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Prototype Silenced Sten for Paratroops: the Mk4(S) 

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The Sten Mk4 was developed experimentally in 1943 for use by British paratroops. It used a remarkably awful folding stock along with a shortened receiver and barrel to make a very compact package - albeit one that must have been very uncomfortable to shoot. Several different models were made, with this one being a Mk4a(S) - the suppressed version. The suppressor is essentially the same system as used on the MkII(S), but with the rear endcap and barrel being permanently fixed to the receiver of the gun.
Only a small number (allegedly 2000) Mk4 guns were originally made, and they were used for testing only - never for field service. Virtually all were destroyed after the war, with a few remaining examples in British museums. This one was amnesty registered in 1968, and is almost certainly the only one in private hands in the US (and possible the only privately owned one in the world).
The Mk4 was dropped in favor of the Mk5, which was a much more effective gun and was used by the British paratroopers in the late days of World War Two.
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@mrkeogh
@mrkeogh Год назад
Was convinced Ian was about to say "absolute UNIT of a gun" at the start of the video.
@walthercreed6134
@walthercreed6134 Год назад
With no doubt at all :)
@Dunkopf
@Dunkopf Год назад
Alas
@vaclavholek4497
@vaclavholek4497 Год назад
My first thought was "...an absolute eunuch of a gun." 😂
@DrewtheMew
@DrewtheMew Год назад
unitcorn...
@achillebelanger9546
@achillebelanger9546 Год назад
@@vaclavholek4497 It definitely was “ a small Package “.
@Lunageldia
@Lunageldia Год назад
My favorite part of desktop videos is when Ian just pulls other guns up from his lap.
@ianfurqueron5850
@ianfurqueron5850 Год назад
Morphy's April 11-3 auction has an amazing and drool inducing array of NFA items. Both of the comparison guns are also listed. This particular gun is lot 1032 with a sale estimate between $50K-$100K.
@Joe3pops
@Joe3pops Год назад
1988 I was lucky enuf at CFB Petawawa to get to fire a silenced Mk 2 Sten gun via our visiting American friends from Fort Drum. It was very reliable. And being it was suppressed the effect was small circular groups on target. And at full auto sounded like a normal 22 rimfire rifle report.
@mrkanook9226
@mrkanook9226 Год назад
Finally, the shoulder thing that goes up
@Nathan-Roman
@Nathan-Roman Год назад
Ah yes, the barrel shroud
@Anino_Makata
@Anino_Makata Год назад
I was hoping that Ian would get a chance to shoot it to see just how bad it might be, but then I remembered it was missing the retention screw for the suppressor body and there's a chance it was found in a garbage bin... ... yeah Ian may be Gun Jesus, but let's not Kentucky Ballistics him to see if he'll come back in three days.
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons Год назад
Wait for tomorrow... ;)
@izzfitri6888
@izzfitri6888 Год назад
Ian, don't. Look what happened to Scott!
@Eclec-Tronics
@Eclec-Tronics Год назад
@@ForgottenWeapons He IS the Messiah!
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 Год назад
​@@ForgottenWeapons I kinda want to see just how big a fireball it will throw with the can removed...
@fed_zeppelin_
@fed_zeppelin_ Год назад
I swear Ian has a name for every fucking little part of every kind of gun. Even parts that really don’t even necessarily need or probably even have a name.. like he definitely makes some of them up and it’s hilarious.
@redacted2280
@redacted2280 Год назад
Without the suppressor and the stock folded it looks near identical to the bastard pistol from Metro Exodus. That is insanely cool!
@777ta2
@777ta2 Год назад
That thing without a stock and supressor is begging to be a star wars blaster
@dimas152mm
@dimas152mm Год назад
some people might call that stock fugly but damn i really like that kind of stock
@hypethekomodo6495
@hypethekomodo6495 Год назад
I feel like calling that thing a 'stock' is extremely generous. I can't envision this being comfortable to shoot in any kind of position.
@limeybonesjones7395
@limeybonesjones7395 Год назад
it's incredible to me how the sten is borderline not really useable, but they kept making things out of it. I guess any thing that goes boom is better then nothing.
@LD-Orbs
@LD-Orbs Год назад
TOOB!
@Moondog66602
@Moondog66602 Год назад
Wish we could get a shooting comparison on the stens like we had with the Thompson ages ago
@sogerc1
@sogerc1 Год назад
Hey guys, this is Forgotten Weapons, I am Ian McCollum and today we're looking at an *actual* *unicorn* that I was able to find.
@jarink1
@jarink1 Год назад
That looks cool as hell with the stock extended and suppressor removed.
@dude126
@dude126 Год назад
Didn't know this existed. Truly a forgotten weapon. Thanks.
@TheHylianBatman
@TheHylianBatman Год назад
That's very fun.
@eksbocks9438
@eksbocks9438 Год назад
If this was meant for paratroopers, They could have incorporated a piece of tubing that screws into the back of the lower receiver. That way, there could have been some cheek rest to it.
@williameargle8851
@williameargle8851 Год назад
Am I crazy or did he edit in a slide whistle sound at 1:26 when he's unfolding the stock? I have no idea what else that could be
@simonblanchet1022
@simonblanchet1022 Год назад
Have you ever made a clip on the Sterling SMG ?
@johncox2865
@johncox2865 Год назад
US Marines: We not only save the world, we save it’s history too! However the guy got it here, I’m glad he did😉 It’s such a shame the others were destroyed.
@DarkSamura1700
@DarkSamura1700 Год назад
I'd love to see a crossover between you and Johnathan Ferguson from forgotten weapons. Don't know if you have done that already
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons Год назад
I've done several - just search the channel for "Ferguson"
@damanyocum149
@damanyocum149 Год назад
Gun Jesus is back with another forgotten weapon!
@rudboypaintbrawl
@rudboypaintbrawl Год назад
One small step further and they could get rid of that atrocious stock as well as making gun much more compact. BULLPUP IT ! ! ! In one fell swoop IT would become paratroopers/mrchanized units dream gun ;)
@Anatoli-y
@Anatoli-y Год назад
Supa dupa paratroopa
@markfergerson2145
@markfergerson2145 Год назад
I'm of two minds about you getting to take it out to shoot. I want very much to know what it sounds like, but don't want to see you struggle to aim it.
@youmustbethatninja
@youmustbethatninja Год назад
2:47 Let meeee do it for you
@kawaiiarchive357
@kawaiiarchive357 Год назад
Oh cool a SNEAK TOOB plus it has an actual grip. It has points for aesthetics no points on practicality.
@paidwitness797
@paidwitness797 Год назад
People always say how ugly the Stens are, for some reason i have always liked their brutal minimalism and almost skeletonised look.
@riobigby6561
@riobigby6561 Год назад
Always thought it looked very cool as well!
@Kevin-mx1vi
@Kevin-mx1vi Год назад
"almost skeletonised" as in "If they added some bits it might become a skeleton !" 😉
@riobigby6561
@riobigby6561 Год назад
@Kevin oh haha righto
@danielwang2956
@danielwang2956 Год назад
Next time she laughs at your small package, confidently tell her it's for airborne operations
@areed2000
@areed2000 Год назад
Love how the man that knows more about small arms than most historians still apologizes when he misspeaks.
@aidenhall8593
@aidenhall8593 Год назад
That’s the hallmark of a good academic, one that realizes their own fallibility.
@YaeLisa
@YaeLisa Год назад
And that is why Ian is my go-to guntuber.
@Matt-xc6sp
@Matt-xc6sp Год назад
If you were to go back and watch every single Forgotten Weapons you’d probably come away with a better grasp of history and mechanical engineering than most people. Never mind the guns
@anon_y_mousse
@anon_y_mousse Год назад
@@Matt-xc6sp Indeed, and I really appreciate when he goes over the functionality of the guns. Seeing how they solved certain issues in the past can be quite handy.
@rifles_up2263
@rifles_up2263 Год назад
He’s humble,I think that’s one of the main reasons he has virtually no detractors.
@POTUSJimmyCarter
@POTUSJimmyCarter 3 месяца назад
"As far as we know, only two of these things exist today, one of which was officially submitted into the British Royal Armouries' Pattern Room and the other was allegedly found lying in a ditch by some random guy." It's so bizarre how often this theme seems to come up.
@Tunkkis
@Tunkkis Год назад
Man, the regular STENs are no beauties, but this is straight up ugly. I really want one.
@stereolyne
@stereolyne Год назад
You, sir, have one sort of an acquired taste, I'll give you that
@harryfaber
@harryfaber Год назад
Very handy if you find yourself dropping from a Halifax on top of a defended position, not so good for target shooting.
@krissteel4074
@krissteel4074 Год назад
My favourite was they just didn't bother getting a shorter spring made up 'snip'
@kapitan762x54R
@kapitan762x54R Год назад
​@@krissteel4074 ugly is often beutiful in the gun world. Within limits.
@Chiller01
@Chiller01 Год назад
Thats what i said about my wife!
@caeserromero3013
@caeserromero3013 Год назад
What always amazes me about criticism of the Sten is that people always wonder why the British didn't make a 'Better' gun, when the whole point of the Sten wasn't to be 'Good' (they weren't competing with the MP40 or Thompson for international arms sales market share) but to be the CHEAPEST gun they could make that could kill Nazis. That's all it's designed to do. It's literally one step up from a zip gun. So no ergonomics, no night time optics, no bells and whistles. It just slam fires a 9mm out the end of a steel tube and that's it. Even rifling the barrel was considered a 'Luxury' 🤣
@geraldreynolds9650
@geraldreynolds9650 Год назад
They were actually great to shoot.When i was younger and living in South Africa I shot them a few times and although it wasn't war time they were fun to mow down the bowling pins with.
@Quintus_Fontane
@Quintus_Fontane Год назад
The question was asked, "How many emergency SMGs do we need, and how much quality are we willing to sacrifice to get them as soon as possible?", and the answer was, by urgent necessity, "Yes".
@Man_fay_the_Bru
@Man_fay_the_Bru Год назад
@@geraldreynolds9650 aye they’re good to shoot,I shot one in the army cadets here inn Scotland
@itsconnorstime
@itsconnorstime Год назад
I’ve shot a Mark 5, and it was very pleasant to shoot. I’d never shot a 9mm mag before, bracing myself for a kick that wasn’t there!
@greycatturtle7132
@greycatturtle7132 Год назад
Yea
@jamesburr2112
@jamesburr2112 Год назад
That shot at 4:14... BEHOLD THE STEN PISTOL!!!
@robertfoley8414
@robertfoley8414 Год назад
Looks like another Star Wars tm side arm
@wierdalien1
@wierdalien1 4 месяца назад
Lol
@vincentmueller3717
@vincentmueller3717 Год назад
If only it were possible, an episode on the back stories of the '68 amnesty guns would be wonderfully entertaining. I mean the individual guns stories. The circumstances of acquisition, possible transport into the US, etc. I know of 1 gun brought home by a missionary from Africa in the '60s. The stories they could tell....
@cchris667
@cchris667 Год назад
These are the videos that keep me coming back!! "Here's a unicorn! Here's what's different, and here's why it's different." I. Love. These. Videos!
@zachcarr1557
@zachcarr1557 Год назад
I like the little wooooooo the stock makes when you rotate it
@mattfleming86
@mattfleming86 Год назад
Hah! 😊It was a mix between a slide whistle and the closure spring on an old screen porch door.
@dillonc7955
@dillonc7955 Год назад
Imagine breaking into someone's home and the first thing you hear is *wooooo CLACK*
@aidenhall8593
@aidenhall8593 Год назад
I’d just accept death at that point
@rays5163
@rays5163 Год назад
im assuming you can leave the stock folded up and use it as a front grip but man they really could've shaped it a little better. even if it's something as simple as sticking a block of wood to it
@thetexan1011
@thetexan1011 Год назад
If I'm correct the stenndid have an wood stock attachment, I've seen some pictures floating around
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons Год назад
You can, but it's a bit wobbly.
@krissteel4074
@krissteel4074 Год назад
That bit of wood will cost extra, tell Nigel to leave it off!
@gilgamecha
@gilgamecha Год назад
Wood costs weight costs aviation fuel.
@marvinheemeyer9768
@marvinheemeyer9768 Год назад
@@gilgamecha Excellent point!
@gubulgaria5416
@gubulgaria5416 Год назад
"Execution wise, this thing's pretty much terrible" ....... So it's a Sten gun. Ah, no cheek-weld, it's even worse than every other Sten
@0b3rz0nK
@0b3rz0nK Год назад
When you think they could not possibly make a worse stock then the coat-hanger or the rod with the plate…
@ThatDrako
@ThatDrako Год назад
Sten is one of my favorite weapons. Yes...today I really wouldn't want to have it in my hands during battle, because of how unreliable that gun is _(And I should know a lot about how much. I'm Czech.)_ but it's the part of the reason why I love that gun so much. It's cheap and simple, exactly as intended to be. Plus the scrap, almost post-apocalyptic aesthetics of it. Simply wonderful...
@lucacolombo7603
@lucacolombo7603 Год назад
Loved the Heydrich reference.
@rodeoclownobama5796
@rodeoclownobama5796 Год назад
the gun is poc. and that's being polite
@nobodysfavourite6953
@nobodysfavourite6953 Год назад
Did it fail you while you were surrendering your country to nazis?
@lazzie7495
@lazzie7495 Год назад
​@@rodeoclownobama5796 well yes, but it's what they had at the time.
@HalNeinThousand
@HalNeinThousand Год назад
The stock even makes a comedy sound effect when extended! 1:28
@DoubleyouCeeGee
@DoubleyouCeeGee Год назад
I'm guessing with short barrel / subsonic ammo balancing out the changes to the spring and bolt the fire rate stays about the same as a normal Sten?
@daved2352
@daved2352 Год назад
That Marine absolutely stole that gun. Petty theft is a fine tradition among soldiers as I understand it.
@Kevin-mx1vi
@Kevin-mx1vi Год назад
To quote Spike Milligan; "When we landed in Naples we were warned "Beware ! Naples is full of thieves!" It was ! They were called The British Army !" 😁
@richb313
@richb313 Год назад
Thanks for explaining the differences between the standard Sten and this prototype.
@jamesbailey1908
@jamesbailey1908 Год назад
This would be right at home in a Fallout game, it has such an atompunk vibe
@ajhoward8888
@ajhoward8888 Год назад
Feels like a better name for this thing would be the Welp Rod.
@alexsis1778
@alexsis1778 Год назад
Ah the 1940s. When you could find a full auto suppressed sub machine gun in the garbage.
@53jed
@53jed Год назад
Ownership - five versions of a story; "I found it," "I was issued it," "I stole it," something in between, or what the judge decides. You be the judge.
@ducomaritiem7160
@ducomaritiem7160 Год назад
Wow, I'll make a 3D version tonight for my vintage Action Man 1:6 scale! Great
@thetexan1011
@thetexan1011 Год назад
God the stock is worse than the normal stock, how i that even possible?
@chrishahn3834
@chrishahn3834 Год назад
pew pew pew... but quiet!
@kmech3rd
@kmech3rd Год назад
Wep Wep Wep!!
@njones420
@njones420 Год назад
Fut fut fut
@latinojackson9694
@latinojackson9694 Год назад
A unicorn mainly for the fact that this one's grip was designed with a human's hand in mind for once.
@SMAXZO
@SMAXZO Год назад
1:58 Missed opportunity to say "a STENdard magazine"
@VR-ym8ys
@VR-ym8ys Год назад
When you sday the British developed this in 1943 and 1944, what you mean is; they threw it together in 1943 and 1944, because the term 'develop' does not really describe it.
@deadturtle007
@deadturtle007 Год назад
Our British friends thought you might be able to use this! - if you know that quote you played a great game
@kubrick1969
@kubrick1969 Год назад
Designer: Hey, we designed a much better pistol grip Para: where the hell can I put my cheek to take aim??? Designer: mmmmm.... have I mentioned that we have a new pistol grip? D
@richardsmith5380
@richardsmith5380 Год назад
Not to nit pick, but... The weld in front of the front sight secures the front sight. Pull the plunger, rotate the magazine housing down, and the barrel retaining collar will unscrew, and it and the barrel and the silencer (if assembled to the collar) can be removed. The other Stens in the video are a Mk. V and a Mk. I*.
@jpmangen
@jpmangen Год назад
So if he was issued the weapon then it was hand receipted to him and he could be held accountable. Later on he says he found it in the rubbish then it is a case of finders keepers loser weepers with no actionable accountability could be applied..mmmm…
@stevebooher7419
@stevebooher7419 Год назад
Found it in a garbage dump....LMAO
@michaels5210
@michaels5210 Год назад
Why this gun look like it’s from Fallout
@lucasokeefe7935
@lucasokeefe7935 Год назад
This thing is so inconspicuous too. If you saw someone carrying that around you'd never know it was a weapon if they were wearing a safety vest and hard hat
@sealove79able
@sealove79able Год назад
A great fantastic very interesting video and smg(s). Was it possible to mount a silencer on the Thompson or Grease Gun smgs?Have a good oneGJ.
@kencampbell1750
@kencampbell1750 Год назад
I think this is the same gun Matt did a short vid on at SHOT for The Armourer’s Bench. Nice to see it in more detail.
@boylukefirearms
@boylukefirearms Год назад
thanks for this video 🔥🤟🏼
@maybeblakemclemore
@maybeblakemclemore Год назад
with the suppressor off, it could be a cute little bag gun with the stock folded, not saying it would be good, but it's cute
@nathanielrittenhouse9965
@nathanielrittenhouse9965 Год назад
I have some original mk1 parts for a further project then this is next on my list. Thanks for showing this beauty.
@luked2767
@luked2767 Год назад
I love the stem but most stocks are just so bad why not just have a folding MP40 type stok with a bakelite cheek guard or even just a softwood or plywood stock reinforced with some steel down the middle, I know hardwood was a vital war supply but whoever deiaghned the tube stock with hole thumb grip should have been shot.
@panqueque445
@panqueque445 Год назад
Best thing you can say about this gun is "it'll shoot bullets".
@dwee44
@dwee44 Год назад
The simpliest tech and design always amaze me, if i had a time machine i would like to go to engineering offices of this kind of guns !
@korbendallas5318
@korbendallas5318 Год назад
Excellent gun, I use it regularly. ... in Sniper Elite.
@MrNexor-cj8gs
@MrNexor-cj8gs Год назад
Did RU-vid change their stupid rules again?
@juliopedrogasparetovigollo706
That barrel is not small. I think a 3 inch barrel is a perfectly sized barrel. Definitely an average size.
@dovahkiin5499
@dovahkiin5499 Год назад
3 inch barrel... that thing is enormous
@bobjordan8283
@bobjordan8283 Год назад
Feels big when it goes off!!
@Adrian-qk2fn
@Adrian-qk2fn Год назад
At 1.02 "Execution wise, meh, this thing's pretty much terrible..." It's a STEN Gun. What else did you expect?
@FelixstoweFoamForge
@FelixstoweFoamForge Год назад
"It's a horrible Kludge...." Yes. well, it's a Sten, isn't it. Kind of what you expect.
@mikkelmyrup7465
@mikkelmyrup7465 Год назад
0:40 normally it would gave barrel that would end right about here... TO my knowledge this is the first time in seven years that you have been pointing out something offscreen. You get a free pas sir ;)
@scarfaceAC2
@scarfaceAC2 Год назад
Ah yes, the STEN. The best SMG to use until you find another SMG
@bubblegumbabeface6629
@bubblegumbabeface6629 Год назад
Now THIS is a forgotten weapon!
@howey935
@howey935 2 месяца назад
My great uncle was a paratrooper in WWII but that’s as much as I know because he wouldn’t talk about WWII.
@georgeosborn3223
@georgeosborn3223 Год назад
I saw the picture and immediately thought, "Elbonian"!
@colonthree
@colonthree Год назад
I truly rejoice in your auction videos. ;w;
@gregoryheim9781
@gregoryheim9781 3 месяца назад
LoLoL The marine stole it, snuck it back to the States, and then legalized it during the amnesty.
@thomandstacieverroad8417
@thomandstacieverroad8417 Год назад
Stamped metal construction, crappy ergonomics and a 3 inch barrel. All around a crap gun. All that aside.... I want one in the worst way
@MikeDCWeld
@MikeDCWeld Год назад
Pretty cool that there's actually one out there in private hands! It's a real shame that the British opted to destroy them when they decided to go with the Mk V. That's even more annoying than the French practice of upgrading _every gun_ when they come up with improvements. At least they're still being used and there seems to always be a handful floating around that were "missed" in the upgrade process.
@Scroolewse
@Scroolewse Год назад
With all those Stens I'm a little confused, which ones were actually issued during the war? Sorry I don't know my history too well.
@andrewcombe8907
@andrewcombe8907 16 дней назад
A silent smg. The Germans must have been terrified of the British.
@TheSrSunday
@TheSrSunday Год назад
There is that 11th Commandment in the Marines: Thou should steal from the Army...
@levisayev4398
@levisayev4398 Год назад
Us marine saying different stories. Tactically acquired
@jimmyadamo3999
@jimmyadamo3999 Год назад
He truly is "gun Jesus," for he can make submachineguns miraculously appear... when he needs examples.😂
@davidseddon2157
@davidseddon2157 Год назад
Actually, I'd say that barrel length is above average if anything
@bushranger8960
@bushranger8960 Год назад
Hey Ian, on a related note, did the Australians ever issue Austen Submachine Guns with suppressors? I know they were issued with the Sten Mk 2s and Mk 6, but since they had the Austen, would they even be able to equip suppressors to them?
@larsdejong7396
@larsdejong7396 Год назад
So in other words, that officer stole it. Not that I'm complaining though, he saved this monstrosity from the British gun scare.
@jansenart0
@jansenart0 Год назад
1:30 The sound!
@jimbob1103
@jimbob1103 Год назад
All I see when I look at a sten anymore is that horrible cursed thing from COD Vanguard that had a reciprocating rod slamming out the back.
@norwegianwiking
@norwegianwiking Год назад
Didn't we just hear the same story about a officer issued another gun in the UK and walking home with it, is this the same guy? How many guns did he bring home?
@bobjordan8283
@bobjordan8283 Год назад
Thank you sir love the education I get on small arms and sometimes large arms around the world! You are a treasure to all lovers of weapons!!
@M21Karl
@M21Karl Год назад
Were they able to use the Sten Mk V without the stock or did they ever come up with a plate to put on to use it without the stock? I was just curious from a paratrooper point of view. Did they jump with weapon bags or exposed weapons or did they not jump with their weapons on their person at all and just put them in door bundle containers?
@loupiscanis9449
@loupiscanis9449 Год назад
Thank you , Ian . 🐺
@edgaraquino2324
@edgaraquino2324 Год назад
Good video! Any chance that this Sten can be refurbished & taken out on the range? Or is it too rare a piece to do so? It would be an interesting video to compare this one to the other Para Sten you showed with the wood stock...perhaps fire them both...😊I have to say that it looks really badass-though ugly...What do you think?
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