Propaganda Games - Ethical Game Design - Extra Credits 

Why are the fish fighting eachother? A british dude just crossed the river.

The f-

I watch battery any TV but I play hours straight of X Box.

What is this "Tee Vee" you speak of?

I'd rather have a person with no direction than one going the wrong way on a highway...

Person: (Sees kids with no direction in their lives). Armies, cults and evil organizations: *recroots*

It’s free real estate!!

I see you made the army that protects your country be a villain

Its free real estate

Gee I wonder why they would hate USA...

Link?

Honestly i wouldn’t be surprised how hated America is lol

yes

the bots are the enemy lol

@@MultiTrollface999 indeed

Team fortress are for professionals. its a great job mate!

I often say, "Is it really racism if it offends everyone?" TF2 is a good example

Them Slav bad boys!

@@Terza15 I’m Slavic, but not the way you think.

Frick you mate let the slightly less stupid sink in.

haystack Owen Byrns was using English.

Ладно

That line kinda hit me like a truck

same O_O

@Space Ghost save them from their dumb space ghost!

I miss this channel, they made such great videos...

Yeah....

Outlast The Dark yeah I’m surprised this didn’t blow up back then

to be fair ,this video was made in 2012 when we all were so politcally naive

***** oh look an opinion.

Aickavon the Techpriest THE MAIN CHRACTER IS A WHITE MALE SEXIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISTTTTT

Aickavon the Techpriest Aickavon the Techpriest White skeletons are capable of using advanced weaponry while the colored mobs are not!

ThatGuyWithHisHat LMAOOOOOO HOLY SHIT YOU GOT A (very poor) PINT

+Aickavon the Techpriest but thats 25 years... Do you know something about minecraft that i dont?

Looks like it's the exact same writer too. ...a writer who some commenters on the most current video seem to still miss.

SSC for academical purposes ofc

Cetacean*

"Cephelapod" research

@@sethleoric2598 LOL you research octopuses

@@howardxing5885 k

aye

There are few other games before spec ops, drakengard from 2003 which was total disaster but asked you important questions about main characters of rpg games,after all they kill dozens of people and are fine with that. in 2010 another his game nier gestalt, based on 9/11 translated into fantasy world without any conections to our, just simple 2 sides shouting that they are good guys so who is good anyway? there is really clever use of perspectives there.

Spec Ops on PS1 scared me off of that franchise. That was a hard ass game.

DigitalZ 9:10 for me.

DigitalZ says 9:10 for me

Bill Zypher breno 1801 For some reason when youtube last updated, the length of this video dropped by one second.

DigitalZ it's evil magic

DigitalZ stil 9:11 for me.

This video did age well bud, the July 3rd video has no effect on the quality of this one lmfao.

Feather Soft Firebender whats the july 3rd video everyone is talking about? Im confused

aye'

this makes the same point as that video... that games have the power to change how we think

Thalia Storer except one is filled to the brim with bias and misguided emotion with next to no research

'Wearing turbans is common among Sikhs, including women, who refer to it as a Dastar. In certain other faith communities, the headgear also serves as a religious observance, including among Shia Muslims, who regard turban-wearing as Sunnah Mu'akkadah (confirmed tradition).' So basically both do but Sikhs are more common

oh didnt know that. thanks!

apud harald noah fence but what are you talking about

The stereo type becomes positively dangerous when waaaaay too many people who don't have anything to do with Islam, radical, moderate, or otherwise, are harassed because of the stereotype

One of the many purposes of propaganda is to garnish the emotions of people. People who believe it will more be more than willing to fight with what the propaganda is aimed at with extreme prejudice. Propaganda is not truthful in many areas, and for the most part it's misleading.

Perhaps an even better option is to have multiple outfits of varying levels of dress or lack thereof and let the player customize their gear with enchantments.

Dude this is extra credits, nuance is illegal here

It took me a second to find a connection between Crabs and Whales. The only thing I could figure was that there was some Lobster hunting simulation they never highlighted. I see how the error was made, but it's hilarious to think that no one it that, and now it's on the internet forever and they'll never get a chance to redo it. (Also, Crustaceans are a sub-phylum of Arthropods. If you want to be super pedantic - they're "Malacostracans." That would be taxonomical equivalent to "Mammal.")

Neither of them are Molluscs.

You are quite right. I meant to say arthropod.

That bothered me too, haha.

+Vicente Parker This is why I don't join either side, lol.

+Vicente Parker If you read up on the lore of the game, you learn that the war is ultimately pointless. The big problem is the Thalmer, and their desire to de-construct Nirn to become immortal. They're like Alduin in that respect. Except After Alduin finishes, the world is reborn. With the Thalmer? Not so much ;p

Mystery Yoghurt Yeah, that's the other big reason why I am all for the Empire now. That, the problems of war, and the fact that it is the goddamn Roman empire with MAGIC.

+Vicente Parker TBH since I played Oblivion before Skyrim even if the Imperials and the Empire tried to behead me I have always thought that the Stormcloaks were like Rebels or trying to take down the Empire And after playing Skyrim alot I still do think the Stormcloaks are still just people rebelling against the Empire, I have seen they do have a good point that they don't like the Imperial led Empire rule their country of Nords but it is for the better of Tamriel if they were united

+Aerunn Allado And also, the Stormcloaks are a bunch of racists, with Ulfric at the head spewing hate-speech about anyone who isn't a Nord. That's why I never joined him

Lytbulb when does he curse?

Lytbulb hmm

I think he meant the Call of Juarez episode.

He swears *sometimes*

Lytbulb He did NOT curse

huhuhu.

Well, its more eloquent, but that only serves to make July 3rd's video look worse.

Hard to say for sure now, but I'll just assume this video had 1.1M views, 23k likes and 2.2k dislikes a few days ago.

HAHAHAHAHA it's great how completely self-unaware they are.

What’s the July 3rd video

*hm?*

Nathanchooper I know! I know! The word "this". I nearly didn't hear it myself.

Nathanchooper probably "google". Bing is the only search engine that is actually useful.

Darth Kaas Yep. Bing is love. Bing is life.

"Game"It's actually an interactive experience, you racist.

Darth Kaas This message has been brought to you by Microsoft.

Or worse: you don't lose points for killing them. BUT they cry, and yell for help and all that jazz. Way darker and kinda more realistic.

They’re aren’t any civilians, just unarmed potential enemy combatants

@@stormshadow2944 you are right..... *Reloads LMG at airport*

You do know MW2019 is a thing, right?

@@stormshadow2944 But still shooting unarmed combatants is a warcrime, and the game should reward you simply arresting them.

UnknownSpartan007 this has probably happened somewhere. And while I'm not certain if call it a trope it would be funny

I don't know maybe guys are just more open to stimulates, a borner isn't something you can turn on and off you know

UnknownSpartan007 This MMO'S already exists. Many of this games features men showing their abs and muscles. Difference is: Men don't give a fuck about it.

Brunno Henrique Kamei Carneiro Yeah I main rock in Soul Calibur and he is almost naked. I have no issue with him.

Actually sexualization isn't just about how much skin is shown. I mean, look at berserkers or Kratos. The image of a half naked tuff guy wrecking shit around doesn't aim to look sexy, but rather showing off the ripped badass he is, "do u even lift bru". Now, if you do stuff like putting that guy on a tight tiny slip, make the skin look like it's always all oiled up, reduce muscular volume to a point where it's not that frightening but rather easily appealing, making the camera take certain angles, or making the crotch bulge and bounce at nothing, that could be an equivalent of the old cute girl with a bikini armor and jello tits. Yes it would look funny, but because of how ridiculous it looks, since we are not used to see male characters sexualized.

I don't think it actively encourages it, no, but I think it has made it seem commonplace, even if that's not a good thing.

Structured Religion and Mass Media

It starts in reality and is reinforced and applauded with games, among other media.

The Muslim sentiment is because their rather-common-in-comparison-to-other-people-groups (did I really have to write this? Wouldn't typing rather common be enough?) use of terrorism. Terrorism of course comes from the word terror, which means fear. And as a wise man once said: "Fear leads to anger, [and] anger leads to hate."

+Sameinaður Norðurlöndin The drowning simulator fucked me up. I have great headphones and an intense fear/fascination of the ocean. I realized I'd been holding my breath for a while when I was finished with it.

That's exactly what propaganda is in a traditional sense... you encounter way more propaganda than you like to think. The "please wash your hands" sign is propaganda. Election campaign ads are propaganda. "I'm a Mac and I'm a PC" is propaganda. But now you have been taken in by an even greater propaganda... the message that the word "propaganda" is only fitting for the evil villain. That "those other guys" in facist states or with ominous agendas use propaganda and your honest and open government would never do such a bad thing... also, buy war bonds and support our troops and loose lips sink ships and the Red Menace is in your neighborhood. It's gotten to the point that we don't even recognize that something is intending to influence our mode of thought unless it's titled "Crazy communist propaganda"... because there's no such thing as capitalist propaganda right? Remember to text your vote for your favourite American Idol contestant... some charges may apply.

+Seeker Goldstone this comment was propaganda lmao

jimin's tiny hands exactly

Sameinaður Norðurlöndin i

Cool, good to know. My point was that he was criticizing ignorance while being semi-ignorant (or at least generalizing) himself. It's hard to level criticism at 'shoot all the brown people' games when he still makes the same mistakes or generalizations they do, albeit much less offensively.

CallMeCactusSok I think they did that on purpose. Sort of to illustrate the ignorance and generalizations that people make of other people (like how all Native Americans are the same). EC has done that a few times to see whether the viewers were paying attention.

+CallMeCactusSok Weird thing is out of all the shooter games I've played, only two of them involve shooting middle easterners. Call of Duty 4 and Battlefield 3. Both of which don't even have you shooting them all the time and neither have a middle eastern person as the main villain.

Dotatchin K That is call of duty 4. That is one of the only games I have where there are middle eastern enemies and even in that game the main villain isn't even middle eastern.

+CallMeCactusSok As a turban-wearing and bearded Sikh (as well as a devout gamer) yes, turbans are a religiously-mandated in Sikh theology along with the growing of the hair. Some Sikhs don't wear turbans and therefore cut their hair and beards (mostly Sikhs living outside of India, especially the United States and Canada), but I personally don't see them any less a Sikh. But the point I'm sure EC is making is that the media, like cinema and video games, have reinforced the stigma of the turban-wearing and bearded brown guy as a radical Arab-Islamist even though a lot of Muslims and Arabs don't wear turbans at all and if they do, it's more out of geographical culture than religious mandates.

Which is true,since this game is shit.

King *Zog* Yea he exists

+RazerBlaze *cough* Any game PETA has ever made *cough*

+Hina Face *cough* anything PETA has ever made *cough* *cough* & also halo 5's marketing *cough*

+RazerBlaze Most recent Bioware games and Gone Home.

Well PETA's game was intended as counter-propaganda against Pokémon's propaganda, which is "It's okay to own animals and let them fight each other". You can't just call the opinion you dislike propaganda.

共産ロリ considering the villains in pokemon are often the animal abusers and playing with your pokemon is encouraged i really dont see how you think it’s pro animal mistreatment.

I’ve heard that game get a lot of knocks for its failure to give the player character agency. During moments like the infamous White Phosphorus scene, there clearly should be (out-of-universe) a way for your main character to avoid whatever’s going to happen, but the game spawns endless troops or otherwise refuses to advance events until you do what the game wants, and then your character gets yelled at for doing something that they were not given a choice to avoid and were railroaded into doing despite there being no reason whatsoever why they couldn’t except that the game refused to advance the story in that direction. I recall reading somewhere that when the creator was asked how to avoid these tragedies, his answer? Walk away. Stop playing the game. ARE YOU FNAGGING ME?!! The whole point of a game is to be played the whole point of interactivity is to give you the power to affect how things go! I want for *my character* to be able to walk away, to be able to use his agency and conscience to change the story. Railroading us in this out-of-universe manner without the slightest bit of in-story justification completely misses the point of giving us an interactive story!

​@@KnakuanaRka Idk, i disagree that walking away was the wrong way for us to answer but i can see your argument.

Bro... Are you good mentally?

+MisterTutor2010 Game of the year 2016: OOG - Orcs Occupied Government!

Orc lives matter.

Y'know, if you think about it LotR is actually kinda racist. "Men of the West, ride against the East" and all that.

+Rangaman I think the books may have been designed to be racist, because if you read Akkalabëth, the men of the west are "settling" the "unsettled" lands in the east and destroying native populations.

Hello World Views of that time, I guess.

+unifieddynasty I was a broke highschooler. I played it and enjoyed it. I joined the Army. I got blowed up. Don't regret a fuckin thing. I didn't join because of the game, I joined because being a young adult in America is fucking soul draining. Was it propaganda? Yeah. Did it influence my decision? Nah. If the soldiers depicted were soulless, racist, humpnuggets, maybe. But they weren't. I'm agreeing with you btw.

+Daniel Smith Most people I know join b/c, well, they can't get a job anywhere else. Don't mean to minimize the fact that other people join for other reasons.

+Bronwyn Beistle i joined because i wanted to help take iraqs oil, now were riding under 2$ a gallon

^This guy gets it

Barry Slurpentine Arma 2 and Day Z. Great stuff.

Simple, not his channel anymore

An absolutely amazing level of improvement

Yep, the Floyd's gone years ago

Yeah they would be pretty happy with themselves.

+Hacked By ExESec Octavian and $w00re None of the things you just pointed out are "necessary in order to achieve success". Industrialized agriculture? Seriously? It's not even industrial! You plant a seed, wait, and harvest the crops for personal use only. Besides, Minecraft is an open sandbox. You can do whatever you want inside the limitations! Kill animals if you want to, you don't have to do it... Edit: There are no win/success conditions in Minecraft. DEAL WITH IT.

I know.

Unless you're the stereotypical American, it really isn't *that* necessary.

Let me introduce you the second highest rated game on Steam: Factorio. Destroy the enviroment by cutting trees, mining ores, smelting, pumping oil and crafting to win the game. Kill the native aliens those don't like your pollution and destroy thier homes. 10/10 would play again. :D

Industrial style agriculture is the only way we could have the luxuries we have today.

They're making the same general point in this video as the July 3rd video lol, so I don't see what 7 years has actually done.

Their point was that the games incentivised you to “kill anyone with a turban on their head”, I think that’s the point of why they put Sikhs in there, to show how ridiculous this would be in practice.

CaitSeith Well Whales were valuable because they were a resource bonanza. The fat and oil, the meat, and the bones were all useful WHale bone once had a value not unlike Ivory. and yes the environmentalists do over blow the whole issue. as they often tend to do. I have never eaten whale meat but I would not be adverse to trying it. Honestly why should I conceptualize a whale any differently than a pig, a deer, a horse or a cow, or a head of cabbage. These are all living things that I have killed in order to consume

CaitSeith All the more reason to hunt them... you see.. by being edible and useful in a number of ways is the very reason that chickens, goats, pigs, cows, and turkeys are not going to go extinctany time soon? Once we developed a dependency on them we naturally figured out ways to breed and cultivate them. The best way to save a species is find as many uses for it as possible. As is.'because their beautiful and majestic' doesn't quite work.

BigTuk Yeah... Whale farms don't work for several reasons. It's like how female pandas are only fertile for three times a year. If she has two children, she goes "Nope, I only want one" and leaves the other to die. I believe the whale also has some reproduction issues. Not the same as the panda, but they have issues.

Peanut Buttercus And much like pandas then... if whales cannot adapt to the world they live in.. well... they will be replaced eventually by something more suitable. Yeah I know it sounds cold but yeah, harsh reality. Been happening every since life started on this planet

BigTuk Yeah, I know. But we're trying to stop them from dying out because they're dying from human interference. If they were to die out slowly, giving the ecosystem time to adjust, it'll be fine, but we're killing them too abruptly. Oh, they're majestic too. At least that's the reason most people give.

You must be super edgy and intelligent.

Wat?

PonzooonTheGreat Most people don't want to think when they shoot so when you said Spec Ops The Line as a good game Richard Dangles has a need to put you down. This Dangles kid is really about the new Medal of Honor games (not allied assault or the good ones) that take places in the middle east and Spec Ops makes fun of those games so you can see why he is upset.

joshsny143 So you are saying Medal of Honor was good when you still shot germans? Just kidding he just gave a funny comment and nothing else, I do not think he wants to put him down.

joshsny143 It is just the Bullshit about being anti muslim if you kill a Terrorist in MW2, you just want to have fun and if it borrows from modern military conflict then blame america for not invading europe and killing germans again.

well green is good... so I don't see where you are going with this.

the color green isn't a racial group that will get offended. Green is usually associated with vegetation and life.

so is mine but fuck you!

That's actually true. there are, however, games like Minecraft and Anno (2070) which make both sides look "grey" -neither good nor bad-.

Indeed...

You can depoliticize games, you can depoliticize any media, but it's extremely difficult and bound up with what you do and don't accept as true a-priori.

That's really the point of the video. Prejudice and stereotypes work this way in general. But we don't necessarily expect them in video games, so it leaves us with our defenses down. And if the video game, has us function within a particular world-view, the average person may not realize that their being subtly indoctrinated into a viewpoint.

Subtly indoctrinated is an oxymoron

Or maybe you are just an idiot.

@@shadowmaydawn Oh no, you crushed Blank Blank with your galaxy brain intellect and eloquence. How could someone ever recover from that kind of rebuttal. 😒

@@d1oftwins Blank Brain didn't provide any real rebuttal either.

@@shadowmaydawn Blank was giving the opinion that EC lost its ways of making a neutral argument. You on the other hand are the only one that didn't contribute anything. All you said is "I don't like your opinion" in an blatantly insulting way. Well, cool story bro, I guess?

This is essentially the same argument tho. Guess you didn't watch past 5:42.

This is bait, but I'll bite. If that's true, why aren't baseball bats the main weapon of every modern army?

Image if they saw the games of today

They mean the end part about "lazy design" and "accidental indoctrination". That's basically the same thing they said in the other video. So I don't see why people keep saying that the nazi video is "backsliding".

Should you make a game about the Iraq war at all?

yes if you're able to play both sides. Like Axis & Allies

yes, multiethnicity is a feature of modern warfare: but not one you'll ever find in the CoD clone games, which honestly owe more to WWII movies than they do to current events. More and more, wars are being fought between multi-ethnic coalitions: because few nations are inhabited by a single ethnic group, and very often nations need to band together to defeat their enemies anyhow. For example: has there ever been a game which features the perspective of a Muslim soldier fighting against the terrorists? no. You want to make a modern warfare game that isn't a CoD clone? then take the above suggestion. People will be interested simply because this is not a story they've ever heard before. And your game will have better staying power. A generation is growing up for whom the Middle East is not an exotic land inhabited by an incoherent jumble of people. They grew up seeing it every day on their televisions. If it's portrayed inaccurately in a game they are going to notice.

Sophie Jones but there was a muslim who was fighting terrorists in a cod game specifically blops 2 were he is an undercover operative who you even play as in one of the missions and need to live so he can sacrifice himself to save the female hacker. he doesn't get the most screen time but he is one of the best people in the story

bucket well, last time I checked, that war wasn't fought between araki's. It was fought between the west and the Iraq use. Is that not correct?