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@@thomasc777That’s not what I said or implied. My statement was directed to the excess wording used. Besides, the video was supposed to be directed to amateurs.
@@thomasc777 The guy repeated two things (three if you're generous) over and over, phrased slightly differently, for eight full minutes: 1: Know what your gear does and how to use it for your purposes in your space (points 1 and 2) 2: Mix to the overall composition, don't hyperfocus, overedit, or edit when it's unnecessary (points 3-6) 3 if you're generous: Prepare the file one day, or in the morning, and then mix the next day or after lunch/mid-day break. The video could have been a minute and a half long. Really, the only valuable portions were the clips of the better mixing engineers saying more in a couple sentences than this guy did in eight minutes.
3:54 Clients will ALWAYS do this. You will never nail the mix on the first try, even if you do. I had a guy once who listened to his song for a week, on everything imaginable, and he could not find any problems with the mix, and then he sent the mix to 10 other engineers who are competing for his business, and they made him a laundry list of things that needed to be corrected, most of which was all BS. I asked him if he heard any problems, he said no, but was worried the other engineers did. We did a live mix session, and he critically listened to the last detail, we did all sorts of adjustments for hours, he was pleased. Then he sent the mix to the other engineers, they found more problems, and he fired me. Lmao. But that was an extreme example. Most want 3 revisions no matter how good it turns out. They think you should spend more time on the mix no matter what, even if you have the best room, the best gear, and the best ear. It happens to everyone; we have to make the customer happy. Grab the "JST Blackbox" and see how many clients think you nailed that mix after using that for a bit. You'll find out they are just listening for things that aren't there. But you have to be confident in your own skills to know that mix is as good as it will ever be. If you think you can improve it, then you didn't put enough effort into it, but then there are deadlines, and there is that too. Do your best. Great video, and you are totally right. 💯
My limited experience with mixing engineers (on 4 songs, 3 uploaded to spotify etc.) is that it does need 2 or 3 revisions. I noticed that some things I picked on, later I discovered he was right, they weren't audible in the context of a busy mix, I even forgot what they were. Because... our ears get used to the final mix; meaning, whatever bugged you before, just doesn't really register in our brain anymore. HOWEVER, these comments apply to minor things, not obvious crass things like, "shoot that vocal is actually out of tune at this place", "woah that Delay does not jive with the groove", darn, it sounds like the drum set is being played in a Russian missile silo, that has just been struck by an Ukrainian drone" LOL.
@@CindoSantos yeah if there are glaring issues with the mix then it definitely needs to be addressed. But usually within the context of a solid mix this still happens. I think Billie Jean was mixed over 90 times and Quincy Jones went with the 2nd or 3rd mix.
Mistakes mentioned in video: 1. Copying gear and settings that pros use 2. Gear is worthless without understanding what its for 3. Organizing and editing while mixing leads to mistakes 4. Overbaking the mix (don't overedit) 5. Trying to make every element to be in focus 6. Processing a track when its not necessary
Better mixes - it's about experience and ear training in this progress. Sometimes you just don't need a lot of plugins. You just need calmness, insight, understanding where you have what frequencies and volume levels. Of course, you must be well-slept, full and feel good in general. And years of experience not just mixing something but listen carefully to successful tracks of various styles. Here's what helped me mix better. But you are constantly learning in the process. And probably the most difficult thing is the recording and mixing of high-quality pop songs.
Oh, I almost forgot. Never be too critical of yourself and your mixes, especially compared to tracks from cool and expensive studios. Remember that most listeners will not notice what you understand.
@@altermoremusic that’s honestly one of the biggest hurdles being a musician and doing your own mixes. Critiquing is not the same as composing! There’s always something that COULD be tweaked. Is it completely necessary? no… but it becomes habit to listen for potential improvements, rather than sit back and absorb it as a whole. If the fundamental elements of the track are composed well, the listener for the most part won’t even notice what you are being so critical of
That’s what I tell people if u want to better your mixes LISTEN LISTEN LISTEN EVEN TO SUCCESSFUL ARTIST MUSIC PLS LISTEN TO THERE MIXES IT WILL HELP U AND THEY ALL LAUGH UNTILL THEY BEG ME TO HELP THEM AND FIX SOMEHTING SO MINOR BRO😂😂
Make sure you're working with music that you enjoy. It's very difficult mixing something that sucks from the start. You'll just end up with a polished turd. And listen to your inner listener. You always know if something sounds good or not, the inner listener never lies. If you spend an entire day mixing something, and it all felt like work you didn't want to do, it probably doesn't sound good to you.
Best advice ever! That is why i could never make a living out of mixing. Well, i have in live sound in a tiny venue with lots of musicians i admire and love, but in a commercial studio? Uuugghh, just the thought of having to spend several weeks on end with some cheesy, heard it a billion times before, generic rock/pop/metal/blues somethingsomething, just so i can afford to pay rent that month, nooooo!
The fact that you couldn't see that this is going to be a worthless video the moment that he said he was goiing to "reveal the secrets" (instant eyeroll) just goes to show that you wouldn't know the difference between good advice and worthless filler even if it hit you in the gooch.@@mysteriousstranger9496
You know, just once I would like to ask one of these pros: "If the equipment doesn't matter, why did you spend $100k on a console?" I'm not saying better equipment is a magic fix. You obviously have to know what you're doing or blowing money on expensive gear is pointless. But as you learn and grow and progress, the quality of your gear does become a limiting factor.
@@michaelcameron6961 Well.....not....okay, so it shouldn't stand in your way or keep you from working/doing things, but if you know what you are doing basically, of course it will sound better through good equipment. I mean, when we recorded our own record some 20 years ago, we were starting out pretty much, had some knowledge, but once we used a nice pre amp and all of a sudden had this massive signal we could then really work with, i mean, we did not learn anything new in those minutes, we just got our hands on a damn fine piece of gear, so to totally negate the inherent quality of certain audio products is a bit misleading or dishonest. But sure, if you know hardly anything, the most expansive gear won't save you.
Let me save y’all some time. Skip to 5:45 watch until 6:40 and then close out of the video. Everything else is a waste of your time, including what comes after 6:40 cause if you don’t know that you’ve probably never made any type of artistic endeavor in your life.
A listener relies on 2 things to enjoy the song...hearing and feeling. What they hear should translate to something they can feel. Good writing is making sure there is something to feel. Good mixing is making sure they hear it.
Hey man, just wanted to give you kudos on this vid. I've been a mixer for 15 years and these are the same conclusions I've come to over time. You've done a great job creating a concise explanation of some extremely important lessons anyone can draw from. Bravo!
This is about how long I’ve been mixing professionally, and I came here to say the same thing. This is one of the most valuable videos on the subject of mixing that I’ve ever seen.
Reaper's automatic track colouring and layout arrangements takes away a lot of the prep hassle. So long as I name and organize recorded tracks, it's a simple drag and drop, arranging track order, adding tempo/time signature markers (if necessary) and then it's straight to mixing. Even when I get files from clients, the file names simply need to contain keywords like kick, tom, cymbal, etc. which I can write myself too before dragging it to the DAW.
I've never mixed anything in my life or touched a mixer, but this video proved to me what I've thought all along...the band/artist, instruments or whatever sound you capture has to be "good" to begin with, the mix can make "good" sound "better", but you will never make something "bad" sound "good" no matter how good the mix is👍
Two guys mixing, and one asks the other to check to see if the needle is into the red on track 12 and the other guy says, "Hold on, and I will get the binoculars", yeh it truly is one massive mixing desk. 🎛
This is true I’ve been recording and producing music for a decade now it’s only been the past year or so I’ve been confident in what I’m doing. In my experience the best thing to do is to work really hard mastering your skills for 2-3 year and then put it all to practice as much as you can. Work with musicians and get feedback from others. The BIG game changer too is to use reference tracks listen to the volume, width, tone everything and if the song is similar to the one you’re working on then copy it. Try to get your mix to sound as close as possible and then you will start to learn how to mix and master properly. From a creative point of view just try stuff, reverse guitar parts, automate a massive reverb on a vocal for one powerful word. Work hard and experiment, don’t think too much about it and if it sounds good it sounds good. Sending love from Glasgow ❤
This video doesn't mention the truly most important: amateur arranging. No mixer can fix amateur material in mixing stage. An amateur mixer can produce an awesome, pro mix if the source material is awesome.
Use your ears, use reference, and stop watching youtube videos for mixing advice unless you're brand new. So much misinformation out there, it's more harmful than good these days.
Even if I had the money I would not buy one of those huge full size physical mixers, I don't really so the point as most DAWs have a similar software one which functions the same. I argue all the time over Software vs Hardware and honestly I don't actually hear much difference.
Good video, thanks for doing this. Would be great if you had video timestamps / markers in there across the video though so I can reference more easily in the future.
Alot of people forget that these guys are working with some of the best artists and equipment. Alot of amateur producers and working with amateur artists, if u ever worked with a great vocalist you really know how easy it is to just sit back and let the artist carry the song
I once saw Dave Gilmore plug his guitar into a 60 dollar zoom fx processor and he still sounds amazing. It's not how deep you fish but how you wiggle your worm's.
Getting past the gear is a good thing. If you can't make it work in the box with stock plugins, that's just your lack of skill (unless it's something extremely specific like a glitch plugin or something), everything else is so insignificant that it doesn't matter at all. I love to break my brain trying to make a mix using only volume and panning, nothing else. I've had to, when I've done stuff in other environments that aren't full DAWs, and it's a great learning experience. It's exactly the same no matter what gear you use. If you then make bus channels and do some very broad eq and dynamics processing on that, that's most likely 98% complete, no 64 band EQ battle needed. A bunch of tracks have nothing on them, other than high or low pass pre fader. Of course it's still my crap mixes, but they suck way less than before.
Goodness gracious. Do you have anything SPECIFIC you have a problem with? And something that needs to be addressed? I’m interested what your counter advice is if it is useful. Or would be that too ‘absolutist’ of me to ask?
@@TarzanHedgepeth I could but you likely would not understand. If you like what he says and how he says it, that is fine.. I know first hand that he is wrong when he says "every producer" does this or that. He is trying to sound like an authority. I see through it.
I understand that we have to have critical hearing but at the same time , I can't help but believe it is the DAW that I use (FL Studio) or the quality of the sounds/VSTs that I use. Example.....I've made a beat the same as I've seen in a tutorial video using the same sounds and the same volume levels. Theirs sound good without plugins while mine sounds like I'm listening to it in walkman headphones lol.
I'm going to need some help understanding the end of the video, with the 2 mixer clips. I can't figure out the differences between them, or even which one you count as the "bad one" :D A lil' help?? c:
When not to do things. I've found that to be true as primarily a guitar player. Playing solo, you feel the need to fill the sonic space, but when you play with a band/group you have to fight that instinct and realize you don't have to be the center of attention. It's okay to strum a cord, or hold that last note in your lick to let it fade out and let the rest of the band fill the space. Sometimes not playing is more impactful than playing because you feel like you're supposed to always be playing. I'm not sure if I really described that all correctly, but I hope someone gets the concept.
There's a comment below me that exclaimed confidently that this video is entirely fluff; nothing but a string of buzzwords. This is entirely ignorant and incondsiderate. I'm brand new to mixing, and the target demographic of this video and it has helped me tremendously be more introspective of my music. In the beginning, it asks the question: What makes mixing sound amatuer? And it entirely answers it in one of the clearest formats I've ever seen. It states the importance of knowing when to edit your track in particular parts and holding back in others. It references the words of an experienced mixer by saying: "Don't make the mix work, make the song work." This concept is particularly helpful to me, and no doubt others who are starting out. These pompous, ignorant, entitled, and inconsiderate muscians below have entirely failed to perceive the simple lesson this video teaches in 8 minutes and 15 seconds. I could care less what anyone says, I think this is a good video for starts and even overthinking experienced mixers alike. Please consider the value of a lesson to different skill levels before making a conjecture.
It's the law of diminishing returns: knowing how to use simpler and cheaper gear to the best they can do, then you have already won the majority of what can be done. You have an awesome mix. Then all that expensive gear is just for that margin of perhaps a few percentages of making something sound even beyond awesome.
Me, I like to close my eyes and visualize the mix in 3d. You know, what and where is everything. I do that all the time in live sound, and it sort of relates to studio mixing. You know, think of bricks in the wall, where does everything fit? Do they interfere anywhere? It may sound stupid, but it seems to work for me.
I agree with the video, not with the thumbail. who knows what source was that and how it sounded before and after? :) You can't really tell by graphics, in the same way you shouldn't expect presets to work on whatever source regardless. Maybe it was a very ringing snare or guitar and cutting all the resonances was better than get rid of everything :D
Nothing makes a track sound murky and amateurish quite like overbaking…which is something I did *a lot* early on. Because you get a lot of advice on how to process individual elements, you subconsciously think “oh ok, that’s what I’m supposed to do” instead of “that’s what I could do if it necessary”. Learning to distinguish “when necessary” is a huge step. Early on, I would completely miss a vocal that was ice picking away with excess 1.6k in an effort to make sure it was compressed properly. As you get better at listening, you get better at hearing what a track actually wants.
Another tip that CLA had that always sticks with me is: (I’m paraphrasing) how does everything thing sound when at 0 with nothing. Another tip Andrew had that sticks with me is: if there’s not a problem with a mix or a sound , don’t make any problems
Fun fact I shot the clip of Bob at 0:59, recognized it immediately. Funny to see my work pop up unexpectedly.
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MY only Tips would be 1. Train you ears as often as you can with good mixes, stems and single tracks. you only know if it is right if you learned how things can work together in a mix and if you can tell if it is good or not 2. You are not perfect, ask for help and a second set of ears. 3. Get great speakers, headphones, and treat your room well. Otherwise you have absolutely no chance in doing it right. "knowing your gear" is a lie, if you measured your speakers once, you can not memorize all the flaws in your room. get your room to sound as neutral as possible and your mixes will sound instantly better.
You can NEVER arrive at a 'great mix' in a sub-par room. The room needs be zero-phase behind the board, FULL STOP, for accurate mixing to be possible. If you don't START there, your mixing endeavors are doomed from the jump. There is no way that you mixing in a bedroom with all that crap in the background could yield accurate sonic results PERIOD. This is the ONE secret you'll never hear spoken by these legendary mixing engineers. Without a phase-accurate environment, your mixes will always sound like demos at best.
@MuzixMaker We went through the painstaking process of rebuilding our terribly inaccurate control room into an "acoustic architect/phase-accurate standard" mixing room and boy, was THAT a DOOZY!!! But the results speak for themselves. Even listening to comps through the system now is enlightening because you can hear things in a phase-accurate environment that you just couldn't hear before. It's absolutely AMAZING!!! The mixes you can arrive at are incredible. Big-boy territory!!!
Ik I commented but revising a mix is so important and I’ll will tell you why.when astroworld by Travis Scott was made travis and his engineer mike dean(Kanye west engineer) went back and revised till the last day before dropping and even when the album dropped while we were listening they still did revisions especially for the stargazing intro because in that song they had to reducing clipping in that song because on the every 8th bar the drums in a specific pattern witll clip and they had to change that on release date but it worked out and astroworld is it what it is today and this is in 2018
As cheesy as it might sound, I had to learn to listen with my feelings, not just my (technical) ears. The song might technically be perfect, all frequencies balanced by the book, panning as expected, volumes matching as they should. But when you listen to the song and nothing is kicking you out of your chair, makes you smile or take a deep breath, makes your thoughts drift away etc., you achieved nothing. Just like a good movie is not determined by the most advanced production technique but by its story.
I try to listen and adapt techniques and advice from novice to pro's on mixing and amalgamate them into my own set of criteria. Not all of what engineer A says can help so yo may need to incorporate what engineer B or C says in this situation. Do not forget you are not mixing the same track as he/she is and therefore the dynamics, instruments the wound quality may vary.
Fully agree with all of them. Subconsciously been doing what the guy at the end who listed the 5 things said, but had never really put them into words in English before. But all those do affect the sound stage. Keep the listener in mind at all times. Definitely test the mix on an old mono speaker, and definitely test it against industry topping tracks in a car, if you can. Thanks for the detailed video!
In my opinion I think the reason why people mixes are amateur is because PEOPLE DONT LISTEN VERY WELL and I will keep sayin this people don’t listen to detail meaning certain texture in vocals and instruments which contribute to the mix2. People rush and don’t go back and revise mixes.3, people don’t listen to there fav artist best work of art production wise as a reference for certain sounds and mixes. For example Ali the engineer that works with Kendrick says he would listen to a Dr.Dre song and use Dre mix to see the mistake in Kendrick mixes or other music.These are the 3 mistakes I think goes over many beginner engineers and people who haven’t mix like that on that level that’s why I tell people LISTEN mixing is a lot of LISTENING and lastly feeling, mix music that also makes u feel because if u can’t feel the song is trash overall even if mixed good🤷🏽♂️I’m keeping it real with y’all
This is a pretty good video filled with things beginners & ppl with G.A.S. need to hear 😎👍 It's kind of a shame most if not all of these topics are big "duh" moments, but the technical side of mixing & mastering seems to overshadow these core but needed philosophies 🤔🤷♂️ The BEST mixing advice ever given to me was that the CORE of mixing was FOCUSED STORYTELLING 🤯 If what you are doing is SERVING THE SONG, then you're a competent mixer. If it's serving your EGO (i.e., the kick sounds great but the mix is trash since it's emotionally dead or ambitious), then regardless of your skill or technique, as a mixer you've FAILED. That transformed EVERYTHING for me 😎👍🎉
You think makers of the past spent countless hours on youtube looking for the magic secret. No, the spent countless hours mixing until their work got to the standard it is today. Of course they took advice from peers, mentors and contemporaries, but they didn't dwell on them. They mixed.
...because Gen Z never read one only book about the theory of acoustics instead of collecting plugins? A friend of mine asks me the same question (how to unmud my mix) for 10 Years. 8 Years ago I gave him for chrismas a Standart Book in Audio engeneering, first Semester. He never toucht it. 3 Weeks ago I took the book and showed him the Section. BTE: The table of contents of the chapter has the footnote: "How to avoid muddy mixes" But I guess he will wait for the Netflix movie adaptation ;-)
A mixers job is to serve the intent of the artist, not play artist with something they didn't create. The best mixers know how to question the artist's, and then deliver what THEY want, at least the ones wanting repeat customers. An example. We, my band, trash binned so many mixes with bs automation on the mix that completely change the "Intent" of the song from our intent. Your a mixer, not an artist, unless asked of course, then you are a mixer/producer.
I love how often you use the only mpc that stayed with me. Workflow - sonics ( do t hate EASki ). Cause I had a copy of your lab - every sp every MPC and o boy, im not going into synth. Didn’t fit my workflow. I love the live ( new gen what ever model. )
Mistake #5 is funny in the sense that even if you as the engineer understand what should be your focus on a song there's always going to be that bass player or drummer asking you to turn them up in the mix masking every other important part 😂
Literally the most trite, cliché poop I've ever heard. It's like... Number 1 - Don't listen... Listen. Number 2 - Never just Mix... Mix Just. Number 3 - Don't turn knobs.... Knob the turns
“Knob the Turns!” 🤣🤣😭 that’s all I’m gonna do from now on. This ONE simple trick changed all my mixes from schmo to pro when I finally “knobbed the turns!!” Heyoooo
I had the honor of working in one of the largest and most important recording/production studios in Italy; I had my own small personal studio.... basically the difference is the studio room itself, a professional soundproofing and you can have a Neve analogue mixer and the best of the best outboards, microphones, converters.... it already is a big step forward. regardless that you have to know how to use the equipment. But...for me, a big chunk of the problem is the physical studio itself and the right monitors. useless making music in the bedroom with the Genelecs attached to the wall and the wardrobe door open...those monitors will never play 100%... today there are planar headphones with their own correction software and you can do a mix in headphones...twenty/twenty-five years ago it was almost impossible.(almost). finally, always in my opinion, you need to be inclined to do a certain activity. like the painter or sculptor who have something extra, or the naturalist explorer truly connected with nature, or the one who makes the bonsai and feels it inside like the plant wants to be cut, the mastering technician is also an artist, and you have to feel this thing inside.you know..
Good sources recorded well will take away 90% of the graft, and it should sound great just by setting levels. If I'm fighting with something for more than 20 minutes trying to get it to sit or sound right, then it needs re-recorded with better playing or through better gear. Clients can be tough though. Especially the ones who want to sound exactly like their favourite album, and they get angry when you tell them that's not a good idea, and it's better to develop their own sound.
Each tip in this video is a billion $$ tip. We spend 95% time on analytical micro details of a mix, whereas it is macro view of the song that that matters.
"This plugin will make your mix instantly sound better" ... "You need this mixing trick in your bag" ... "Every song should use this mixing trick"... the list of catchy titles goes on and on and on. And before you notice you have bought that $100 plugin you will slap on anywhere because you think you need it and your mix still sounds bad. Sure you need the tricks and the plugins. But not in a way people think. You will need some of the plugins and some of the tricks. But only in the right situations and only sometimes. The rest is basic knowledge of what things do and what they don't do, what you want and then experience, experience and some more experience.
"Not about the gear" would be much more plausible if it wasn't coming from people surrounded by all the best gear available. Obviously the gear isn't going to do anything for you if you don't know how and why to use it, but there's also a reason they use the stuff they do.
I hate the patch and effect racks and premade plugins like God Particle and CLA and Drip. Most ppl who claim to mix nowadays don’t know what the plugin they use is even actually doing, let alone the parameters of a basic plugin like a compressor or EQ.
I would say. Make just sounds as great as possible like player or producer invented to Make them...Make as Even or flat eq frequency curve as possible or soundscape from bass to Hi freq Sonic noise...Master The whole track to certain volume level you want AD ADD that frequency boost where is intented to Be 🙂 and that is The use your ears Factor 😃😃😃
Even tho I'm not directly interested in mixing I found this very useful when looking at a particular track of mine that I always felt like something was off. It was missing a variation of something, or sound of something. Just felt Monotoned. This really helped giving me and idea on how to look at it and hear it.
Schepps is the best of the producer guru's he doesnt' gatekeep us like most of the other guys do.. Schepps basically just says to go for it .. other ppl say we need this and that hardware or plugins to make stuff sound good. i find that approach idiotic.. i make multiple genres. and crazy weird game music. not everything needs the same mixes obviously. i get really weird in my productions hehe
