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Katy and Arden talk with caller Andrew, who wants to explore the possibility of mutual understanding between trans rights advocates and those who are critical of trans activism. Andrew challenges the hosts to define what makes someone a woman and questions their positions on controversial topics such as trans women in sports. The discussion becomes contentious at times, with disagreements over framing and accusations of dishonesty. However, the conversation covers substantive issues related to gender identity, biological sex, and social justice. The call ends on a respectful note despite the underlying tensions.
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@FelisImpurrator
@FelisImpurrator 3 месяца назад
I don't care about the trans women in sports debacle, because the people who argue the loudest about it don't care either. They never did and never have had an actual interest in "women's sports" beyond making it a bludgeon for anti-trans ideology.
@serabi_
@serabi_ Месяц назад
I hate sports tbh and having people use it as a way to continue their broader point of removing my rights makes me hate it more
@GuoJing2017
@GuoJing2017 24 дня назад
​@@serabi_I think sports are such a big part of our society and culture it's definitely worth addressing and thinking of the best way to cater for everyone, the hosts on this did a brilliant job though in this discussion
@segue2ant395
@segue2ant395 19 дней назад
I don't care about it mostly because it's sports. Sports don't vote, sports doesn't legislate, sports doesn't save lives or kill people. By its definition, sports is ephemera. The same people quacking about trans women in sports are also furious about realistic cis women or brown faces in videogames - because it's exactly the same prioritisation of aesthetics in ephemera over utility.
@sashag2196
@sashag2196 4 месяца назад
lia thomas tied with riley gaines for 5th, and yet gaines still wants to complain about it, when she got the same score she would have if thomas wasn't there. 4 ciswomen beat lia thomas.
@cambriaofthevastoceans6721
@cambriaofthevastoceans6721 4 месяца назад
My fave is the skateboarder who complained about a trans woman beating her, when they were both beaten by a 10yo cis girl. Like, honey, you were beaten by a child, the trans woman isn't your issue.
@wyldcardsam
@wyldcardsam 4 месяца назад
@cambriaofthevastoceans6721 if you have seen her skate she's not even good Like her run in the comp she complains about didn't do a single actual trick she just rode around
@clarissanavarro2762
@clarissanavarro2762 4 месяца назад
.... and 4 women beat Riley Gaines, and if Lia Thomas had not been there, they still would have beat Riley Gaines. I agree with you, Lia's absence would not have benefited her in any way. What did Riley Gaines lose exactly? lol...
@odinson6348
@odinson6348 4 месяца назад
I think her issue with that is that they got the exact same time, literally tied, but only Lia was given a trophy. But it does prove they're on an equal playing field.
@odinson6348
@odinson6348 4 месяца назад
​@@clarissanavarro2762 Um, Riley got first with Lia...
@sebastiankalstrom237
@sebastiankalstrom237 4 месяца назад
The one comment that andrew reads as being super positive was saying that the call was good because of how excellently katy and arden were responding. That had nothing to do with you bud... I'm sorry but they're awesome with or without you.
@FelisImpurrator
@FelisImpurrator 3 месяца назад
It's very funny that he invokes Hanlon's Razor, because in context it implies his defense is claiming incompetence.
@GorgieGus
@GorgieGus 4 месяца назад
To me, Andrew sounds like a man talking down to two women. I don't think he's searching for either answers or information re trans women, but I hope that I'm wrong.
@scotthoenle7693
@scotthoenle7693 Месяц назад
He was pretty good for the first 2/3, then mansplained his way our of accepting critique. Though I hate the mansplain concept, as we men do that to each other a lot too. 😊
@AConnorDN38416
@AConnorDN38416 4 месяца назад
Katy gives a very thoughtful and well explained response to the question about what makes her a woman and all he has to say is “that was a 5 minute word salad.” Maybe people don’t like you because you refuse to actually listen to what people are saying.
@theswissmiss69
@theswissmiss69 Месяц назад
What an asshole!😕
@IAmTheMorningandEveningStar
@IAmTheMorningandEveningStar 3 месяца назад
It’s the fact that there are people who exist outside social norms. There are cis women with voices deeper than my father’s. There are cis men who’s adam’s apple is barely visible. There are trans women with bigger chests and trans men with larger muscles. There are intersex people with full beards and curvy hips. Non-binary people also exist. A cis man can have pretty eyelashes. A cis woman can have huge, rough hands. The things you would be basing someone’s gender identity on are not solid. There is no genetic code that dictates any woman wear skirts or dresses. None that say men are required to have facial hair. It’s all very roundabout, very tenuous. Fact: As a person with a large chest and short hair, I would get called sir all the time from people addressing me from behind. Maybe making assumptions about someone’s personhood based on simple details about their appearance isn’t that great. Too many “kinds” of people exist. It’s just easier to not assume. To me anyway. I’m not obsessed with my thoughts about strangers being correct tho, so 🤷🏾
@FelisImpurrator
@FelisImpurrator 3 месяца назад
True and based.
@shanewilson7994
@shanewilson7994 3 месяца назад
Yup, hell a co-worker of mine who is a cis-woman got harassed in the bathroom a while back because she looks a touch masculine and someone thought she was a trans-woman.
@knoobiez
@knoobiez Месяц назад
The exception doesn't define the general
@serabi_
@serabi_ Месяц назад
​@@knoobiez in a binary system, which a lot of these people think gender is, an outlier quite literally breaks the system. On a computer with 0s and 1s, a 2 would fully brick your system.
@jamieoshea1681
@jamieoshea1681 20 дней назад
@@knoobiezsuch a failed attempt to cope 😂😂😂😂 shocker.
@toryalyn
@toryalyn 4 месяца назад
I grew up competing in swimming as a cis woman and I just can’t understand why people are mad about Lia. Is she supposed to just never win? Also she has lost to cis women. I grew up competing against cis women who were tall and broad shouldered so the challenge has never bothered me.
@randomusername3873
@randomusername3873 4 месяца назад
Is because she tied and was awarded while the other wasn't
@toryalyn
@toryalyn 4 месяца назад
@@randomusername3873 source?
@FelisImpurrator
@FelisImpurrator 3 месяца назад
​@@toryalynThey made it up. Apparently she was given her trophy a week later because they only had one prepared. That's it. That's literally all this is about. This just about sums up the extent of all anti-trans discourse in terms of seriousness.
@DavidGregory-qw4ws
@DavidGregory-qw4ws 3 месяца назад
It's unfair
@FelisImpurrator
@FelisImpurrator 3 месяца назад
@@DavidGregory-qw4ws Yeah, it's unfair that trans women get ridiculous amounts of scrutiny for politically motivated nonsense and no other reason.
@steveyuhas9278
@steveyuhas9278 4 месяца назад
Maybe it's just me, but I have a SERIOUS problem with this whole plea from the anti trans side calling for civil discussion. It's a condescending and downright privileged and whiny viewpoint. One side is literally denying the other side's validity as another human being. That's not ok. The fact that there IS debate at all is out of pure necessity and the people who do it and walk that fine line are truly to be commended. But I view their plea as absolutely ridiculous. It's settled science. It's settled psychology. It's settled biology. There's no debate anymore. There's just people who don't accept trans people are valid and want to frame it as a debate because of their bigotry. It's in the same category as a slave trader saying "I just wish we could have some civility here. You think black people have just as much rights as whites and I'm just on the other side saying they are livestock that can be traded, beaten and killed due to the fact that they are property! I just wish we could keep the debate civil."
@Emery_Pallas
@Emery_Pallas 4 месяца назад
Its like how creationim pretend there is still a debate on Evolution and the age of the earth because its inconvenient. (Or as you compare, justifications for racial supremacy by those empowered by it)
@carlosabram6030
@carlosabram6030 4 месяца назад
Yeah because they are the same people who are trying to essentially trying to roll back civil rights and wanting to pretend to be civilized about it as if racism and Jim crow was EVER civilized
@randomusername3873
@randomusername3873 4 месяца назад
​@@carlosabram6030as if the left has any problem with racial segregation lol
@carlosabram6030
@carlosabram6030 4 месяца назад
@@randomusername3873 if it was the 5th of gin we'd all be drunk... no one said the left doesn't have issues but we're way past racial issues in most cases unlike the right who still stuck in the 60s which is exactly what your make America great slogan is
@jamesmay1900
@jamesmay1900 4 месяца назад
"literally denying the other side's validity as another human being" What!?!? LOL You guys just make up shit and cry in a corner with a safe space....
@flamingogh_
@flamingogh_ 3 месяца назад
For the first 15 minutes, i figured Andrew wasn't doing too bad. Now I'm getting closer to 20 minutes and my faith is waning.
@sebastiankalstrom237
@sebastiankalstrom237 4 месяца назад
You know why people are getting upset at you in the comments Andrew? It's because every time you go to summarize what arden or katy said about your question, it's false! You keep on saying they said something that they didn't in fact say. Additionally, the way that you are going about this conversation is as though you don't have a position on what people think or how they feel when you clearly do! And also if you aren't actively willing to support trans people and what they experience you're a hindrance to them getting what they need in society. People are upset and justifiably so. Just because you don't understand doesn't mean that people are being rude... it's very frustrating. edit: I wrote this 20 minutes into the video, now 28 minutes in and I'm glad that katy and arden are calling him out on his shit, it was driving me insane. They're got wills of steel to have gone on so long with him being dishonest and misrepresenting their points.
@FelisImpurrator
@FelisImpurrator 3 месяца назад
That's grifting in a nutshell.
@flywire76
@flywire76 4 месяца назад
Is this the ‘trans women are the actually sexists ‘ argument?
@ViridianFlow
@ViridianFlow 4 месяца назад
Basically yes, but I think it more deeply comes down to "But I can't make a decision without perfect data, even though I do that every day constantly with others" It's a whiny, nitpicky way of begging for an excuse to not have to ever need to consider other people because it'll take a fraction of a second to consider the words they say before they say them.
@JimmyJamJack
@JimmyJamJack 4 месяца назад
Andrew, just because you wrote a book/paper about lying doesn't mean you are completely correct and have fully covered the topic. Also, "doctor", I don't believe you did.
@stylis666
@stylis666 3 месяца назад
Possibly a largely AI written highschool essay that he got an F for. I doubt that if he ever wrote or said anything about any topic that it would contain much useful and/or correct information.
@Krawnbundungle
@Krawnbundungle 3 месяца назад
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one amused at how pathetic an attempt that was to set himself up as an authority on lying lmao
@theswissmiss69
@theswissmiss69 Месяц назад
The „Why can’t we just all love each other?“ sentiment from people not really understanding the severity of minorities struggles.
@everfluctuating
@everfluctuating 2 месяца назад
i love it when people call in, ask the hosts a question, interrupt hosts the entire time they answer, and then conclude with an irrelevant response seemingly without having listened to a single word they said.
@ShyyGaladriel
@ShyyGaladriel 3 месяца назад
Love hearing about trans rights from trans people.
@madnezz1961
@madnezz1961 2 месяца назад
Lia Thomas is 6'1 and there is NO height limit in swimming
@Gundamman
@Gundamman 4 месяца назад
I'm sorry when he flexed his youtube channel and book, I grew more suspicious of this guy and I don't think he wad comming into this convo in good faith. And since he wanted one of the host on his channel I think all this was a ploy to get a rise out of the host.
@FelisImpurrator
@FelisImpurrator 3 месяца назад
Sounds about right, considering all the dogwhistling. "Oh, I'm not that extreme, but how about all these meaningless anti-trans canards about trans women in sports and 'trans ideology' and and and-" Seems like concern trolling.
@SapphicBibliophile
@SapphicBibliophile 3 месяца назад
OH MY GOD. The way he ignored Arden! I sometimes believed that he was sincerely trying to understand until the completely ignoring Arden's very good, straightforward points! That was more insulting than the "will you let me finish my fucking sentence!? shouted at Matt in a different video. There's an old term that fits this - Andrew gave Arden the cut direct! What a wanker!
@michelleslay2701
@michelleslay2701 3 месяца назад
For me describing trans women as men is akin to describing a hot dog as a sandwich It may or may not be technically correct depending on how you set up the definitions but if someone says they’re going to show me a sandwich i will absolutely not be expecting a hot dog
@PD-ws4td
@PD-ws4td 2 месяца назад
But they physically still are men; they are biological men who think they are women or just really wants to be women.
@kayla-ti-da
@kayla-ti-da 2 месяца назад
Wow. Lia must have had one crazy growth spurt. 6'5" Andrew? Try 6'1". Which is only one inch taller than Katie Ledecky.....Lying gets you nowhere. You can literally compare images of the two girls and they have very similar bodies. The main difference? Katie is an Olympic level swimmer with NCAA records. During the 2016-17 NCAA season, Ledecky set 12 NCAA records and nine American records while swimming as a freshman for Stanford University. Lia placed 5th overall in the NCAA Championship and set some pool records. Just be honest and say you think trans women should be excluded or last place. You aren't concerned about competitiveness in the slightest.
@jk2973
@jk2973 4 месяца назад
Andrew Gold can also be watched being uncomfortable about transgender issues on ‘On the Edge of Royals, Scientology, Celebs’
@Baddiebeebumbling
@Baddiebeebumbling 2 месяца назад
How do you know it’s Andrew gold?
@alexanderbrown8498
@alexanderbrown8498 Месяц назад
​@@Baddiebeebumbling I came to the comments to see if anybody mentioned him because I recognised his voice immediately. I'm fairly confident it's him
@Baddiebeebumbling
@Baddiebeebumbling Месяц назад
@@alexanderbrown8498 I think he was very respectful and pleasant in this but, Andrew Gold (if it’s him), has platformed and agreed with the worst monstrosities of humanity such as posie Parker/kellie jay keen so if it is actually him then this gives a whole new perspective. They sound similar but I don’t want to believe it because this guy sounds really nice 😔
@alexanderbrown8498
@alexanderbrown8498 Месяц назад
@@Baddiebeebumbling I've only watched the first 10 minutes of this, but the general consensus in the comments seems to be that he's actually being very disrespectful in this (not my own opinion, because I haven't watched it). I've watched a few of Gold's podcasts and I don't think he's anywhere near as right wing as people like Walsh and Shapiro. He's had a few trans people on as guests and always seems very respectful and understanding towards them
@Baddiebeebumbling
@Baddiebeebumbling Месяц назад
@@alexanderbrown8498 the man in this video is friendly, respectful and seems 100% well intentioned. Andrew gold on the other hand endorses Kellie jay keen, which means that if this is the same man in this video then the character in this video was a complete act.
@matthewscott7198
@matthewscott7198 4 месяца назад
If your sport doesn't recognize the reality that trans people are real and can play well, that's your sport's problem, and IDGAF. Meanwhile, in the real world, trans people exist and just want to live their lives, with access to healthcare, bathrooms, and every other public accommodation that everyone else takes for granted. Anyone framing trans rights as a subject for debate is automatically in the wrong. The debate is over; get over it and let these brilliant women and others like them live their lives in peace!
@MrKurtykurt
@MrKurtykurt Месяц назад
It’s tough times out there getting any p00$$y , huh bud?😢
@byrongatwood9247
@byrongatwood9247 4 месяца назад
Katy's explanations to the caller are deeply honest and important. It makes me sad when she talks about having to constantly "argue" with people. Why can't they just shut the #@% $ up and listen thoughtfully to what she is saying.
@benclark4823
@benclark4823 4 месяца назад
Because it’s complete and utter rubbish nonsense and everyone knows it. (At least the ones who are honest and still have a thinking brain know it is hogwash) why should WE continue to listen to someone who’s ONLY arguing based on their subjective “feelings” instead what of the empirical biological reality says is demonstrated true. It’s no different than when religious people base their “faith” on their subjective “feelings” and DEMAND that WE should do the same. How is this trans ideology not at the very least similar to religious beliefs? 😠
@emanekaf1543
@emanekaf1543 4 месяца назад
@@donsll I see your point. That being said, ignorance whether willful or ignorant needs to be shut down. Politeness does not equal understanding.
@emanekaf1543
@emanekaf1543 4 месяца назад
@@donsll sorry the controversy is about women, not females.
@aceinspadesz4882
@aceinspadesz4882 4 месяца назад
@@emanekaf1543 "The controversy is women not females" Aren't women females?
@emanekaf1543
@emanekaf1543 4 месяца назад
@@aceinspadesz4882 typically, but not always
@impartialthrone2097
@impartialthrone2097 3 месяца назад
If transition brought trans women to the exact same physical performance as cis women, some trans women would still win sometimes. Trans women winning sometimes is not an argument.
@topcat8804
@topcat8804 2 месяца назад
That's not the issue. Trans women who undergo puberty as male will carry forward increased muscle mass and hormones typically associated with men and have associated advantages. That's largely why women compete separately in the first place.
@coleford4258
@coleford4258 4 месяца назад
Part of being intellectually honest, and growing as a reasonable person, is to admit that life doesn't always fit into cleanly defined boxes. I really like the example of defining a chair that Katy used.
@jamistardust5181
@jamistardust5181 4 месяца назад
I knew I was not a boy at three years old. What are you, if you are not a boy. It's in the brain.
@metalnep
@metalnep 4 месяца назад
lots of 3 year olds aren't even aware at that point that they exist. If anyone says they made a decision on their gender identity at 3 you know it's a lie
@benclark4823
@benclark4823 4 месяца назад
Maybe not the 3 year old. But literally EVERYONE else who is not blind/deaf/dumb can physically SEE it to be true. Just because the toddler himself can’t understand it YET doesn’t mean he’s biologically a girl morons. 🤦‍♂️
@benclark4823
@benclark4823 4 месяца назад
@@donsll there’s also a BIG difference between a person’s chemical reactions in the brain compared with what they’re XY chromosomes and biological makeup SAYS about their biological gender that completely contradicts your argument. Tell me what more “real” a chemical reaction in the brain that science BARELY understands. OR what the observational and biological reality’s that shows us is in our very DNA to be demonstrably true. 🙄👉 🧬
@ViridianFlow
@ViridianFlow 4 месяца назад
​@@donsll What is a feeling though? From what science can tell, a feeling is the result of countless complex chemical reactions in the brain. Pretending that feelings are somehow different from the physical and chemical is to assume duality.
@ViridianFlow
@ViridianFlow 4 месяца назад
@@donsll Seems like we're in agreement then. All good, I just too often see people making arguments like emotions are different to biology in some way when in reality, everything you think or feel is a chemical reaction so everything is just as physical to the person feeling it as anything else.
@MathIguess
@MathIguess 3 месяца назад
Disappointing comment section here, damn Lots of people misgendering and being disrespectful to Katy and Arden. I thought they did a really good job answering Andrew's questions here.
@lloroshastar6347
@lloroshastar6347 3 месяца назад
transphobes are always invading the comments, a lot of them are bots, many more just have a cult-like devotion to being anti-trans and will spend most of their life attacking anyone who doesn't support their agenda.
@CampCounselerSteve
@CampCounselerSteve 4 месяца назад
>What makes you a woman? Because I am a woman. It's a matter of self identification.
@gamesexpress1432
@gamesexpress1432 4 месяца назад
@@steved5960found the bigot.
@benselander1482
@benselander1482 4 месяца назад
​@@DorkSideoftheMoon women are fictional to you, that tracks
@Emery_Pallas
@Emery_Pallas 4 месяца назад
@@steved5960 Identity requires some level of performance, now come over and pry my teeth out
@PD-ws4td
@PD-ws4td 4 месяца назад
@@Emery_Pallas So you’re saying of people dressed like bats and flapped their wings and stuff, you’d actually call them bats because they are preforming their role as bat?
@aceinspadesz4882
@aceinspadesz4882 4 месяца назад
@@steved5960 pretty much. It's called selective skepticism. Apply logic and hold something to rational inquiry...unless you it's gender ideology. Christianity, Transracialism, Chiropractic Astrology. All Non sense. Gender ideology. Only transphobic bigots question and challenge thoss ideas.
@brianray2614
@brianray2614 Месяц назад
Insightful, thank you ladies for promoting your honest frank discussions! Bravo!!!
@wordscapes5690
@wordscapes5690 4 месяца назад
“Help me understand what makes you a woman.” “Please justify your existence to satisfy me.” There is no differences between these two statements.
@randomusername3873
@randomusername3873 4 месяца назад
Because being a woman and existing are the same thing lol
@wordscapes5690
@wordscapes5690 4 месяца назад
@@randomusername3873 Indeed they are
@randomusername3873
@randomusername3873 4 месяца назад
​@@wordscapes5690so are men, non binary, animals, rocks, not real?
@dominod5640
@dominod5640 4 месяца назад
@@randomusername3873 Rejecting an essential part of someone that they can't reasonably change is pretty close to rejecting their existence yeah
@Krawnbundungle
@Krawnbundungle 3 месяца назад
@@randomusername3873”help me understand what makes you a human” said the white supremacist to the non-white person
@crazycatlady2744
@crazycatlady2744 2 месяца назад
Lia Thomas is not 6'6", caller is already lying. She's 6'1", which is tall for a woman but not completely out of the ordinary for female athletes. The caller is trying to create a straw man of this big, lumbering manlady towering head and shoulders above her competition of petite waifs, and that's just not accurate to reality.
@GuoJing2017
@GuoJing2017 24 дня назад
Wow, nice job from Katy steelmanning and then responding to arguments. Very well spoken and logical
@decay79
@decay79 4 месяца назад
Long hair and makeup... Looks at all my metal mates 🤣🤣🤣
@stylis666
@stylis666 3 месяца назад
🤣 When people around you are more likely to be any gender and pretty much all of them have long hair and wear make-up. I love it! I'm a go do my make-up. I don't have long hair and I don't use eyeliner or anything, yet, or anymore. I did when I had long hair 🤣 And I will when I wear my grey skirt and (partly) see through zebra print top. I think eyeliner looks rather dramatic on me and it only fits certain looks. And somehow no one notices my eyelids are glittery pink 🤣 All I get is:" Hey, you look amazing, you've been in the sun? I love the pants/top/jacket/purse/very manly shoulder bag." 🤣 Oh, and more flirting from attractive people! I like _that!_ People are MUCH more friendly when I wear make-up :D
@bruderk4257
@bruderk4257 4 месяца назад
Funny how those people go to sports as their last refuge when all their other BS is exposed.
@lloroshastar6347
@lloroshastar6347 3 месяца назад
My blindspot is the prison thing, I need more information about that but its hard to find because there is so much misinformation about it. I absolutely support trans rights, but people keep on coming at me with this 'would you support a r*p*st in a male prison being moved to a female prison', my answer to that would be 'no, I don't think anyone should share a cell or cell block with one', but then they would say 'that's what's happening' and point to what apparently happened in Scotland.
@underfire319
@underfire319 Месяц назад
Andrew - "...I've written over 400 pages on what a lie is. And it is an act of commission, rather than an act of omission..." Dude has written a 400+ page book and believes that "a lie of omission" isn't a lie...omitting details is still a lie in every legal system that I'm aware of. He was disingenuous from the start, fishing for the "gotcha" moment that never came, and made a damn fool of himself. Props to Arden and Katy for being as patient and kind as they were here.
@kamisakura568
@kamisakura568 Месяц назад
Andrew claiming that he's unaware of his social role and status as a man is the height of absurdity. He has behaved like a man and been treated like a man all his life. That's a humungous blind spot you've got, Andrew.
@cambriaofthevastoceans6721
@cambriaofthevastoceans6721 4 месяца назад
"I’m afraid there’s a tendency among some philosophers to suppose that philosophical investigations into race, gender, disability, trans issues, and so forth are no different methodologically from investigations into the question whether tables really exist. One difference, however, is that while tables aren’t part of the philosophical conversation, trans people, disabled people, people of color, are part of the conversation. Or at least, we think we are. We’re here. In the room. And we’ve suffered from life-long abuse. When we battered tables show up and start philosophizing, only to find these same erasures and invalidations perpetuated within a philosophical context, we can become more than a little upset. To repeat, as philosophers, we simply cannot assume that the methodology must be the same across the board. To invite me to a philosophical forum in which I prove my womanhood is to do something far different from inviting me to share my views on mathematical Platonism. Do you understand the risks? It’s one thing to spout views about the composition problem with both arrogance and ignorance. It happens. It’s annoying. But it’s quite another thing to do this when we’re talking about people-people who are in the room, people trying (and succeeding) to philosophize themselves." - Talia Mae Bettcher
@cambriaofthevastoceans6721
@cambriaofthevastoceans6721 4 месяца назад
@@donsll not sure what you're responding to honestly.
@TwoForFlinchin1
@TwoForFlinchin1 4 месяца назад
This is a great quote but the definition of a table is a perfect example of the subjectivity of definitions. The fact that we have a physical object with a name doesn't mean that the name is objective. We have to choose where the definition begins and ends in transphobes tend to hide the fact that they're we have to choose where the definition begins and ends and transphobes tend to hide the motives behind why they choose a biological definition as the we interact with chromosomes and body parts, not people
@jayvansickle7607
@jayvansickle7607 2 дня назад
I love the flip off quick fire from Katie. That was funny.
@patrickboyle932
@patrickboyle932 Месяц назад
Arden's description is very good. Before people accept the reality of Trans folks they need to accept that all words are made-up and all definitions are descriptive.
@theweirdo61
@theweirdo61 4 месяца назад
I'd just like to know some bands Katy listens to?
@chriscarpenter1420
@chriscarpenter1420 4 месяца назад
Pronouns make me less angry than gerunds!!
@MasonTorrey
@MasonTorrey 4 месяца назад
I respect what you said, but...
@stylis666
@stylis666 3 месяца назад
I hate it when people say things like that. "I hear you." "I respect what you're saying." If you do then your behaviour noticeably reflects that. If you have to say it, you probably don't and you're a liar and I can't trust a word you say about your intentions, or even about your own thoughts, positions, desires, etcetera. At that point it's safer to have a discussion with a open nazi because they'll actually say what they mean and won't pretend to have the best intentions for you while working to end you and pretending or believing to not do that. I rather sleep with a landmine than talk to Andrew.
@jan_kisan
@jan_kisan 17 дней назад
24:10 Hegel would've loved that)) nothing is completely separate from other things, everything gradually turns into not itself, all boundaries are fuzzy.
@yomamma.ismydaddy216
@yomamma.ismydaddy216 2 месяца назад
Saying you accept a definition while stating that the definition is “insufficient” is not giving him a definition😂. If you’re saying it’s not a sufficient definition that obviously you’re not truly accepting it as a definition
@Rolan7196
@Rolan7196 Месяц назад
I raised an eyebrow at his opening with "you guys" and then his consistent repeating of it. The gals didn't respond at all, which makes it really revealing that at 19:16 he MISTAKES them for being offended by it. Such a ploy! He was trolling and he thought he got a response, and revealed his stupid game. but also yeah "I don't associate any social aspects to being a man or a woman" MY DUDE Is it even possible he believes that at all?? That's SO wild. Maybe I'll find out when I unpause.
@ryanthomas9306
@ryanthomas9306 Месяц назад
Those are dudes with a Philia
@robinplaysgames137
@robinplaysgames137 3 месяца назад
I really love this conversation with Andrew. I'm often trying to find a way to talk to people about these concepts simply, and I love how you're responding to it.
@JamieAlice92
@JamieAlice92 4 месяца назад
Why is it always people from the uk
@MoonRiver_118
@MoonRiver_118 4 месяца назад
we call it "TERF island" for a reason
@lloroshastar6347
@lloroshastar6347 3 месяца назад
It's not lol it's people from all over the place, I know American's like to say 'TERF island' to make themselves feel better about the rampant transphobia going on in the US but the US is in many ways currently worse than the UK, that doesn't mean the UK is good, it's not, but the US is accelerating at such a fast pace that they are now worse than some Theocracies and dictatorships in some States when it comes to trans rights.
@thewhiteguar959
@thewhiteguar959 4 месяца назад
The problem I have with the whole "sports" issue is that I don't see why anyone, let alone me, should think that sports are valuable at all and not a waste of time. I don't give a shit who wins or why, it's all dumb.
@0Fyrebrand0
@0Fyrebrand0 4 месяца назад
Exactly my opinion as well. Sports are just pointless, silly games that have no impact on real life. The points are not real. Whether you win or lose, nothing happens. But there is a huge entertainment industry surrounding sports that has brainwashed the population into believing that sports are incredibly important, that the teams represent YOU and your people, that it's patriotic to cheer for your team. Athletes are treated like war heroes. They even play the national anthem before the games for some arbitrary god damned reason. Imagine if they did that before a movie plays in a theater, or before a Taylor Swift concert. It would be absurd. But everybody treats this like it's normal and amazing, because sports have become basically a huge corporate religion. Complete with the profits, the bigotry, the scams, the tribalism, the violence, and the hatred and hostility toward anyone who doesn't believe in it or worship their gods. Another ridiculous thing about the sports issue, is this bogus concern about keeping competition "fair." There is NOTHING fair about sports. Some people are born biologically advantaged for certain activities. Some people are born with conditions that mean they can basically not even participate. Some people are taller. Some sports are literally impossible for some people to play because it can't exist in their country's climate, or the sport is too expensive that hardly anyone can afford to play it. If you even want to think about playing professionally, you better be born in the right place, know the right people, get into the right schools, get picked by a talent agent. If you wanna get paid the big bucks, you better be male and play in the men's league, because women pro athletes get paid a fraction of what men make. And then, if you become a big celebrity, they start putting you in movies and stuff even though you can't act your way out of a paper bag. You can even do crimes -- rape somebody, kill somebody, and you will ALWAYS have crowds of adoring fans who insist you are innocent and make excuses for you.
@benclark4823
@benclark4823 4 месяца назад
Wow. The “I don’t care” argument. TRUELY what a “great” comeback. I’m sure YOU yourself not caring about something MUST mean EVERYONE should not “care” about it too right? 😇
@thewhiteguar959
@thewhiteguar959 4 месяца назад
@@0Fyrebrand0 Not to mention the obvious physical repercussions of engaging in dangerous activities (look up chronic traumatic encephalopathy), hero-worship that causes children to idolize athletes, thereby churning out MORE intrepid athletes with poor physical judgment, all in a vicious cycle... THEN we can talk about the Odysseus' Ship that professional sports teams truly are.
@thewhiteguar959
@thewhiteguar959 4 месяца назад
@@benclark4823 Comeback? Who responded to whom, numbnuts? Funny how you assumed it had to do with you
@thewhiteguar959
@thewhiteguar959 4 месяца назад
@@benclark4823 And to answer your question, "should people stop caring because I personally don't care," no, they shouldn't care because there's no actual palpable reason TO care, just tribalism for the sake of tribalism over a soulless game that benefits no one. Whether I care shouldn't be a reason upon which to justify not caring - there are lots of really great reasons to not care, though!
@deathdealer312
@deathdealer312 Месяц назад
He's abosutely not listening to their explanations of gender.
@joshvandeleuv1595
@joshvandeleuv1595 Месяц назад
I agree with the points that the hosts made, but it felt like they were talking past the caller and making leaps to arguments that he wasn't making and wouldn't agree with. Personally, I found (a charitable reading of) his question to be interesting. Basically, "since your gender identity differs from the identity you were assigned at birth, what are the aspects of your gender that you identify with?" It's a question you could turn around on any cis person, but I imagine most of them would give an answer similar to 'I always took my gender for granted'. It didn't seem like he was trying to be reductionist- he even said he definitely wasn't doing the Matt Walsh thing- but the hosts were consistently responding as if he was trying to force a universal definition out of them so he could nitpick or mock it.
@impartialthrone2097
@impartialthrone2097 3 месяца назад
Ok, giving Andrew the benefit of the doubt, my best guess at what kind if answers he was looking for is like.. what cracked each of your eggs? Like what did you realize about yourselves that made you realize that you were women. That or what changes did you seek out in your transition, which frankly, is nobody's business.
@Ausbia
@Ausbia 4 месяца назад
Lia Thomas came 6th at a college level event, 6TH!! there's 8 lanes ina pool she was 3rd last and people lost their minds.
@IzzyHardigan
@IzzyHardigan 4 месяца назад
Sandbagged till the finals
@northernlight8857
@northernlight8857 4 месяца назад
Andrew is not listening properly. He needs to work on that and his empathy skills.
@benclark4823
@benclark4823 4 месяца назад
So saying what the biological says truth about people’s ACTUAL gender instead of living in a delusion not empathetic? I guess atheists can’t criticize religion for believing in delusions too because of your “hurting their feelings” and that’s not empathy right. 😇
@benclark4823
@benclark4823 4 месяца назад
@God-ik6im really. I don’t know biology? Then explain to me how a man can BIOLOGICALLY become a woman. I’m waiting. 😒
@cambriaofthevastoceans6721
@cambriaofthevastoceans6721 4 месяца назад
When he said he had his own channel i realized he was probably just fishing for clips he could take out of context
@exceptionallyaverage3075
@exceptionallyaverage3075 4 месяца назад
​@@benclark4823How about you explain what makes you an authority on gender, gender expression, or gender identity.
@kingmenelaus7083
@kingmenelaus7083 4 месяца назад
Unfortunately this is exactly what you should expect from Bri'ish men on trans topics: not wanting answers, just wanted trans people to stop existing.
@ArmchairRizzard
@ArmchairRizzard 3 месяца назад
I think I know who Andrew is but I don’t believe in Doxxing. If he is who I think he is I unfriended him over these similar takes.
@stylis666
@stylis666 3 месяца назад
Good for you. People like Andrew are dangerous and constantly harmful with every word they say. "I'm not trying to be combative." - translation: while pretending to have the best intentions I'm actively working to take away your rights and make your identity and freedom to be yourself disappear from society and erase it from the history books, I'm just hoping for more information about you that I can use as a weapon behind your back, that's why I pretend to be polite and respectful. Taking a nap with a butcher knife in your pocket is safer than being friends with people like that. The knife isn't pretending to be polite and to not disturb your nap and it doesn't have the intention to end you and lie about it. If you put the knife on a table you can safely nap. If you take a nap while Andrew is in a completely different house you'll have less rights and millions of people experience more harassment when you wake up. People like him are stabbing you and millions of other people in the back while talking to you and while you nap, while you watch a movie, while you mow the lawn. We have to relax and enjoy things, but he'll never stop being harmful, it's his baseline, it's as simple for him as breathing is.
@needtoknowbasis3499
@needtoknowbasis3499 4 месяца назад
Why are the sports segregated in the first place? It's not over mental differences.
@aaabbc379
@aaabbc379 4 месяца назад
they’re segregated because they were originally mens only and too many women tried to join in
@needtoknowbasis3499
@needtoknowbasis3499 4 месяца назад
@@aaabbc379 they were originally men only because that's an even playing field.
@aaabbc379
@aaabbc379 4 месяца назад
@@needtoknowbasis3499 they were men only and women weren’t allowed to play at all. that wasn’t fair, that was crazy sexist
@seraeirian2
@seraeirian2 4 месяца назад
​@@needtoknowbasis3499BS. Women were NOT allowed, just like they weren't allowed to do many things.
@asdf2098
@asdf2098 4 месяца назад
Because men got really fucking mad when they were outplaued by a woman. Like, "lets prevent them from voting and owning property" levels of mad.
@someonesomeone25
@someonesomeone25 4 месяца назад
Self ID as whatever you want. It's fine.
@vendetta7012
@vendetta7012 2 месяца назад
Just because you feel something doesn't mean you're right. (Replying to your ignorant reply from a month ago).
@someonesomeone25
@someonesomeone25 2 месяца назад
@@vendetta7012 Feeling is irrelevant. Alignment is key. And what a rude way to try and start a conversation. I never make ignorant comments, so I think you must have me confused with someone else.
@vendetta7012
@vendetta7012 2 месяца назад
@@someonesomeone25 how is it irrelevant when they are saying "its how i feel" as their argument? You're just pulling shit out of your ass now because you got nothing lmao.
@vendetta7012
@vendetta7012 2 месяца назад
@@someonesomeone25 your argument is irrelevant
@vendetta7012
@vendetta7012 2 месяца назад
@@someonesomeone25 since they censored my other response (reason why lgbtq will always be considered a fascist/commie group). Yes, exactly, feeling is irrelevant. But they use the "its how i feel" argument all the time. You pulled the alignment argument out of your a** because you got nothing lol.
@HeathenGranny
@HeathenGranny 4 месяца назад
What makes my PS3 a PS2? Well it plays PS3, PS2, and PS1 games and it has actual PS2 hardware inside of it just like i have actualu female characteristics and hormones in my body. Plus fyi there are way more backwards compatible PS3s than there are trans people just sayin.😊😊😊
@stylis666
@stylis666 3 месяца назад
"broad shoulders..." Yeah, swimmers with broad shoulders do seem to have an advantage. Cis women and cis men and trans women and trans men with broader shoulders seem to generally swim faster than people who don't have such broad shoulders. And men typically have a higher chance to have broad shoulders, that is correct. And cis women who have broad shoulders have the same advantage as a trans woman with broad shoulders. Cis women had a lower chance of having those broad shoulders as well, but they have them. So, is what you're saying, Andrew that the problem in swimming is that some trans women had the luck of being born with broader shoulders just like many of the cis swimmers, but the trans women had a higher chance for broader shoulders and therefor it's unfair and it's completely reasonable to ban them from competitive sports? You remember that guy with huge hands that has an advantage in swimming because of it? Then he must be banned too. His parents have big hands. He clearly had a higher chance than other men to get bigger hands and this huge advantage that no one can match. This is the same argument as being tall is an advantage in basketball and men and trans women are typically taller. That's not a guarantee or an advantage you can or should ban people for. And I don't mind classes like we have in boxing and its weight classes. We can do that by height as well for basketball. Might not be profitable for professional basketball but you can make amateur basketball a lot more fun and attractive for more people that way, making basketball on a whole more attractive, and that might be very profitable. And maybe we can do that with swimming as well. Won't change that cis and trans women at the top will just compete with each other becuase they'd be in the same class, but whatever, I"m also not interested in finding excuses to make people's lives miserable, I'm more interested in finding ways to improve things for everyone.
@jokermerveilles2495
@jokermerveilles2495 3 месяца назад
I love how Arden can't take it anymore ^^'
@michaellewis2535
@michaellewis2535 3 месяца назад
Never been a fan of Arden but absolutely love Katy! Dibs!!! Totally and absolutely dibs! lol 😂 I know don’t comment on appearances but meh it’s way more than that. It’s 2024 how are people still transphobic! Ugh boomers
@amandawhittemore5078
@amandawhittemore5078 3 месяца назад
I actually found Andrew to be relatable and genuinely wanting to know for understsnd. If ardent freaked out on me like she did with andrew, id of hung up.
@lloroshastar6347
@lloroshastar6347 3 месяца назад
I found him to be frustrating to listen to and very sus
@theswissmiss69
@theswissmiss69 Месяц назад
He‘s such an ass wdym?
@Unintelligentful
@Unintelligentful 2 месяца назад
I like Andrew
@IzzyHardigan
@IzzyHardigan 4 месяца назад
Y'all say words that aren't legally defined thus not recognized. It's why they conflate male/female/man/woman because they haven't been define legally. Something like that.
@bellywood7688
@bellywood7688 4 месяца назад
This andrew sounds familiar
@jdknight7380
@jdknight7380 5 дней назад
Arden hart is really a dude
@tuckddd9
@tuckddd9 2 месяца назад
Nahh the girl on the right just itches itches itches for conflict it’s sad
@jadeorsomething1591
@jadeorsomething1591 Месяц назад
Yeah i watch these shows often but arden is literally 1 thing taken the wrong way away from a meltdown. She must get it from matt but usually she has less justification for shouting down peoples throats than matt does.
@ryanthomas9306
@ryanthomas9306 Месяц назад
Arden is extremely contentious to the point no one can like this person in real life
@steveymoon
@steveymoon 4 месяца назад
Arden, you weren't great on this call. I generally think you're fabulous but you keep falling into the same trap, which is such a shame. Some people need a LOT of conversation and a LOT of follow up questions in order to be able to get their head around a concept. And sometimes it even takes multiple conversations. You seem to get angry if someone doesn't understand and change their view on the first answer. You kept saying to Andrew, "We've already explained it to you!!" So what if you've already explained it? Perhaps it needs a lot more conversation. This is why time and time and time again, these conversations are so radioactive and people avoid them like the plague. It's such a shame.
@fleshedexperience
@fleshedexperience 4 месяца назад
Their responses amounted to this: They’re women because all concepts break down at some level, so why not? Except by this logic you’d have to accept all self-identities, which they don’t. Katy doesn’t answer the question as to what it was that personally tipped her off to being a woman. She just describes actions she took during her transition instead. Arden says that she knows she’s a woman in much the same way that the caller knows he’s a man, but she can only identify ways that he CAN'T know he’s a man--penis, gametes, etc. (She also assumes that for him “there was no discrepancy between [his] body and the social role that [he] felt [he] fit”.) So what is it that she thinks the two of them share that gives them this knowledge of who they are? That’s what I want to know.
@dominod5640
@dominod5640 4 месяца назад
A lot of personality/identity creation are actions that you take rather than an initial piece of knowledge that you start with. Deciding why you want to be an artist, what it means to you, why it's important to you is a progressive set of steps you're continuously taking that reveal more and more things to you
@someonesomeone25
@someonesomeone25 4 месяца назад
I'm not sure why they don't accept all sincete self-IDs. I do. Align yourself with whatever social construct you want for whatever reason you want.
@mikeygROCNY
@mikeygROCNY 28 дней назад
I noticed trans women often run from that question of what made you feel or realize you’re a woman.
@ryanthomas9306
@ryanthomas9306 28 дней назад
That’s because they don’t have this feeling, they only have a desire to receive the attention
@Argeaux2
@Argeaux2 Месяц назад
Define gender identity. What exactly is it? How does one “feel female”? How does one “feel male”? Is there any way of explaining these things, without deferring to stereotypes?
@enjakuro7048
@enjakuro7048 3 месяца назад
The kitteeeeen! Poppyyyy ❤ You guys look absolutely beautiful and I think I need to learn make up from you, I'm actively jealous 😂
@AussieObiWan
@AussieObiWan 3 месяца назад
Not one question was answered. This guy was asking genuine questions and all he was told is that he is arrogant and doesn’t understand. Which he said about 5 times that he didn’t understand and he was asking questions, which is the entire point of this show. I am not trans-phobic but I am from a different era and I really do not understand a lot so why are people like myself and this guy doing anything wrong?
@nitemvres2749
@nitemvres2749 4 месяца назад
Still waiting to hear what makes them women....
@giannipiccioni8411
@giannipiccioni8411 4 месяца назад
Clean your ears
@jamieoshea1681
@jamieoshea1681 4 месяца назад
Still waiting for you to use your peewee brain.
@nitemvres2749
@nitemvres2749 4 месяца назад
@giannipiccioni8411 Or you can cite the time stamp/quote where they said it but since they didn't give a coherent answer I guess you can't.
@jamieoshea1681
@jamieoshea1681 4 месяца назад
@@nitemvres2749 or you could learn to listen to more that what fits your agenda. Oh wait you lot are incapable of that
@nitemvres2749
@nitemvres2749 4 месяца назад
@jamieoshea1681 literally, all I'm asking for is for someone to cite where they specified what is it that makes them women.
@robslowerlashes
@robslowerlashes Месяц назад
Impossible to listen to, the hosts spoke over the caller everytime he tried to talk. Awful.
@topcat8804
@topcat8804 2 месяца назад
Don't accuse someone of lying and one minute later say you have not been hostile.
@YouGuy1234
@YouGuy1234 3 месяца назад
Let's just go ahead and ask the most pressing question here, how can these two have such perfect teeth? Holy science am I jealous..
@johnfirth5298
@johnfirth5298 4 месяца назад
Would it be fair for the top heavyweight trans Boxer to figt Tyson Fury?
@TheGooGaming
@TheGooGaming 4 месяца назад
Have Tyson transition too and that'd be a money match
@johnfirth5298
@johnfirth5298 4 месяца назад
@@TheGooGaming why would tyson need to transition?
@wyldink1
@wyldink1 4 месяца назад
Heavyweight? Sure. Why wouldn't it be? We allow all other heavyweights to box him.
@TheGooGaming
@TheGooGaming 4 месяца назад
@@johnfirth5298 A bit of banter why not
@paffles6696
@paffles6696 4 месяца назад
@@MichealScotch Because sports are an unimportant and trivial matter. Furthermore sports organizations already have their own rules to ensure trans athletes participate fairly. The only people whining about this are transphobes.
@jimmydare6392
@jimmydare6392 3 месяца назад
the arrogance of these 2 people is insane
@Baddiebeebumbling
@Baddiebeebumbling 2 месяца назад
How is the one on the left being arrogant?
@jadeorsomething1591
@jadeorsomething1591 Месяц назад
@@Baddiebeebumblingkatie is alright. Arden just gets it from matt tbh
@IzzyHardigan
@IzzyHardigan 4 месяца назад
Will someone enlighten me, what are we talking about. Rights? I could be wrong but don't we all have the same rights?
@seraeirian2
@seraeirian2 4 месяца назад
No we don't. You have heard of the civil rights act of 64?
@ORLYWTF
@ORLYWTF 2 месяца назад
Oh you precious child: yes, humans have rights; but, there are those who seek to deny those rights to others.
@DavidGregory-qw4ws
@DavidGregory-qw4ws 3 месяца назад
Im having trouble deciding whos hotter of these two?
@DavidGregory-qw4ws
@DavidGregory-qw4ws 3 месяца назад
What?
@ryanthomas9306
@ryanthomas9306 Месяц назад
gAF
@tammy2755
@tammy2755 2 месяца назад
3 dudes having a conversation 😂
@ORLYWTF
@ORLYWTF 2 месяца назад
“Dudes” in the same sense that Ed from Good Burger uses it, yeah?
@ryanthomas9306
@ryanthomas9306 Месяц назад
@@ORLYWTFdudes as in men who can sword fight
@IzzyHardigan
@IzzyHardigan 4 месяца назад
When you say banned, why mislead? You must hear yourself, i bet there isn't one law that bans them from sports.
@kristofdavidkoltai4774
@kristofdavidkoltai4774 4 месяца назад
Because there isn't a law. There is rules in the sports themselves, which aren't a law, but still are a ban. If you join a facebook group, but I see that you are a ciswoman, but I only allow transwomen in the facebook group, that would still be a ban, no? It would mean it's a LAW, but it's a rule, resulting in a ban from the group. Which this example by the way in no means demonstrates whether it's right or wrong, however banning transwomen from sports, even mentioned in this debate itself is DEMONSTRATEDLY wrong.
@freya-g3v
@freya-g3v 2 месяца назад
@@IzzyHardigan In Utah, the state legislature wrote a law to prohibit about 4 high school students from participating how they wanted to in high school sports because they were trans.
@BigTallLankyDude
@BigTallLankyDude 4 месяца назад
How unsurprising that you spend a lengthy portion of the conversation undermining the meaning of the word 'woman', by undermining the very concept of words having meaning at all.
@Therian13
@Therian13 4 месяца назад
Got a timestamp or example? Or are you making shit up?
@BigTallLankyDude
@BigTallLankyDude 4 месяца назад
@@Therian13 Starting from about 12:00. Not very far in, but I take it you did not watch the video.
@DiMadHatter
@DiMadHatter 4 месяца назад
pointing the problems with the definition of woman might undermine it, or makes us realise how wrong we are to think it is strong to begin with, when it isn't. adult human female is not a strong definition, as there are countless exemples showing how feable it is. there are non-adult women, like teens whose birthday to adulthood approaches, of which it isn't necessarily 18 yo, depending on the country they live in. there are non-human women that you and others unarguably consider women: Galadriel the Elf queen, Gamora the green-skinned alien, Lucy the Australopithecus, android/robot women, etc. and there are non-female women, from people with various types of intersex conditions to ones that suffered accidents impacting their reproductive organs, chest, etc. so why not add transwomen as well? why draw the line at an artificially constructed prejudice?
@Therian13
@Therian13 4 месяца назад
@@DiMadHatter Not only did you beat me to the punch, you also decided to smack me in the side of the head with some Marvel/DC comics that made good points but also pulled up some interesting points about our ancestors and lineage. If you are ever in Japan, let me buy you a beer. :)
@DiMadHatter
@DiMadHatter 4 месяца назад
@@Therian13 eheh, i'll gladly accept and cheer with you! ;)
@MasonTorrey
@MasonTorrey 4 месяца назад
Matt Dilahunty has the hottest chick on the planet and everyone is just jealous.
@jessejones1420
@jessejones1420 4 месяца назад
Lol he don't even have that big of a D. Which is unfortunately easy to find if you search his name on google
@PD-ws4td
@PD-ws4td 4 месяца назад
He is dating a male…
@jessejones1420
@jessejones1420 4 месяца назад
A dude
@MasonTorrey
@MasonTorrey 4 месяца назад
@@PD-ws4td See, you're just jealous 😏
@xtianhunter
@xtianhunter 4 месяца назад
​@@PD-ws4tdso?
@odinson6348
@odinson6348 4 месяца назад
"What makes you a woman?" No concrete response. Interesting.
@sylverrob
@sylverrob 4 месяца назад
Listen again.
@odinson6348
@odinson6348 4 месяца назад
@@sylverrob All she said was "I just wanna make friends".
@vendetta7012
@vendetta7012 4 месяца назад
​@@sylverrobI like how you all said listen again or you can just cite exactly where but you guys aren't citing the time stamp. But hey, liberals are just rtarded
@figmentoffairies
@figmentoffairies 3 месяца назад
That says more about your listening skills than anything
@odinson6348
@odinson6348 3 месяца назад
@@figmentoffairies I listened to her spout off a diatribe of deflection to a straight forward question.
@colinellicott9737
@colinellicott9737 4 месяца назад
I do not own my pronouns, no one owns their pronouns, pronouns belong to the users of them, not the receivers. To ask someone to use certain pronouns is hubris, extortion, and borderline 1984. Free speech prevails.
@gwit4051
@gwit4051 4 месяца назад
To ask someone to use certain pronouns is a request, and to refuse to do so is impolite. Just as someone can ask you to call them by their name as a request, and you instead calling them "stinkyhead" is impolite. They don't want to be called stinkyhead, and if you don't head their request you'll likely receive social sanctions for it. Your free speech is intact, nobody is forcing you to say anything you don't want to, but being impolite to people especially in public settings is largely frowned upon in modern society.
@odinson6348
@odinson6348 4 месяца назад
Yeah I don't follow. I can just call you a she and you have to accept that because I say so?
@girlwithtehface5880
@girlwithtehface5880 4 месяца назад
People own their pronouns as much as they own their name. If you tell me that your name is Colin and I insist on calling you David, that would be rude of me. Just as you insisting on calling me by masculine pronouns when I tell you to call me by feminine pronouns us just as rude. Calling any of that "hubris, extortion, and borderline 1984," is hyperbolic to the point of ridiculous paranoia. You fancy yourself a free speech advocate when in reality you just insist on being an asshole.
@cilantroboy5584
@cilantroboy5584 4 месяца назад
Ok beautiful, you should smile more, precious
@cilantroboy5584
@cilantroboy5584 4 месяца назад
If that made you feel weird, it's comprable to how trans people or any other such person feels when you use the wrong pronouns. Not a huge deal, just weird. and a bit of an asshole move.
@TheM4rxman
@TheM4rxman 3 месяца назад
Katy talks way too much and goes on insane tangents
@rainydaygirlz
@rainydaygirlz 2 месяца назад
Katy, I'm gonna be completely honest, I absolutely hated watching you talk about trans women in sports. Your take was incredibly both sidesy flim flammy nonsense that conceded too much without actually addressing the evidence, which is to say, trans women, under the guidelines of needing to be on HRT for a set time period, do not have an unfair sports advatage, and thus, trans women in sports would not effects cis women. Please do more research about the topic. If I was an athlete, I would have been heartbroken to hear you talk like that about trans women in sports.
@herbalbeverage
@herbalbeverage Месяц назад
Her literal entire point was "This isn't true, but in some alternate universe where it is true then yes, it should be policed. (But it's not, so it shouldn't.)"
@offbeatuser
@offbeatuser 4 месяца назад
Andrew is bringing up great valid points and they just blow him off. I think they are too close to the subject matter to have an unbiased view
@JanetStarChild
@JanetStarChild 4 месяца назад
Your asinine argument is like saying people of color can't talk about racism without being biased. Like, really? They can't talk about the thing that affects them?
@exceptionallyaverage3075
@exceptionallyaverage3075 4 месяца назад
Looks like you're too biased to have the right to an opinion on this subject.
@philgray1000
@philgray1000 4 месяца назад
his "points" are rubbish. he's a transphobe
@benselander1482
@benselander1482 4 месяца назад
yeah, nobody ever legitimately agrees or disagrees with anyone else. it's all just a function of everyone's biases interacting with one another. world peace solved!
@lloroshastar6347
@lloroshastar6347 3 месяца назад
what 😂 he was frustrating to listen to, most of his responses just shrugged off or ignored what they were saying. Did we watch the same video?
@SabracadabrO
@SabracadabrO 4 месяца назад
These two understand nothing about sport.
@exceptionallyaverage3075
@exceptionallyaverage3075 4 месяца назад
You should call into their show and explain it to them.
@SabracadabrO
@SabracadabrO 4 месяца назад
@@exceptionallyaverage3075 You can’t explain true things to nonsense people.
@exceptionallyaverage3075
@exceptionallyaverage3075 4 месяца назад
@SabracadabrO Nah. But it's entertaining.
@SabracadabrO
@SabracadabrO 4 месяца назад
@@exceptionallyaverage3075 Yep,& they play on that..
@philgray1000
@philgray1000 4 месяца назад
you're a transphobe
@colinellicott9737
@colinellicott9737 4 месяца назад
I can only go on what women say about how fearful they are when men enter women's spaces. Also, having had a daughter, there is no way I would want her as a young girl entering a bathroom where men dressed any way they want are in there too. That makes me feel like protector dad mode is needed, and may result in more danger to the trans person than the child. So protect yourselves, stay out of women's spaces for the safety of all involved.
@gwit4051
@gwit4051 4 месяца назад
So they should stay out of women's spaces because your own prejudice might cause you to assault them? That sounds like you should be staying away from women's spaces, not trans people. This hinges on the fake panic that men are pretending to be trans just so they can creep on women, which is not supported by any data. It is more likely for a cis woman to harass a young girl than it is for a trans woman to, not only because there are so few trans people that the chance of the opportunity even arising is small, but also because trans people do not have any greater chance of being creeps than anyone else.
@MsMiDC
@MsMiDC 4 месяца назад
Way to shift the blame. ''I am admitting I am a danger to other people because of a prejudice'' does not make it a better point. Trans women, are not men in dresses. They are women. And I understand that you want to protect your daughter, but people are not obligated to think about your child at all times.
@denverarnold6210
@denverarnold6210 4 месяца назад
And what do you do about male presenting trans-men forced to go into women's bathrooms?
@Simpy553
@Simpy553 4 месяца назад
Hiding behind children again once more plus what would you do if someone like Buck Angel who is a trans man was forced to use the women's room what then. Plus don't forget there are little trans girls that exist too.
@Earthling247
@Earthling247 4 месяца назад
Bigotry is not ok. Do you examine everyone’s genitalia?
@johnfirth5298
@johnfirth5298 4 месяца назад
TBF Katy is just babbling
@Earthling247
@Earthling247 4 месяца назад
That is ridiculous
@JamieAlice92
@JamieAlice92 4 месяца назад
No she isn’t, and you know it.
@ViridianFlow
@ViridianFlow 4 месяца назад
The caller started in the first few seconds being aggressive and trying purposely to poking at the hosts in a way they presumably knew was "low key" but clearly wanted a response so they could pretend to be the rational person. They then went on to continue trying to get a response. It's asking for more from the minority than you expect from yourself and claiming the minority is the one with the issue as a call. And you can see the hosts saw it literally in the first few seconds. The caller was hoping for a response and then pretended to be surprised when they got one.
@kingmenelaus7083
@kingmenelaus7083 4 месяца назад
*doesn't listen* "wow that's just babbling"
@lloroshastar6347
@lloroshastar6347 3 месяца назад
I'm starting to think now that transphobes are genuinely just not intelligent enough to understand the counter arguments to their ideology, which explains why they so easily fall for pseudoscience.
@misterbxiv
@misterbxiv 4 месяца назад
You dodged his question about what makes you a woman. You just said “I don’t care about labels”, but, you care enough to change your gender and call yourself a woman. Which is FINE, but you can’t do both, you can’t say “I’m a woman” then say “I won’t define it cause I don’t like labels even though I’m adopting a label”
@Disentropic1
@Disentropic1 4 месяца назад
She said she cares about labels for 2 reasons. 12:40
@Earthling247
@Earthling247 4 месяца назад
Why would you give a squirt what other people do or are if they are hurting no one?
@amathystunicorn
@amathystunicorn 4 месяца назад
Trans people do not change their gender. They change their bodies to match their gender.
@jamieoshea1681
@jamieoshea1681 4 месяца назад
They didn’t. You just don’t like why they said
@jamieoshea1681
@jamieoshea1681 4 месяца назад
The lack of understanding on the topic you have is stereotypically.
@tuckddd9
@tuckddd9 2 месяца назад
I can’t fathom why you all still attack a man who comes to speak in good faith. I hope the path to progress will reveal itself to all of you before the pendulum almost inevitably takes its swing back
@jadeorsomething1591
@jadeorsomething1591 Месяц назад
Its 100% because of matts influence. They’re both really angry at callers who don’t know any better.
@tuckddd9
@tuckddd9 Месяц назад
@@jadeorsomething1591 yeah I commented on another video, I couldn’t help but notice the difference in approach Matt took when addressing people who call in on this show vs how he addressed Jordan Peterson, who posits many of the beliefs that receive ridicule on this show, on the big stage. I suppose I understand that most of his life his beliefs have been unsupported so the recent shift in politics is likely a bit empowering, but I don’t think that justifies his actions at all. And sure it’s a different setting on stage vs a call in show, but I don’t really subscribe to “proper etiquette” it’s really two faced imo. It seem no matter what side they take, boomers are catalysts for conflict 😂
@jadeorsomething1591
@jadeorsomething1591 Месяц назад
@@tuckddd9 i can understand they are sick of hearing the same tired arguments over and over again. But whats the point of doing a call in show? Both arden and matt (not katie) do not let the caller speak for a minute. I remember a call recently it was arden and matt on religion and they went away thinking ‘that was a good call’ matt was even crying because he says thats how he wants all calls to go. But the call in question was 30 minutes of arden and matt interrupting the caller, but just because the caller was nice about it, it made it a good call. The call was literally 1 minute of the caller and 29 minutes of matt and arden rambling. I didn’t even know what the callers point was because he weren’t allowed to talk!
@tuckddd9
@tuckddd9 Месяц назад
@@jadeorsomething1591 exactly lol, like fine if you want to just preach your ideologies just make video essays, what’s the point in doing this whole song and dance but then branding as a platform for discussion? It seems masturbatory to me which is the same thing they accuse their proponents of lol, man I wonder what it will take for an actual voice of reason to ever be platformed
@jadeorsomething1591
@jadeorsomething1591 Месяц назад
@@tuckddd9 matts good in the debates. But these call in shows are obviously done for money, I mean I dont expect him to be top form every day on the air but it just sucks a lot of people call in only to be name called and mocked for 20 minutes
@colinellicott9737
@colinellicott9737 4 месяца назад
Why is this so difficult? Katy just said there is no definition that addresses this issue. But there is: Man - adult human male, woman - adult human female. Male has the primary physiology to produce sperm, women have the primary physiology to produce ova.
@gwit4051
@gwit4051 4 месяца назад
That is not what people refer to when they speak about gender though.
@SparklyCoconut-le3fu
@SparklyCoconut-le3fu 4 месяца назад
Ok and what about women with internal testes?
@cilantroboy5584
@cilantroboy5584 4 месяца назад
But also, what in the hell does a 'primary physiology to produce ____' mean?
@Earthling247
@Earthling247 4 месяца назад
All humans begin as female. There are various stops on the birth train. Not everyone ends up labeled properly at birth. Not to mention girl or boy are not the only type of babies being born.
@TwoForFlinchin1
@TwoForFlinchin1 4 месяца назад
Except this is completely detached from the experience of identifying a person as a man, boy, woman, or girl. When you see a schoolgirl are you identifying her capacity for childbearing or do you think like a normal person?
@colinellicott9737
@colinellicott9737 4 месяца назад
Why is the complete set of issues not addressed in the Lia Thomas case? Of course it's about him taking women's places, but it's also about him in the women's changing rooms making the other competitors feel unsafe, uncomfortable, and violated seeing and being seen changing?
@Earthling247
@Earthling247 4 месяца назад
Why are you watching this content if you are not trying to get smarter or improve yourself. Plenty of right wing hate groups out there would love to have you take part.
@aceinspadesz4882
@aceinspadesz4882 4 месяца назад
​@@Earthling247 Maybe he wants to challenge narratives ?
@randomusername3873
@randomusername3873 4 месяца назад
​​@@Earthling247literally asking questions, lol How about you stop reading comments and join an actual echo chamber?
@dominod5640
@dominod5640 4 месяца назад
@@randomusername3873 It's not a real question. It's just refusal to coexist with groups of people you dislike because they make you uncomfortable, even though they haven't done anything wrong.
@patrickskilz2182
@patrickskilz2182 4 месяца назад
Andrew was a great call. Unfortunately Arden spent the time just dodging the question. It was awfully disappointing once she chimed in. I thought she was better at answering directly.
@gator7773
@gator7773 4 месяца назад
He*
@garthbarrett6067
@garthbarrett6067 4 месяца назад
Two very intelligent people describe their reality. Andrew is a prisoner of his socialization, yet he is clumsily trying to understand.
@stylis666
@stylis666 3 месяца назад
Very well put.
@random_cookies
@random_cookies 2 месяца назад
their reality? the fucking irony of commenting that on this channel. there is no fucking your or their reality, there is only the reality.
@Jodariel.
@Jodariel. Месяц назад
At least he's trying to understand. Lesser evil and all that.. 😅
@ghijbvhiigvh3940
@ghijbvhiigvh3940 Месяц назад
doesn’t matter. lia thomas was like 500th best in the men’s division, switches gender, and comes 5th. that’s not a coincidence. i’m all for trans people but trans women OBJECTIVELY do better than they did in men’s sports, and OBJECTIVELY HAVE AN ADVANTAGE AGAINST CIS WOMEN. this comment leaves out important details and is absolutely dishonest
@jan_kisan
@jan_kisan 17 дней назад
@@ghijbvhiigvh3940 you are OBJECTIVELY lying. she had ranked within top 10 in men's sports too, sometimes 2nd and also 1st. but you've found this nonsense propaganda somewhere and you wouldn't care to factcheck it before repeating.
@kingdomgnark
@kingdomgnark 4 месяца назад
is there anything more validating of Katy's gender than a man refusing to allow her to finish her point?
@impartialthrone2097
@impartialthrone2097 3 месяца назад
And then instead of responding to her, engaging with the woman who has been more permissive of his bad behavior.
@MrKurtykurt
@MrKurtykurt Месяц назад
And then cracking a beer and pouring it all over himself like he’s stone cold…men….typical
@ryanthomas9306
@ryanthomas9306 Месяц назад
Bro Arden mansplains all the time …. One way street apparently
@impartialthrone2097
@impartialthrone2097 Месяц назад
@@ryanthomas9306 pretty sure you have to be a man to mansplain, which Arden is not.
@kingdomgnark
@kingdomgnark Месяц назад
@@ryanthomas9306 can you point to a time that arden has talked down to a woman because she assumed that a woman would inherently know less about any topic than her or are you just mindlessly throwing out buzzwords without understanding their meaning?
@caitbansith
@caitbansith Месяц назад
My immediate response to "What makes you think you're a woman", right at the start of the conversation, would've been, "Have you ever asked any cis woman in your life that question?"
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