Project CARS 2 Should NEVER Have Been Abandoned 

Celebrated the launch of PCARS 3 by playing PCARS 2 :)

We have a very similar story as far as PCARS2 being the first step into more serious simulators. I still feel like PC2 could have been great. They just didn't care to make it great.

Reiza have proven that with hard work, dedication and love that the madness engine is capable of great things! Reiza have shown to the sim world just how lazy and greedy SMS are!

I actually loved PC2. I thought it got unfairly criticized a lot of the time. It had bad default setups, which I think gave a lot of people an incorrect impression that it had bad physics if they didn’t invest much time into it. There was such a variety of content and such a strong graphical and physics engine that there was a lot you could do with the game, which kept it very engaging. Rallycross, point-to-point cruising in high end street cars, circuit racing in GT or open wheel cars, and classic / vintage content. Only Assetto Corsa can match the variety of content, and that requires heavy modding with uneven quality. But the video is very accurate in pointing out that SMS did little to support the title, all but abandoning it aside from a few small updates and DLC releases. Bugs were never addressed, and no functionality was added to the game. That’s one of the things that makes PC3 all the more disappointing. If they had just put some additional development into the base set by PC2, the game could have been the epic culmination of the series and brought a lot of good will from the community toward SMS and Codemasters. But they went for the quick buck and the short con, and did basically the exact opposite. The truly galling thing is that I’m sure no lessons will be learned in this. Ian Bell will inevitably declare PC3 a success and Codemasters will just move on to their next abortion. If they do make a profit, it will only lead to further mediocre products and deceptive, pandering business practices.

I wish they did more support for PC2 and added tracks like Sebring, Road Atlanta, and Virginia International raceway along with new cars.

They hated EA, yet they joined another company in no different.

100%. It’s crazy how on the same page we are. I always said there was a legit simulation in PC2 and it blows my mind they didn’t stick with it. As evidenced by what Reiza has accomplished, they could have dethroned rf2, at its then state, if they had kept with it and kept fixing and improving. I do not understand what Bell is thinking with the way he acts and the choices he makes.

Same with me. On console, the day I felt PC2’s tires load up, the day I felt rubber under the car, not slush, that was the day I never played another game. The tragedy is, on console it was the last sim with a good car and track selection. And the bigger tragedy is, SMS abandoned the base that could have saved them. Console racers outnumber PC by a huge factor. 200,000 players play GTS’s online every week. On only 2/3 of the console base (going by sales numbers). That SMS couldn’t see that huge number and go ‘there’s where the money is!’ beats me... All GTS is is a more pad friendly PC2 with no weather, no time of day progression, and no track evolution. Dial in a pad model to PC2, add the curated online and livery editor, you got the GTS killer. SMS aren’t going to find those numbers for a casual arcade game. 8 fkn MILLION sales!!! 200,000 regular weekly online players! How dumb you got to be to not want a crack at THAT, not at Grid, or Shift’s old base of about under 1M..? They ain’t Slightly Mad. They are COMPLETELY MAD! 🤪😜🤯

I can't believe PC3 was in development for THREE YEARS! Coincidentally SMS also spent three years making their other recently released gem, Fast and Furious Dead End.

I was one of the people on that team, left the company after pc2. We tried our best, but leadership wanted to go a more "casual" direction for pc3.

I used to play GTR1 and GTR2 which was based on the same engine as rFactor on the Race2Play site, though I never actually got into rFactor itself. rFactor2 came about around the end of GTR2 when it started dying off online, and then I jumped into PCars then PCars2. Boy, I miss the days of GTR 2 league racing. Proper simulation that was. Made by members of an actual Viper Racing (Roos Racing) team that took part in the FIA GT championship featured in that game with feedback from the different teams that drove the different cars featured in the game. Also, around that time, car damage was actual car damage! Not bash into a wall at 100kph and you drive off like "tis but a paint scratch". Your car would be in several ruined parts on the track and side of the road. Hence the sim racing mantra: "Slower is faster".

Quality content as always. Hopefully SMS will release the source code of PC2 in the future so the community can fix the game themselves.

Agree with all that's said - AMS1 another classic case of sticking with the base and building on it - expecting AMS2 to be the same. Gran Turismo sport - another, developed over years. iRacing, Raceroom, RF2 the list goes on.. I'd have been happy to pay for quality DLC for PC2 - won't be buying PC3 for a long time to come.

“Toxic business practices always get in the way of true progress” Too true man too true.

Absolutely agree, Project Cars 2 especially is a stunning engine used with limited scope. But play with it and you have a full sandbox for racing fans. Project Cars 3 is a disgrace.

I really enjoy PC3, but my main issue is the step back from simulation. I would recommend it as an arcade racer, but I didn't want that. The cars just slip so much and it's so frustrating. You can't slam a high downforce car into a corner and feel the grip. The cars just lose all grip, go into a slide and I spend 90% of the race trying to correct accidental drifts. It's either drifting, or insane understeer.

That's strange man! I think the rubber felling on PC is almost unparallel (I never play RF2) but I feel much more connected with the car in AC and ACC even though the lacking of tire damping is noticeable.

I played PC2 exclusively for 12 months when it came out. Not once did I ever feel what he’s described as feeling the rubber or tire flex. I knew I should be feeling it as it was advertised like crazy by SMS prelaunch...but I could never feel it. For me 98% of the cars in PC2 felt like they were tripping over themselves through every corner. That’s the best way I could describe it. No lap or corner ever felt the same every time around the track. Some of that was do to set up sure, but I really believe the ffb in PC2 was so poor it wasn’t giving me the information I needed. It was really unpredictable. It could be super weak, vague and down right dead one second and strong yet smooth and informative the next. All in the same car, throughout one corner. On the other hand, an hour into AMS2 I was laughing out loud cause I could feel for the first time what SMS was trying to achieve with PC2. Or at least what they were trying to sell use prelaunch. The feeling was so incredible I actually laughed out loud with enjoyment. The only other time I’ve done that with sim racing was when I hooked my Oculus Rift up for the first time....which by the way was in PC2. I hated AC until I got a direct drive wheel, CM, SOL and the Shader Patch. Once I had all those all of a sudden the game felt incredible to me. It’s strange the dd wheel would have such an impact but it did. AC never felt good with my CSW V2. It was unplayable for me. I was always envious of people who liked AC as it had so many cool mods. Now though, it’s my go to title. I still really love rF2 and prefer how it feels over AC but AC is so freaking user friendly and has for the most part the cars I wanna drive. If someone could find a way to port all of PC2 content into AMS2. I’d pay hundreds of dollars for that experience.

I loved project cars 2 for his realism, even if I was never good at sim racing. I wish the next project car 4 will return on his old fashion.

I finally found the video I wanted to see from you on PC3. This one is so much more informative as it opens up the eyes and the minds of people to actually see what is really going on beyond the screens and our driving rigs. It could've been called PCars "Something" or even a new title, if that were the case, I'm pretty sure the topic wouldn't as burning. If you do look at it with another name, it fits in its own world. If you put it together in comparison with others, there's nothing like it. Some cars even drive better than in PC2, which is so weird. Because that alone should have been a simple update into PC2. But this is the type of situation that people need to see and get involved and take part of. If I had an investor, I would go against every wave in this industry to deliver the closest experience there is to sim driving/racing and that needs to be approached differently. Great video Ermin 💪

Hi Ermin. I've been enjoying your content a lot lately. Appreciate the effort you put in to expose things going the way they have. I feel justified in supporting Reiza from the beginning with AMS and AMS2 as like you say, they put in the effort to really make the most of the tools they have for the love of what they do. You can't help but wonder what would happen if Studio 397 had given them the keys to the rFactor 2 engine. PC2 is still one of my favourites though, and I've convinced my Dad in the last year to take up online racing with me of a weekend using that because of how accessible it is. Lots of fun, and far superior to what I have seen of PC3. Just need to convert him to AMS2 now!

And btw did anyone notice that out of nowhere PC2 received exactly the same car models that are found in PC3 as "mods". And this was like one month before PC3 launched. I find this very strange and kinda off...

I knew I heard Northlane! Thought I was going mad 😄 nice choice of music, glad to hear it used

This has to be the most tragic sim racing story to date 😣

"If you don't like this FUN racing game then there is always Project Cars 2! I also refer you to Automobilista 2!!!" - Ian Bell (yes this was an actual tweet)

i actually really love PC2, the only thing that i found to be frustrating in it is that damn 'pendulum' effect the cars have sometimes wich make them impossible to get back on the track when the rear of the car slide a bit too much for the game, but in fact shouldn't be impossible to catch back in reality.

They should have kept the Project CARS: Revolution name to avoid any confusion of what PC3 was going to be, much like Forza Motorsport & Forza Horizon. It would have separated it from the first two games. Automobilista 2 is the true successor to Project CARS 2 as it uses the madness engine & is an improvement on PC2 in terms of physics.

It is genuinely sad that Reiza doesn't have the funds or manpower to truly give us the best racing sim out there. but dang they are really close!

Another brilliant video. You're a legend, Ermin.

PC2 is hard to beat for VR immersion. Great car selection and visuals, and the positional audio of the engine sounding like its in front or behind you cant be beat.

Your background music is awesome

Your captivating presentation of a story surpasses your lack of experience on the topic. Subscribing.

project cars had me to start with simracing. I was a gamer back then but didn´t like motorsports at all. My dad on the other hand was a motorsport fan but disliked videogames heavily. So one day I bought project cars because it was on sale and I wanted my dad to see how good videogames can be. So we started sitting down with the one gamepad I had for my PC, needless to say we couldn´t stop playing :D. After that day my dad would come to my room and ask if I want to race with him on Project cars. Later we bought 2 Logitech wheels. We also started to watch races together, we even went to the DTM live. Now years later I am at Uni in another town and we still race against each other online ( obviously not project cars anymore XD ) . Next week my old logitech wheel is going to be replaced by a fanatec one :D . So yeah thats the story how a "simcade" could turn me into a hardcore motorsport fan and my dad into a gamer, this game brought us really close together.

I'm playing PC2 GT3 class on Xbox controller. It seems pretty good in terms of handling. Which other classes of cars aren't broken and work correctly?

You should win some kind of award for this video. I've not heard it put so plainly and directly and its all completely true. A masterpiece of a video this really well done mate....👍👍👍

This is just sad. SMS aren't seeing any more money out of my pocket.

i bought PCars 2 for $9.59 today.......i wanted to get part 3, but i havent heard really good convincing news about it to warrant me spending $60

Thank you for this video! It needed to be said.

I think you under-estimate the work done on the Madness Engine between PC1 & 2. They reworked the graphics engine - improved lighting, 3D trees and proper triple screen support. They introduced gravel, snow and ice terrain physics. They improved the tyre model and brake model. They introduced proper induction simulation . Altitude now affects power and aerodynamics. They did some changes to dampers and limited slip diffs. They improved saving user made setups (yes PC1 was terrible). Ironically given the direction in PC3, they did a lot of work on pitstops - in PC1 you didn't have manual control in the pitlane. They added animated pitcrew and a few innovative features such as no unsafe release. They did a lot of work on dynamic weather and track - not just puddles but detailed track temperature simulation. Check out these videos ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-yNiYDgv9I8w.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ebvu9I3DL_s.html - rF2 has nothing like this. Oh and they made a new UI - something we have been waiting 4 years for from another developer.

WELL DONE, just well done!

How do you change to kmh its stuck at mph for me

My first close to sim experience was back with need for speeds shift and shift 2. Thats where the tires and physics model for ProjectC originated. The unique camera of cockpit view where your drivers head actively looked towards the apex. The unique damage model combined with bluring at speed. And white knuckle shaking, rattles and engine sound. It wasnt a super realistic sim. But it did push me towards more realistic sims as i was only experienced with the original 4 gran turismo games. And shortly after shift 2, Gran turismo 5. Which was revolutionary at the time. Which was followed by GT6. I was still playing NFS shift 2. Now. My racing games are strictly sim. With a little arcade fun thrown in Project c2 Dirt rally 2.0 for some rally sim. Wreckfest for some demolition derby. And the crew 2 for arcade "road trips" across america. All Good fun with a wheel.

I still play PCARS2 and enjoy, the tuning is great, controller settings are great, rubbering in, puddles and weather fx all keep me playing, setting up lap times, community events

Watching some of your videos, I'm growing increasingly happy with my Humble Bundle of both Assetto games, both Automobilista games, and rFactor 2. XD - I wasn't so sure of the qualities of all games, but it seems that all of them are praised (and criticized) for different aspects. - The bundle also included DRIFT21 and NASCAR Heat 5, but... meh, nice bonus-games to try, I suppose. Although, the Nascar one actually seems to have a better rating than the Drift-game... - Anyway, the point of me bringing it up is just that I was so confused on which ones to get for years, but I'm now glad that I never just jumped on a Project CARS game, as basically, if not Assetto, Automobilista or rFactor are just the better versions of it. - And that matters to me, because I have many more interests than just playing racing-games, so I need to be selective. - But yea, good stuff. Now I just need a proper wheel and pedal set to get the most enjoyment out of it. XD

How do you set it up to handle more like forza find it super hard for some reason cheers in advance

Does PC3 have a large Ferris wheel at Brands Hatch roughly where the M20 is? I hope I'm wrong!

You got the nail on the head , so many people are frustrated and yet the devs and company's who support then don't care

Would it be possible to mod some of the cars from PCARS 3 into 2?

Project Cars 2 is what finally hooked me in sim racing. I went from Froza 7 to F1 2019 to PC2.

respect for the Northlane background music!

Do I hear Ridge Racer in the beginning? Earned a sub!

Again, well done!!

Those marbles effect and sound are awesome in AMS2.

I completely agree with the points but I feel like this was more EAs doing then Codemasters. We all know EA has a history in releasing the same games all the time.

The dude just played half of the newest Northlane album! Boosted the video so much!

Thank you for articulating your opinion in such clear fashion, Ermin. I would put my signature under every single word you said, although I would point it towards the original Project CARS from 2015. The way SMS killed first iteration of the franchise made me sure that this company will not see a single penny from me anymore. I cannot believe they are not ashamed to release third half-baked game in a row and there are still regular gamers who are willing to pay full price for it.

i’m redownloading project cars 2 after a couple of years a way. i miss some of the content it had and i can’t wait to get back into it. It got a lot of unfair hate from people not willing to spend the time with it

Such potential with this series never reached in my opinion, i passed on PC3 and will continue to play PC2.

Great video Still loving Project cars 2 ❤️

I have in my collection Project Cars 2, Assetto Corsa, Assetto Corsa Competizione, rFactor 2, Automobilista 2 and iRacing, but whatever i try, i always go back to Project Cars 2. For one thing - it's the only game where you don't need to be in a certain racing team or following someone's discord, to get a full lobby racing. When you want to just have 2-3 fast races, you can log in and enter a random lobby with 15+ people which by the end of the Q gets to 20+. Compared to ACC where 8 people is so rare i mark it on the calendar it's way more fun. The lower system requirements also help to get better FPS, when you are still on old GPU because of the "cool" prices.

I fell in love with Madness Engine right from the very 1st training race in original NFS Shift back then, and being not a simulation lover kinda person (but a 'Oh wow look at these grepiks!' kind), I still loved the handling & physics there, not to mention how much was I stunned by the visuals and presentation. Years later the original pCARS launched, and it's still one of my fav racers out there. Now hearing how tech & physics-wise the engine is actually well capable of, I can admire its power once again. Too bad the future of this tech isn't as bright as it possibly could... Looking at both pCars3 & the latest F&F game I just feel so empty and sad.

The 1998 GT1 cars are still excellent (especially the Panoz). Some of my absolute best sim racing experiences have been with those cars in PC2.

great video, spot on.

I’ve seen a lot of people talking about atuomoblista coming to console to bridge to market gap pc3 blew open

Never Bought PCars, rFactor 2 Lifetime Sub and AC which im now enjoying some beautiful content such as the BTCC Legends 2 Mod 3Design, and Most Recent AMS2 which is Fantastic!!

Project Cars 2 is still my favorite VR PC racing title. This is absolutely my feeling now! PC3 came out and I'm playing a lot of......PC2.

Having heard the soundtrack for the first seconds of the video, I only can wonder why Namco abandoned completely the Ridge Racer series... (Please remake Ridge Racer Type 4, thx)

Dirt 4 just had very safe "understeer" base setups... With a bit setup work i got my BMW M3 to the same level of fun and handling like in Dirt Rally...

I'm strictly console gamer and fell in love with Asetto Corsa, it ran silky smooth at 60fps on ps4 pro and looked excellent on curved lg oled screen. I use PCracer thrustmaster wheel with tha8 shifter. I tried Project cars 2 but it did not clicked with me every corner approach and breaking felt very lacking in FFD response after AC

My guess is having a cost effective release in the works made the company more appealing for a sale to someone like a codemasters

100% agree with you on this couldn't of put it better myself!

I agree 100% and encourage companies to look to the Warframe business model. They update the game constantly and make money through cosmetics. The game is absolutely free and people are happy to buy cosmetics because they want to give something back cuz they fell respected. And they sell communitie made cosmetics and share the revenue with the people who made it! You can even make coin in game. No need to buy it with real money! In the case of sims I'm not saying they should be free but they can built a more sustainable business model. People are more than happy to throw money at a companie if that companie works in an ethical manner. I never understand the greedy mentally because is never sustainable nor ethical and more than not take companies to decline! Who everything wants, looses everything, more often than not.

Shoutout to Northlane for the song at 1:47. Called Rift off the album Alien!

Is this video about pcars2 or rfactor2?

4:52 Song?

I love Project Cars 2 and still play it. The tire and track models are really really good and don't give that wired feeling of instability most Sim do have. The only problems i have with this game? The tracks are cool but don't match the real once and there is a hard clipping between drifting and griping which makes it really hard to drift. But the amount of content is awesome. Small teams are no problem at all wouldn't mind a game where you had to buy series, tracks and events over time and polish the game over years. If you got the right community manager that can prioritice content for money you could build something amazing out of PC the code and tools and content is allready there it's just not used at all.

Ridge racer type 4 music... love it

"disingenuous and shady marketing"? Sounds like Ian Bell!👍

Professional work, one of the best, well informed videos I've seen in a while. The PC3 business stinks to high heavens. The content of PC3 looks like a crappy arcade game from way back, and when I've watched some youtubers streaming their game, I've been forced to ask whether they forgot the graphical settings on ultra low, since it all looks like an Xbox 360 game. For the life of me, I can't understand how they have to downgrade the graphics, when they're actually using assets from a previous game where those same assets ran with fluency on a much higher resolution.

with that collision physics when car can do a side 180 flip when on touch - it should :) this is NFS shift remastered whole time

I like how well-made your videos are, but I can't agree with a number of things you said here and I think people fail to realize they are trying to compare big companies with medium-sized studios and small development teams, putting all in the same pot like they are, at all, comparable. rFactor 2 can be awesome when it works, but it often brakes. The progress they've achieved in 7 years is insufficient imo. Development pace is very slow. There's only a couple of tracks and cars using the new shaders and materials that make the game look good and even that is a bit subjective. The vast majority of official content is still lacking behind. Some of those can't even be fully updated for licensing reasons as they've explained in the past. There are game braking bugs, mainly with the AI and racing rules, that still persist for years and years with no sign of a fix as they continue to focus on graphics, "new" UI and multiplayer competition system. I try to support the devs purchasing every DLC but I can't recommend rFactor 2 at this state. The Dirt series of games is also a controversial topic as it's not evident due to bad naming, but "Dirt Rally #" and "Dirt #" are two different series, one being more arcade, the other leaning more towards simulation, so no point in trying to compare Dirt Rally with Dirt 3/4 and Dirt Rally 2.0. Yes, recycling content from Dirt Rally in Dirt Rally 2.0 is not great, but it's not a straight port. The visuals are vastly improved in Dirt Rally 2.0, to the point that they needed to do an art pass on all the stages. In some cases they added new mechanics like the awesome ice on the track in Monaco, that no other rally game has. Not to mention Rally Cross which is a lot more fleshed out in the new game. pCars 2 is another divisive game. I had a similar experience when I first started simming with my G29: I hated AC and loved pCars 2 at first. And I was like that for the better part of a year, until I learned to mod AC, to fix my FFB and started playing other sims and better informing myself on what good FFB and vehicle dynamics were actually supposed to feel like. That's when I realised pCars 2 had a lot of potential, but was essentially a bad, inconsistent sim. FFB was mainly terrible on my G29 and later Fanatec CSL Elite wheels. 90% of the cars felt bad, sliding too much, and had terrible traits like too much understeer on corner entry and too much throttle oversteer. When I realised all that I started appreciating the other sims a lot more: AC, ACC, AMS 1/2, rFactor 2. One last thought about comparing different companies: Codemasters is a big company that need to pay a lot of developers that make tools, engines, marketing, publishing, QA, Customer Satisfaction, HR, C-level business men, investors, etc, etc. Not that I agree fully with their business practices, but their operational cost is a fact we can't ignore. Maybe they doing this is the only way to make a company that big still maintainable in such niche segments. I still think it's a small miracle we get rally sims from them. And while I love Reiza and can see the good work put in by Studio 397 on rFactor 2, neither of these teams needed to develop an entire game engine with supporting tooling to actually develop stuff on top off, not to mention the other departments you have on a big company, where a small studio can live without. Also, while amazed at their development pace, I often wonder if Reiza guys are overworking themselves and if that's sustainable in the long run. I believe we, as fans, should not take this kind of commitment as granted to de detriment of these people's personal lives quality deteriorating, if that's the case. Also, for all the hate SMS gets, and I think it's mostly due to a slightly mad Ian Bell character, there are unnamed heroes in there, you know, the guys that actually write the code that goes into the engine and tools Reiza is showing us all it's actually pretty capable of great things. Anyways, man. If anyone reads this, I hope you don't take it wrong. Just wanted to give my 2 cents to the discussion.

I wonder how much it would cost to buy the rights and code of project cars 2

2:10. Buy another hard drive and have them all installed. HDD's aren't expensive these days.

I’ve recently been playing PC2 and it’s still so fun in 2023

is rfactor2 ever getting something more than single races? like championships?

I still love Project Cars 1 and 2! Both games are still BRILLIANT to this day! I just hope that Project Cars 4 will go back to the series good old "PC1+2 sim" route again. But looking on the positive side, it is a great thing that there's now a Project Cars game for those who are into more arcade like sim racing games - There's now a Project Cars game for everyone.

Another video right on point.

Project cars introduced me to simracing... Reiza has truly taken the madness engine mantel with Automobilista 2

I love PC2, I learned so much more since I switched from FM6 to PC2. I can only hope that they return with PC4, if that ever happens.

@Ermin Hamidovic You might want to take a dive back into PC2 and investigate the possibility that there is more value in this game than ever before. I've just tried using the latest custom FFB from PopsRacer. It's absolutely incredible, IMHO! It beats AC and ACC by a landslide for FFB and gets ever so close to RF2. It might even be better in some ways to RF2. I'm not kidding. Some cars are better than others, but it doesn't take long to find a ton of good cars (I prefer race cars anyway GT1, GT4, GT3, and GTE's). As an incredible value, the selection in GT cars is still stronger than AMS2 or ACC. It might be fun to see a comparison into other FFB files as well... PopsRacer, Silver Project, Christiaans, Hugo's (old), Jack Spade (old). The AI still is average :(, but online play is a ton of fun!

I still really like project cars 2. The only thing I struggle with is that it gets boring. It might just be me but there isn’t much exciting stuff after about a week or 2 of playing

pc2 had controller support and with some tweaking of the settings for the controller you could be almost as fast as a wheel. pc3 is just grid 3 with a different name

You have a great channel. I respect your opinion. I will admit I like pcars1 initially, but then they didn't add into that game what they had promised so I lost respect for sms. Despite that I got pcars2. What a mistake that was. I hated it from the get go. I won't even waste my time with pcars3. I have automobilista 2 and I love it! Rfactor2 is great. Iracing is great. Dont need any other racing game. I'm covered. Keep up the great content.

im playing it now and its so good

Gt sport does the same thing with rubber building up as you go and you drag sand back on the track if you go into a sand trap and if you break on the sand you can tell there’s sand there you lose traction

Pcars2 is (IMO) the perfect mix of sim and arcade. You don’t have to deal with a bunch of other software to get a good wheel setup to work with it, it has perfect vr and multiple monitor support, you can go as much or as little into the tuning as you want, there are dozens of disciplines and styles to play around with or really go ham in, and on top of all that it works great as a casual racer with a controller and chase cam. I feel like other sims can become tedious unless you’re really into them, while other simcades don’t have the depth once you fine tune the difficulty and force feedback if you have a wheel. I’d honestly put this game above Assetto Corsa if it weren’t for the mods. I don’t find it nearly as user friendly or accessible, and Pcars2 still offers a significant challenge with all the settings on realism and the ai on 120% strength

Well said, long term development vs serial rehash... unfortunately corporate think is focused on short term earnings and doesn’t care if the model is sustainable - they’ll just move to the next product. The corporate gaming world is not going to improve, it is going to get far worse. It is the independents like Reiza (and s397) and some services like iRacing and Raceroom - that will be able to maintain a focus on quality instead of quantity and rehash / content flipping.

Very well spoken Ermin

I agree that SMS/Codies have treated Pcars3 like what they did with Dirt 4/Dirt Rally 2...the focus being money making and appealing to a wider userbase with greater accessbility,instead of building on that great original sim base. However,their F1 series has gone from strength to strength,theyve improved Career mode a lot over the last couple of years and the latest 'myteam' mode adds greater immersion..

Have you tried RaceRoom. I have R factor and RaceRoom. Most others also. But RaceRoom not only looks better then R factor2 but it drives incredible. I like R factor 2. But graphics in VR. Just not great. Great video. 👍