Pro Memoria Is A MUST CRAFT Weapon 

I adore my recon + desperate measures combo

@notbateman4298 Yes, that's exactly what im crafting for general play.

im think to do 2 perks for more boss damage

@@korn20293 nice. 👌

I will say last season had a lmg of slice n hatchling

It's definitely a great alternative for those who don't raid.

I don't even do the raid and this week and last I started solo doing the first chest in deep stone. Got a red border commemoration both times. Worth doing if want the guns without raising. Just sparrow thru it in a few minutes for secret chest and bam

​@@chrisb.9083 don't you need to have done the raid for weapons to drop from the chests ?

​@@x-notbad-xyes...you are right...in These chests are only Things drop which are all ready in your loot pool

Have commemoration (not crafted) thought hammerhead would get me off of it, didn’t expect to like this lmg more

Yeah, you be surprised how many people misunderstand how the perk works. Also, thanks for the sub! ✌️😎

Oh yeah, it's definitely worth it. Glad to help! 😎✌️

Nice! Yeah, it puts in work.

Same here. It slaps

@@Flixcer1404 Thanks! 🙏😎

Nice. Yeah, I use it in the exact same encounter lol.

Thanks. Yeah, it's definitely worth it.

Oh yeah hatchling + Dragonfly sounds fun. Imagine if we could of got hatchling + recon I would of made that my top pick for add clearing. B&S is def the best if you are rotating through your loadout a ton.

@@AceInTheSpade - I was doing the breach activity and the final boss was the tormentor; I cackled like an absolute madman at how quickly the LMG with B&S shredded it. Almost felt like cheating. I don't know how well Hatchling & Dragonfly performs in the likes of a higher Nightfall or whatever, but it's a nice synergy with both wanting precision kills, then Dragonfly triggers the multi kill portion of Hatchling.

@MGShadow1989 you can shred that guys health bar with a blue sidearm though

@@Edgetarian15 - and? it's still amusing seeing how effective LMGs are against them.

@Edgetarian15 I mean, if we're real loadouts, don't really matter in anything below a day 1 raid, grand master NF, or solo flawless dungeon run. Destiny is all about min maxing. You could do without, but for a lot of people, it's min maxing that makes the game fun.

Yeah, a lot of people have been mentioning that roll. I'll definitely have to try it out.

Oh yeah, Demo is great on prismatic.

@@skuirrelTV Thanks. 🙏

I feel ya. Hammerhead is still great for void builds though.

Indeed.

@@cartho1103 oh wow good to know. 👍

Nice! Hatchling + Demo definitely sounds like some fun Tom foolery.

Nice! Sounds like some fun rolls.

100% with you on this. People underestimate how easy it is to proc and keep desperate measures x2 and x3 up consistently.

​@@AceInTheSpadedesperate measures x3 also has the same dmg buff as bait and switch

Nice. Sounds fun.

Same here.

I get that, but even then, B&S is more damage, and no kills to proc. I'd default to that or target lock in GMs tbh. If you are using it on champions, especially. For add clear I still think DM is solid because the best way to proc it is woth ability kills to proc it then just go hame as it refreshes on kills.

@@AceInTheSpadehonestly for me, I don’t really utilize bait and switch cause I often forget about it lol

@@thatoneguy1741 lol understandable in that case frenzy is def the best set and forget it perk.

@@12345apes I'm sure they do indeed.

Sounds fun. 👍

Agreed.

Marcato - 45 with enhanced Demo + Onslaught.. Thank me Later

Yeah, target lock or desperate measures of you are doing a lot of ability spam.

@@AceInTheSpade thanks, I think I’ll try desperate measures. That should work well with prismatic warlock

True. It is pretty large.

I wouldn't doubt it.

Extended mag only gives you 4 extra bullets over appended, but nerfs your reload. Which already feels extremely slow to begin with.

Why would you care about reload when you will never reload it anyway, 4 bullets without recon = 8 extra in a fully reconstructed mag​@@AceInTheSpade

@@DerpsterIV That's a fair assessment.

I'm not sure if this applies to this gun, but I've hit an ammo cap on several machine guns using extended+backup mag. I'd give an example, but not online. I'd double check that extended+backup doesn't hit the gun's cap. If it does, appended is probably the better option (if it doesn't, then obviously it's up to you). That's all :).

Oh man, that does sound pog.

Bro said pog unironically​@@AceInTheSpade

​@@chewhakka7611 bro said bro unironically

I just use backup mag for even more bullets.

@panzerkitti1212 People use LMGs on tormentors and chunkier targets all the time which TL can proc on. I also dont mean just boss DPS. TL ramps up to 40% damage, and the average is about 25% overall. BNS isnt up all the time either its on a timer so you have to constantly reproc it. I myself prefer desperate measures, which imo fits the current sandbox of ability spam much better than B&S, which if you run out of ammo you can't proc and you can't refresh. DM I can keep up forever if I wanted to.

⁠@@AceInTheSpade majority playerbase isn’t open to trying different things. Use what works for you, I use attrition orbs n dragonfly on mine and I love it. Community would have a lot more fun if people where open to variety

@Haazitation oh definitely, I agree.

Thanks. I appreciate it! ❤️✌️😎

Desperate Measures Trumps B&S, in my opinion. It's much easier to proc consistently, and you can keep it up forever as long as you keep getting kills. B&S has to be reprocced.

I think it's good on primary weapons and typically is active all the time for me inside, actually, encounters. But on this weapon, it's very meh.

@@AceInTheSpade Eh, if the gun has One for All and someone insists that Frenzy is the better pick, I'm not going to listen lol. Precision Instrument too.

@CrunchBar-qe5fw I do think there are instances where frenzy is better because it does max out reload speed, which if you are using a low mag weapon, feels miles better. But typically, OFA is goated.

Frenzy activates while stowed as long as your in combat

@@degaetano510 And? It's not double primary era, I'm not going to be using something else and then switch to a Frenzy procced primary. Every other damage perk in the game, including kill-required ones, has quicker activation criteria than Frenzy does.

Lol. I feel ya.

Lol. Sorry a bad habit.

It is indeed silly fun.

Hard disagree. The higher RPM already puts its base DMG above commemoration and hammerhead. Perks like desperate measures can be procced even while the weapon is stowed and keeping up x2 and x3 is extremely easy to do, especially on prismatic. Killing tally requires weapon kills, and the moment you switch weapons, you lose the buff. Desperate Measures doesn't lose that buff when stowing or switching. Also, I'd argue DM better fits the sandbox playstyle as we're constantly switching between abilities and weapon kills and constantly rotating through our loadouts. That's just my personal take. I'm not saying Killing tally is bad. But for my builds and playstyle, I like Desperate Measures better because I'm constantly getting x2 and x3 all the time. Commemoration is definitely better if you are running void builds, though. The song of Ir Yut is great for melee builds because of the origin trait.

I've been using a Hammerhead with Rampage + Desperate Measures and it outperforms Killing Tally in my opinion, especially when I run it with Void Warlock, where Pro Memoria can also get Target Lock if you don't like Bait and Switch, which is a really good option outside of Killing Tally.

@@AceInTheSpade So I used D2Foundry and I did found interesting data: Commemoration with Killing Tally IS outperformed by Pro Memoria with Frenzy by a small margin: 25000 DPS vs 26000 DPS, so yeah it is an upgrade here. But that falls apart against Hammerhead since the roll with Rampage + Killing Tally completely outperforms any machine gun with astounding 33000 DPS vs 29000 from Pro Memoria with max Desperate Measures. And against all odds it’s not hard to get Hammerhead rolling with these two perks, same as it’s not hard to get it rolling with Desperate Measures. If you already have Commemoration, there isn’t much reason to upgrade to Pro Memoria unless you are a grenade build that can take advantage of Desperate Measures. If you still need a LMG Pro Memoria can be your option and you will not miss Commemoration. If you can deal with reload (hi Hunters) Hammerhead is the best option.

@@WrathNebula321 my issue with DM is that if you are running a build that depends on the healing made DM is a waste of a perk to use. You still can activate with melee but here is already a burden where I can even forget the perk exist with Killing Tally. Less maintenance

@Ace-ob9yk That's a super hyper specific example. Most builds can still benefit from DM greatly imo. As for double damage perks on LMGs I'm just not a fan personally. Once you have used one with something like Envious or Reconstruction it makes it really hard to have to go back to a smaller magazine and more reloading. Especially with the abysmal 4-5 seconding reloads, which is annoying in the heat if battle when you need the ammo pronto or you might die.