whole thing rather than a specific side 👍
Maybe a little late, but... There is also an issue that anyone rarely talks about. While I believe you can deal with particles even without plastic film - I'm not sure it will help against phenol and formaldehyde vapor (the binding component). Yes, it does vaporize over time. If only companies provided detailed information about concentration and migration rate into atmosphere. Would be a shame to die from cancer.
Make sure to wear gloves and a mask when working with Rockwool. Also, make sure to wrap both the front and the back in fabric so you don't get rockwool particles in your room for the long run. A good, cheap material to seal the back is garden landscaping mesh. You can buy a big roll of it and double it up to cover the back. For anyone wanting to try this, it doesn't have to look as handy and pro as it does in this video. It's just sticking insulation in your room and framing/wrapping it to protect your skin/lungs from the insulation fibers.
Landscaping mesh is not going to keep tiny particles in. I recommend Craft Felt, it is inexpensive and looks nice, and is much better at keeping dust in.
@@LuisCasstle Or just wrap a few layers of inexpensive kitchen foil around it the wool part and then you can cover it up with any fabric of your choice :)
Timestamps if ya want them: 0:00 Intro + FL Studio Giveaway 1:39 Click here if you like music :) 1:50 What is the panel made of? 2:53 Making the Wooden Frames 3:45 Lining with fabric + top tip to save £$ 4:56 Fitting the insulation and wood for a professional finish 5:26 Unique air gap design feature for fitting and function 6:07 Final Panel Design 6:30 Fitting to the wall securely with more air gap 6:55 Fitting the Ceiling Cloud - It's super strong 7:17 Cheeky Monkey 7:21 Panel placement for optimal room acoustics 7:42 Installing LED lights 8:41 What about the windows??? 8:49 My Favourite Sound Absorption device ;) 9:05 Extra Steps with room accessories 9:25 Wooden Wall Diffusion 9:46 Cost per panel and total for the room 10:04 Outro - Thanks for watching
Man i really cringed when seeing you working with the rockwool without gloves and any safety thingies... That stuff is just Scratchy as and btw, you should cover them on the back as well, because you are supposed to habe them in a closed Space, due to the magic fibre dust that is not healthy for your lungs!! (Carpenter speaking :D) But all in all, much respect for doing it yourself
Retrospectively I would definitely wear gloves and mask all the way through working with the mineral wool. I wore gloves and a mask when insulating the actual room with the same material but wasn't as careful when making the panels. From my research into the safety of the fibres there appear to be studies showing it doesn't have long term negative health risks as the body can process the fibres and eliminate them if inhaled unlike fiberglass or asbestos, but It's probably not worth taking the risk anyway. ideally I would like to find a material that is safe to work with and more environmentally friendly/sustainable and will share if I find better options. Thanks very much for your comment :)
Like most of youtube these days this is a well produced video with a complete lack of actual knowledge. So frustrating. But hey, have fun making "content".
Hey, I can appreciate that as a frustration, though my aim was only to share the most significant things I have learned that will help somebody cover the basics. Of course there can be much more depth and more technical accuracy but the basics still stand that its worth treating a room and how I have done it has made a big improvement. I could say the same of your 'criticism' , like most RU-vid comments that criticise there isn't any attempt to suggest how an improvement could be made (other than complaining about a lack of knowledge) which is also frustrating. You made no attempt share any of your own knowledge, or maybe a link to somewhere with higher quality information. I'm happy to learn and I guess that is what everyone watching is trying to do, but I also don't want it to be off putting for somebody new to the process by getting overly technical and complicated. Thanks for the comment and the compliment about the production quality. I will continue to do my best. :)
thanks very much :) I spent a long while thinking about this and decided I could manage the window by using a thick blind to cover it when I was doing sensitive mixing and mastering, the speakers are below the window and well away from the wall, most of the reflective issues are likely to come from behind me, i also knew that if it wasn't working I could move the setup over to another wall but so far it's been really great to work in
You handled hazardous materials without gloves or a mask. Not great advice for your viewers. Why mount the speakers so close to the wall even with RW4 in the wall that’s not ideal?
Hi Danny, I have posted in the top comment and in the description an important note on the safety of handling this material I realised that this comment was not pinned at the top and have now done that and appreciate your comment as I don't wish to encourage unsafe practise. I wore gloves and a mask almost all the way throughout working with it especially when putting it in the roof of the studio overhead. However I also found it not to be irritating to my hands. I made sure to keep the door and/or window open for good ventilation and upon researching the safety of the material I made my own choice about how to handle it. I have linked the studies and research about it in the description and state that 'it's worth wearing protection whilst handling the insulation and ensuring that it is covered in the final design with the wood and fabric but that it is overall a neutral material and should be safe'. What a viewer decides to do with it is from there on up to them. I have also placed the speakers on sound absorbing material and moved them further from the wall and the overall sound I am getting has been great to work with. I hope that answers your question. Kobi
Hi Der, it's a bit of a positive feedback loop I think, where the attention span of people is decreasing because of huge option and exposure to content on the internet, so videos that are more to the point and fast flowing often get better watch time and audience retention. Then peoples attention span decreases further as the slow paced videos just get skipped, so I hope to get the balance just right where its not too fast or too slow but it's tricky. thanks for sharing that though :) I will bare it in mind
Only thing that bothered me is the monitor placement..... So much effort for a good listening position and you throw it all away with that monitor placement.
Are you crazy to have these absorbers open? The woll is really bad for your health and lungs.. make sure to close the absorbers fully and never build them without a mask
I do talk about closing the back of them with cloth at the end of the video and yes I would recommend wearing a mask whilst you are cutting the insulation.
I have shared information in the description with links and studies on the safety of the material. I hope also to explore the options more and share whatever I find if I can come across a material that is more optimal for health, environment , sustainability, absorption and cost, which is tricky but I will share if I discover it
I recommend doubling up the fabric on the front and covering the back with the same fabric or old towels as I mention in the video. As far as I am aware that should be sufficient. I have also linked info in the description about the health and safety of using mineral wool and will continue to share what I find as I learn more
Man, you spend hundreds and thousands on the room, you have huge speakers but you don't have a proper display of monitor(s)? Working on a shitty laptop takes 3-4 times more time than if you had a normal monitor.
haha I know it was definitely on the list of upgrades but I wanted to be sure I would get the right display once the space was setup, I now have a 4k BenQ PD2700U and it has been awesome performance so far which you can see iin my more recent videos, I have also upgraded to a workstation so that I can get Higher PC performance but will make more videos about the upgrades in the future :)
haah fair enough you got me on that point, not everyone has a compound saw kicking about, I was lucky that my dad had one already. That being said you can get a good compound saw for about £1-200 and you will have it for a long time, if not you could hire one for much cheaper or find a friend/neighbour who can work with you using theirs. The same goes for a drill and beyond that you don't need much more equipment. You could do the same work with a hand saw too if you really wanted but it would just take longer.
Have Faith Ray, I'm sure you will find a way :) I've nevre been to America so I can;t recommend anything but I'm sure there are some Californian producers with advice online :)
@@iambradarthur you've never been here? then you've definetely won the game. i wish i had a reference in sales and locations to see how bad the pandemic effected the stock of this stuff
Really nice panels they look super clean. How was rockwool as a material? I've heard it can be quite tough to work with and the fibres can make it a bit suffocating
you should use light weight rockwool panel for acoustic treatment because high dense rockwool will reflect bass frequencies this will make your room sound dead in high frequencies
I'm 3 1/2 years too late. So the monkey's name is probably chosen. But if he dies, and you get another one, 🐒'Funky the Monkey' 🐒 Nice studio space too. VERY CLEAN . . . 👏😎
Has rockwool created any kind of breathing or itching problem for you so far ? Many people in youtube recommend not to use it. I am confused regarding what to use.
I love this video!!! Building bass traps sounds tedious and overwhelming sometimes all the planning it takes, but you make it look simple! I love the different design you went with the wood on the sides, and heck you're even able to use it as a shelf! That's so cool! You gained another subscriber! XD
thanks for watching everyone and for 2k subs :) can we get this video to 5000 likes? SAFETY NOTICE - Many are asking about the safety of the rockwool, CHECK THE DESCRIPTION for the links and important info I have listed there. Watch the full Studio Build Here ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-sKT80lPjQ8Y.html Connect with me here 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/kobimccoull Discord: discord.gg/thgC5wJSuw
@BlackBrain45 thanks for letting me know! I have fixed it now. Hmm I wonder why it's so expensive over there. it's less than £5 or so for a large strip here. haha thank you, I made that one in this video here, ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-885HAoEnYLY.html hopefully I'll release it someday
Nice video! Made some my self for my home theater but it’s always inspirational to see what other people are doing🤩 overall I think your panels look very nice and might make some bass traps here ☺️
With the insulation free & open in the back you have created a long CANCER risk. Those particles will get in your lungs & irritate them forever as your body cannot break them down.... TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY!, I KNOW PEOPLE WHO HANDLED THIS STUFF & DIED YOUNG FROM LUNG CANCER& THEY DID NOT SMOKE!!! THE INSULATION NEEDS TO BE CONTAINED EVERYWHERE!!!!
True Sound Studios has a video on RU-vid making panels & he uses 2 layers of outdoor weed fabric front & back plus fabric in the front. This doesn't ruin the panels but it makes them safe. Remember that sound will be moving thru the panels EVERYDAY & any fiberglass floating around will get in your body. The safer the panel the better. I used 1/4 upholstery foam on the front & back & then the insulation is trapped completely. IT ALSO gets rid of the wrinkles the insulation can make under the fabric. It lays beautifully flat this way & looks so professional. I sold the ones I made & I am making new ones with fabric I like better. Remember, you can use different colors or patterns to make your studio more exciting. However, 10 panels of huge paisley swirls or plaid looks really dumb...,I have seen some panels the owner hates after a while so maybe just change colors or use a subtle pattern. Keep rocking,,,!!!
Seriously.....You inspired me to do this by myself and cleared my vision of what to do and what not to....just a day back i was thinking and tired of asking people to help in this stuff....u made it easier THANKS A TON!
Whats ironic About the video is that for how many Acoustic panels he has stuffed into that Room I was able to notice way more Room reverb than I was expecting right away
I have found it to give the best balance between being a mixing and mastering space and a live recording space which many studios are going for currently as it allows for some colour in the sound of your recordings but is not so lively that you can't accurately mix or master in it, I can of course use headphones as a reference to check against too :)
Amazing studio and design etc. However, your speakers are too low and too lose to you. I wuld suggest putting them on stands and mover the desk closer towards you so you are in the proper listening spot.
Do you need to cover the back of the absorbers? I've heard a bunch of people freaking out about breathing Rockwool particles? Also, the panels look dope. Nice vid!
yoo thanks very much :) You don't absolutely have to but it isn't too tricky to do and doesn't have to look pretty either as you won't see it so it's worth doing if you want. I did it for a few of them but not all of them. There are quite a few studies about the safety of rockwool and it seems neutral when it's not being cut or handled (it's a good idea to wear gloves and a mask when you're working with it) it's certainly not as dangerous as the previous versions of insulation and asbestos or fiberglass.
Awesome vid, as always. Congrats on 1k! I sent an email to the account listed in your about section, check it out if you want. Thank you so much for putting out these vids!
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it was hard to track all of the measurements because I adjusted them to fit the size of the insulation, the space and the wood we had available at the local timber merchants. I hope you get on ok though and if you are struggling or have any other questions feel free to reach out and I will help if I can
@@iambradarthur I won't hold it against you because your videos are great. But, Jessica Lange summed up my feelings about knotty pine in American Horror Story here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--MUcpPRF-sQ.html&ab_channel=SeanDilley
I would not use rockwool for panels. Rockwool breaks down over time and will pass through the cloth material, into tiny particles that you will breathe and eventually get very sick from. Rockwood is meant to be an insulator behind sheet rock walls and is not meant to have any acoustic value.
Did the foam mistake, and 1 it cost more then making the panels and like you said too much foam was bad was OK for recording vocals but was awful when it came to mixing. Panels 100% from now on.
Hey man, well done. So many vids with poor solutions for low end. For a future build, I would LOVE to see how you go about building your own diffuser. Thanks for this.
Thanks very much :) I am yet to put diffusers in place as I would want to measure the room accurately to determine which frequencies I need to treat most. Hopefully something I will get round to eventually
Looks really nice to me. One idea I had is that you could have built the absorption right into your walls, so you wouldn't need to build any (or many) panels. So, like at 2:00 in your video once you'd put the complete outer layer of rockwool. At that point you could have put the wood paneling on the places you want to be reflective and simply used batting and fabric for the places you want to be absorptive. Maybe that would not have worked well when it's really cold outside, not sure. -- Another problem with my idea is when you go to sell your house, having fabric sections instead of walls. -- But it would have saved a lot of work and given you a sleeker, more professional look. -- But great job!
Hey thanks very much :) Yeah I did think about just putting fabric over certain sections of the walls as It would definitely have saved time if I could find a way to do it simply but the more I developed the idea in my mind the more problems began to appear. 1. It would have been challenging to get a finish that I was happy with as the walls would have stuck out in certain sections where I covered the insulation with plywood or tongue and groove and I would have been restricted to using the wall studs for the joins. 2. by building the panels this way i can take them with me if I move studios or my setup in the future, I can also take them off and move them about if I need. 3. Like you mentioned, THE COLD!"!! haha- it was -23 degrees Celsius here this winter so the more thickness the better. 4. Sound proofing, Quite a lot of sound gets out and comes in already so any less material and it could start being a problem. 5. The AIR GAP - for some reason the waves seem more effectively absorbed when the absorbing material has an air gap between it and the wall (I'm not absolutely certain about this but it seems to hold true so far) especially as I didn't opt for the room within a room design that is popular. 6. The bass traps more or less needed to be built with those shapes and dimensions and so it wasn't too much more work to do the others along with the bass traps I definitely think it's a viable option, I have seen setups like Colt Capperune where the wall is almost entirely fabric on top of acoustic foam. I just decided against it this time but I may well try in the future. Thanks again Kobi :)
@@iambradarthur very good! You clearly thought about it a lot and you did a great job. Your room looks really great. -- I just finished a similar project in my room, although my room was already finished with drywall by the prior owner of the house. I opted to use more freestanding/stackable panels, like gobos, so I can use them both for recording, and then move them into different positions for mixing. I also tried to make my panels have two sides, one purely absorptive and the other partially reflective (of the highs and upper mids, while still trapping lows - more for recording). I learned that by simply putting a piece of heavy brown paper in between the rockwool and the fabric, that side of the panel has a different character. It's cool that you can put your nose up to the panel, sing, and hear what it sounds like. I had a lot of fun making this stuff and I can tell you did too. -- Thanks for you detailed reply. I like learning from other people's projects.
I like Mr. Monkey but someone suggested Kong, and I like Kong McCoull haha plus I think he's a gorilla orat least that's what my dad thinks hhaa, thanks Mandy :)
Definitely doing this for my workroom/studio in my apartment, only problem is that one wall is just a giant 3m*3m window, what would you recommend using for that? Perhaps some nice thick and heavy curtains?
Yes, sure, give it a go, so long as its sturdy and not so tight that it is no longer porous because if its not porous at all then it will start acting like wall again and reflect the noise.
On the back of the wall you need Diffusion no absorber. The room sound to death right now. do you have measurements results before and after installation?
@@TommyNation Only if you you are sticking to a Live-End Dead-End principle. But there's no 'always' about it and once all the furniture is in can you really assess if there it's worth it.
if u wanna damp the max. bass fq u have to take some damping material which has quite more than 5000Pa*s/m2 air flow resistance. and then it's getting much more expensive. ;) - e.g. an normal 200mm thick layer of "rockwool" with a max of 5kPa*s/m2 - which equates to a absorbtion coefficient of 0,6 at around 100kz. by using the same thickness of rockwool with 10kPa*s/m2 AFR u get an absorbtion coefficient of 0,6 at 78Hz... (we're talking about normal rockwool without any specific acoustic functions...) U see, it's quite a bit of a choice between the amount of money and the "needs" of your room treatment.... u can decide. I layerd two different porous absorber as seiling absorbing area - 150mm thickness and an coefficient 0,78 at 70Hz... this is phenomenal! All the best and keep up presenting hich quality content!
So why are these 'pro' panels? At what frequenties do these work? In my opinion pro panels are panels that are specifically build for the acoustic problems in a specific room.
This design is used by professional acousticians across the world. the mineral wool, depending on the density and thickness has good coverage across the frequency spectrum. You can measure the absorption in your room with various tech to work out specific resonant frequencies which you could then treat with a diffuser or resonator to improve the overall sound, but these panels offer broad absorption, not specific to a small frequency range.
@@iambradarthur man I was listening here in loop the end of the video I really liked the sound I would like to hear it all as soon as I leave, I'm from Brazil, the sound of your music is perfect you mix it yourself
Nice work! I think you need to put your speaker away from that back wall. All the acoustic treatment in the world will not compensate for bad speaker placement!!
Do you mean the total cost? by adding up the cost for all of the panels in the room it would come to around £200 for the materials, the smaller panels costing about £10 up to the bass traps being more like £35, it depends on the materials you go for
Agreed, I mention and show towards the end of the video that it is a good option to do this. I have also linked studies in the description discussing the safety and risks of the rockwool overall.
Great video! One question, where did you get your rockwool from? I recently just made 6 panels and could only find the rockwool online from acoustic treatment websites. It was much more expensive than I originally thought.
Air gap only works when it's between the panel and the wall. Gaps around the edges reduce the efficacy of your low frequency absorption. This is because low frequencies are omni directional and therefore will find their way through any pinhole sized gap they encounter, Any frequencies which make their way through the gap at the sides will not be absorbed by the rockwool. When people talk about adding an air gap behind the panel, they are doing this because absorber panels like this work by stopping or reducing the velocity of the sound wave. At the hard boundary like a wall or ceiling where the wave strikes the surface and reflects back to the room the velocity is at or near zero.. so bumping the panel a few inches out from the wall will vastly improve absorption at all frequencies because the panel is "catching" the sound wave before it hits the wall and then again as any remaining frequencies reflect back into the room. By having a gap you essentially catch the sound wave two times, once as it enters the panel and again as it tries to reflect back out. If you leave a gap around the sides you are giving sound waves a side door to avoid the absorbing material. Otherwise good job.
thanks. I have found that they are performing well with the current setup. I have a gap between the back of the panel and the wall and that seems to be doing the job well.
