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Prof. Antony Davies: Who Favors More Freedom, Liberals or Conservatives? 

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Prof. Antony Davies analyzes the fundamental differences between liberals and conservatives. He then proposes an alternative method of viewing political issues, which looks at policies and their respective impact on individual freedom. Prof. Antony Davies concludes that the conventional liberal/conservative dichotomy encourages us to ignore first principles, and hence, overlook contradictory views.
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@CaseyChristopher
@CaseyChristopher 10 лет назад
Just a note for everyone. This is also the way Libertarians see/view the republican and democratic parties.
@TheSkullConfernece
@TheSkullConfernece 5 лет назад
I thought that was the point of the video.
@SubscribetoEndTheLGBTcommunity
@SubscribetoEndTheLGBTcommunity 4 года назад
The libertarian party are murderous abortionists
@pip5528
@pip5528 3 года назад
@@SubscribetoEndTheLGBTcommunity Not at all. They're anti-war and pro-2A so long as people don't use their weapons for murder. There is a difference between murder and self defense. Also, they don't believe abortion should be regulated by the government but should be up to the individual. That's not the same as being an abortionist. I'm pro-life pro-choice so I agree with that philosophy. I would never abort a baby but I think the government should not enforce abortion or anti-abortion. Democrats typically want to force abortion and Republicans typically want to force anti-abortion. "Don't hurt people. Don't take their stuff."
@gauravagrawal4564
@gauravagrawal4564 3 года назад
Libertarian here
@pip5528
@pip5528 3 года назад
@@gauravagrawal4564 Same. I was nonpartisan for 4 years but nowadays I'm a proud Libertarian since I finally found a platform I actually liked.
@firexgodx980
@firexgodx980 10 лет назад
This man is 100% correct. This is why we need to disband republicans and democrats and instead vote on issues. But seeing as how that will never happen, vote Libertarian if you are Economically conservative and socially liberal!
@taoliu3949
@taoliu3949 9 лет назад
+firexgodx980 Even then, Conservative economic policies are not completely inline with Libertarian. Conservative is all about maintaining the status quo, and the current status quo of the economy is nothing like what Libertarians want, especially when we talk about issues such as defense spending (which Libertarians wants cut to the minimum). There are some overlaps that makes the two beliefs seemingly the same, but the basis for their policies and beliefs are different. Same with Liberals, many liberals takes social liberalism to the 'extreme' with policies such as Affirmative Action or completely banning religious elements from, well, everything. Libertarian policies are a lot more passive than Conservative and Liberal policies.
@vidyanandbapat8032
@vidyanandbapat8032 6 лет назад
Senator Rand Paul had elaborated this in one of his interviews that Republicans are good with most of economic liberties whereas Democrats are good with most of personal liberties. Libertarians are good on both of these liberties.
@JosefFurg1611
@JosefFurg1611 5 лет назад
firexgodx980 >economically conservative >socially liberal Being this vain and degenerate
@SubscribetoEndTheLGBTcommunity
@SubscribetoEndTheLGBTcommunity 4 года назад
I’m socially conservative and economically far right
@dostthouevenlogicbrethren1739
@dostthouevenlogicbrethren1739 4 года назад
@@taoliu3949 If conservatism is about maintaining the status quo, why is it the liberal college students that are shouting down anyone for thinking different, and conservatives that are run off campus? Your assumptions are the status quo my friend.
@nicscov
@nicscov 10 лет назад
That's funny, because I've been saying these two "First Principles" to friends of mine for a while now and so far they've been observed. I've also noticed that neither party holds to the exact definition of their ideology. (Modern) Liberalism is the moral absolute belief that there are no moral absolutes and that all laws should be based upon the fleeting whims of the majority. (Modern) Conservatism is the belief in moral absolutes (self-evident regardless of opinion) and that ONLY those should be the basis of law All the "issues" are just icing on the cake to keep us distracted.
@Joshimitsu20
@Joshimitsu20 10 лет назад
Agree with these definitions. Modern Liberals claim to have the market cornered for humanitarian efforts. They ignore the fact that Modern Conservatives can support the same efforts (most likely through different means) with moral absolutes.
@l000tube
@l000tube 7 лет назад
Well said, thanks.
@therasheck
@therasheck 10 лет назад
Mind blown..... I have always believed in freedom first. This means that if my decision brings disaster opon me so be it. You don't HAVE TO HELP ME! Your help is nice and if offered freely or with strings it still is up to me to take it. There is more to it than that but I find that I like first principles. Thank you!
@marlonmoncrieffe0728
@marlonmoncrieffe0728 7 лет назад
therasheck It sounds like you're a big fan of NEGATIVE rights, which many libertarians promote. Liberals and progressives back many different kinds of POSITIVE rights.
@FrankWhite604
@FrankWhite604 10 лет назад
I learn more from these vids than I did in college... real talk...
@bobmccarthy9491
@bobmccarthy9491 4 года назад
what college did u go to?
@countdublevay7327
@countdublevay7327 4 года назад
Do you make the distinction of what is fake talk in your comments?
@bouncingbeebles
@bouncingbeebles 2 года назад
You weren't made to watch this video. You chose to. Curiosity drives learning. It may have helped that your focus was not disrupted by a social environment (classroom)
@TehGodLord
@TehGodLord 10 лет назад
I'm voting for George washington!
@nietsnethceil4639
@nietsnethceil4639 6 лет назад
Let's go Alexander Hamilton!
@pip5528
@pip5528 3 года назад
Patrick Henry!
@axsenpai8914
@axsenpai8914 3 года назад
@@IS0T0P3_90 He considered slavery to be a necessary evil. It was an okay thing at the time but he was against it and even said that sometime after there would have to be conversations about it. Also, he let his own slaves be free when he died.
@praxlandy
@praxlandy 3 года назад
Thomas Jefferson was better
@Dbulkss
@Dbulkss 2 года назад
@@IS0T0P3_90 if you pay taxes you are a slave. Slavery never ended it just changed names. CALLED TAXATION.
@eddiesal7524
@eddiesal7524 8 лет назад
what Conservative is demanding "mandatory" prayer in school?
@johnisaacfelipe6357
@johnisaacfelipe6357 8 лет назад
+Strax Sal it was popular during the 1960s to 1970s in the republican party in america.
@eddiesal7524
@eddiesal7524 8 лет назад
and it was illegal in some states, not to attend church regularly, at the time of ratification of the 1st Amendment. So what's your point?
@johnisaacfelipe6357
@johnisaacfelipe6357 8 лет назад
***** true.
@peterkropotkin1158
@peterkropotkin1158 6 лет назад
you obviously never been to the deep south have you i live in south Carolina and we have tons of religious bullshit laws like that here
@michaelpaliden6660
@michaelpaliden6660 5 лет назад
@@peterkropotkin1158 I live in the south you live in the stat of insanety
@jacobthomas9766
@jacobthomas9766 8 лет назад
Owning a gun is a right, (and a personal freedom). Hillary's position on that scale must be very incorrect.
@MisterSandman009
@MisterSandman009 10 лет назад
Americans have backwards terms. Australia uses the terms correct. Liberal conservative party vs the socialist socially backwards party.
@dariusthurman8835
@dariusthurman8835 8 лет назад
Making the case for Libertarians.
@l000tube
@l000tube 7 лет назад
The case has not been made at all, Learn Liberty is a nice shiny output for old arguments on 'Libertarian' propaganda, the fact that these arguments are not new and we still have huge problems after all this time should be saying something, they do not work, its a fantasy. It comes down to the kind of freedoms these right-wing thinktanks are espousing, they couldnt care less about your personal freedom, that is a side issue that sounds nice for propaganda terms, they care (ultimately) about corporate freedom. They worry deeply about democracy because this means the plebiscite could take away their power to own everything that society depends on. Everyone likes 'freedom' but it is a term that is abused constantly by the libertarian right: NO your businesses should not destroy the environment; pollute our atmosphere; use innapropriate chemicals in foods and toiletrees; not pay any tax (because we all depend on roads and infrastructure which needs paying for) or offload any losses onto the state; buy elections etc etc, that is not the kind of freedom society needs. Other freedoms ofcourse are fine.
@sefisyara5961
@sefisyara5961 3 месяца назад
​@@l000tube ... You've just pointed out so many issues that have been disproven looong time ago ..
@l000tube
@l000tube 3 месяца назад
@@sefisyara5961 Elaborate further if you like ...
@ProfessorWag
@ProfessorWag 11 лет назад
Excellent video! I'm planning to make a video describing exactly how this dichotomy, or paradigm, developed, and why it is now obsolete.
@AntonioCostaAmaral
@AntonioCostaAmaral 11 лет назад
Bom vid - mas onde está o link para o original?
@dowskivisionmagicaloracle8593
@dowskivisionmagicaloracle8593 4 года назад
"issues" a.k.a elite-manufactured distractions
@alexd5637
@alexd5637 10 лет назад
I don't think that liberals want to prohibit prayer in school, they just don't want the prayer imposed in school, HUGE difference. Otherwise, it seems to me that liberals want as much freedom in life as possible, while considering economy liberty not as much important, just technicalities, mainly probably because things like taxes and minimum wage are not perceived as immoral (I used to be like that, I ended up libertarian). So, freedom of being gay, hooker, drinker, smoker (of anything) are very obvious liberties for a liberal, but a social conservative just doesn't care about them, they just want other people to follow their "morals" and they seem happy, in general, when sinners go to jail for smoking the wrong plant or being ostracized because they don't go to Church. To me, a working class liberal is a person that needs one last deep debate to become libertarian.
@harverc229
@harverc229 6 лет назад
Alexandru Dragoi lol lots of public schools wouldn’t want it no more now that we have a lot of students In different races who are Catholics,Muslims,Buddhists,and even little bit of satanism for now on. You don’t even know if Muslim Americans or people who love the devil would go crazy and make the school go chaos. You got public schools to do prayer.
@michaelpaliden6660
@michaelpaliden6660 5 лет назад
No
@AntonyDavies
@AntonyDavies 11 лет назад
I'm glad the video helped. The diagram I'm showing isn't my creation. It is called a Nolan chart. If you google it, you'll find short quizzes that ask you questions about specific issues that relate to freedom and then show where you fall on the Nolan chart.
@gneissday
@gneissday 13 лет назад
Finally, someone mentions that we should be arguing from first principles!! I frequently find myself in discussions where other individuals try to make their points based on outcomes of policy. This is wrong-headed, indeed.
@tldr1968
@tldr1968 9 лет назад
Universal healthcare is not "requiring everyone to have healthcare". It's universal, so it's just kind there if you want it. It's not like Obama care where you are fined or whatever if you don't have healthcare. Obama Care is just forced private healthcare, not universal healthcare in the traditional sense. I feel like these arguments are constrained to American politics, which is a problem sine American politics are mainly right wing. Even the "left" if right wing. Anyone centrist and beyond is considered a commie. This "Learn Liberty" is just American Libertarian ego-strocking. Not only that, but they have managed to totally skew the political spectrum with what Orwell (ironically loved by the American right-wing, despite being a socialist) would call double speak.
@isaacdaven
@isaacdaven 9 лет назад
Right but it's not private, it's publicly allocated health care.
@TheRequestNetwork1
@TheRequestNetwork1 9 лет назад
The only way to pay for Universal Healthcare is through taxes, which is through force. Thus Universal health care = less freedom is the point I think he's trying to make.
@tldr1968
@tldr1968 9 лет назад
You can make that case all day, but if you roll around getting a hard on for freedom, you will have to realize that by living with a group of people, you are accommodating them. Ultimate freedom of choice is impossible since different decisions would interfere with each other, that is why people compromise with each other in small scale relationships, and that is why we have a system of government on large scale relationships. With that out of the way, we could do two things, as I assume you would be inclined towards one of them... privatize everything, including the use of force, or establish a democratic union which makes decisions and enforces them through popular consensus. As I believe the former would lead to a pseudo-feudal tyranny, I am inclined towards the latter. Now for healthcare. The reason why most people like the idea of social allocated healthcare is not that they believe it will be free, but because they don't want their healthcare needs being met by people who are, at the bottom line, interested in profits over quality of service. You can make the claim that since they are interested in profits, and they are competing with others, this will drive the quality of service up. (on a varying degree) Not only is this empirically wrong, but it isn't even intuitive when considering basic economics.
@MoonLiteNite
@MoonLiteNite 9 лет назад
John Edwards in the end, i have to pay the government a fee, or buy their shitty product, if i don't the end result is me with a gun to my head...
@Matthew-Anthony
@Matthew-Anthony 6 лет назад
TL; DR Compare and contrast North Korea with South Korea.
@alienzenx
@alienzenx 10 лет назад
only a libertarian could come up with the minimum wage and universal healthcare as "less economic freedom". I want him to draw graphs on his whiteboard to show me how black is white.
@LiouTao
@LiouTao 10 лет назад
Minimum wage forces businesses to pay a wage that is not be subjective to free market demand. Universal Healthcare forces everyone to buy insurance.
@alienzenx
@alienzenx 10 лет назад
yes, that's the whole point of it. And yes, I believe absolutely that people should be forced to get healthcare insurance. Just like they should be forced to have a home, buy enough food to not starve, be forced to have access to drinking water and enough air to breath.
@LiouTao
@LiouTao 10 лет назад
The point here is CHOICE. That's what freedom means, to have a choice in the matter. People should not be forced to do anything, rather they should be free to make the choices to dictate their own lives. That is the meaning of freedom. By forcing people to purchase anything, you are taking away their economic freedoms. Libertarians believe people should not be forced to do anything, rather they should be free to choose for themselves because they understand their own needs the most.
@alienzenx
@alienzenx 10 лет назад
let's for the sake of argument accept that there would exist people who, given the choice, would choose to have no health coverage even if they could afford it. Of the 50 million people in the US with no health insurance, how many of them are forced to go without health insurance because they cannot afford it? Clearly the overwhelming majority. This is actual reality. The reality is, that the effect of making health insurance compulsary, is more freedom. Reality matters, not ideology.
@LiouTao
@LiouTao 10 лет назад
alienzen You need to have data to back this up... A lot of people don't have health insurance because they can't afford it, true, but there's also a lot of them who feel they do not need it. There's a reason why the ACA requires everyone to buy insurance, because many young healthy people are forsaking health insurance. ACA needs these people buying health insurance as well otherwise medical insurance costs would balloon out. That's how insurance works, you need to have both healthy and unhealthy people in the system so they balance each other out. Not being able to afford something is not the same as not having a choice, in many cases they CAN afford it, they just choose not to buy it because they prioritise other things over it. The ACA is not making anything affordable, it's making people spend money on something that they could spend it on something else they feel they need more. Money is not infinite, it's not possible to give everyone everything. Everyone has a finite amount of money, it's their choice how to spend it because they know what they need the most.
@fdpirigyi
@fdpirigyi 13 лет назад
Great video, more of America needs to think this way!
@manor1730
@manor1730 13 лет назад
"The wrong place to start is the effect of policies on people. The right place to start is at the first principles. Do we or do we not have right to property and life?" love this quote!
@GotmyplaceinHell
@GotmyplaceinHell 11 лет назад
precisely!
@AntonyDavies
@AntonyDavies 11 лет назад
It does. Violating assumptions doesn't cause the economic principle to be void. It just introduces some noise. It's like violating the assumption of a frictionless surface in physics. Introducing friction doesn't make gravity change directions. It just makes the analysis a lot more complicated in exchange for a little more realism.
@FabledNarrative
@FabledNarrative 8 лет назад
Mind....Blown...
@davo171
@davo171 11 лет назад
Great points here.
@YorktownUSA
@YorktownUSA 11 лет назад
I needed this video, sooooooo badly.
@yuothineyesasian
@yuothineyesasian 12 лет назад
I often hear the phrase 'control your work', or 'freedom of labor' yet I haven't heard anyone explain how that system would work. I understand the idea of redistributing capital but what do you mean (personally) by 'control your work'?
@mccormyke
@mccormyke 13 лет назад
Prof. Davis is the first person I've heard in academia that even remotely explains clearly what is going on. Thank you sir! Thank you! To go slightly further. Conservatives favor some liberties and oppose others. Liberals prefer this liberty over that one. Two things must then be questioned. Why prefer this liberty and try to suppress another? What is your definition of liberty? Is liberty, you being allowed to do it or me being protected from you doing it?
@Jotto999
@Jotto999 13 лет назад
I've always founds the terms conservative and liberal to be too vague and imprecise to have much relevance. The real dichotomy here is liberty versus statism, and I think it would help society tremendously if people understood that.
@fergusmacleide1795
@fergusmacleide1795 10 лет назад
Is this lecture available in print?
@jabronjunklove760
@jabronjunklove760 7 лет назад
Yes, but you have to hire a stenographer.
@samsam5886
@samsam5886 12 лет назад
If only everybody in the world understood these principles that make so much sense!
@bodinian
@bodinian 12 лет назад
I find this a very helpful video
@RougeSamurai77
@RougeSamurai77 12 лет назад
@residentzombie What does that have to do with mandatory prayer?
@slorrin
@slorrin 13 лет назад
@ridaderek exactly. You have to look at long term results. I invite you to do so.
@aliaandreadi
@aliaandreadi 12 лет назад
excellent vid
@Garegin
@Garegin 11 лет назад
@ Prof Davis. The freedom axis is a fine way to analyze things. But to throw into the mix is the freedom from sin angle and the protestant insistence in the absence of perfect free will.
@MrLordNacho
@MrLordNacho 12 лет назад
I can't go deeply into details because I don't know enough, certainly what you suggested would work and for safety I would think of a small (5, 10 maybe 15%) fixed income tax to fund law-enforcement (for all areas of the market).
@wesleytaylorviadomus
@wesleytaylorviadomus 11 лет назад
So, both are at a tie?
@pinkd0g145
@pinkd0g145 12 лет назад
@MegaLazygamer you realize that change came with a change in the locations of the issues. He didn't say Liberals want more freedom, instead he said that you can classify those same issues in a very different way.
@MegaLazygamer
@MegaLazygamer 12 лет назад
@jackie8mccall He may have defined the terms by way of the dictionary, but he interpreted those definitions in such a way to support his argument. Did you notice the part where he redefined the terms to "more freedom," and "less freedom?" That is redefining the definitions and the fallacy I was noting.
@RougeSamurai77
@RougeSamurai77 12 лет назад
@yuothineyesasian What does that have to do with forcing people to pray?
@MaxxTheMerciless
@MaxxTheMerciless 12 лет назад
Lots of things are about Power. Morality is a foundation that keeps you grounded when you possess and use it. It's a frame of mind that one must have if one is to use Power to both remain unharmed and to prosper and grow. This is analogous to how to succeed in any sport; your mind has to be grounded in the basic truth of the sport you're playing. If your football team believes it ought to be playing soccer, how many games do you think they're going to win?
@dbmasta
@dbmasta 12 лет назад
@kDest "Macroeconomics is complex." No doubt. But when examining any specific economic or social policy in isolation, look at the shift in incentives that are created. People who are affected by said policies, either directly or indirectly, will react predictably to the incentives they create. Almost invariably, that will explain the unintended consequences of every policy.
@TheMarkusFIN
@TheMarkusFIN 11 лет назад
Never thought it like this... OMG. :D
@marna_li
@marna_li 11 лет назад
As an ancap/voluntarist my principles are that everything in society should be voluntary, you should not force people and you should also of course honor your agreements. People should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies. They should be able to organize themselves however they want as long as people are not forced into to something..
@Blizeful
@Blizeful 13 лет назад
@Razgrits Nice idea on cutting other forms of spending. it might work.
@Watemon
@Watemon 13 лет назад
@tasp3 (however I find it more disconcerting that in lieu of a public option they would STILL mandate that I purchase insurance, when the private insurance industry is all that's left. I will gladly go on record and say I have no such intention of doing so, seeing as I loathe the health insurance industry)
@MrLordNacho
@MrLordNacho 12 лет назад
And let me just say that right now I am ecstatic, I don't argue to win arguments (argue isn't really the word I want to use but I can't think of another one) but to just make people think about other options there are.
@Kevashida
@Kevashida 13 лет назад
@Kevashida As a side note , let's say you own a house. You signed a mortgage and placed your family member's name also on the mortgage. You never miss a payment, you are never late. Your family member gets into fiscal trouble and has to declare bankruptcy. Let's say over medical payments. Still the mortgage payments are on time, and in the full amount, every month. What should the bank do with your mortgage?
@kayseeday
@kayseeday 13 лет назад
@Chad9976 I understand your sentiments, but I think he was bringing up that issue for the sake of the argument. I take it as generalizing the different stances of the role of religion in the government from both political sides.
@jasonr375
@jasonr375 2 года назад
I don't believe I have heard any conservatives asking for "mandatory prayer". That was simply put there to even the scales.
@LiouTao
@LiouTao 11 лет назад
The protective laws were eventually ruled unconstitutional. Still, it does not change the hypothesis that the lack of minimum wage would drive wages down to nothing.
@GioGziro95
@GioGziro95 8 лет назад
In political science, economic liberalism refers to the views favouring free trade and fewer regulations. I hate how Americans hijack the terms.
@dbmasta
@dbmasta 12 лет назад
@kDest "In addition to public healthcare like medicare and medicaid, and the simple fact that any private healthcare system is going to be more expensive for the same quality of service as its public equivalent (profits, remember)." Actually, under those systems, the profit is already excessive and is insured by taxes, reducing the incentive for providers to compete on price to gain market share. Are healthcare prices not currently set privately? What change would make them rise?
@BarbershopHero
@BarbershopHero 11 лет назад
I love this guy.
@dbmasta
@dbmasta 12 лет назад
@kDest (page 4) In summary, import tariffs only serve to reduce the wealth of the general public. However, certain domestic, less competitive & less efficient producers and their workforce will benefit. So, the policy serves special interests at public expense. Now it's your turn to demonstrate why anything I've said is either "unlikely" or false.
@HighlandChicken
@HighlandChicken 11 лет назад
I did, the only examples I found was banning mandatory prayer in school.
@saltysnacky
@saltysnacky 11 лет назад
Essentially yes. That is, if you define both as advocates of maximum economic and social freedoms.
@AntonyDavies
@AntonyDavies 11 лет назад
Minimum wages were enacted to prevent competition from women and minorities. There are plenty of historical citations on this topic.
@dbmasta
@dbmasta 12 лет назад
@kDest Typo: "which may be all their employers" I meant "maybe" not "may be"
@RougeSamurai77
@RougeSamurai77 12 лет назад
@becanshrman Depends on your definition.
@dbmasta
@dbmasta 12 лет назад
@kDest That interpretation of the statistics may or may not mean anything about the effectiveness of UHC. Correlation doesn't necessarily prove causation. Americans have very different lifestyle habits when compared to other developed nations, esp regarding diet. This is influenced by various crop subsidies, esp to corn farmers. This leads to (among other things) excess supply of high fructose corn syrup, thus artificially reducing costs of things like soda relative to fresh fruits & veggies.
@lonewolf031
@lonewolf031 11 лет назад
I think that each individual has rights at the moment of creation.. That is the basis for my beliefs.
@dbmasta
@dbmasta 12 лет назад
@kDest The hard thing about all of this is that we can't run scientific experiments on entire nations. However, having 50 states allows for a degree of experimentation, provided that the states aren't subject to federal mandates. So, if either of us is wrong, then the mistake is that much more widespread. If UHC, or any policy, turns out to be such an unquestionably great idea at a state level, then other states would be pressured to follow suit to stay competitive.
@MathUHenry
@MathUHenry 10 лет назад
Actually makes a good point. (Pardon the details.)
@benzorabidbilly
@benzorabidbilly 12 лет назад
Just FYI, I have never worked for minimum wage (except a couple weeks at a restaurant job during high school, long long ago). My very next job was far above minimum wage and I was a young yahoo, no special education or training. So I'm not arguing at all from a standpoint of being deprived. I'm a retired physical scientist. However, even with moderate income, I can still empathize with someone who has to accept inferior service as critical as healthcare due to low wages.
@Meop79
@Meop79 12 лет назад
I wish this guy had been one of my college professors...
@FletchforFreedom
@FletchforFreedom 11 лет назад
As a principle, it might appear to be sound; in practice, it doesn't come close. The issue is freedom and the taking of personal wealth is undertaken by force and is, thus, by definition, not freedom. Overwhelmingly, the taking of personal wealth from some people has been overwhelmingly harmful to the quality of lives within society, particularly in the case of "public charity". So little is spent (even in the military budget) for defense, that hardly helps your case.
@SteveOfKentucky
@SteveOfKentucky 2 года назад
Although reasoning from “first principles” should be the quickest route to agreement between individuals or groups, it is only effective when both sides value reason/logic. This is often not the case. There are many (Nietzsche is perhaps the most noted) who claim that what one feels is more important than what one thinks. Attempting to reason with such people, even from first principles, is likely to only engender outrage in them, as they typically view logic as a tool for domination. (A current example is the belief by some that “2+2=4” is a racist notion promulgated for the purpose of undermining minorities.)
@Kevashida
@Kevashida 13 лет назад
@ridaderek That is why 80% of all failed mortgages can be traced to things like predatory lending, bank gimics( adjustable interest rate that start off low, with the lenders saying the interest will not raise and then the interest doubling.) Yes, one in five bad mortgages of the crash can be traced back to home owners, and at that number it still would have been a horrid thing, but four of five are the banks fault.
@gwho
@gwho 7 лет назад
I like this guy's swagger Intelligent but not nerdy Assertive but not domineering or egotistical Empathetic and relatable, but not a pushover.
@LearnLiberty
@LearnLiberty 7 лет назад
Thanks for your feedback! Here's more of Prof Davies ru-vid.com/group/PL-erRSWG3IoAQEzpfjrflNpZZNjcMS9vb
@skatelongboards
@skatelongboards 13 лет назад
@Infantry9 i agree with your statement.
@badluckwitcarpet
@badluckwitcarpet 12 лет назад
@badluckwitcarpet . . . which goes back to why the income tax is unconstitutional. Our founders saw that it wasn't good to tax "private moneys" - which is what income usually is, for most people. Also, the same money shouldn't be taxed twice, which is also what the income tax does - you get tax taken out of your check (which is most of the time privately made money), then you buy about anything and its taxed again.
@AntonyDavies
@AntonyDavies 11 лет назад
Classical liberalism is a philosophy that begins with the assumption that each person owns himself and then constructs a body of principles that flow logically from that assumption. Libertarianism is a political movement that seeks many of the ends that can be justified using classical liberal thought.
@LibertysetsquareJack
@LibertysetsquareJack 13 лет назад
This prof is totally reasonable and his point shoots straight to the heart of the matter. That is why I am a libertarian, small "L." Principles and philosophy over party. Once Americans can start putting the partisanship aside, and using their Reason instead of their emotions to make political decisions, we will have Liberty again. PS: and WTF is with people disliking this video? Are people that insecure about their little partisan paradigms and dogmas? No wonder this country is so ****ed up.
@jmw1500
@jmw1500 12 лет назад
Leaders are held to a higher standard because of the culture branched off from Europe where the ones in power used to be kings. Most kings I have read about have an ego so they hold themselves up higher than the rest. In other cultures the leader does not hold themselves up. They are performing a public service and are in it to help not gain prestige. Which culture do you think is more productive?
@theDoubleA1245
@theDoubleA1245 10 лет назад
What? Who said that?
@dlbattle100
@dlbattle100 10 лет назад
"The wrong place to start is with the effect of these things on people, the right place to start is at the "first principles."" That says it all right there. Fuck people my principles are more important.
@striker3369
@striker3369 12 лет назад
I'm sorry, I could have sworn I saw Dubya's face in the "Economically Conservative" part of the graph. That must have been a mistake on LearnLiberty's part. I hope they correct it soon.
@MaxxTheMerciless
@MaxxTheMerciless 12 лет назад
By Liberty and Freedom are not synonymous. Liberty is merely being "free from" constraint. Freedom means you are free to rule yourself to a certain extent, but there are constraints because you are not an island. You are not autonomous. You have to live among others, unless you want to dwell in international waters for the rest of your life, but how productive could you possibly be? Freedom requires both liberty from and purpose toward a productive goal to be, otherwise it isn't.
@MrLordNacho
@MrLordNacho 12 лет назад
I would agree to that too, it would certainly be much better than our currrent system
@AntonyDavies
@AntonyDavies 11 лет назад
You are mistaken. First, the average person in the US earns around $40,000 a year in wages (the median is lower; probably around $30,000). Second, according to Congressional Budget Office numbers (which are linked from the White House website), the average one-percenter pays a 28% tax (all federal taxes combined) compared to 14% for the average middle-class person. These numbers are *after* applying deductions, exemptions, loopholes, etc.
@jackie8mccall
@jackie8mccall 12 лет назад
@MegaLazygamer He defined the terms according to what they mean via Webster's dictionary. Then placed issues on a chart based on what people believe they are. The only fallacy I see is ignoring Webster's dictionary.
@dbmasta
@dbmasta 12 лет назад
@kDest "before new businesses pop up to take in these workers." Why will new business pop up? Why haven't they shown up already, and if they have, why haven't they been able to attract local workers away from the multinationals' factories? Living standards have already increased thanks to sweatshops. The fact that those workers voluntarily accept such jobs shows that the alternatives were worse. I'm all for local business thriving too, but how will tariffs somehow bring that about?
@Spudst3r
@Spudst3r 13 лет назад
I disagree with the conclusion that we must think not in "issues" but in "first principles." We like to follow ideological divides because it allows us to avoid acknowledging that the world is complex and not easily explained. Nuance is the least comforting, but best approach to dealing with the world around us. Just think: Our existence in this universe is completely inconsequential. The political divides we've created for ourselves comes from a fixation on our imagined self importance.
@Truthiness231
@Truthiness231 13 лет назад
@Chad9976 It's almost always a local issue, but it's common and seemingly never-ending. Google "prayer in school news" and you'll see the top ones are less than 48 hours, an issue going back and forth in Texas over prayer at a high school graduation. These issues sadly won't go away until we address them as a whole, and we can't when our country can never focus on a single issue for more than a few seconds... I hate to say it, but the internet might have diffused us into too many subjects...
@Brownyman
@Brownyman 13 лет назад
Holy fuck! I think my brain just came!
@MrLordNacho
@MrLordNacho 12 лет назад
With this answer my sentence still holds true: - government interference has helped few, while making things worse for many (many being the workers that get fired, or can't get a job and have to find work as self-employed agents) and stop answering so quickly, I can't keep up (:
@Kevashida
@Kevashida 13 лет назад
@ridaderek I place economy among the first and most important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers to be feared.... To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt.... We must make our choice between economy and liberty or profusion and servitude.... If we run into such debts, we must be taxed in our meat and drink, in our necessities and our comforts, in our labors and in our amusements.... -- Thomas Jefferson You missed half of it. Context.
@FirstRisingSouI
@FirstRisingSouI 7 лет назад
Nothing about rights or liberty is self-evident. It's all arbitrary, based on ideas and values. This is why it is so hard to get people to agree about them. Saying something is "self-evident," is merely declaring it to be beyond question. Thus, there cannot be rational discussion about it.
@CharlesGervasi
@CharlesGervasi 11 лет назад
Very interesting talk. I kept thinking this whole "social liberal, fiscal conservative" is becoming a tired cliche. If that's so, why don't see more of it in politics? BTW, IF (big if) we're going to pay for everyone's ER visits one way or the other, requiring people to buy insurance may increase freedom by making the person who uses the care pay his own way instead of indirectly pushing it on to others. Thanks for the good clip.
@Partyruller
@Partyruller 11 лет назад
But in real life does this principal works because of the assumption of the sticky wages?
@becanshrman
@becanshrman 12 лет назад
@TheLeperMessi4h So you're saying we shouldn't have a tax bracket? I was more talking about the way corporations are taxed versus individuals (even though due to a few hundred lawsuits following the end of the civil war corporations are people legally), not the highest classes. I do think we need to raise the bracket on those who make their money from dividends and capital gains but not tax higher on smaller investment profits. I'm not saying eliminate taxes on the lower class
@anikinippon
@anikinippon 12 лет назад
@Saebeck32 That depends, Tibetan Buddhism is not simply a way of life or living. They have multiple gods and goddesses that they pray to. Now if you are talking more along the lines of Zen Buddhism, then I would agree.
@racehorse593
@racehorse593 13 лет назад
@ryanswan0 Good point, I just rewatched to notice that.
@AntonyDavies
@AntonyDavies 11 лет назад
No, the figures I'm quoting are the actual average tax rates that exist after the people take their deductions, loopholes, varying marginal tax rates, etc. Romney is one person. I am quoting the average of 1.1 million households.
@slorrin
@slorrin 13 лет назад
What if your first principle IS to first consider the impact of your choices on people, rather than to reduce the practical issue to the abstract to justify increasing harm under the guise of "increasing freedom"? What then?
@LoganBauglir
@LoganBauglir 11 лет назад
Yay finally proper use of the term liberal!
@slorrin
@slorrin 13 лет назад
One point in this film is that it is RIGHT to start from first principles, but WRONG to start with effects. No form of decision is wrong or right inherently. IF your principle is that you should declare absolute and unwavering beliefs from which you will not deviate, and then deduce your plans accordingly, go for it. That's your choice. If your principle is that the effects of your actions should be considered first, and that absolute thinking leads nearly invariably to harm, then thats ok too
@killerteapot89
@killerteapot89 12 лет назад
who was the guy on the top right who had the most freedom? I'm not ignorant, just not american
@Blizeful
@Blizeful 13 лет назад
@Razgrits How am I saying the system is corrupt? I am saying it will be too expensive to handle.
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