Thanks heuhen, I think you've made a good point there. My brother's wife is German. After he had to fit winter tyres to drive to visit her family, he's been a winter tyres convert and fits them every year. Personally, I can't afford to fit four new tyres twice a year, and I'd only really need them for two or three days a year -- usually.
Good ideas there :P Definitely needed. Here in the UK though, spiked tyres would be a waste, when snow falls its not usually on the roads for more than a day or two afterwards.
This is why during the winter months I strap one of those "bags of sand" used to throw in the back of cars to the cat walk behind the sleeper of the truck. When I get stuck or on ice I open it and throw a few pounds in front and on top of the drives and down the road a little bit and keep on going! It's way cheaper than a tow AND easier than shoveling!OR a 5 gallon bucket of sand works as well. I do keep a flat nosed D handle short shovel under the bunk year round for those just in case moments.
Main problem here in the UK then no road maintenance at winter.I stucked at Wales with a artic lorry this winter around 02 am at night, on the M4, and I haven't seen any snowplough vehlice in the next 6 hours.The M4 was completly white, totaly covered with snow. I want to say thank you for the Police, they came in, and dug me out from the snow.( 3 Police Officers with shovels)
Finally, someone asks! \o/ Thank-you :) It was, IMHO, "not a good idea" to stand on very slippery ice-covered snow immediately behind the tractor unit of a 40-ton articulated lorry shoveling snow. With your back to the 6" high kerb mostly hidden under drifting snow. He was one slip away from losing his legs, or worse.
@ManVersusTechnology Thank you for your cogent and articulate analysis. I can't wait to hear your take on the Eurozone sovereign debt crisis or the situation in Syria!
A lot of people think that, but look at it this way: Winter tyres contain more silica, which stays plyable at lower temperatures (normal road tyres loose performance below 10 degrees, noticeably below 5 degrees). The tread design of winter tyres clears slush and deep water quickly. This makes a winter tyre work very well in cold and wet conditions, and what does it do the most of in the UK? With this in mind, a winter tyre is probably most suitable for 9 months of the year!
Most of us In Norway have to get new tires every year, since our road get a lot of damage from the ice, and that damage a tire a lot. In Norway: you need to learn to do a handbrake start. And feel when you can use power or not. when you lose grip don't stop, just reduce the power..(It's all about feeling) The best drivers in Norway can drive up an icy and wet hill road and still maintain speed! While others try out the vehicle sledding characteristics
Isn't it a balls, My other half had to to that for the last 3 winters too :-( Truck drivers are not given half enough credit. Without them, we would have nothing. Chains on tyres don't always work either. All he got everyday heading out in the truck was a bag of salt to use when needed, and the trusted shovel. Winter just gone was very mild, dreading the coming winter though. (It'd be a lovely country, if we could only roof it!)
when I am talking about winter tires. I am talking about tires with spike in them. Here in Noray we drive on icy roads 30-70% a year. so Normal winter tires that you are thinking about will not work. So we use a winter tires with spikes in them. you have probably seen them on rally cares, just with bigger spikes in them. The Norwegian variant have small spikes that can be used on roads. But we have those that chose the EU-winter tires, and they must always have with them chains.
The thing is, in England we get this weather for one week once a year. So it's pointless for us to buy winter tires and and then take the time to change them.
and there comes in how can really drive a truck, how can not! here I live we have and old trucker that take his truck up the hill from the shipyard on icy road. And that without chains... what he told me is all about felling, when you can apply power and how much. but there is one weird thing I noticed last winter is that some buses that are driving over the mountains have either chains on the rear wheel, or just on chain on the left rear wheel... it's probably for the extra grip.
Looks like temperature is about 0 degrees (Celsius), so snow is very wet and slippery. Especially trucks have serious traction problems with these conditions. But -15 degrees and snowy road is not bad combination at all, you get much more traction than in muddy road or soft sand.
That's the problem, here in the UK, snow (or snow that's heavy enough to cover a main road, anyway) is still thought of as fairly rare. So very few people bother with winter tyres, let alone chains. Half of us don't bother with antifreeze... ;) (It does seem like we're getting more proper snow events these days, maybe something to do with global warming, increased precipitation, the disturbed jetstreams and so on. Or perhaps it's just my imagination.)
Over here in Belgium you can't use them, because they spray salt on the roads and all the snow melts away. Then overnight it all freezes again making it a lot more dangerous. But the governments don't seem to get the point of snowchains..
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There exist a type of winter tire without spikes here in Norway: they are soft, is rougher, a bit like that found on all Terrain vehicles, the difference is that these rough tires are designed for comfort and safe driving in heavy rain or loose snow! This is what you get during winter time in Norway: watch?v=5olYuxLZoMc This one explain very good the Norwegian road or just a part of it: watch?v=Yd7upLkOWrU Note the last one are using standard winter tire, with chains as extra...
Well atleast the carlsberg is gonna be extra cool. Should of had some grit to put down. About 2 tonnes of it. My father puts about 20 bags of grit in the back of his van. To give it more traction with it being rear wheel drive. Plus if he gets stuck he can put some down. Notice how the lorry slowly slides into the man that's digging it out.
@Mazotheman It does help. When you drop it into sec the other tires catch. My grandfather drove a big rig for many many years. He taught me that and so did my mom when driving a stick car. You just have to go slow and be patient...
Thanks Dan, that's interesting,.. I'll go have a read up on them (I see the wikipedia article's called 'Snow tires') and maybe I'll get them at the next change (had to have four new in the last couple of months; I don't drive that far, so they should be OK until after the summer, at least.)
@bbaker904 Interesting... the main reason this truck's stymied by a couple of inches of (wet / sticky) snow is that snowy conditions are so rare in the UK. We've had a couple of good (snowy :) ) winters recently, but it can easily be 5 or 10 years until the next significant fall. Not only are the trucks lacking chains or twin axles, drivers often have little recent experience of driving in snowy conditions.
It's easy if you try. I hope some day you will join us, and post some drying paint or a 15 minute sequence of a bit of sky with a tree at the bottom. Er, or something
It's not so pointless when you stuck and that those tyres can save your life ;) it's fucked up for just few weeks, I get what you saying, but still you should be prepared as a driver. God Bless my friend.
I have an idea what they should of done, give everyone in the tail back of traffic a can of Carlsberg each, this would of lighten the lorry, helping it move!
If everybody would get good winter tires and even more imporant learn how to drive in these conditions it would be a lot better. It's the same problem over here in Holland
Buenas yo soy un camionero español aunque aqui en España,mas concretamente en Andalucia no existe tanto hielo en la carretera creo que fallo que tubo este compañero es que deberia haber aprovechado la inercia del peso del vehiculo para dejarse de caer hacia atras avisando a los demas conductores con las emergencias del vehiculo y previo aviso con el claxón coger impulso y coger la curva en rampa por el lado derecho asi evitaria el embotellamiento
@SuperBigblue19 They don't use chains in the UK where this was, over in countries that get more snow like Norway it's a legal requirement to carry chains on anything over 3.5ton from end of october til around easter. But they also don't use the same types of tyres in the UK where snow is less common, hence the harder tyres slide much more on the slippy stuff.
У меня была своя снег лопатой! Я только что выкопали одну сторону 50-метровой дороге к дому моей семьи, у меня было две минуты разорвать повернулся и начал очистку другой стороне нашей полосе.
@imipak23 Thank you, Carlsberg hero, for overcoming all of those nearly insurmountable obstacles to shakily bring us this wonder of modern cinema. We are forever in your debt.
@imipak23 You two were funny, that was the most mellow "argument" I've ever seen on here. If more people were this polite on RU-vid, it would be a more pleasant place to go. I am a truck driver also, and this video makes me very happy for the mild winter in my area this year...
from a specific date to a another specific date we get information from police through media that it's time to use winter tire, If you have installed winter tire from that date you will get a very nice ticket from the police! Some cites in Norway that almost never have snow and ice forbid use of spiked tires and want people to use standard wintertires. but if you move North in Norway... there are cars even equipped with chaines! In summer time you use normall summer tire.
@04smallmj Yeah, believe me, I know. We have like six months of it a year where I live. But when my vehicle won't go forward any more, I back up a bit and try again. At the very least, I'd back up and get over to the side so the other cars could get past me. Digging from in front of the tire only helps if the truck will move at ALL. If it's plain stuck, moving snow from in front won't help. With a car, you can give it a push, get it moving to the fresh snow, but not a rig like that. I'd reverse.
Probably because they don't get the same amount of snow as you do in Norway.It was probably a freak snowfall that people in these countries aren't prepared for.If you live in a country where it snows a lot in winter then you`re used to it and its something you`ll be better prepared for.
Puesto que contrarrestaria el efecto patinaje con el desnivel de la carretera si se fijan de menor pronunciación en el lado derecho que en lado izquierdo,SALUDOS DESDE ANDALUCIA ESPAÑA
anche qui un autotreno camion e rimorchio avrebbe potuto tranquillamente fare inversione. Inoltre con la neve di sicuro era più stabile non essendo l'asse motrice così sovraccarico senza considerare anche i più piccoli avvallamenti stradali che complicano la vita a questo tipo di veicolo. Di certo consuma di più ma nell'unica volta che quello passava , non solo recuperava , ma portava la merenda ai pupi che aspettavano . Era capitato pure a me nel campo delle auto e relativa trazione
@QP300 what i havent seen in any comments to this video is that he may also be empty... no weight on the trailer over the drive wheels and of course he will be spinning all day.....
You're probably right, but we'll have to land a cryobot capable of melting down through 25km of ice and transmitting signals back to the surface and thence to Earth to be certain.
we in Norway is laughing hard: stopped by just some cm with snow.... when shall they learn that there exist winter tires for trucks and cars. By law in Norway, you must have on winter tire during winter time in Norway. and this winter tire is not the same as those you get in rest of Europa, those tires are we calling summer tire!!
@yorkshiretractors the one I took 2 minutes after this is a bit scarier, the guy with the shovel looks like he's about to get squished between the trailer & the wall or could easily slip & fall under the wheels...
P.S. Now I come to think of it, part of my motivation for filming this scene in the first place is that, having dug a number of commercial vehicles out of snowdrifts and eased them up and down snowy hill roads, I know how to do it. Those two clearly haven't a clue about driving on snow, and the bloke with the shovel is, repeatedly, seconds from getting squished, into the bargain.
They've got it all wrong. When in that predicament, with a truck load of beer,,you need to pop a few, stand back to assess the situation, come up with a plan (after a few more) then proceed.
The lorry doesn't need to be moving fast if he's slipped on the icy compacted snow, or tripped against the kerb that he doesn't realise is there. It just needs to move a bit quicker than he can scrabble out of the way. (Also, see the other vid I shot of the same scene; YT won't let me post a link, but if you click the "imipak23" to get to my other amazingly dull videos where nothing happens :) you should see it. I seem to remember it shows up there too.)
Some activities are riskier than others. There are perhaps a dozen people killed by sharks off beaches a year. The number of people killed or injured by slipping under cars, buses, lorries etc is quite a bit bigger. He got away with it in this case: he didn't slip and he wasn't crushed. But every time he decides to stand 50 cm behind a massive wheel on a slippery surface with an unseen trip hazard just behind him, he's taking a chance. Maybe next time he was crushed. Maybe not. Cheers! *clink*
The video is, as you say, pretty dull, uneventful, unfunny and not very entertaining. There's a simple reason for that: I didn't upload it for those reasons, I uploaded it to show a couple of friends & family how that day's snow was round our way. *I* didn't ask you to waste 53 valuable seconds watching it, but I'm sorry you found it an unrewarding use of your time. nevertheless. And finally... people have taken a dislike to me? No, a lot of people have clicked "dislike" about the *video*,[..]
