Problem With The Joker

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@comicstorian 11 месяцев назад

Still testing the best day to release these, next two are Problem with Injustice and Problem With Ultimate Universe if your curious.

@kingshadow8782 11 месяцев назад

Thanks Benny!

@kingshadow8782 11 месяцев назад

Happy Saturday!

@jarrodgoforth1257 11 месяцев назад

Yeah he shows up to much

@angels8920 11 месяцев назад

Are you more DC or Marvel comicstorian

@IceColdPistol 11 месяцев назад

Very excited for the Problem with Injustice video!

@Mr.DelicateTouch 11 месяцев назад

I agree that the Joker has lost some of his mystique due to how overexposed he is and how many stories delve deep into his psychology, but I also think a lot of his writing across multiple mediums have forgotten what in large part made him a fun villain. They’ve forgotten “The Clown Prince of Crime” aspect of the character. He uses joy buzzers, exploding pies, poison flowers, laughing gas, BANG flag guns, exploding Jack In The Boxes, ect. He kills people whenever he finds it funny and plays it up with clown theatrics for “style.” His jokes are the type that make you feel like a terrible person for laughing at them. He’s not someone who preaches about order, chaos, and “we live in a society!” He’s not some edgelord who cuts off his own face to wear it as a mask. He’s a clown and criminal mastermind with an unpredictable nature that makes him a wildcard for practically anyone. Yet I feel that all we get nowadays is a bunch of edgy attempts at emulating Heith Ledger in some way, which I find especially annoying because while he did a phenomenal job acting wise, I didn’t feel that he was the actual Joker. He just kinda felt like a terrorist in clown makeup, at least to me anyway. I’d like to see Joker just completely shelved as a character in all media for like 5-10 years, which would make his inevitable return all the more satisfying, but I know that’s never going to happen, so Batman stories like a horror one with Man-Bat or Clayface as the main villain would be cool to see while other stories use the Joker.

@Bungycb 11 месяцев назад

The problem with the joker is that he’s a one dimensional villain with no depth who batman fangirls like to hype up as the best villains in comics lol

@Mr.DelicateTouch 11 месяцев назад

@@Bungycb I agree that Joker himself isn’t that deep but what makes him a good villain is his dynamic with Batman. Bruce represents order and justice while Joker is the embodiment of chaos and anarchy. That’s a good dynamic that can lead to a lot of fun interactions.

@Hadeks_Marow 11 месяцев назад

I agree, the problem isn't that they are exploring his character. It's that they are exploring the LACKING of his character that they have fumbled. Like, take The Killing Joke. That joker actually had motive. It showed that moment to moment, he believes in acting on what you think is fun or on what you want/desire, no exceptions. But he also has a deeper ego where he believes that his methodology is the only true sanity. It's WHY he does the joy buzzers, the laughing gas. The theatrics. . . are fun to him. He IS about "fun". The problem with the modern day take is. . . they aren't exploring him as a character, that "ambition for fun". Like, I get it, his nightmare is a world without fun. . . but becoming the batman??? Really? Now your just playing with fan service by forcing it to be about their dichotomy rather than about the character himself. He RELATES to batman, so I wouldn't exactly say him becoming batman would be his nightmare. If anything, making it about that AVOIDS exploring how he copes in a world without fun. He just. . . gives up. No fight, no struggle, no desperate attempts to make himself laugh, no depression when the smile just won't come out. They rushed to the 9 to 5 job aspect too quickly and had no where to go with it. Jokers Night Terror should have been about him going to war against a no-fun world. . . one where he is constantly losing. . . but doesn't stop trying. Where his sick and twisted smiles are just. . . seen as mundane.

@sboinkthelegday3892 11 месяцев назад

Desperately just needing the novelty factor is already what makes EVERYTHING lame, if you have taste. Without relying on surprising the readers with telenovela twists, a good writer could go into what we DO know about the Clown archetype and use that to make commentary on what that means: but then audiences would just start hating the stories because it takes actual skill to write, like Superman, so they think Superman is a boring character because good stories seek PAST the "problem" of finding a villain to punch and how to punch them. In reality Batman stories are already dealing with the same issue with Batman's infinite prep time glitch, but some "readers" (in loose sense) like that BECAUSE it's part of the power fantasy. And they hate the disempowerment fantasy, of finding actual problems that even Superman can't solve, and then finding the solutions. I like Superman because EVERY good Superman story, is about higher values than 'might makes right', he has no room to BE about 'how' to be mighty. Poison Ivy could be relaunched as the symbol of boundaries and forbidden zones. Because Clowns are the ultimate symbol of trespassing, they're based on raconteur Arlecchino, namesake of Harlequin. And the use of clown paint is honestly pretty hateful AMerican circus tradition of having an acceptable target, a drunk with pale face and rosy cheeks, to just abuse in public. That's the joke, that's the joke that modern audiences really don't GET because they have zero clue of this history of their own culture. Except, they still remember the color swap of a black clown face, and STILL blame it on the make-up and NOT on their OWN crude history. That's also why Asia still has mocking stereotypes like the Mandarin bureaucrats of Bruce Lee movies, which is kinda like a top-hat wearing capitalits or the Western undertaker followed by vultures. Because they can HANDLE it, when they UNDERSTAND it. You can only handle whiteface clown BECAUSE it's flat and flanderized and removed from context.

@jlev1028 11 месяцев назад

@@Hadeks_MarowI thought the way Joker pretends to be the Dark Knight in The Batman was funny. He acts like a deliberate parody, targeting trivial crimes like jaywalking and buying 11 items in a 10 item lane.

@DarthArachnious 11 месяцев назад

My problem with modern Joker is, his crimes aren't ironic, constituting a joke. In his first appearance, he killed men who were considered untouchable. The more security they had the easier it was to kill them. The HBO audio drama did a crime where Joker poisoned someone, mailed him the cure. Knowing he wouldn't open the box. The man ran as far away from the thing that would save his life. To Joker, that's funny. That's what I expect from Joker. Except for a few examples. We haven't seen it since the seventies.

@treek10k 10 месяцев назад

Jesus Christ died for your sins on the cross. Repent and believe in him or you will be separated from God The Father for all eternity and face hell forever, for all eternity, never ending.

@ripleyjlawman.3162 10 месяцев назад

Time to game end and find out that sky parent isn’t real.

@Griggboat 10 месяцев назад

Yeah I liked that mail cure one 😂😂there’s a few more examples though I’d say that are after the 70s

@Bluesit32 11 месяцев назад

The problem with the Joker is that he isn't varied anymore. It's all about killing. I remember when Joker wanted to make a movie "starring" Batman. Would people die? Yeah, probably, but he was really trying to make a movie with every intent on getting it into theaters. That's crazy... that's the Joker. And he just doesn't do it anymore.

@marksunboxingzone 10 месяцев назад

The bad thing is that most of Batman's enemies have been reduced to just being mass murderers. The few that are just robbing jewelry stores or whatever, like the Riddler at times, are treated as jokes. It's all mob bosses and serial killers now, just with colorful (sometimes) costumes. I think the only thing that sets Joker apart from most of the other serial killers is with the exception of maybe Bane, Joker is the only one that seeks to purposely make Batman and his friend's lives a living hell. All the other go about their business and have some sort of plan 'in case Batman shows up', but the Joker is directly seeking out Batman on purpose.

@scottwerner279 3 месяца назад

@@marksunboxingzoneI’m with you there. Where are the elaborate crimes, the detective stuff? Not everything has to be about destroying Gotham

@OptimusMaximusNero 11 месяцев назад

8:25 *Sad fact:* The large number of deaths Bruce suffered at the hands of Emperor Joker traumatized him so much that Superman had to erase his memory to return him to normal.

@echo.comics7441 11 месяцев назад

I really enjoyed how the Joker was missing for the first part of the New 52 and after a while he showed up and it felt like a big deal and I was like “Oh shit it’s about to go down”. Haven’t had that feeling in a while cause he never is away for more than a week

@DavidMartinez-ce3lp 11 месяцев назад

Agreed. I've also been wanting them to do a much more sadistic serial killer type Joker in the live action movies. One that is capable of killing Jason Todd and paralyzing Batgirl.

@cnarylmaz998 11 месяцев назад

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lpThat seems to be what Matt Reeves is going for with his version of the joker

@Bungycb 11 месяцев назад

The problem with the joker is that he’s a one dimensional villain with no depth who batman fangirls like to hype up as the best villains in comics lol

@strifenineteen 11 месяцев назад

@bigchung1678 but he isn't really, at least he's not supposed to be. One minute he's trademarking fish, the next he's beating Jason Todd with a crowbar and blowing up his body. That's what Benny's talking about.

@DimkaSulegnaa 11 месяцев назад

@@strifenineteenignore them, just copy/pasting the same comment to other comment threads like a bot

@antoniofinotti8877 10 месяцев назад

Hes actually got a point... Ive never really thought about it but it makes sense. Id also say the joker is like gold. The more rare he is the more valuable

@OptimusMaximusNero 11 месяцев назад

Imagine a parallel universe in which the Joker actually died forever in his first appearance, with the Mad Monk becoming Batman's nemesis instead. It would be TRULY an interesting reality

@darkservantofheaven 11 месяцев назад

deja vu.....i swear Ive seen this coment before.....I especially because as much as I am a batman fan, Im a huge vampire fan. Batman vs Vampires is always gonna be cool (Total missed oppurtnity with DC vs Vampires to not include Mad Monk)

@Bungycb 11 месяцев назад

The problem with the joker is that he’s a one dimensional villain with no depth who batman fangirls like to hype up as the best villains in comics lol

@GeekNewz 11 месяцев назад

@@Bungycb he doesn't need depth. His entire shtick is being chaos incarnate. Batman's logic vs Joker's chaoticness is what people hype up. If Batman is the logical crazy guy with depth, then Joker is the guy who would tell him that he is just another crazy person and proceed to try to prove his point by creating another one (more or less killing joke) villains don't need to be multidimensional, they just need to be used properly to further the narrative

@shauntempley9757 11 месяцев назад

@@GeekNewz Correct, and, in DC's case, Joker has been used correctly the most of any villain.

@Zyhery 11 месяцев назад

Mad Monk killing Jason? That is something I don't want to imagine.

@darkmask5933 11 месяцев назад

You keep saying BTAS only had the acid vat with zero context, but Batman: The Animated Series pretty firmly established that their Joker is former mob driver Jack Napier, he was a cruel man who loved to hurt people and one day decided to try and break off on his own to become his own mob boss, only for his first job on his own at Ace Chemicals to go sideways because of Batman.

@robmarsh918 3 месяца назад

I was thinking the same thing. I think the issue is that people don’t really see Mask of the Phantasm as part of the BTAS. It definitely feels separate for some reason. Bruce Wayne didn’t feel like Batman - the idea that he would give up the cowl for a woman is just not him. The movie just doesn’t come off as canon.

@sagepirotess6312 11 месяцев назад

Honestly as a kid, and adult. The equal to batman to me was always the riddler. Joker in Adam west was ok. But making him a mass killer, just do things for shock value is meh. Riddler test the kid amd adults mind. And doesn't have to do insane things.

@StoneAxeArky 11 месяцев назад

The Joker's dependence on Batman to exist and have a purpose is definitely a result of Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns. It's amazing and interesting how pervasive that take on the character has been, with Scott Snyder's run on Batman, the Lego Batman Movie, and the White Knight universe definitely furthering how integral that aspect of the character is. I only wish both the comics and associated media like the movies would take a break from using the Joker for a while, though I don't see that happening any time soon.

@DataDrain02 11 месяцев назад

There was some element of this in the animated series too. When he thought some Joe Schmoe killed Batman. "Without Batman, crime has no punchline...." And then he tried to kill the guy who "killed" Batman.

@jlev1028 11 месяцев назад

He's been like that since the '70s.

@JokerFan-hj4iv 11 месяцев назад

I totally agree the joker is literally called the joker because he’s supposed to be the wildcard. He doesn’t just cause chaos his whole personality is chaotic. My favorite version of joker was written by Grant Morrison because he has this brilliant idea that joker has no true personality his motives change every day to the point that not even joker knows what he’s going to do next he just goes with whatever seems funny at the time. That also explains why some stories he really seems to be determined to kill Batman once and for all and suddenly be like nah let’s keep going.

@Ash-Winchester 11 месяцев назад

"You can't call batman sane when he dresses up in a bat costume and runs around beating up on poor people." This is just one of the many reasons why I prefer anarky over batman in terms of DC heroes. Batman fights the poor whereas anarky fights *for* the poor. Hell, one of anarky's allies is literally a homeless man who lost his legs in vietnam and has to wheel himself around on a cart.

@OptimusMaximusNero 11 месяцев назад

"I don't know what it was that bent your life out of shape, but maybe...I've been there too" Such a powerful line. I am glad Alan Moore, despite having already broken his relationship with DC due to the copyright issues of "Watchmen", decided to still complete "The Killing Joke" as a personal favor to Brian Bolland. Anyway, I didn't like how "Three Jokers" made the Joker's origin in that story 100% canon, as it ruins great part of the mystery that surrounds the character, and also revealed that Batman knew his true identity from the beginning

@lucastheprinceofdarkness9344 11 месяцев назад

I’m not gonna lie. I have a completely different opinion on the Joker. While he is a great foil for Batman, outside of being an unpredictable wildcard, there’s nothing else to the character. This is in part because there’s barely anything to go on about the Joker. Nowadays, we seem to be drowning in details of Joker’s background and character that most people are convinced that it ruins the character as a whole. I however, like backstories and extra detail put into the Joker. As far as I care, the Joker not having a past whatsoever is getting stale. On top of that, Joker is being used obnoxiously too much too often. In truth, current comics barely focus on Batman’s other great that also deserve their time in the spotlight.

@MilleniumKage 11 месяцев назад

That’s why I like what Williamson did with Reverse Flash, it felt like he was getting a lot more overexposure in recent years, especially with him being behind almost everything, and Williamson sent him off in a way that I’m ok if they never touch the character again, his story has neatly wrapped up

@theoutsiderjess4869 11 месяцев назад

Reverse Flash is my favorite Pettiest villain

@jlev1028 11 месяцев назад

Ironically, he's overexposed in the CW show. Seriously, Eobard makes an appearance every freakin' season.

@edd2184 11 месяцев назад

The episode that will always be in my memory. Is when joker has to pay that massive amount of money back to the IRS. I remember asking my dad what the IRS was and why he laughed so hard. He basically told me one day I would understand. Fast-forward I remember getting my first job and I was just multiplying the hours in my head. Thinking about how much that first paycheck was going to be, I was going to buy.. I ripped open that envelope, and just stood there staring at everything they took from my check. But like joker basically said you could run rampant through Gotham, fight Batman, but there is one organization you do not take on 😂

@treek10k 10 месяцев назад

Jesus Christ died for your sins on the cross. Repent and believe in him or you will be separated from God The Father for all eternity and face hell forever, for all eternity, never ending.

@alvincarter7203 11 месяцев назад

Honestly the main issue with joker is that he's oversaturated and that redhood and Batman haven't killed him yet

@Bungycb 11 месяцев назад

The problem with the joker is that he’s a one dimensional villain with no depth who batman fangirls like to hype up as the best villains in comics lol

@alvincarter7203 11 месяцев назад

@@Bungycb gonna have to disagree with you on that

@odd-dev 11 месяцев назад

@@alvincarter7203joker existent is an insult to batman due to joker makes him look incompetent and shit at his job and makes annoyed that he survived omega beams but not a skinny ass guy

@eduardopantoja9115 10 месяцев назад

@@odd-devto be fair, Joker has that prep time nonsense like Batman since he has taken down the justice league on a few occasions

@batmantrill1180 10 месяцев назад

I like the joker he’s one of my favorite Batman villains but they need to start focusing on the other villains like two face,penguin,mr freeze,and lot more.

@Fallensun-gf5po 10 месяцев назад

I would love to see a Problem with scarecrow video in the future potentially, he’s more of a vessel for his fear toxin than in actual character in most stories I feel.

@knoober3756 11 месяцев назад

Personally, when they decided to give him his own book is when they ruined the joker. He’s starting to loose the reason when he’s the greatest Batman villain. Exactly your point where he’s just around for no reason. That’s why you create new villains like they did in the 70’s and those villains are now iconic to the rogues. Joker doesn’t need to be in every Batman story

@TevyaSmolka 11 месяцев назад

I personally think the joker is a bit over exposed and instead of letting him take a break Dc keeps over exposing him in way to much at least in my opinion.

@carlanderson5068 11 месяцев назад

I think what you are describing with the Joker is very similar to the problem you encounter when people try to depict Lovecraftian horrors in movies. You just can't make an actual movie version that's as horrifying as my (in the royal sense, not just me personally) imagination can come up with based upon the description. We may each read the same description for Cthulhu, but I guarantee we each have a different idea in our heads of what it looks like based upon that written description. If you explain to much about The Joker, he becomes mundane and the same for every person. He loses the unique aspects that would be part of my mental concept that come from my specific idea of The Joker.

@sidtheviciouscritic7292 11 месяцев назад

I hate when ever Joker crosses the line like with Barbara Gordon and Jason Todd and even the whole stapling his face back on his well face.

@themilkman5004 11 месяцев назад

My problem is that people are trying to emulate the death in the family/endgame from Scott Synder run and barely giving it the same impact that story had.

@robbierotten2024 11 месяцев назад

I think some things being part of his personality and predicable are good, so long as they aren’t like what the entire character is based off of. The idea of him trying to prove that “all it takes is one bad day” is great, so long as he doesn’t become the villain who shows up to try to prove that all it takes is one bad day every single comic book. It’s especially good because it doesn’t reveal anything about the Jokers origins or make him less chaotic because it’s so open ended

@shirouemiya1650 10 месяцев назад

I'm so exhausted of the joker that if they keep using him I'll just wish they erase him for a while.

@shadesmcf 11 месяцев назад

I really like the Joker as a Villain. I like the one line that Joker says about his backstory, that he prefers it to be multiple choice since it doesnt really matter regarding what he tries to do. I also love that one line from batman which is along the lines, "The Jokers plans only makes sense to himself." Since no one can really know what hes thinking no matter how hard they try. It all really makes the Joker a real good mystery since he could go from something comedically sinister to terrifyingly psychotic and even a good mix of both. The Joker stories that hint at who he is at his core really have been giving him a definite background, which i think they could remedy by throwing a random bit of conflicting information. It is starting to lose that impact of "you dont know whats gonna happen next." Like a clown doing tricks. Its that wild factor that makes the joker scary and the mystery of who he actually is elevates it since i think the premise of "one bad day can turn you into someone like the Joker" is good cause in the end who he was doesnt matter. Knowing all that takes the joker down a peg into what happened with the batman who laughs. We know everything about that character and what he could be capable of hence why the batman who laughs was regarded as a real good villain, but then was over used and written out. The joker on the other hand, we know what hes done but we can never say for certain how far or what he will do next if we dont know what he is thinking to do, but we can guess cause its not like hes gonna pull out a long barrel gun at random that pushes out a flag that says boom, when in reality it was a trigger for a bomb elsewhere. That level of unpredictability thats also goofy has been set aside to keep him sinister and it will just end up being flanderized or over used like the batman who laughs.

@jjonahjamerson6765 11 месяцев назад

You could argue that movies like Joker simply add to the fog that surrounds The Joker's origins because even the ending to that movie is left somewhat ambiguous but what we're getting... I'm not a huge fan with the direction that they're taking The Joker in. Regardless of what anybody thinks I'd hope we can all agree that we need more classics such as 'The man who Laughs', 'The killing Joke', Devil's advocate' and 'Going Sane', that's what I really want

@odd-dev 11 месяцев назад

honestly if I could I would delete joker

@jjonahjamerson6765 11 месяцев назад

@@odd-dev Why?

@jjonahjamerson6765 11 месяцев назад

Classic Harley before she separated from The Joker and went with Ivy was way better

@jknetwork6211 11 месяцев назад

So you down with her being a victim? Cool

@jjonahjamerson6765 11 месяцев назад

@@jknetwork6211 Well in one sense I think She works as a cautionary tale to people that are in that sort of thing but in another sense ever since she's just become a crappy Deadpool ripoff

@jknetwork6211 10 месяцев назад

@@jjonahjamerson6765it’s better than her being an abuse victim. Get real

@jjonahjamerson6765 10 месяцев назад

@@jknetwork6211 The world isn't a fairytale idiot. You get real

@csw3287 11 месяцев назад

As Jim Cornette would say: "How can We Miss You, if You Never go away?"

@mdtisthebest6249 10 месяцев назад

Yay! Wrestling fan!

@OptimusMaximusNero 11 месяцев назад

*Fun fact:* The makeup that the Joker applies to himself in the tgumbnail is from the brand "Nostalgia", created by Adrian Veidt/Ozymandias

@sethbennedetti753 10 месяцев назад

I personally think that there's a certain mythology and Mystique around the Joker that writers think they need to pay some kind of homage to. He has so many interpretations and portrayals in Media, that it kind of distracts from the fact that he is and always has been just another Batman villain until more recent works. I don't think he's all that special or compelling because of some hit-and-run writing strategy, I genuinely think it just comes from some writers write good Joker stories and some writers write bad jover stories

@cooperyoung7206 10 месяцев назад

Benny, you are the most amazing comic book fan I’ve ever seen. You care so much about what you do, and it shows in your work. You make sure all of your fans get exactly what they’re looking for when they come to your channel. I hope you love what you do as much as we love watching! Stay awesome brother

@daniellevy2272 11 месяцев назад

4:07 That's one of the best things about Joker that almost no one, not even himself, gets-- The Joker is a hypocrite! He says nothing has any meaning and morality doesn't matter, yet he finds some sort of sadistic yet almost beautiful meaning in Batman Perfect characters.

@Panthror 11 месяцев назад

Well, they can always just ret-con things. "Oh, no, no, that wasn't the Joker, that was just some imposter. THIS is the Joker."

@nobodyexceptme7794 11 месяцев назад

Benny out here looking like attitude era Hardy Boyz. Living his best life. Salute!

@char1194 11 месяцев назад

I think if Joker ever gets too much of a character, it wouldnt be too hard to reset him through some sort of traumatic event. Maybe he overdoses on fear toxin which warps his insanity to a new unknown or any other number of ways to affect his mind. After which they could demonstrate the difference by having him consistently do "out-of-character" actions that drive the point home that he's unpredictable again. I'm not too worried tbh

@natewhite8625 11 месяцев назад

As much as it frustrates me the Joker has to be essentially an enigmatic force of nature. If he becomes fleshed out as a person then he loses the impossible to catch mystery to him. I agree with everything you said honestly and I've gotten frustrated with how randomly strong or smart the Joker is but that's how he has to be.

@writerartist6306 11 месяцев назад

I agree to an extent but the Elseworld known as White Knight does a good job of challenging that argument.

@karmabum21 11 месяцев назад

Couldnt agree more. Comics do this every time a character gets a little popularity. Suddenly they are everywhere. It happened with Harley, Wolverine, Deadpool and a bunch others. I'm glad Marvel got the hint and shelved Magneto and Apocalypse for a while. They aren't characters that need to be present all the time

@erickdraven4810 10 месяцев назад

My favorite description of The Joker was in a comic that was giving The Trickster p.o.v. "When villains want to scare each other they tell Joker stories."

@SkyeBerryJam 11 месяцев назад

Batman vs Joker isn't insanity vs sanity, it's chaos vs order

@yobwoc1000 11 месяцев назад

Cool series Benny. Probably your best work right now.

@DavidMartinez-ce3lp 11 месяцев назад

New 52 Joker in the Endgame plot was probably my favorite take on him. Truly terrifying and felt unstoppable.

@Bungycb 11 месяцев назад

The problem with the joker is that he’s a one dimensional villain with no depth who batman fangirls like to hype up as the best villains in comics lol

@chino19963 11 месяцев назад

@@Bungycbyou can continued to repeat that in every comment but that’s not going to make it true 😂🤡

@Bungycb 11 месяцев назад

@@chino19963 truth hurts lol

@chino19963 11 месяцев назад

@@Bungycb not really, it just seems like you are just desperate trying to convince everyone by repeating your comment on everywhere 😂🤡

@Resident4Island 11 месяцев назад

This guy and his comment's how Joker is one dimensional bro . He doesn't realize The Joker motivation is not power, he doesn't want to take over the world, not petty theif.There is a reason why Joker became popular to this day beacuse chaos and nihilism all the way back in 1941 show's how Joker stand's the test of time in term's of motivation's . Where mayority of bad guy's want to take over the world epeacially in Marvel it's kinda refreshing to see Joker once again. I love how Joker burn's on the pile of cash and says this town deserves a better class of criminal He spit's on the face of Dr Doom, Sauron, Palpatine and 99 percent pf villain's of fiction.

@557deadpool 11 месяцев назад

I genuinely think we need to have a story that kills the Joker and just have that stick for a long time like Barry Allen neing dead. We need a Joker break

@xansay 10 месяцев назад

Ngl I really enjoy these videos. These videos are the reason I got back into watching this channel on a weekly basis

@1980Shadowwolf 11 месяцев назад

We also seen what happened to the Joker if he ever did kill the Batman in The animated series where Sid the Squid did in everyones mind kill the bat. Joker even had a funeral service for Batman and try to avenge Batman at the same time.

@ashtiboy 11 месяцев назад

jokers real goal is we just wants atttenson all the time to the point to batman dismay when it becomes very deadly.

@lesliejacoby9137 11 месяцев назад

You know I find it funny people blame Batman for joker being alive yet they dont blame the Justice system of Gotham . . . . or any other living being. Like hows is it his fault when the world fails in taking action you know 😅.

@user-rx8jj1bb8q 11 месяцев назад

I think they're more than likely are going to do the multiverse thing to explain the different Jokers. But you are spot-on as far as them diluting the idea of the Joker. Big fan Bro I watch your videos all the keep up the good work 💯

@levarmoore3404 11 месяцев назад

In my opinion there missed up by giving us his identity. That was a good part of why the character was so dangerous

@GLprime1 11 месяцев назад

Nah i think Poison Ivy is fine, you telling me you never fell for someone head over heels and changed your entire persona just to blend with them? this is her "college years". But once that breakup happens i think a lot will suffer. i felt the same way with Wolverines Origin, i loved the mystery behind the character once it was reveled he became less special in that sense.

@notmyrealname4488 11 месяцев назад

Problem with a lot of popular characters is that they're too popular and too profitable

@TheGilgameshLore 10 месяцев назад

I do appreciate these videos

@LeoNxL2Hx 11 месяцев назад

The real issue is with someone like the joker, who’s been in comics for a long time, things have to CHANGE. Like the idea of his “mysterious past” had to be explored, even if it’s good or bad, people will complain about it. At some point in comics, you need to either kill a character off or you have to explore them, or you’ll have fans asking for the same shit consistently. Like in the 90s/early 2000s, fans wants more from the joker and now that we are getting more, some fans hate what we got, others like it, and others are indifferent. You aren’t going to always win in comics. You gotta try different ideas, but that’s the beauty of comics, they have a status quo, no matter how much you change or explore a character, you always have the ability to reboot it or retcon it(like it or not). I for one love all the stuff with the joker, from the man who stopped laughing to the 3 jokers to even the new ideas like the Batman who laughed. You have to have these things happen, or else things just get boring. Just look at Carnage right now. He’s like marvels joker, wasn’t used much but now, they are exploring more and more of him, good or bad(it’s been fucking good tho!!) we are getting more

@jlev1028 11 месяцев назад

The real problem is he's milked to death.

@mackthisarrowhearth295 10 месяцев назад

Having a Joker after the nightmare needing a break from Batman, that makes a lot of sense.

@hkaayaakuu 11 месяцев назад

3:16 batmans iconic villain can be so 1 dimensional that lets the invention of newer bad guys every decade or so. The victim syndicate, courtowls, leviathan, etc

@jihadx5307 10 месяцев назад

Joker has already been ruined & desperately needs a hiatus.

@OLBICHL 11 месяцев назад

good point... the whole mysticism of the joker is fading away when they push him too often into the stage light... let other villains shine for a bit... or let's have a batman movie where he's not fighting a villain but just petty crimes and helping kids, families or civilians go through rough times... if that's too boring then let the story be about a young lad entering the crime scene only to be stopped by batman and becoming the new robbin... lets see batman's tutoring through the new robin's eye

@darthlazurus4382 10 месяцев назад

For me, the big problem with Joker is fucking Joker Immunity. I get that Batman cannot kill him, he has his own issues, but who says anyone else can't? Who says he cannae cause his own death, through arrogance or a mistake or even just bad luck? Just let him die. Once that happens, there are still plenty of stories that can be told about the Late Joker. Joker needs Batman. Batman doesn't need Joker.

@baki484 11 месяцев назад

I've had my fill of the joker. Seriously there are others. Honestly Ra's Al Ghul, Shiva (he can't beat her head on so he has to think of other ways to stop her), Bane and Silver monkey these guys would be better. Physical, psychological and mental challenge.

@zhanejones5228 10 месяцев назад

Off-Topic: I'd love a 'The Problem with Martian Manhunter.'' He's such a fun character, but I feel like he gets sidelined for everything. Like someone on Parr with the higher tiers of the league and has a pacifism mentality but never fights. Even in movies most of the times he regulated to Watchtower or just one fight. Oh but one thing I've seen throughout the comments is a consensus on how Joker went from Funny random wild card who can and does whatever he wants. To I'm insane in the sense of I'm here just to torment this one guy. If I don't exist this whole relationship crumbles. I want to ruin him in the sense if breaking him mentally. Which can be fine but he leans way into side b then side a. If not messing with Batman then maybe fucking with Other villains. Joker and Mr. Freeze walk into a room sounds like a really funny punch line.

@Darthpsychonis 11 месяцев назад

Due to Joker (2019) making over a billion, WB is going to milk him for all he is worth. It's just the nature of things.

@jeanvictor8178 9 месяцев назад

They where milking even before the movie

@zerokura 10 месяцев назад

Heh a scarecrow telling riddles made me think of Michael Jackson in the movie the Wiz and picturing him pulling out paper&reading it to batman being like "I have two hands on my face that move slowly. What am i" well am bad at riddles but ya I thought it was a funny picture.

@barrylennon7546 10 месяцев назад

You are right. They are over using him. And they are going to ruin the best thing about him. The mystery of the joke is the one of the things that makes him so interesting.

@SirsasthNigam. 5 месяцев назад

Joker film reminds me more of White Knight story than anything because 1-all clocks tells same time everytime 2-its all in his head

@hypnoticskull6342 11 месяцев назад

The Joker really just turned into a Huggbees joke "The Joker is probably putting Joker Semen in the water suply."

@custardpie69 10 месяцев назад

The problem is the Joker may just disappear into his own lack of consistent truth…

@OgieSifter 10 месяцев назад

Honestly joker dressing as BAT-MAN shouldve been my hint in nightmares which joker was dreaming in nightmares.

@TheGrimStride 11 месяцев назад

Mask of the Phantasm shows Joker’s origin

@HeyImSupercoo 10 месяцев назад

There is a reason Batman (a broody stoic hero) vs Joker (a happy gleeful villain) works so well. They are the complete opposite of the sides they are one.

@PureGoldNeverCorrodes 10 месяцев назад

1) Have an origin story for each version of the Joker: The Down on his luck comedian paid to pretend to be the Red Hood, the Pharoah’s servant given immortality via Dionesium, etc. 2) Give evidence that all of them are real: Batman accidentally caused Red Hood’s chemical bath; Hawkman and Hawkgirl had to face off against Joker in some of their earlier incarnations. 3) Have them all meet up, fight, but eventually team up and scheme together. 4) Reveal that the fight was all in the head of the one and only Joker, like in Moon Knight 2016, but don’t retcon any of the evidence from step #2, all versions are still canon. 5) The Story ends with this Joker meeting another Joker, and it’s never explained.

@fduranthesee 10 месяцев назад

The Jokerverse perfect

@PureGoldNeverCorrodes 10 месяцев назад

@@fduranthesee nope, this would all be in the main DC universe. Not even a hint of multiverse, just a bit of a mindfuck.

@triggerfairy4070 10 месяцев назад

Just make everyone else a joker copycat. And have BTAS joker kill all of them

@theunderscore001 4 месяца назад

even if every future joker story flopped, his character and legacy literally cannot die. that idea of joker vs the other league seemed so fun, similar to how we saw jokers plan be instantly foiled when attempting to terrorise star city

@Better_Call_Bulba-Saur 4 месяца назад

It's funny he mentioned audiences being able to tell which characters have which plots because when the game Suicide Squad came out and Batman's main schtick is fear toxin, I literally went "that's not a Batman thing, that's Scarecrow!"

@hattoripool1533 11 месяцев назад

You know I always wondered if the Joker died would he benefit from it since Im pretty sure there are a lot of evil supernatural beings or even beings equivalent to Satan who would take a interest in him I mean this is dc we are talking about

@atomgroup3179 11 месяцев назад

So, joker should always be an antagonist, but never a protagonist

@stevenvaleriojr1177 10 месяцев назад

I think he can be redeemed if we stop now. Because I am bored, but not so bored that I can't get excited by him after a break.

@UnusualOtaku 10 месяцев назад

Take a shot every time Benny says “the joker”

@hkaayaakuu 11 месяцев назад

15:04 scott really enjoyed his metal to whatever he stopped at run

@ozzymadnius 10 месяцев назад

Take a shot every time our boy here says Joker! 😂

@sagepirotess6312 11 месяцев назад

Out of the Bat Family, Terry Migeniz is perfect! From the 90s, to beyond!

@hkaayaakuu 11 месяцев назад

5:34 im currently watching it still for 2 years or so

@TheGokenshi 11 месяцев назад

Give us a crazy Professor Pig

@ghosttaki8547 10 месяцев назад

Yeah I love The Joker being unpredictable and unknown

@SirDumplin 11 месяцев назад

Did you upgrade your camera the quality looks amazing

@KameTsunami 11 месяцев назад

They should do with the Joker similar to to what they did with reverse flash. When Eobard Thawne shows back up in rebirth run after not being seen for x amount years it was something, he felt special. They need to do the same thing with joker make him a wild card again

@Bluesit32 11 месяцев назад

Thawne was in the New 52.

@adriangreen6943 10 месяцев назад

Now a story where all the villains switch costumes and really mess with Batman 😂

@andrewmartin1928 11 месяцев назад

Also with multiple jokers it begs the question, which one did Harley get involved with? Did she date one or even all of them? Also with the characters doing other characters plots, am I the only one who thinks the penguin's plot in Batman returns was more akin to killer croc? Just a thought.

@wdcain1 11 месяцев назад

Denny O'Neil once said that the gag is everything to the Joker. There must always be something oddly funny to his every crime. Most writers now have him just mindlessly kill/maim people. That's Carnage's deal.

@hkaayaakuu 11 месяцев назад

5:50 rip kevin😢

@grimhellscythe6998 11 месяцев назад

Personally the Joker has been ruined for me, my breaking point was Arkham Knight but thats because i really love Scarecrow and was hyped he would be a main villain in the game, i have grown a bit softer on the Joker but i still groan seeing him in anything new and Batman Ninja has been the only time i have been ok with his appearance or the new Joker film.

@AfroV 10 месяцев назад

Voicing my thoughts exactly. To give him more background and motives you destroy the thing that makes him so mysterious and unpredictable. With that said , a what-if story of him being Bruce's brother which they played around with in the Joker movie is intriguing.

@clockworkcthulhu8195 11 месяцев назад

I mean you say that the worst the animated version will do is drop you an acid, but in Harlequinade he is trying to set off a nuke when he become desperate by shooting it and yeah make him go up against other Heroes I mean the three-parter WORLD'S FINEST is the greatest episodes. Joker trying to kill Superman.

@ShadowWingTronix 10 месяцев назад

The Joker shouldn't have ANY origin before the night of the Red Hood crime that led to him being turned into the Joker after the chemical bath. It's part of what makes him interesting.

@Zeboki 9 месяцев назад

That talk about “And it’s the Joker again” is EXACTLY what happened in the Arkham games. They are great. Yes all 4 of them. But there always was an initial groan before liking them.

@alexgrey7972 10 месяцев назад

I like the failsafe joker origin (retcon?) thought it was pretty cool and chaotic

@Jscallen13 8 месяцев назад

Whatever happened to the adage: always keep them wanting more?

@gibbnasta 11 месяцев назад

Most accurate Problem With yet!

@lewisander2475 11 месяцев назад

I don't know if your view metrics support this, but I hope you do more solo commentary videos like this.

@Geebees93 11 месяцев назад

Also, Benny. We've seen Joker try something against Superman and The Flash. He doesn't do well in situations where people have powers. He was stopped before his plans could even start

@ssjecm 11 месяцев назад

Injustice though?? He literally said it was too easy compared to batman. With enough prep time ofc 😂

@Geebees93 11 месяцев назад

@@ssjecm while Injustice is a cool side story it would never actually work. Superman would have seen him a mile away. Joker wouldn't even have had time to kidnap Lois.

@shauntempley9757 11 месяцев назад

@@Geebees93 Which is why I like how Joker set off Kingdom Come, and the only time we saw him was in a flashback, when he died. That book shows what happens.