This was one of the most beautiful conversations around faith and God that I have ever heard and it gave me so much to think about and even more reason to praise and worship God. Thank you!
Pastor I have the deepest respect for you. Something very special happened to me in March 2014 when I came back to the Church (LDS),something that convinced me that God Loves me and saved me I will never forget the depth of my despair and I can never deny the depth of Love that I’ve felt from God and Jesus Christ it is here where Jesus picked me up as a broken Man and made me whole. Religion is more than a phrase or a word to me it is my relationship with Jesus Christ. God Bless You Pastor
Please remember, Latter-day Saints, Jeff is here to convert you, and he is just polite enough to hope you’ll listen. You have your ministry, this is his.
As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ, I am so grateful that two people with different religious background can have a very respectful conversation. They are both a wonderful examples of what Christianity is all about.
He is not doing with the LDS Church. He is actively fighting LDS church by condescending and trying to convert LDS to 'real Christianity" but he has no respect for our logical, biblical, rational theology and practices. Protestantism rebelled against Catholicism hence with 1500 years of Christianity.
Jeff - Remember that Latter-Day Saints are not checking boxes. We are trying to change our natures through the atonement of Jesus Christ. To overcome the natural man through faith in Jesus Christ and obedience to the commandments. I go to the temple to make covenants with God to help me commit myself to following in His ways. Going to the temple itself means very little if I’m not changing my heart. Becoming more meek, patient, full of love, willing to submit to all things. I’m learning in my own life that to overcome my natural tendencies takes effort, increased wisdom, faith, humility and patience.
The difference between historical Christianity is we are controlled by the Holy Spirit and he does the changing in our lives in all those personal areas. I am not working: but God is changing me to become more Holy: its called sanctification and as an Evangelical we don't believe we have a license to sin after we are saved by Grace through Faith!
@@davidjanbaz7728 "The difference between historical Christianity is we are controlled by the Holy Spirit and he does the changing." That is not the view of "historical Christianity" (as if there were such a thing) or evangelicals as a whole, but rather the view of the Augustinian and Calvinist traditions. It is not a part of the Holiness traditions, Methodist, Assemblies of God etc. as well as the less Augustinian Catholic traditions (the minority today) which posit free-will, though allow that God "redirects the minds and hearts of believers" through "crisis" which makes the free choice of following the will of God possible. This is different from being "controlled by the Holy Spirit." Your second paragraph does sound more broadly evangelical to me. That said, my experience with many young evangelicals (I teach comparative religion) would be that in practice, many do shrug off sin with a "Well, once saved always saved" kind of flippancy.
@@ardeneberly4450Controled as we yield to the Holy Spirit : He doesn't override our free will but motivates us to live Sanctified lives in the Lord. I have been a Christian 4 63 years: and not once has any ( I have attended many different denominational churches) Pastor ever said we are Saved and you can sin all you want! For a comparative religious teacher your biases R obvious : what is your Religious affiliation and how long ? You answered my question in your other post: not surprising at all. God's Goodness is balanced by His Holiness: so Ominbenevolance isn't necessarily an accurate term to use about God's Goodness. It's actually trying to strawman man God's Holiness and righteous judgment of sin : atheists and Mormons seem to agree here which is why Ex Mormons turn atheists so easily after leaving your religion. Where did you become a comparative religions teacher: any schooling outside of Mormonism?
Thank you for acknowledging the LDS host. I'm glad he reached out to Pastor Jeff to open the door to this beautiful conversation. Kudos to Pastor Jeff for being Christlike, unlike many protestant, and evangelicals that attract parishioners by bashing mainly LDS. Many base their Wednesday discussions around vilifying Joseph Smith convincing others that he was a charlatan. You will never see that in an LDS congregation.
My favorite conversations are ones where both parties are not only intelligent, but are also intellectually matched and share respect for eachother. I thank both of you for doing the work of knowing your stuff and creating an atmosphere for this type of produtive and much needed discussion. I feel edified, uplifted, and encouraged to continue my own interfaith journey. Thank you!
Pastor through his grace I’m alive and born again and because I’m alive and born again I am DRIVEN to perform, never performance driven but very driven to do what’s right , I found Salvation in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. True Christianity is Love in Action❤️💪
@@EliasB100Would you say that it is His love that works through us? What drives us to volunteer, to feed the hungry, the clothe the needy, to visit the sick and elderly, to mourn with those who mourn? For me, being filled with God's love becomes who we are. True faith in Christ is manifest in how we live our lives. We show our love for God through the natural actions which flow from a changed heart - new creatures in Christ will follow His example and those characteristics manifest.
@@EliasB100 True Christianity is believing that Jesus, part of the Holy Trinity, true God became human on earth to die for our sins and grant salvation a free gift to all people.
I would be thrilled if my family members who have left the LDS church found themselves in protestant and/or evangelical territory rather than wading around in agnostic waters. Having said that, Jeff shows us how to really listen and understand our loved ones who believe differently. It sure beats throwing out trite suggestions without really finding out how people got where they are in their beliefs.
I have a book I wrote about my conversion called Catholic 25/ Mormon 26. I can send it to you for free if you like. It's just a story of my spiritual seeking.
This is a good conversation, and I have appreciated your preview clips. I have had friendly contact with LDS people since I was a child, and have always been hospitable and attentive to missionaries. While I have my own faith in Christ, I like to point out areas of agreement and be more sensitive and diplomatic concerning areas of strong disagreement. On some points I agree with LDS more than certain Protestant polemicists, especially in the area of faith versus works, and in the matter of levels of glory in the next life. If ever I get anxious about my LDS friends' eternal salvation, I just listen to the final testimony of Bruce R McConkie and think, I hope that as they approach death they, like him, will have such a love and gratitude for the Savior who gave himself for us. I am always moved when I listen to that testimony.
There is no need to be anxious about our eternal souls. God is in charge, and he'll work it out in the end. In the meantime, we can definitely all be friends. There's more common ground than differences. 😊
I have followed Jeff getting on other LDS podcast and I feel this has been far the best one. I feel that Jacob asked great questions to Jeff made Jeff put more on the spot but not in a pointing finger type of way. Jacob gives such an amazing explanation of the Godhead from an LDS perspective . Explaining the similarities and differences of the trinity was eye opening to me. I will now follow Jacob podcast from now on.
"Do we believe different things about the same Jesus?" That was the best summation that I have ever heard on the topic. I am ashamed that I did not think of that myself.
@@nonrepublicratStop lying. Only one Savior, Jesus of Nazareth which the Bible calls the Only Begotten Son. Who has a Father in heaven whom he does the will of his Father/Daddy Abba. Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. All pure biblical which is why pagan trinity three headed one body monster is so unbiblical.
Its refreshing to see such a christlike open dialogue.. The absence of pride and arrogance is so encouraging and gives me a desire to become more Christian in my treatment of others, not only in apologetics but also in my daily relationships and interactions. Thanks guys
I truly loved this conversation and wish this was the mainstream religious way of communication. So thank you both for a productive and enlightening discussion. As an LDS member I have a hard time with the enigmatic way in which Pastor Jeff views God. Understanding God's true character and nature is an extremely important doctrine because without it a person cannot have true salvation-bringing Faith. I feel like this was why Christ states in John 17:3, "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou sent".
This conversation is what I hoped it would be! I've been watching both your channels for a few months now, and you both jive on a similar intellectual wavelength. I knew it would be so beautiful and productive once this conversation came to be, and I wasn't disappointed. Thank you for this excellent content! I hope this is only the first of many conversations you two will have.
Catholic girl here. Theologically speaking, don’t agree with either of you. That being said, in my opinion you two are doing the interfaith dialogue thing beautifully! ❤
Jacob, yours is the best interview so far than all the other active LDS podcasters have done with Jeff. You really asked some important questions that I wanted to know about him and im glad you didn't let him off the hook like the other lds podcasters have done.
I feel so happy and content from this video conversation. I felt open to listen and understand both sides because the spirit of contention was not there. I have been spiritually edified. Thank you both!
The discussion on God in eternal law and progression of God, my thoughts are that it seems as if God is not static in the fact that He is continuing his work and glory by helping us become and gain His glory and presence. Not that He is changing, but that He is helping us change.
LDS here. I can relate to this pastor in that it’s a simple way of hope. I think if you get too deep it does away with the feelings of the heart. People do tend to get to technical. It comes down to the heart.
Thanks again for talking about the hard topic! It really helps, and its a testimony builder, because most other religions try to ignore or hide the hard topics. So that's again for helping to explain and help people like me who needs a little help understanding curtain things.
Thank you for the conversation Jacob and Jeff. I really enjoyed your talks about theology and exploring it. The analogies and the illustrations really helped develop my understanding of your points. Thank you for being curious about inter-faith conversations. It is shining a hope-giving light on all of us.
My Dad died in 2017 at the age of 96. He would have just loved this channel. He and I would talk for 2-3 hrs about our beliefs and he was just a philosopher at heart. We always agreed to disagree. I've heard from him from the other side as he accepted his temple ordinances. I hear from him often. We had a hard time while I was growing up. I came from a very dysfunctional sick family but now besides my Savior, my Dad is my best friend!!! So many of my family have accepted their work. I didn't have a loving family while they were on earth but now the promise that Heavenly Father made to me when I first joined the church is coming true. He promised to me after I had been in the church a few yrs, "I promise that in the eternities I will heal your family!!!". My stepmom has not graduated to the other side. I pray we have a good relationship then which is not now that way.
@@davidjanbaz7728 Seriously? Don't be like this. Don't try to take this away from someone and tear them down. If they know, then they know. You don't need to call that into question.
I believe its important to recognize things we may believe we have learned through the holy spirit personally, and things we learn by not having to decipher hidden meaning from the one Bible and instead the importance of prophets who have taught the core doctrine to us.
I appreciated Pastor McCullough's sensitivity and honesty around 21:55 - 27:32. I just find this... very clear and helpful. Thank you! And then your testimony at 52:00 - 53:45. I almost wish Jacob had just taken a moment, and appreciated, and wrapped up the episode there. That was beautiful.
I've always seen God as having reached the pinnacle of His own progression, but that His glory increases through the salvation of His children because of our progression.
REALLY appreciate the conversation. It's so important for both "sides" to better understand where the other is coming from. This is also made me further appreciate our theology.
Wow, this was amazing!!! 😍 I love how educated and intelligent you both are but even more importantly how respectful you were of each other's beliefs. Please do more collabs in the future!
Awesome discussion! I would like to hear you and Jeff dig deeper into John 17 about the oneness discussed there. I would also like to hear someone dig deeper into Jeff’s view of the final state of those who die without faith in Jesus and I would be interested in hearing Jeff talk about faith and works and what roll works have in our faith and redemption.
People like yourself, Jacob, I think are truly a blessing in our conversation with fellows like Paster McCullough here, as well as to our conversations with the theologians of the other Christian denominations: you bring such a deep philosophical understanding to the table. I think philosophy is so crucial to the way the professors of religion are taught and have developed their understanding of the scriptures, and your understanding of it is so vital to that conversation. Many of us don't have that level of education in the scriptures and the gospel: I personally struggled in a conversation with a catholic fellow who had such a deep understanding of the scriptures in that area, that I felt like I was fumbling my entire understanding of the scriptures and the revelations and teachings of the church. Maybe I'll be able to synthesize some of your smarts the more I listen.
As son of God each of us come to this earth to progress and become better in attitude, behavior and way being, as son of God, we do not limited to grow up to the new insight and perspective on this world, God is alive and He reveals his teaching and will every day on the earth, God knows we are facing new challenges on the world, thus He gives us new tool to overcome the new challenge. we can see that by science and by revelation, we can the knowledge of God in all part of our lives, the world is full of new instrument for the human utility, and in the church we can see a prophet teaching new revelations to guide the son of God on these last days. Thanks for sharing this video, God bless you both brothers.
Great discussion and I know limited in time, so much more could have been discussed, hoping for more just like this. I’d say, to fully understand identity God and our relationship to Him. There needs to be a discussion on the understanding on both sides about what LDS calls the preexistence, the eternal law of free agency and why there was a war over it, what really happened in the gradin of Eden, did they really screw it up for us all it was it part of the plan from the start. All these things ultimately dictate our understanding of God and our place in His plan.
I really love how Jeff can so clearly relate complicated esoteric and theological ideas. I've thought of a lot of this my entire life but would not be able to communicate the same concepts so clearly. Great video!!! I live the opportunity to compare ideas on such a solid level. I had many people on my mission who ordered the "Lamb of God" just so they could argue with a couple of 20 year old young men.
Thank you Jeff and Jacob for a great discussion. You opened my Understanding of the Trinity where I can really respect your belief so much more. Truthfully I do see common ground of the Trinity and the Godhead and thy both are amazing! You both are amazing.
Wish there would have been more conversation around Jeff’s understanding of Gods purpose in creating the garden of Eden… i think it’s very interesting he thinks we were all meant to stay there in gods presence forever… especially in light of our SHARED understanding of the foreordination of Christ and his saving mission…
God has clearly given us free will to choose to obey him or not, to follow him or not. This doesn't mean it was His intention from the beginning for man to sin and be separated from Him. He could have made us like robots without free will, but his desire was for an intimate loving relationship with us. Love demands a choice. There is a difference between foreseeing something will happen, and intending for something to happen. He could have stepped in and prevented a situation that Christ would be necessary but then we would not have had the free will to choose to be intimately related to God. We would just be robots.
@@stricklandapril God knows all possible choices we could make but he doesn't for ordain them as a chess master moves pieces in a game! Molinism explains this very well.
One very devout evangelical who died for 90 minutes talked about his time in heaven. He saw the Father on the throne a ways away but that Jesus came up to him and hugged him with a body, arms, hands, legs, feet... and that the love that radiated kept changing and growing from perfection to perfection right in his presence. So, NDEs even with evangelicals are describing LDS views on the godhead, progression, material body.
What does Jeff’s church believe about prayer.example James 1:5. If any lack wisdom, let him ask of God. I feel confident to live my life according to my answers through prayer.
Great convo. My take on the nature of God, when the Bible says he is the same yesterday today and forever, since his nature is the standard of holiness, he doesn’t change that nature/status. He has always know everything
Making a distinction of persons but NOT Essence of the Oneness of the Only True God: you will notice it doesn't say the Father is the only true God! This verse doesn't contradict the trinity!
@@l.tavakepaongo4205 I don't have to : herecy and erroneous interpretations are a dime a dozen from counterfeit churches ! Filtering the Bible through counterfeit Mormon doctrines isn't good Exigesis of the the truth in the Bible! Thus just more herecy teachings by your fake prophets/ leaders.
Even though nobody asked, I feel like spiritually I'm in a rough place. My earliest christian memories are lds, my family stopped going to church when I was ten years old. From the time that I was baptized to now(18years later) I have been exposed to pagan, Islamic and Jewish teachings. I have not read all of the scriptures, it is something I'm working on. I can't shake my belief in Christ even though I live an ungodly life and cannot discern which voices are of God and his angels and which are of the Devil and his. I'm sort of lost in the fog and don't wish to be left behind when the day of judgement comes. Edit: I'm currently battling with my addictions and living with my mother who is militantly protestant but because of my early experiences as an LDS member I'm torn between the two stances which is why I absolutely love this channel
I love you brother. The beauty of LDS theology, and I hold this to be true of our loving God, is that you will not be left behind in judgement lest your heart desires to reject the Holy Spirit. You will have opportunities, yes, and you will be able to eternally progress. Keep your faith close to your heart & you will have the opportunities, regardless if in this life or after, seek Christ, to repent, and escape from sin. I wish you the best :D
You must choose Christ. "If you are not willing to leave father, mother, son, daughter to follow me, you are not worthy to be my disciple." I used to be Protestant until I decided to pursue more Christ.
Polytheism is correct. When God says that there is only one God, he was referring to those worshipping idols. God is our God and our only God. Same as your Earthly father is your only Father, but there are other fathers. Well Earth has one God, but there are other Gods in Eternity.
I agree with you, Jeff, that Jesus was 100% man and 100% God. Without being God he could not have suffered the intense pain of Gethsemane and on the cross but being man allowed him to get a body and he was able to satisfy the demands of Justice for our sins. Christ's attonement satisfied the demands of Justice in proxy for all those who repent. Such love! Understanding the Godhead is much like understanding a Bishopric with each ward. Three individual person with a common goal of working for each individual in the the Ward. You see this type of organization throughout the church - Stake Presidency, First Presidency of the Church.
These are great conversations to be had! I think Pastor Jeff could benefit from a conversation with someone who converted to LDS but came from an evangelical/born-again background. I think that would be interesting too
One question I have for Pastor Jeff that was discussed in the other direction. The question is what if the LDS is correct about the need for the use of ordinances? I Jeff's approach and respect.
@@davidjanbaz7728 Jesus was asked which where greater in the law and he replied with first love God and second Love your neighbor. That was a answer to the question of which is greater not saying the are the only commandments we must follow. Saying that those are the only commandments Jesus Christ gave is saying that the instructions in the sermon on the mount or other things where he said to be born of water and of spirit matter not because he say that the two great commandments are to love God and Neighbor. How do you love God and your neighbor? As Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments so you need to keep all his commitments and repent when you fall short. How do you else by feeding his sheep that does not mean to support bad behavior but to nourish them with the word of God and give for there support of their needs. That is how I see his response. It is only in and through the grace of Jesus Christ that all men may be saved, as he said keepmy commandments.
Ultimately these theological disagreements come down to one thing: the source of our understanding of the Gospel. Protestants and all other Christian sects rely on their human interpretation of the word of God ancient prophets (aka the Bible), which varies quite widely. The records of which have been transcribed and translated hundreds of times. Latter-day Saints rely on modern day revelation from God to living prophets along with His clarification His ancient word to ancient prophets. Essentially we go straight to the source rather than relying on ancient texts to ancient people. That to me is much more reliable.
Great inter-faith gospel conversation by the way! The topic between the Trinity and the Godhead: Trinity: 1 + 1 + 1 = 1 God with 3 presences/personalities, without body parts or passions, who are everywhere yet no where, a vapor of smoke. Godhead: 1 + 1 + 1 = 3 Gods who are unified as One Godhead (Council/Presidency) all of whom have the same divine purpose, work, and glory. Moses 1:39 “For behold this is my work and my glory-to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.” In John 17, when the Son is giving his great intercessory prayer to the Father-he prays that the apostles would have the same “oneness” (unity) that the Son and Father share with each other. Then the Son prays that those who believe in the words of the apostles (that would be us) would also have the same “oneness” (unity) with the apostles, the Son, and the Father. We are commanded to be ONE. “For those who are not ONE are not mine.” Our hearts, mights, and minds should be knit together as ONE, in the same fashion, just like the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are knit together as ONE. Jesus’ work and glory was to help show us the way and bring us back into AT-ONE-MENT with the Father. Jesus condescended taking on the human condition, he was “a man of sorrows, acquainted with grief,” and he experienced what we go through-so that he would be able to succor us in our affliction. There is total passion there with the Father in giving up His Son (as Abraham could attest) and the Son who was willing to give himself (as Isaac could attest). There was passion in the life and in the giving of Jesus’ life. Also as a resurrected being (when he took up his body again)…..there is definitely body parts in mortality and this continued into immortality as well. We know this through the reality of the Resurrection. He lives and so will we! This is the free gift to all! 1st Great Commandment: To love the Lord with all our heart, might, mind, and strength. The Lord said, 'I say unto you, be one; and if ye are not one, ye are not mine' (Doctrine and Covenants 38:27). 2nd Great Commandment: To love our neighbor as ourself (be one). The doctrine of the godhead is that it is a presidency (of individuals) all of whom hold the highest priesthood office (quorum of divinity). Other terms include “The Council of the Gods” or “The Council of Elohim.” Notice that Elohim is both a singular and a plural (for gods) depending on the specific context spoken of. Elohim can specify God the Father (singular) or collectively refer to the the Godhead (Council/plural individuals) all of whom are unified together with the same purpose, work, and glory (same heart). The Son is the representative of the Father. Jesus is the Word of the Father. In other words….the Son comes in the stead of the Father to give us the Father’s words. In the same way that the Vice President is authorized to speak in the name of the President, he comes at the behest of the President, and he relays what the President’s words are to a congregation. We know that to hear the words of the Son is to hear the words of the Father-for the Son says and does only what the Father does-because they are in total agreement with each other. There is only ONE GODHEAD. We do not have any other “godheads.” The Greek and Roman pantheon of gods (polytheism) are not divine and they are not unified together with one divine purpose, work, or glory. Those pagan gods are false-behind their mask constitutes evil spirits who make up the “principalities and powers of an unseen world” masquerading as gods. And they are absolutely NOT unified with the same purpose, work, and glory which is “to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.” But rather those entities fight against the betterment of humanity they only seek our final destruction.
God progression is not defined by change. His progression is it informed by our very existence. When we grow into Godliness, He grows in glory. I love Him.
Awesome Channel! thanks for sharing these conversations! This definitely got me thinking and feeling the spirit. I hope to be able to have conversations like these were you guys showed respect while getting into different beliefs
I've reviewed this a few times Jacob and just want you and Jeff both to know that I hyper appreciate you both carrying on such far reaching concepts like you have here in such an emotionally regulated way. Hats off to both of you guys! - Please see my comments on some of the things you mention that may be repeat from other comments - forgive / mercy - just felt like some things are important to understand. I'm a lifelong member of said ''church" - - - I've considered that church doesn't exist in the Celestial Kingdom because there will no longer be a need to repent, and we can all sleep in literally on the 7th day/s of creation. . . (sort of jesting here). . . I did want to briefly point out that "becoming" in a 'personal development' sense, is something I've viewed with God being an absolute (there are several Neal A. Maxwell references I could give on this). - - - God doesn't learn new things. I'm going to point out some things here too: I. The word "moose"" - if we want to funnel this to a splitting yes or no? Is moose plural? Is moose singular? Is deer plural? Is deer singular? Both yes and no answers are correct contingent on context. We could also look at it like this: 1+4=5 2+3=5 3+2=5 2+3=5 4+1=5 That is essentially a chiasmus way to say that there is only 1 number 5 but there are simultaneously 5 number 5's contingent on our context and paradigm and interpretation. As an individual steeped in experiential models in the field of work I've landed into with horses in the past - I'm just going to point out that the more advanced horsemen are working on the basics amid their relationship/s with their horses. That's a fairly broadly known principle amid the horse world. I did want to clearly submit, however, and I think you conveyed this initially - God is ALL KNOWING and has ARRIVED - period - there is no further 'development'' in the sense that God still learns new things in eternal classrooms. . . God's increase is otherwise amid us as God's all knowing faith is. So so appreciated this interview and you two did a fantastic job at conveying some problematic principles. ("Problematic'') is Jeff's word from another of his videos I've viewed at length. Best to you!
Jacob fail to mention that the progression of God is this: For behold, this is my work and my glory-to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.
Paster Jeff when it comes to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints you will always come up short. There is much that you will never know because it will never fit into your beliefs. It is hard to drscribe a picture when most of the picture is missing as in the protestant reliegions. I wish you the best on your journey of discovery. My question is why do you make it so hard to understand when even a child can understand it?
I think one thing missed by Jeff in the protestant view of the unchangeability of God is the idea that God is perfect in an absolute and ultimate sense, therefore cant get anymore perfect and any change in nature must be away from the absolute perfection He already has resulting in a less than perfect God. Great conversation!
I've found that with most LDS people when they want to convert you to them it's like when a mother says "be careful" as your going out to do something she worries about (i.e. riding your motorcycle to the next state to attend college) it's another way of saying "I love you"
I loved this. Respectful dialog is so awesome. I loved it when you said about us being closer on trinity/godhead than we realise. I'm a convert. And was evangelical/pentecostal till I was 30. So I wrestled with whole Godhead/Trinity thing. But at the end of the day, it's the condescension of Jesus coming to us and dying and being ressurected. Thanks to both of you
What a fantastic discussion. I come from the Evangelical side but having grown up in Independence, MO, I've had a lot of exposure and even relatives in the RLDS church and now Restoration Branches. I love the discussion and the point/counter point between Jeff and Jacob and their views and comparison. Also that they both are willing to listen to each other, and compare actual views, in fact the best understanding of their arguments, rather than straw-man arguments. So I love hearing this. Keep up the discussion guys.
I have heard thousands tell their near death experiences and the majority explain God as a Brilliant light full of unconditional love that they have never experienced on earth. Some of them have merged into this light of love.
During these discussions, which have been so interesting and enlightening, I always come back to the Plan of Salvation. The trinity is so hard for us to believe because we believe we are spirit children of God (Heavenly Father) and we believe Jehovah (Jesus Christ) is also God's son, as was Lucifer (Satan). For those without our understanding of pre-mortal life, the council and war in heaven through latter-day revelation and the Book of Moses and Abraham, our belief of the Godhead wouldn't make sense.
What a great and honest episode. May I say something about the holy trinity my feeling is you guys are both correct. The holy trinity is both three separate entities and also one. Let me explain, if you have three computers that are all connected, each computer is gathering information on its own but each computer also knows or has access to all the information that is input. Now some people might say there are three computers, and some people might say no it’s just one computer. It’s my feeling that this is how we get off track when studying theology. The long and the short of it is, it just doesn’t matter that much how you think of it. Thanks again guys keep up the good work!
This was such a great discussion. I appreciate the respect you both had for each other and allowed time to discuss and share thoughts and beliefs. Pastor Jeff mentioned deciding if he wants to go on the Midnight Mormons show, and I don’t see that being productive. They can’t go 1 minute without interrupting each other. It’s hard to watch.
David Alexander was Raised Catholic, became a devout Evangelical Christian and last week become a Latter Day Saint. He explains why on his amazing new RU-vid channel called "Delighting in LDS Truth." Pastor Jeff, what are your thoughts on his video called "Is Trinitarianism What Christians have taught for 2000 years?"
