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@y0lefted
@y0lefted 8 лет назад
Doing maths in physics was much easier than the actual subject. Giving the maths a meaning helped so much. It's not the physics that's the problem in my opinion, it's the way maths is taught.
@thanasisgiannakopoulos2315
@thanasisgiannakopoulos2315 8 лет назад
i agree
@isreal194
@isreal194 7 лет назад
so true. derivatives, integrals, and differential equations makes much more sense in when applied to physics
@tehXfiles
@tehXfiles 7 лет назад
i think its the way the relation between physics and maths is taught
@cazymike87
@cazymike87 7 лет назад
No , its not true. The only way to do math is by using your brain and writing down ecuation , doing math things . Its not like any other disclipine where you can applie a phisical , moral , or sentimental notion. Even pshihology , where you use your brain very hard its sometimes about the moral or human stuff. While math its the ultimate thing , you simply cannot use a trick or relay on an emotion or a moral trait , because math its on point . You simply cannot use the ecuation x-2=4 by appealing to nothing else that math itself.
@tehXfiles
@tehXfiles 7 лет назад
+Mike D ???
@choicebarrelscrotes2732
@choicebarrelscrotes2732 7 лет назад
My high school teacher was an older guy, 75 or so. He was a former NASA scientist and university lecturer, and retired to high school in order to keep his brain active on a daily basis. He was a great teacher.
@marksusskind1260
@marksusskind1260 6 месяцев назад
I often replay the Minute Physics video, but I don't think I ever saw this video before today, 14 March 2024. I have seen lots of your company's later videos, some more than a few times, so, thank you for that. I have wondered how you all could teach more math and 20-21 Century physics to students who weren't planning on working in the physics realm. I graduated high school in the early to mid 1980s, and I have realized that musicians could've stood to learn more about logarithms since 'Western' music bases its scale on stepping through fractional powers of 2 {equal temperament}.
@marksusskind1260
@marksusskind1260 6 месяцев назад
so an introduction of General Relativity could be an outline of how the Global Positioning System works; and an introduction to Quantum Mechanics could be an outline of the Photoelectric Effect, or maybe a critique on how major motion pictures imagine the world of the very small
@tyfishmcwar5393
@tyfishmcwar5393 8 лет назад
My perspective from an American high school environment Physics may only cover the older information however there is an emphasis on mathematical application and labs. I plan on taking the AP Physics C exam this spring.
@aliendoggy1
@aliendoggy1 9 лет назад
I'm 29 year old and I wish i could start all over again to learn more math. I do sometimes read in my spare time.
@slystyler1
@slystyler1 11 лет назад
I actually study Physics at University and the best thing about it is that there is a lot of Mathematics in this subject. I'd rather do a lot of Maths than just reading plain theory. And what I noticed when I came for first time in UK and really irritated me was that there were so many people to know some profound theories in Cosmology, but they didn't know any real physics or maths, unfortunately
@T2Exile
@T2Exile 11 лет назад
To summarize this video: 5:37, this guy is such a beast. tellin like how it should be told.
@dwarduk2
@dwarduk2 11 лет назад
I'd just like to point out that the example question is not from an AP equivalent; it's more like the lowest of the standard level. The way the GCSE questions are designed is, to the best of my knowledge, based on the grades, so that question might be one you're expected to answer to get a D grade in a lower qualification. If you're interested, find the AQA A-level physics past papers ont heir website for more of an idea what the AP sort of questions are like. I tried to link, but couldn't =]
@clos9221
@clos9221 11 лет назад
yeah but you are forgetting that several people require a guide (teachers) to walk them through the process of learning. not everyone can grab a book and fully understand it from the get go. I consider myself a pretty smart person but i still require someone with higher knowledge to help me better myself educationally, better understand the information on books and provide me with answers to questions that surface when studying Our system is flawed, yes. but if it gets "better", then the US
@billswingle2672
@billswingle2672 10 лет назад
You are right. The problem stems from laziness.
@laurenzhartmann9433
@laurenzhartmann9433 4 года назад
4:35 so true. Especially quantum theory is so much more fundamental than classical physics. Classical Physics is most often just the large-mass-limit or many-particle average of incredibly many quantum particles. We just can’t understand it as well because understanding the behaviour of the very small and very large did not help us in evolution
@robm624
@robm624 4 года назад
The comparison between an O level and a foundation level gcse paper is extremely misleading. That paper today would get you 2 GCSE’s (chem, bio and physics together) with a maximum level of 5 (a c in old money). The higher tier papers that you have to do to take A-level physics are as hard if not harder than the o level
@NathanLucas5
@NathanLucas5 11 лет назад
My high school physics teacher actually started out the class this year by stating "physics is a math class disguised as science".
@micheals1992
@micheals1992 11 лет назад
I would've done much better in school if they labeled "Math" as "Science" and actually taught scientific algebra instead of just standard algebra which churns out numbers with no significant meaning (well from a personal perspective they had no meaning)
@NathanLucas5
@NathanLucas5 11 лет назад
***** yeah, I think that the best approach is to meld the two subjects into one super subject. As Galileo said- "Math is the language with which God has chosen to write the universe"
@kurtronqx7135
@kurtronqx7135 4 года назад
@@micheals1992 ‘standard’ algebra lays the groundwork that's required to understand and manipulate more advanced math like conic sections (circles, parabolas, ellipses), and especially calculus
@skat3r430
@skat3r430 3 года назад
@@kurtronqx7135 you’re not told that in high school math
@kurtronqx7135
@kurtronqx7135 3 года назад
@@skat3r430 not told what? Conic circles? I learned that in grade 12 calculus.
@aniruddha4672
@aniruddha4672 8 лет назад
I think students at school level should be taught about the importance of modern science. Most of the general public doesn't really understand the need for funding in science. So even if we can't teach them the actual intricacies of physics at least they'll know WHY is it important to study this stuff.
@dfghj241
@dfghj241 8 лет назад
+Aniruddha YES!
@SpixIo
@SpixIo 8 лет назад
Just got to point out that this is already taught on the GCSE Physics Syllabus for many of the exam boards.
@victorselve8349
@victorselve8349 6 лет назад
Aniruddha yes definitely. We do live in the age of science, the only problem is that most people don't know we do.
@XPimKossibleX
@XPimKossibleX 10 лет назад
The things on the whiteboard scare me, but then I think for a second and realise how much I want to learn and understand it.
@subhradipporel285
@subhradipporel285 3 года назад
Thats a beautiful attitude
@RexGalilae
@RexGalilae 9 лет назад
although I always will criticize my outdated Indian Teaching system to the end, I have to give credit to it for the way it presents Physics in grade 11 and 12 (basically a-level) which is great! It has all the "scary" math and calculus parts but it makes it all less scary and more fun by making us DERIVE all the physics equations before making us work on them. it not only eliminates the need to memorize countless formulae, but it also gives us a deep intuition behind them, making us think the way scientists who developed those formulae did. A-level physics and US Physics of the same level is very dull, by comparison, imo. But apart from that, they're still better
@ca-ke9493
@ca-ke9493 8 лет назад
yes!! I love it when you actually learn how the equations are derived! it brings out the meaning rather than just memorise and use this in this situation (bleh) but the problem is that sometimes hard to explain without explaining a million other things first
@RexGalilae
@RexGalilae 8 лет назад
Aniruddha N Oh. Did I forget to mention the pointless ban on calculators? PS. My message is just what came out of me due to my frustration dealing with CBSE and I have nothing personal against you. Please excuse me if I sounded rude or harsh in any part of my message. ^^
@RexGalilae
@RexGalilae 8 лет назад
Aniruddha N True. This rote learning process is a simple route to high marks and most students do that. Our society values rote-learnt marks instead of innovation and ideas. Which is what's holding +1bn brilliant Indians behind. Oh yes. CBSE had banned calculators since time immemorial. To make matters even worse, two years ago, they even omitted that lesson that teaches us how log tables are used. XD There's basically 0 co-ordination b/w Math and other subjects. In Comp Sc and Physics, a ot of MAth concepts are required which they didn't teach us until a year later. smh XD The value of a method od education can't be decided by a bunch of smartass 60+ year old professors sitting in a distant room in Delhi years behind actual progress, but by the customers of this business (i.e. the students themselves). I wonder when will India ever recognize this.
@pssurvivor
@pssurvivor 8 лет назад
+Mohammed Zaid I agree. One of teh first things we were taught was how to derive formulae from basic ones. Also if you remember, we do imaginary numbers right back in school. Also, because we were awarded marks on the basis of steps of equation, it really made us able to sit and just write complex equations at length, not just match the following or fill in the blanks. The problem is in the way things are taught in India, and not what is taught.
@supereminem000
@supereminem000 8 лет назад
Hi! I'm an Indian student too, just gave my boards and I couldn't agree with you more, about the way in which science is presented. Now, since you seem to have an idea of how it should be done, could you recommend me a physics book which is rigorous in it's approach? (background: I've read fundamentals of physics till the modern physics part and I have a firm grasp on the basics. at least that's what I'd like to believe) or should I just study calculus so that I'm able to study physics in the "right" way, that is, with mathematical rigor.
@princeistalri7944
@princeistalri7944 10 лет назад
It's unfortunately all too true. Until I developed an interest in physics, I recall that I quite frankly didn't care for mathematics. Oh, I could learn it ok, do some problems, etc., but at least partially due to American culture, I did not see the beauty in it, nor the intricacy with which math is intertwined with reality and how necessary it truly is.
@Energy321com
@Energy321com 10 лет назад
What I am hearing is ...YOU know there is more to MATH, PHYSICS, etc... 1 I support y OLD saying..CREATIVITY is more valuable than knowledge. As you are experiencing....that know is very old....which raises the ?? Why is there not any NEW stuff!!! I did tell people how they can go about getting NEW data. Energy is in a fraction 90/10..10% of energy breaks all laws reason... to master that last 10% is ENORMOUS....It would trillions upon trillions of life times to thoroughly understand energy that is NOT governed by any energy foundation laws. I LIKE HENRY guy... he seems like some whom I have had one on one teaching in my past lives. A++++
@Energy321com
@Energy321com 10 лет назад
QUANTUM PHYSICS is child's play compare to 10% PHYSICS [ADVANCE OF ALL ENERGY "PHYSICS" which comes in 3 stages which requires a person being able to use a higher % of his brain complicity...20% and higher]. 10% does not sound like much but let me tell you... you will spend 1,000,000 more effort into that last 10% than what it take to master the first 90% of energies PHYSICS...
@princeistalri7944
@princeistalri7944 10 лет назад
Everett Pierce Strawman much? I only said that maths and physics have underlying elegance and beauty, and our current education system prevents many a youth from discerning this. You're going on an unrelated tangent I really do not care to adress.
@princeistalri7944
@princeistalri7944 10 лет назад
***** That may be so, but I'm a very biased, faliable human being, and thus my greatest sympathies lie with the physical and mathematical sciences, with biology and anthropology as runners up.
@princeistalri7944
@princeistalri7944 10 лет назад
***** Neither do I, but I'm trying, and hopefully I'll be able to fully understand at least some bits of it some day.
@untilitookanarrow
@untilitookanarrow 9 лет назад
He should be concerned with the way that everything is taught in highschool in America
@19midnightsun87
@19midnightsun87 9 лет назад
+Marty Mcfly You cannot even call that education, what you have over there. :/
@untilitookanarrow
@untilitookanarrow 9 лет назад
19midnightsun87 Couldn't agree with you more.
@iammorbius4925
@iammorbius4925 9 лет назад
+Marty Mcfly And yet, somehow, it still produces the most Nobel prize winners, across all disciplines... "The American Paradox". has now been officially coined, here and now. Zeno was an amateur...:)
@BlueCosmology
@BlueCosmology 9 лет назад
+Benjamin Dover Pretty obvious reason why, I can't see how it's not immediately obvious to anyone. It's a big country. You may aswell say Europe has the most Nobel laureates if you're going to judge it by that ridiculous metric. You're answering this the same as someone asking "how can you melt steel?" and you say "throw it in the ocean" rather than put it in a smelting furnace, since the ocean is hotter than a smelting furnace as it's much larger. Nobel prizes per capita would be a much more reasonable way to judge the education of a country, excluding very very small countries since there isn't enough data to get reasonable data on Nobel prizes per capita, of which the US most certainly is not even close to a world leader.
@abstractpoet8977
@abstractpoet8977 9 лет назад
I went to a private high school in the US and my science teachers were phenomenal. My Chemistry teacher actually had a PhD and my Physics teacher was a mechanical engineer for 15 years. One thing that I thought was interesting though, in Physics we learned about things solely on a macro scale stressing the work of scientists like Newton, Faraday, and Einstein. While in Chemistry we actually learned a lot of physics, but it was on the micro scale learning about Bohr, Schrodinger, and Heisenberg. Do they teach quantum mechanics and general relativity separately like this in Europe?
@fanglespangle110
@fanglespangle110 9 лет назад
7:12 Never go full Daily Mail. Never.
@alecmileman5267
@alecmileman5267 8 лет назад
I'm a little annoyed that Phil didn't go into the higher tier papers and the last questions. The foundation paper is designed for people who cannot understand physics and will not go into college to learn physics let alone university. It's just a legal requirement to of taken science at GCSE.
@victorselve8349
@victorselve8349 8 лет назад
I know what you mean I'm from Germany and my I had Physics as a "grundkurs"( only 3hours a week don't have to write test if you haven't chosen it as part of your Abitur) and maths as a "Leistungskurs"(the important stuff with five hours a week is more important for your final grade and so on) and our physics teacher tried to keep it possible for everybody since it was only a grundkurs so you might not want to do physics but you just needed a science. The thing was that even so we did more maths as we did in Maths itself despite Maths being for people who actually wanted to do something with maths. The way that my university handled the problem was a maths course that you could take before you started studying were you learn such things as complex numbers and all the other stuff that we didn't learn in school but should have
@adampartridge1903
@adampartridge1903 7 лет назад
Thank you. I can't see any reason why you'd advocate for forcing everyone to gain a deep understanding of physics, even when it's blindingly obvious that they will not do anything remotely to do with it in the future. Making a standard qualification that everyone is forced to do reasonably basic is definitely, from my perspective, a step in the right direction
@eXemptCallum
@eXemptCallum 7 лет назад
Alec Mileman exactly this. first questions in foundation is the easiest as well, the paper goes in order of difficulty.
@ishanr8697
@ishanr8697 7 лет назад
Yes, comparing Foundation Tier with O-Level is not fair. The old CSE may be much closer to Foundation tier GCSE.. Higher Tier vs. O-Level would be fairer.
@HarryScutt
@HarryScutt 6 лет назад
Alec Mileman Tbf though even the higher papers on triple science are ridiculously easy
@PaulaJBean
@PaulaJBean 8 лет назад
This is why 90% of the Math and Physics students are now exchange students from abroad - from countries which still understand the importance of math instead of ridiculing it.
@HisameArtwork
@HisameArtwork 6 лет назад
Also people like money and not starving. If India had USA money and Scandinavian healthcare , you can be sure most of the most white american scientists would exchange the cold and mass shootings with sunny weather and exotic yummy food.
@moonraker8794
@moonraker8794 4 года назад
This maybe true for the US which ranks extremely low in standardized testing especially math
@phenomenalphysics3548
@phenomenalphysics3548 4 года назад
@@moonraker8794 but US has the best universities out there
@dhruvkumarjiguda5415
@dhruvkumarjiguda5415 4 года назад
Phenomenal Physics yes but most of the students are either Indian,Chinese,or some other ethnicity but definitely not American. Most of the students are essentially from abroad.
@pramudithfernando7052
@pramudithfernando7052 3 года назад
@@dhruvkumarjiguda5415 This is false, international students make up only like 6% of the student population in the US. You assume that most high achievers are foreign due to availability bias, as in you've heard of mostly students from your country or similar that have gone to the US. There are extremely intelligent students in the US but the majority are below the level of other countries in math.
@stewarthills9344
@stewarthills9344 7 лет назад
A level physics has become hard for me because I favour maths and the amount of maths in the course has been reduced
@shyamsundarshrestha7590
@shyamsundarshrestha7590 4 года назад
Exactly
@saxon215
@saxon215 8 лет назад
The biggest reason people have a problem with maths in the context of physics is it is not often enough taught in concert with the theory. Comming from a background in engineering and taking a something like Fourier analysis I tried to understand it many times and failed until the theory as to how and why it worked was explained and how it works to give the result. Most people cannot fully understand maths as an abstract idea. One of my favourite units of study was physics and I blitzed the maths in it even though in general it's my weakest subject because we were lead to understand the maths befire we applied it, it was given meaning.
@comicstwisted
@comicstwisted 8 лет назад
Our teacher never explains the logic behind the formulas 😞
@randominternetprofile8270
@randominternetprofile8270 8 лет назад
I felt after I graduated, that science and math were separate subjects, as they never mixed until college.
@glialcell6455
@glialcell6455 7 лет назад
science and maths ARE separate subjects, though - it just so happens that science is by far the largest consumer of maths, and sort of feeds back into it, kind of like how apple's work on llvm and webkit feeds back into the open source community. ok that simile probably wasn't the best.
@RolandHutchinson
@RolandHutchinson 7 лет назад
But it isn't the worst, either! (Not by a long chalk.)
@BenDover-nf8li
@BenDover-nf8li 6 лет назад
I'm currently in my first year of physics of my undergraduate degree, and although we do see and use basic calculus and other fundamental maths theories, I have a completely separate module to learn all the maths theories like matrix transformations, eigen values, fourier series, complex numbers, converging and diverging series. And there is not a single point in any of the lectures where they relate it something in physics unless a student puts their hand up and asks "what is the point of this?" and their response is normally "its very useful in quantum mechanics" without actually specifying what.
@grimmerMD
@grimmerMD 10 лет назад
If I was introduced to even the general idea of things like Heisenberg's uncertainty principle or Schrodinger's cat back in in elementary or highschool, I'm sure I would've taken an interest much earlier and actually taken math and physics in highschool. But it was as if they picked out all the fascinating parts of the topics and left in everything sure to put off 90% of students. Maybe it's different now; my 12 year old sister is learning about the structure of atoms and the wavelike properties of electrons, so already it seems much more exciting and less dry than much of what we did.
@marciofadel4709
@marciofadel4709 8 лет назад
the teacher doesn't explain the use for the formula, they say to you to do, you have no idea how to link the formulas to use in the useful way. You have a N number of formulas and only knows what to do individualy, and if you have a problem thats have to use more than one formula you are screwed.
@BudCharlesUnderVlogs
@BudCharlesUnderVlogs 9 лет назад
You think Physics has got it bad? At least you GET a subject at school. Palaeontology doesn't even have a subject and it is the ENTIRE history of Earth from 4,600,000,000 to 10,000 years ago. That's a HUGE chunk of history that the public just don't know about, and it contains past examples of climate change, invasive species and many other things that ordinary people now have the power to vote on. If we don't start to take Palaeontology seriously, we won't be prepared for the world ahead. It's like trying to decide whether to go to war with a country when you know nothing about its history more than a week ago!
@bios546
@bios546 9 лет назад
+Bud Charles And that's why teamworks is important!!! we need people from different areas of study to uplift humanity. So, you can study Palaeontology and help lift humanity in your own way :D
@timhorton2486
@timhorton2486 9 лет назад
+Bud Charles And physics and cosmology are the ENTIRE history of the universe from 13,700,000,000 years ago to present day. :) Sorry for my Snarkyness.
@BudCharlesUnderVlogs
@BudCharlesUnderVlogs 9 лет назад
Tim Horton Physics rarely ever talks about what happened after 4.5 billion years ago, it mainly concerns the history of space, not Earth. Until I hear the Permian Extinction or formation of the Isthmus of Panama mentioned in Physics class, I can't take you seriously. I remember my History teacher saying dinosaurs were history, I asked if we'd study them in History, he said no, I said well how are they history then?
@bios546
@bios546 9 лет назад
Bud Charles Hum, I'd like to see how you can comment on youtube if physics is switched of :)
@timhorton2486
@timhorton2486 9 лет назад
Bud Charles That has got to be the stupidest comment I've ever heard. Events of the past are history, whether you learn them in a certain class or not. And physics rarely ever talks about what happened after 4.5 billions years ago? Get real dude.
@RichardB1983
@RichardB1983 10 лет назад
I agree with the sentiments at 5:34. Actually, I think the GCSE standards ought to go up too. In GCSE maths, you spend months finding gradients of curves by drawing tangents on graph paper and then measuring the change in height by change in length. And finding areas under curves by summing trapeziums together. If I recall correctly, not once did we even discuss the possibility of making those trapeziums infinitessimally narrow or taking any limits, or anything resembling calculus. Certainly at higher tier GCSE, there ought to be a basic introduction to differentiation and integration. Then that gives you much more scope to introduce more mathematical rigour into the Physics A-level syllabus.
@carlton6953
@carlton6953 10 лет назад
GCSEs in general are far too easy. Also A level maths is pretty easy - it wasnt that uncommon for people to get 90%+ all the time. People are so obsessed with getting the grades that teachers teach you how to pass the exam rather than learning the content.
@hopesy12u4
@hopesy12u4 4 года назад
Easy? A Level Maths? _EASY?_
@v6790
@v6790 4 года назад
@@hopesy12u4 I suppose things change after 5 years? It's pretty hard but not hard enough to fail.
@w3s_dev
@w3s_dev 5 лет назад
5:37 - From the entire video this is what I appreciated the most. It's an incentive to students who are just entering university and haven't seen yet some of the beautiful but difficult concepts involving physics and mathematics.
@jackubert4685
@jackubert4685 8 лет назад
If you ask any esteemed and well engaged person if their particular subject of interest or profession should be taught more in school and understood by everyone, presumably they will say yes because of their cognitive biases. Should physics be more in depth for everyone? I would say no; not without their consent at least. It's not that it isn't important, but it shouldn't be monopolized for people's way of thinking - and by extension - no one subject ever should be. You get to a point where you're trying to shove a square into a triangle shaped hole. Diversity is a quality of humans, so some people may not like physics. Physics (or any other subject) ARE IMPORTANT, but in conjunction with every other one. We need people to be best at what they are best at, and should allow them the materials to explore what that may be; instead of us trying to be the Thought Police
@jackubert4685
@jackubert4685 8 лет назад
Maryam Abkar Yeah that makes sense. What's funny is that I really enjoy physics more than other subjects, I was just going through some angry thought process at the time. Of course it's my contention that the whole education process is flawed, physics or not, and is need of serious changing from how archaic it is. Much like you're saying about physics, the entirety of education is stuck in an older time that doesn't cope with the demands of today
@lite6384
@lite6384 8 лет назад
you picked P1 the easiest physic paper you will ever get this is for those schools who need a science gcse for their students
@missxmx1
@missxmx1 11 лет назад
Absolutely, totally agree with this entire video, especially towards the end. I took GCSE physics and am taking A level in a few months and I have definitely noticed that these courses have a minimalist amount of actual physics in them! As the video displayed, it's all basic knowledge on electrical circuits or power stations etc and there seems to be no fundamental, new elements of physics within these courses (like quantum mechanics). With no disrespect whatsoever, I really think that exam boards need to apply a more realistic representation of physics within their courses.
@MichaelMedlock
@MichaelMedlock 10 лет назад
Can't agree more. I remember taking chem in college, thinking the Bohr model was THE model of atoms. I had never heard of wave functions, and frankly it confused the heck out of me. I can remember being so frustrated because i am a science-minded kind of guy, and should not have been having so much difficulty at a concept in a 100 level course. Of course, it wasn't the fact that it was truly complicated, it was just the fact i was trying to not only absorb and understand the actual purpose of the lecture, but on top of that, also re-imagine the entire structure of atoms at the same time. Add to that the lack of math at the primary level, which also has to then be incorporated into the college level courses as though they go hand in hand (because they DO - we're just not taught that until it is almost too late). The Shakespeare example is perfect - i may not be an expert on Shakespeare, but i've read most of his plays, understand the contribution he made to literature, and thoroughly enjoy his stuff. I may not be able to explain in detail WHY his plays were so special, but i do know know them and have gained an appreciation for his work. Why is science and math treated differently?
@JoeBobula
@JoeBobula 10 лет назад
I liked the Shakespeare bit too. I had to read so much rubbish in high school because someone thought it was important. Learning how my car worked would've been a better use of my time.
@henrywang6931
@henrywang6931 9 лет назад
The difficulty of GCSE and Alevel will be increased in the future years, so good luck, my fellow students :D
@TheRedKatar
@TheRedKatar 8 лет назад
Even people in my AS Further Maths seem to be this way of feeling it's unimportant to not be able to understand maths so I would definitely agree that there is an underlying problem with how mathematics is viewed in general. For physics in particular, I would say that about 50% of my class would completely switch off when 'hard' maths came up.
@MakiD2010
@MakiD2010 10 лет назад
People say Maths isn't cool...yet they use mobile phones, laptops and the internet..which rely on Mathematics in order to be created. I guess people nowadays simply don't know the benefits behind Mathematics.
@vivekpanchagnula9993
@vivekpanchagnula9993 5 лет назад
To be fair, it's like saying mining isn't cool yet we still use grills: yes, it's useful but i don't care. I do enjoy math and believe it's important but wrong argument.
@50p35
@50p35 5 лет назад
No one says maths isn't cool
@gagan4012
@gagan4012 5 лет назад
@@50p35 Unfortunately......
@gagan4012
@gagan4012 5 лет назад
I realized 3 people commented on a 4 year old comment within 2 days and none before
@lollipopjoe5530
@lollipopjoe5530 5 лет назад
Gagan Surathkal lol
@fredericadolf32
@fredericadolf32 5 лет назад
The way math is taught has been an issue (at least in my experience). When I was in high school, physics courses were too basic to expose the use of real math, and math teacher failed to link their lessons to their usefullness in physics. The level of math in high school is far, far from being high enough to be in some sort of abstraction from physics problems that could illustrate their use. At high school level you won't lose any mathematician if you link the math notion to physics, but you will lose potential physicists because you can't get them to cope with math if its decorelated from anything concrete.
@HarrisonDreves
@HarrisonDreves 11 лет назад
For motivated individuals, your argument may well hold true (though I wouldn't discount the possibility of a talented teacher inspiring students to try a new subject). However, school forces many people who would never motivate to self-teach to at least learn some basics. This minimum level of education across society is necessary for our civilization to make (somewhat) rational decisions.
@davidgillies620
@davidgillies620 7 лет назад
50% of my first year lectures were maths. In the first two weeks or so we were all brought up to speed on things like partial differentials and vector spaces and then off we went. By Christmas we were deriving orthonormal polynomials as solutions to partial differential equations. Then it was contour integration, and starting in on Green's, Gauss's and Stokes's theorems. It was pretty brutal. Second year QM was even worse.
@hankrearden20
@hankrearden20 9 лет назад
Okay, so here is a suggestion to you folks at Nottingham-include math in your videos. I know you have Numberphile, but should you add some of your proofs and mathematical justifications, even if we the viewing public don't entirely understand them, our exposure to the maths would be benefical. Remember, most of us coming to these videos are here out of a sense of curiosity, love of learning, and a strong interest in the subject matter, but for one reason or another were unable to pursue our passions further. I want to be challenged. I want to be reminded of that which I have forgotten.
@annabanana8078
@annabanana8078 9 лет назад
James Estrada and maybe explaining little parts of it might help and make us see that it's not as scary
@MrCmon113
@MrCmon113 7 лет назад
Anna Banana Oh it only gets much more scary... Today half of the class was just moaning or chuckling after one hour of basic maths for the physics course. I don't think anyone understood what was being said by the end of the lecture.
@oliverguy3121
@oliverguy3121 9 лет назад
i would just like to point out that that gcse paper is foundation and in a foundation you can only get a grade C highest. that question is probably a grade E/F so not even near any level of understanding that would be required for a Standard Level Physics course. If you have look at a A* question you will be asked to re arrange a formula and solve it. For example we had to rear arrange speed=frequency*wavelength to get the frequency instead of the speed. This is about as hard as it gets in GCSE. I personally would really like to see more quantum theory (even if it involves no maths) and maths in GCSE science but then I have tried to explain schrodinger's cat theory to someone else who is dong GCSE Physics and they just thought i was mad. BTW I am currently doing GCSE triple science (Biology, Chemistry and Physics)
@almightybean8044
@almightybean8044 11 лет назад
Jennifer11963 , I found your comment very interesting. I don't start high school for another year and the one thing I was most excited for was a chance to actually be taught physics face-to-face with someone. I adore minute physics and pretty much anything to do with physics and astronomy, but now, I'm a bit disappointed in what I've heard. I just hope that I will have classmates like you and teachers like yours in high school.
@kimjongsupporter7539
@kimjongsupporter7539 6 лет назад
If you don't like doing maths, STEM isn't for you!
@PhilHibbs
@PhilHibbs 10 лет назад
I have friends - well-educated, intelligent, enlightened friends with degrees in microbiology and oceanography - who refuse to accept that quantum mechanics or relativity is real. They believe it's made-up nonsense. Or, that's what they say they believe - they may well be trolling me.
@mredd888
@mredd888 10 лет назад
but relativity has been proved by the atomic clocks
@PhilHibbs
@PhilHibbs 10 лет назад
mredd888 And f=GMm/r2 was proved, until someone noticed that Mercury didn't orbit quite right, and it had to be adjusted. All the experiments performed so far are consistent with relativity and QM, but that doesn't prove them. The scientific method requires that we keep an open mind and look for disproofs for even the most reliable theories.
@xenomann442
@xenomann442 10 лет назад
What saddens me is that people (even those with degrees in science) do not understand what science even is. A microbiologist who understands the scientific method would never doubt the existence of antimatter or quantum mechanics.
@Skraeling1000
@Skraeling1000 10 лет назад
Adam Wojtczak Exactly. Many degrees in the sciences are, I suspect, taught "parrot fashion", and don't need the student to have an inquiring mind, although an analytical mind helps! And so perhaps the actual techniques used in scientific *research* are hardly touched upon. Its like learning how to be a car mechanic - you know a lot about how an engine works, but designing one from scratch would be beyond most people.
@IamGrimalkin
@IamGrimalkin 9 лет назад
Are you sure about that microbiology bit? Quantum mechanics forms a pretty fundamental part of organic chemistry, it is where the idea of atomic orbitals comes from.
@beccasiciliano931
@beccasiciliano931 11 лет назад
This is incredible. Thank you. I am in high school in the US and my school is not allowing us to have AP Physics C. 6 student, including myself, are fighting to have the class, but the school will have none of it. Thank you for showing us that we aren't crazy for wanting a higher level physics course. Especially since we are going to college in a year.
@mpcc2022
@mpcc2022 5 лет назад
The excellent physicist of tomorrow are not afraid of maths.
@George.Redacted
@George.Redacted 10 лет назад
Not going to lie this is why kids think this is too hard and uncool. The professors give rather shit motivational lessons. "its not too hard, it's just the way the world is." What??? That sentence gives no explanation as to what advantage you have to study this or why "hard" is a relative term. Maybe if these professors focused a bit more on articulating their ideas in a manner that hits the heart of their audience then this wouldn't be a problem. The irony is palpable.
@davecrupel2817
@davecrupel2817 6 лет назад
It would take lecture upon lecture, and for you to have an open mind, to understand the importance of physics and mathematics. Which, by ages 15-18, you no longer have.
@osere6432
@osere6432 5 лет назад
Although, tbh, i agree, it is beautiful, and it is how it is, physics ftw
@reubenfrench6288
@reubenfrench6288 11 лет назад
Math is THE REASON I love physics. I was really disappointed that I couldn't skip to AP because AP requires you to be in a more advanced math class. I was doing AP physics homework in 8th grade because almost nobody in the actual class was smart enough to solve a quadratic. Also, when I was doing not-AP physics, I was getting problems wrong for applying Theory of Relativity. 1 more thing... from what I've heard about the AP physics class that uses calculus, I could have slept through that class using only the few calculus equations that I learned from the Internet. So, in my opinion, there really needs to be a better way to determine whether someone is ready for AP and there needs to be classes in high school for Quantum Physics and Theory of Relativity stuff.
@nostromov7892
@nostromov7892 5 лет назад
Ok... As a refresher: AP-anything is only available in high school: grades 9 and up; exactly for the reason mentioned. Trigonometry after geometry and calculus after whatever math lays down the basics...
@Mayank-mf7xr
@Mayank-mf7xr 2 года назад
I also love Physics because of the Mathematics involved. I developed a habit during my high school to describe everything with numbers, variables and equations. That worked well when I eventually started my journey in Physics. For me Physics is Mathematics, but even more interesting.
@MathematicianDr
@MathematicianDr 7 лет назад
It is indeed a shame that the country in which probably one of the brightest minds in human history was born and created the beautiful language of calculus is ripping calculus out of physics in school.
@kimchikoalaa714
@kimchikoalaa714 7 лет назад
I'm better off watching MIT OCW than listening in class
@harveywilliams7013
@harveywilliams7013 5 лет назад
Cannot agree strongly enough with this - I spent two years barely understanding my A-level physics course because of the disjointed and superficial level at which it was taught. A month or so before exams I started watching the Walter Lewin lecture series and everything suddenly clicked - got an A* in the end :)
@fretlord4201
@fretlord4201 10 лет назад
What no teacher would ever explain to me is what I could do with any of this information. I have no problem doing the basic operations of math, but the explanations are almost non-existent. Just a small example is the square root. I was shown a check mark thing and some crazy bits of math that I did without understanding why. But one thing that was never pointed out was that you could actually make a square by stacking the roots up. Someone could have just shown me a drawing of a square grid at least one time and said, "Hey, this is actually why we call these numbers square or cubed." I had to learn that little tidbit far later. Teachers, and adults in general, tend to forget that what's obvious to them is not obvious in the limited experience of a child and that none of those kids have even had the same education for the most part. And let's not forget that most teachers just want you to shut up and read the book. *On a side note, I'm curious if there is a way to convert one form of math to another, such as a quadratic equation into geometry. I'm a very visual learner, which is the whole reason I'm looking at math, which I admittedly have very poor skill in.
@fretlord4201
@fretlord4201 10 лет назад
It may be a generalization, but one that holds true with my experiences of school. Many hundreds of hours listening to a clock tick. Whenever I would move to a new state, about every year and a half, the new school would be on a different book, or the book I had worked from the year before. So I would end up repeating the same thing, or be a year behind and lost, with either a teacher who didn't teach or one without the few minutes it would take to understand my situation. I'm not directing my ire at all teachers, but the vast majority who sat in a room with me all year long and still needed to check a chart for my name. The bad teachers ignored my raised hand until my bladder gave in, or threw me into walls. Lucky for me, I had a couple more good ones than bad, but I got a first hand view of what's wrong with the system and how far spread it is. None of that matters, I spent five years being shoved the same per-algebra book, and was denied help for any of it the whole time, so I still rather suck at math.
@fretlord4201
@fretlord4201 10 лет назад
Hahaha! That's so sad, but hysterically funny at the same time!
@liboud22
@liboud22 9 лет назад
_"Just a small example is the square root"_ You called me?
@liboud22
@liboud22 9 лет назад
Oners82 _"square root means dividing a number by itself"_ Really? Think again. Hint: You're very very wrong..
@liboud22
@liboud22 9 лет назад
Oners82 This is internet, you meet all kind of jackasses who think they are always right. That being said, there wasn't a single hint of parody in your comment. So not my fault for not "getting" it. Fucking hell dude, be better at parody. Either that or you just made a stupid mistake, and now when you realized it, you are all like "I was joking, it was a parody..Fucking hell dude!! herp derp".. And the way you are being defensive, I guess this most likely is the case.
@liuby33
@liuby33 7 лет назад
Professor Padilla's notes show why he's such a wonderful physicist!
@alcoll1038
@alcoll1038 7 лет назад
Leo The fact that he hates them shows that he's even better than you think.
@herp_derpingson
@herp_derpingson 10 лет назад
Come to Asia :D
@patrickwienhoft7987
@patrickwienhoft7987 8 лет назад
Although I think Tony goes a bit too extreme, he got the (imho) central core, which is, it is cool nowadays to not understand and therefore not care for maths.
@xenomann442
@xenomann442 8 лет назад
It's not cool to not understand math. It's just that many people struggle with it, so it's relatable to hear from someone else that they struggled with it as well.
@beer_4781
@beer_4781 8 лет назад
Adam Wojtczak which is another way of saying it is cool to now know it and the ones that do or try to understand it are seen as nerds and geeks.
@AmberMaryAnne
@AmberMaryAnne 7 лет назад
alevel physics make me feel like newton ; dead
@TheMrcorabora
@TheMrcorabora 11 лет назад
Found my love for math and science only after high school, would've been an honour to study at this university.
@FriedEgg101
@FriedEgg101 8 лет назад
Arty creativity seems to be the trend for higher education choices; sound engineering, graphic design, journalism, advertising etc. It's cooler to be able to write songs or design something everyone wants than solve equations.
@generalturner9628
@generalturner9628 8 лет назад
I don't care. Math is fun.
@omaraljohani9298
@omaraljohani9298 7 лет назад
I just graduated from high school and I just found out how much basic mathematics I lack because of the sick system 😑 .
@davecrupel2817
@davecrupel2817 6 лет назад
OMAr -kun same here. :(
@TitleistGuy
@TitleistGuy 4 года назад
My problem with HS physics .... The RAMP IS NEVER FRICTIONLESS OTHERWISE THE BALL WOULD NOT BE ROLLING!!!
@jarahfluxman20
@jarahfluxman20 4 года назад
It would slide though
@jarahfluxman20
@jarahfluxman20 4 года назад
A ball is sliding*
@JJDestroyer
@JJDestroyer 7 лет назад
As a current A-level student I also find the lack of maths within physics disturbing. I take both maths and physics and often find connections between the two, however when these things are taught in physics, you are taught a lot of facts and never told where they come from, especially in centripetal motion. It's like they are trying to not use maths at all! For example: instead of using trapezium rule or integration for the area under some curves we have been told to "count squares". WHO IS GOING TO SIT AND COUNT SQUARES ON AN EXAM? We need to be taught some A-level maths as part of a physics syllabus mainly because as it says in the video "Maths is the language of physics". if we don't understand the language, how are we meant to understand the syntax?
@Zbozhinchik
@Zbozhinchik 11 лет назад
I remember my first fluid mechanics lecture it made me depressed, I think first lecture should make you feel interested, but not depressed!
@MMrandomdude12
@MMrandomdude12 7 лет назад
A-Level physics was terrible. No calculus whatsoever. It was screaming for it. Physics was my least favourite A-Level because we were never pushed; the course was designed to cater for those who weren't doing A-Level maths. This shouldn't be how it is. If you're not going to do A-Level maths, then you should learn the mathematics yourself. Anyway, as I said, physics A-Level was my least favourite. So what did I go on to study at university? Physics, because I knew it would become a lot more mathematically involved. And I wasn't wrong.
@ivanlebedynets3052
@ivanlebedynets3052 8 лет назад
You changed my life and the way I look at world. Thank you!
@tenebrasmundi6995
@tenebrasmundi6995 10 лет назад
There are some problems in the arguments put forward in this video. For one, whilst calculus may be non-existent in the A-Level Physics syllabus, it IS in the Maths syllabus, which most Physics students also study. Also, multiple choice questions tend to exist only in the foundation tier in GCSE science, on which no grade higher than a C is obtainable. Practically all colleges/sixth forms require you to get at least a B at GCSE to continue a subject through to A-Level, especially in scientific subjects. It's highly unlikely that someone doing foundation level science at GCSE is going to study science at university. However, with all of that said, I do believe that education of science towards the general public needs to improve, especially new science. However, as people like Professor Brian Cox (and in fact RU-vid channels such as this) try to show us, the answer may lie in media rather than the education system (which I do in fact agree could be improved).
@general9064
@general9064 10 лет назад
dude application of calculus in physics is very different from that in mathematics!!!
@tenebrasmundi6995
@tenebrasmundi6995 10 лет назад
It depends upon your teacher and how you learn it.
@general9064
@general9064 10 лет назад
it depends on u only.
@evancooper7336
@evancooper7336 10 лет назад
Completely disagree with the calculus part. I've just finished my physics degree having done A levels here in New Zealand. I found calculus extremely simple in maths, but when translated into physics it changes completely, mainly due to the fact that the calculus used in physics is vector calculus. It is more in depth, required a complete understanding of the fundamental theorem of calculus and caught me and many others completely of guard. Nonetheless spend a bit of time on it and it comes together, but it would have been nice to learn a bit of vector analysis and linear algebra in high school instead of op-amplifiers and some of the other junk I learnt in A-level physics.
@general9064
@general9064 10 лет назад
calculus is easy till u deal with the easy part . calculus merges with many topics of mathematics from complex numbers to vectors. to understand physics u need to get the feel of it at least in classical physics. as we go further in physics and mathematics , the line between the two starts thinning. mathematics is mostly developed , not for a certain purpose, but physics is studied and developed with a certain purpose.
@ozdergekko
@ozdergekko 7 лет назад
Wow. What he showed in the last part ("modern" tests) is taught in 3rd grade here (12-13yr old children).
@Tr4newreck
@Tr4newreck 9 лет назад
that reminds me of the way deepak chopra talks physics... well not so much as talk about as spew buzzwords so he can sell books... every time i hear the guy say "quantum energy" or "quantum healing" ...i cringe
@mike4ty4
@mike4ty4 8 лет назад
+Tr4newreck Yeah, and in the USA at least there's an atrocious film "What the Bl33p Do W3 Kn0w" or whatever mash of symbols is in the title, which is also a total travesty of quantum theory. That's why we need more knowledge of real quantum theory. You may not need to be able to solve for the orbitals of Hydrogen as a general citizen, but you should at least know what an orbital means and know that it does solve an equation and isn't just "magic".
@Tr4newreck
@Tr4newreck 8 лет назад
mike4ty4 i wish i paid more attention to physics and math when i was younger, i'm so interested in it now, but so much deficiency in my math. ...but to then write a book about it pretending that i know... i could not fathom doing that. id be terrified somebody would call me out right away.... some of these people have no shame when they write with authority about things they barely scratched the surface of.
@fakjbf
@fakjbf 9 лет назад
I agree with Tony, if I have to understand the music of the Renascence when I'm getting a degree in Animal Biology, people getting a Music degree should have to understand basic biology. But no, I have to take a course about music from 1500-1900, and they will never have to know why the mathematics of evolution is so ridiculously simple that it would be more extraordinary if it weren't happening.
@liboud22
@liboud22 9 лет назад
fakjbf What are you talking about? Who values music history over science? You are the first person to feel that way.
@fakjbf
@fakjbf 9 лет назад
Square Root the people setting the requirements
@pearz420
@pearz420 4 года назад
I think the "liberal arts" paradigm of education is steadily becoming obsolete. Education is long-since no longer a luxury. In a very short period of time, we have gone from education, even literacy, being largely limited to the upper classes, to the point where illiteracy or the total absence of education in an individual is extremely rare. I think education needs to become more specialized and planned around the potentials of individual students. People tend to excel in what they are most interested in, and we would do well to figure out where people would be most useful from as young of an age as possible, for their sake and society at large.
@erinmurphy6993
@erinmurphy6993 10 лет назад
A+ level certifications, IB, Pre-U, Running Start, Advance Placement should start around middle school level not the last years of High School. Your expecting an accelerated pace when in would be better to cover the material and reinforce it over a number of years. If the students want to take college and A+ certifications at an accelerated rate when they are 15 then they should have that choice, but we should offer advance placement as early as the sixth grade for those who have the academic chops and require students to make a choice about taking A+ certs or some type of advance placement program when they hit the 8th Grade. Regardless of the type of advance placement or A+ technical training a student chooses we should really push math with an emphasis to have introduced either Calculus or Statistics to all students by at least the end of high school/secondary school and we should have those classes available in the curriculum as early as the 9th Grade with students being able to take the prerequisites as early as the 6th grade.
@bios546
@bios546 9 лет назад
Rip calculus out of physics? Excuse me but I think it is equivalent to a suicide attempt in physics.
@ragnkja
@ragnkja 9 лет назад
+SaiKrishna KVMB (eskp) Especially when you consider the origin of calculus.
@remixex369
@remixex369 8 лет назад
+Razorswiftz That's the problem, without calculus, you can't even solve a problem with air resistance! (considering the friction of the air within Newton's second law of motion, and work it out as a differential equation)
@lemue4972
@lemue4972 8 лет назад
+remixex369 you don't even learn differential equations exist
@thephysicistcuber175
@thephysicistcuber175 8 лет назад
I completely agree with you! you can only do dimensional analysis (which is still useful), but that's IT! what else can you do without calculus?
@thephysicistcuber175
@thephysicistcuber175 8 лет назад
I completely agree with you! what the heck can you do? you can only do dimensional analysis (which is still useful ), but that's IT! what else can you do?
@jonnyp1340
@jonnyp1340 4 года назад
As someone currently studying physics I've gotta say I really like the balance of what is taught, my biggest issue being how they balance content between AS and A2 making a lot of the harder bigger stuff crammed together in A2 meaning AS is like a cakewalk of well understood concepts that carry from GCSE and A2 seems to be a bombardment loads and loads of new stuff we may never get to fully appreciate. Lucky enought to have two fantastic physics teachers tho so :)
@xct321
@xct321 11 лет назад
In the US, if you take an AP Physics, calculus is a huge part of the curriculum. If you were to take AP Calc as well, depending on how your teacher goes about the material, you learn more calculus in the first month of AP Physics than you do in AP Calculus.
@foreverbored2501
@foreverbored2501 8 лет назад
Bro.. All I learned in my high school physics class is F=ma lol
@foreverbored2501
@foreverbored2501 8 лет назад
I study physics at UC Berkeley now.. I know more stuff :D
@AbiRizky
@AbiRizky 7 лет назад
ForeverBored really?
@sel5595
@sel5595 6 лет назад
ForeverBored what does F=ma mean ?
@VKHSD
@VKHSD 6 лет назад
ForeverBored not even kinematics? lol
@sasx1487
@sasx1487 5 лет назад
Facts
@yourlocalclosetedgaybestie3165
Wait... NO CALCULUS?!?!?!!!! BUT CALCULUS IS SOOOOOOOOO AWESOME!!!!!
@gooscarguitar
@gooscarguitar 6 лет назад
Maths is very commonly chosen for A-level (but not required) and at that level there is calculus. Also most people who do physics A level do maths as well
@FugieGamers
@FugieGamers 6 лет назад
calculus is maths not physics.
@gooscarguitar
@gooscarguitar 6 лет назад
Maths, especially calculus, is a crucial part of physics
@yourlocalclosetedgaybestie3165
Gooscar exactly. Without calculus physics is nothing because they are so related to each other
@FugieGamers
@FugieGamers 6 лет назад
Gooscar I know lol but it's still maths, in my country we learn calculus in a math class at least but I get watcha mean
@mk20130470
@mk20130470 11 лет назад
Hey Brady, how do you get yourself going on a swing without pushing off the ground? how do you generate the force while still being part of the system?
@stephennicholson2833
@stephennicholson2833 11 лет назад
As an engineer teaching physics, I have a different perspective. Most engineering involves Newtonian mechanics and other old ideas. We don't discuss Higgs bosons or relativity and you don't need these to go to the moon or design a car. These interviewees are physicists and they are excited about the newer stuff. Significantly more students become engineers rather than physicists. So I don't have a problem with covering the old stuff because they are laws and they don't change.
@MusicalInquisit
@MusicalInquisit 4 года назад
I disagree with this assessment because it assumes students should only learn the old stuff; no one in the interviews argues that Newtonian mechanics is not useful. However, a high school physics class ought to teach the subject generally. You don't want a Geometry class that only teaches us about triangles, but a whole breadth of the subject.
@coffeeguy.3438
@coffeeguy.3438 3 года назад
“...because they are laws and they don’t change”. Hmmmmm
@QuantumAnimus
@QuantumAnimus 10 лет назад
I would love to be able to just sit and talk with someone about this stuff. People I know quickly flee from the room when I attempt to speak with them about these things.
@robertbilling6266
@robertbilling6266 4 года назад
Do you want to be controlled by technology or to control it? Study maths, feel the power.
@Aalexandermartin
@Aalexandermartin 9 лет назад
High School physics in Australia is a joke as well.
@jennifer11963
@jennifer11963 11 лет назад
My high school physics teacher showed us that minutephysics video the other day and started talking about second year physics concepts (I'm in my first year) and you could tell how much more excited he was to talk about those things than he normally is when he talks about basic physics (pre-1865). It was also probably one of the most interesting physics classes we've had (although I may be a bit biased because I'm probably the only one there who knew, and loves, minutephysics and already understand some of these concepts). The basics are necessary, but I think it's important to bring up these concepts such as quantum mechanics, the higgs boson, and relativity to show that physics is a combination of math and concepts, and that the difference between physics and a normal math class, such as calculus, is that it is applicable to things happening around us (well, some of them) and that it has another factor that makes it more interesting and astonishing. Also, I think this was a great video, and it definitely made me question how physics is taught and it made me even more excited to learn the higher level physics concepts and math. :)
@political_one
@political_one 9 лет назад
I learnt physics decades ago, my stepson encountered it at GCSE. I was horrified by the change. Perhaps some of the change is a good thing - maybe a wider understanding at MUCH lower levels - but for those with interest the lack of maths is an issue To learn form you that Calculus is missing from the 'A' level is shocking. I really do blame the media who greatly enhance the anti-maths culture. It is never cool to praise or endorse ignorance.
@docgramps1
@docgramps1 10 лет назад
I'm struggling with the bias from the scientists, that math is the best way to understand physics for EVERYONE. The GCSE is exactly that, a General certificate of education - it has to give the same standard of eduction to everyone on a general, or broad-reaching level; by nature, it can't focus on the detailed specifics. It has to encompass every child, from the gifted to the lower abilities. The general population are either not interested or are unable to understand the minutia of degree level maths / physics. However, it is important that they have a basic understanding of the day to day results of that maths, just they don't need to be able to prove any of it. Eg. It is important to understand the effects of gravity, but when does the average person need to calculate out the effects of it in any more than a generalised way? Even in specialised positions, a general understanding will do. For (awful) example, it isn't necessary for a pilot to be able to explain to the quantum level the forces at work on the blade tips in their engine, but it is for the person who designed it. However, the chances that the person who designed it can also fly a commercial airliner are small, even though they may understand the principle of it. Both these professionals would be educated to at least degree level and may even share A-Levels choices, such as maths or physics. Neither requires to be able to work in the other's specialised field in order for the plane to keep flying. This is why we specialise at university. Some people do Maths and Physics, others do English or Music. It shouldn't be expected that the Physicist have a deep understanding of 16th century literature or compositions, but that doesn't exclude them from appreciating them, and so forth. I don't think that it is a failing of the education system, that their secondary school students are taught this way. It is more a constraint of the broad spectrum of student ability that they are required to cater for, given the need for the generalised standard imposed through the curriculum.
@WorthlessWinner
@WorthlessWinner 7 лет назад
If you don't understand physics in a mathematical way, you don't really understand physics. It's better for you to not know it at all and know you don't know it, than be taught some fluffy conceptual stuff and think you know physics, when you don't really understand it. A little knowledge is worse than none. Personally, I think making every kid take GCSE physics is a silly move, because it gets kids thinking they understand stuff they don't really understand.
@Mayank-mf7xr
@Mayank-mf7xr 2 года назад
@@WorthlessWinner Agreed.
@harshsharma-cd7xw
@harshsharma-cd7xw 7 лет назад
in India we see SAT and laugh as it is too easy
@BLUEGENE13
@BLUEGENE13 6 лет назад
most grade schools in india hardly teach spelling and multiplication tables, wtf are you talking about
@TheRightGuy777
@TheRightGuy777 6 лет назад
lol
@ERROR204.
@ERROR204. 5 лет назад
@@BLUEGENE13 have you seen the Indian physics exams?
@neeraj8278
@neeraj8278 5 лет назад
@@ERROR204. even with tough engineering exams, engineers in countries like Germany are more employable than in India
@gagan4012
@gagan4012 5 лет назад
@@neeraj8278 The teaching here is loads of bullcrap
@Gohka
@Gohka 4 года назад
Honestly this is exactly why I never pursued further education in the Sciences, even though I had been taught science at school with minimal maths and I absolutely adored the sciences (especially physics and chemistry) but I not only am terrible at maths, I cannot stand the subject and as disheartening as it was because like I said I really, really loved the sciences, but I knew there was absolutely no way I could ever do or understand the maths involved. As much as I do understand the annoyance that they aren't teaching these kids enough maths in physics, at the same time overall I think it helps to do it like that. I mean if my physics lessons had been full of maths when I was in school, I would have lost interest in that class so quickly and completely that I never would have cared about science for the rest of my life. I likely would have gone on to be someone who knew nothing about modern science and had less than zero interest in helping it out. Yet BECAUSE I was not chased away from the sciences by having unwanted maths thrown at me, these days I still love science, I watch and subscribe to just about every science youtuber I can, I do a few citizen science things, I discuss things within my understanding with like-minded people. If my science classes had too much maths in them when I was at school, I wouldn't do any of that stuff today.
@liboud22
@liboud22 9 лет назад
There is a simple fact, not everyone is capable of understanding advanced mathematics. Some people are good at maths, some are not. They are better at other things, like arts and literature for example. Shoving down maths in everyone's throat isn't necessarily going to help them, it will leave them frustrated. Yes, science is important, but so are arts, history or literature.
@99hourvideos
@99hourvideos 9 лет назад
I'm finding that if it's presented in the right way it can become amazingly more interesting. Some of these videos from Periodic Table and Numberphile etc really draw out a passionate feeling!
@MrJGWIN
@MrJGWIN 9 лет назад
let's make it simple: Art and history are not gonna make sure your plane doesn't fall out of the sky. math does. argument over
@liboud22
@liboud22 9 лет назад
G455N3R Sure, but as I said, not everyone is capable of understanding advanced mathematics.
@anonymousposter6461
@anonymousposter6461 9 лет назад
G455N3R Truly, flying in airplanes is the end-all and be-all of life.
@Edeinawc
@Edeinawc 9 лет назад
G455N3R Art and history might keep somebody from firing a nuke as the most logical solution to a problem. Argument over.
@AdamMcVeigh11
@AdamMcVeigh11 9 лет назад
Im only 16, doing my GCSE's in may/june. I'm in the middle of my mocks at the minute but instead of reading about convection, i'm sitting down deciding to read about quantum mechanics instead using a book i bought myself. But apparently i would fail my physics exam, therefore not getting to study physics at UNI because i understand quantum mechanics but not convection. The education in high school is a joke
@zappaidan
@zappaidan 9 лет назад
Maybe you should study convection and then study Quantum Mechanics in College. And if you think you understand Quantum Mechanics; you probably don't understand it.
@AdamMcVeigh11
@AdamMcVeigh11 9 лет назад
im not saying i'm not going to study, im saying i'd much rather study quantum mechanics
@ark_ryl9384
@ark_ryl9384 9 лет назад
Adam McVeigh I'm currently in year 12. Just did my GCSEs and I do understand what you mean but you must realise that although the concepts in GCSE science are easy, they do form the foundation of what you learn at A-Level. But A-Level physics is a lot more mathematical than GCSE physics so you need to have a decent understanding of maths and be able to apply it. But most of the reason that GCSE physics is very basic is due to the mathematical limitation of the subjects. As Prof. Moriarty said in the video, they have taken calculus out of A-Level physics which severely limits what you can learn and how you can apply it. But good luck in your GCSEs, if you're taking A-Level physics and maths my recommendation would be to do some pre-reading on your syllabuses as soon as you finish your exams.
@AdamMcVeigh11
@AdamMcVeigh11 9 лет назад
Cheers! I plan to take physics, maths, further maths and technology! I don't just mean physics though, i also mean maths etc I understand it
@AlchemistOfNirnroot
@AlchemistOfNirnroot 9 лет назад
ark_ryl Yeah, but looking at my AS it's just simple maths from GCSE. Trig, y=mx+c, quadratics (projectiles) and some other rearranging. But in year 13 (A2) a lot of A Level Mathematics appears (chain rule, differentiation, natural logs etc).
@royschreiber1
@royschreiber1 4 года назад
Still better than how they teach chemistry. High school chemistry teaches things that are simply wrong! They teach theories that are 100 years old and are so incredibly oversimplified that students end up with horrible misconceptions. When i give lectures to high school students i tell them to simply forget what they have learned, otherwise they’ll get stuck with the first oddity i show them.
@jamesspain3676
@jamesspain3676 4 года назад
Why not give kids a choice from a younger age... To drop classes they don't like. And the ones that do want to learn, can! And won't have to waste their time with other junk.
@Asrequired274
@Asrequired274 6 лет назад
There’s no problem with the current maths A levels. FP2, FP3, S3-4, M3-4 all teach uni level maths. Physics A level just needs a bump up to AT LEAST C3 standard
@sufsanin1917
@sufsanin1917 3 года назад
Well, some people are saying that we should learn even less of these things. They say that these 'unesesary" things should not be taught. They say that things like how to get a job, first aid and learning to do taxesis more important. I remain neutral.
@kevinsavo3650
@kevinsavo3650 6 лет назад
there are not enough demonstrations in physics classes. The math is easier to use when understood in context of viewable phenomena. Professors must remember that it is not just the math that is the problem, its the ability to put many equations together and remember what each letter actually represents. Physics classes are missing demonstrations that make the equations make sense. Teaching physics without demonstrations is like teaching music theory without ever having heard music.
@kevinsavo3650
@kevinsavo3650 6 лет назад
watch Julius Sumner Miller Demonstrations in Physics to know what I mean.
@kinnikuzero
@kinnikuzero 4 года назад
The problem is in the way math is taught and most teachers aren't willing to explain the importance of it, or they just don't understand it as well.
@trcvish
@trcvish 8 лет назад
I read about modern science myself in high school and my teachers told me that I shouldn't do that so much because the time for that will come in university and this is exactly the problem.
@HawkRed63
@HawkRed63 10 лет назад
The education system is not going to change a whole lot. For now I suggest learning higher level material in your own time. It should help in your exams as well.
@thelonecabbage7834
@thelonecabbage7834 8 лет назад
In Ohio, it's pretty common to see people struggling to round up when leaving a tip. It makes me kinda sad. How are we not an endangered species?
@jackstratif9988
@jackstratif9988 10 лет назад
Haha if you are confused by imaginary numbers you are in some deep shit if you want a degree in physics or math.
@William-Webb
@William-Webb 11 лет назад
I think a lot of math teachers have a sort of elitist attitude. They have a natural aptitude for math, so they enjoy it, so they got a job teaching it, but they have no empathy for students who do not have a their natural aptitude for it. We're just not trying hard enough or we're trying to be "cool" or we have a phobia or something. The truth is, I wish I were good at math & I try my hardest, but I simply cannot grasp it as quickly or easily as they did.
@workout9594
@workout9594 4 года назад
The math is not the problem, it's using only math without properly explaining the theory
@protazoid
@protazoid 11 лет назад
I personally think modern physics should be delayed until university, or only introduced briefly. Classical physics is less abstract and easier for students to wrap their heads around, so its a good place to introduce the maths involved in physics. Its sad that the west is dumbing down education to protect the feelings of students.
@TimBowers
@TimBowers 11 лет назад
When I did AS, we were doing all of that at A1 and lower infact. :/ I used to get bored and read all the textbooks too, sadly "no child left behind" means no child gets ahead. How dare we want to learn more than our class mates, tut tut.
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