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Proving ancestry DNA tests are pseudoscience 

Nicholas Black
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Genetic Ancestry Tests Mostly Hype, Scientists Say: www.livescienc....
Genetic Testing is an Inexact Science, Task Force Says: blogs.scientif....
Paper on White Supremacy and DNA Testing:
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@NicholasBlack
@NicholasBlack 2 года назад
Articles/papers mentioned in the video: Genetic Ancestry Tests Mostly Hype, Scientists Say: www.livescience.com/7384-genetic-ancestry-tests-hype-scientists.html#:~:text=Several%20companies%20now%20claim%20that,family%20tree%20and%20ancestral%20homeland. Genetic Testing is an Inexact Science, Task Force Says: blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/genetic-ancestry-testing-is-an-inexact-science-task-force-says/#:~:text=As%20store%2Dbased%20distribution%20of,drawing%20widespread%20concern%20from%20experts. Paper on White Supremacy and DNA Testing: digitalcommons.chapman.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1008&context=international_studies_theses
@ningningshining2831
@ningningshining2831 2 года назад
ay 69
@bobgillis1137
@bobgillis1137 6 месяцев назад
I think these are scams to harvest data from individuals using hype and unlikely scenarios, so they can sell the info onward to others. You are not their client; you are the product.
@laurenlettiere1381
@laurenlettiere1381 2 года назад
It may be pseudoscience, but I have come to appreciate the community aspect these websites provide. My mom picked up genealogy and has created family trees for both her side and my dad stretching back a couple hundred years. I'm genuinely impressed with the amount of work she's done. The DNA test has allowed her to get in touch with cousins she didn't know she had, which is a nice social outlet for her. Plus, and this is just me, but I love the specific genre of dramatic story that has popped up because of these websites. They may or may not be true but the idea of a college-age kid innocently sending one of these off only to uncover a family skeleton that was buried for decades if not centuries gets me every time.
@NicholasBlack
@NicholasBlack 2 года назад
That’s actually the good part about these tests! They may not be able to accurately tell you where your ancestors came from but they can actually tell you who you’re related to now. My mother actually found her biological family with these tests, so I have a similar success story with them :)
@laurenlettiere1381
@laurenlettiere1381 2 года назад
@@NicholasBlack I think that the geographical part of the tests are kind of funny. Mom and I have both done ancestry and 23&me while my brother and dad have just done ancestry. I can't speak for the men in my family but for my mom and I, the results vary wildly. Sure, they're in the same general regions we expected to be from. But I'm looking at my 23&me ancestry right now and it says I am 60.4% Britsh & Irish with 1.3% from France and Germany but if I roll over to Ancestry it says I'm 36% French. Somehow I have Norwegien in my Ancestry test despite the rest of my immediate family taking it and no one else having Norwegian DNA. And yes, it was confirmed though their website that I am the genetic child of my parents. There's more layers to it but they're all various shades of white so I like to call myself a Western European mutt.
@laurenlettiere1381
@laurenlettiere1381 2 года назад
@@NicholasBlack Also sorry if you addressed this in your video because I'm super high and processing is hard but did you go over the Neanderthal portion of the 23&me test? Apparently I have 68% more Neanderthal DNA than other customers. If I were a kid my bullies would abuse the hell out of that knowledge lmao. I do find it interesting how some of us have Neanderthal DNA and some of us don't, and that's a fact.
@laurenlettiere1381
@laurenlettiere1381 2 года назад
@@NicholasBlack PS You have very pretty eyes
@Vannah272
@Vannah272 2 года назад
My brother did one and uncovered a massive skeleton. Turns out my mom's three children are all half-siblings. Didn't see that one coming.
@jules0520
@jules0520 2 года назад
I always felt DNA testing for humans like that were sort of sketch, I did get a DNA test for my dog though! (which felt a lot more sensical because it's just determining breed mix not ancestry)
@meilee8554
@meilee8554 2 года назад
Yea, it makes more sense for animals that may have behavior patterns and maybe health problems related to their breed. Doing it on humans is just kinda....odd.
@miglek9613
@miglek9613 2 года назад
it makes sense if someone wants to know if they have a higher risk of cancer or smth or if they want to find their family, I personally just think that the ethnicity part is kinda messed up
@FayeFahrenheit
@FayeFahrenheit 2 года назад
I'm sorry to tell you that the breed tests are not 100% accurate either
@aghostwithtwobrokelegs9995
@aghostwithtwobrokelegs9995 2 года назад
Glasses on: sciencey talk with quotes Glasses off: we're translating it for the casuals and adding on it
@CuntyMisanthrope
@CuntyMisanthrope 2 года назад
Okay but that hairstyle is so flattering on Nick though! Gorgino 🙌🏻
@user-ur7jl1fx4c
@user-ur7jl1fx4c 2 года назад
as someone whos father was adopted and had to turn to tests like these, they are extremely biased and innacurate. as far as tracing living relatives it can help, it can also help with geneology especially with closed adoptions and messy adoption affairs. however the entire industry is for white people to flaunt their barely there ancestry as for anyone whos nonwhite there are barely any matches , especially for smaller ethnic groups your fresh out of luck. for most people if you are not adopted doing paper trail geneology and / or hiring a geneologist
@user-ur7jl1fx4c
@user-ur7jl1fx4c 2 года назад
*is best
@syra1541
@syra1541 2 года назад
I always wanted to take one of these tests since my dad was adopted and we know very little about where he's from, and I've seen how little information they seem to have on many asian countries, it was definitely disappointing
@warriorgohan1121
@warriorgohan1121 2 месяца назад
Exactly! But it’s not even just white since lots of people are now considered white and were oppressed for not being seen as white but it’s Anglo Americans trying to purify the og white race which was mostly Anglo Saxon British descent or the first Europeans from early colonialism. Anyone that is European descent that’s not Anglo or that’s Mediterranean and/or even middle eastern and North African that have been in America for centuries in America who can prove they come from that background don’t get as much of accurate results and are labeled as mostly British. Lots of ethnicities that are mainly white supremacist Anglo American who were the proclaimed original white people have had a pattern of demonizing those who aren’t like them and then assimilate their cultural and ethnic identity because they wanted more white people on their statistics. So the purity thing is mainly done by Anglo Americans and that’s very important to keep in mind because Mediterranean people MENA people and anyone that’s not Anglo Saxon America or WASP didn’t participate in he creation of white supremacy and racial purity and actual were victims of assimilation who just so happen to be considered white now according to the U.S census.
@randomperson2597
@randomperson2597 2 года назад
Also with the Ghengis Kahn stuff, there was study that found that when you go back like 1000 years you are decended from everyone who was alive, kings and peasants. It’s not amazing if you are descended from king Charlemagne, literally ANYONE with at least one European ancestor is descended from him. Same can be applied to everywhere in the world
@danic2514
@danic2514 2 года назад
Yes technically tons of people could trace back that there is some shared ancestry with Barrack Obama or whoever you want to chose, but if you do the math, your relatedness to this person is typically a fraction of a fraction.
@Jane-oz7pp
@Jane-oz7pp 2 года назад
@@danic2514 iirc we are at furthest 52nd cousins with anybody we will ever meet anywhere on Earth. It's hardly surprising since a species kinda has to be related to exist.
@jayson7536
@jayson7536 2 года назад
I would disagree a little bit with this one, because lots of indigenous socieities that Europeans and Americans colonized previously had no contact with either of those, in some cases isolated from the rest of the world (for instance Hawai‘i), but if you go back really really REALLY far then yes this is accurate
@justwhy9427
@justwhy9427 2 года назад
We found a bit of a skeleton when my grandparents got their dna/ family history documents test. My grandfather was raised Catholic and my Great Grandmother assumed that she married a Catholic man (something that was very important to her). She didn’t, her husband was an Ashkenazi Jew. Turns out that the reason he was an abusive alcoholic was very likely because he lost his entire family during WW2 and turned to the bottle to cope.
@Ronniemoment
@Ronniemoment 2 года назад
I just use these because my grandmother was adopted and i want to know what genetic diseases i could have
@NicholasBlack
@NicholasBlack 2 года назад
I’d also say that’s a good use for these tests.
@danic2514
@danic2514 2 года назад
Even so take them with a grain of salt because they typically like to hype up the actual genomic profile of this without knowing if you truly have it.
@jinxshijinx
@jinxshijinx 2 года назад
I'm definitely a white American, but I get frustrated at my family for letting me be sometimes. I have ties as close and my maternal grandfather immigrating from Italy and my paternal grandmother growing up on a rez and actively participating in the culture. I'm a generation removed and it's genuinely upsetting that I can see my family having a culture and bot letting me,, maybe it's silly to be upset but it bothers me that they were so quick to assimilate and remove themselves from their culture
@glue6679
@glue6679 2 года назад
Depending on where you live, it can be hard for people to keep up with their culture, or even feel safe doing it. I'm so sorry they left you feeling like you're without a culture. You could reconnect with some of it in your own one day, but it would probably be challenging. I wish you luck. :)
@Junebug0369
@Junebug0369 2 года назад
FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT! this has been a big topic on my mind and I haven’t seen it covered anywhere, thank you
@tomfoolery2856
@tomfoolery2856 2 года назад
"you are not finnish you're white american" *vanishes from the country of finland and forgets language* yeehaw pardner wanna go see my truck bessie? yeaaaa she's a good one
@finch4309
@finch4309 2 года назад
i feel like talking about how there are both white americans who arent connected with any ethnicity and those are is rly important, as well as recognizing that there is a scale within that. like id say i semi have a culture, my family is scottish and my dad got married in his kilt and we hang the crest around the house and we’re planning on a trip to scotland and we celebrate the equinoxes, solstices, and fire festivals, but i havent had much connection with people outside my family or in scotland. all in all its kind of ridiculous to try and reduce something as complex as culture down to genetics like these tests do, and its so much more nuanced and complex than these tests allow for.
@CamilaRodriguez-ym3mc
@CamilaRodriguez-ym3mc 2 года назад
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@laurentcathery273
@laurentcathery273 2 года назад
Hey, as a swiss person, ancestry did technically said something about being swiss. The screenshot you showed is labelled as "germanic region", as far as i know it does include part of switzerland and austria (possibly liechtenstein too) so yeah it is fair to compare them to some extent (23andme did add french tho and didnt consider austria and liechtenstein) and the pourcentage are different in this case.
@mangoslormpy7618
@mangoslormpy7618 2 года назад
As a black person, I waned like to learn a bit about where my ancestors came from so i could reconnect and even influence my African American culture. I even went and found a site that tested specifically for African genes and whatnot. I still haven't done it cuz it was expensive and I could never find out if they would keep my DNA on file in case of police stuff. They also said somethin about only bein able to trace matriarchal history but not ALL since I would need DNA from a direct living male relative or somethin. That was years ago though and I have to say I am pretty happy with where I am. I still wanna learn a few languages (African and otherwise), but overall, I'm happy just knowing the family I have. I'll definitely keep some notes though in case I have kids and descendants and they wanna know more.
@The_Skrongler
@The_Skrongler 2 года назад
White people refusing to admit they're just white is a thing here in Aoteroa/New Zealand too. Karens get so mad about being called pakeha. (the Te Reo Māori word for white people) It's such a common issue that all kinds of forms that ask for ethnicity say "NZ European" and "Other European" instead of white or pakeha. I ain't never been to any part of Europe but apparently I'm "other European." Sometimes there's a follow up question asking what kind of "European" I am and I'm like "idk, a redneck?"
@cybersucia
@cybersucia 2 года назад
I think it helps more (?) if you know the cultures you come from and have recent immigrants in your family. I’m very much attached, participating in and knowledgeable about the cultures I come from and I did 23andme and Ancestry for fun to see if it was legit. For the most part, yeah it was. It even pinpointed the exact location that my dad immigrated from and the community that he hails from. My mom too! Although I don’t think you’re off about the whole pseudoscience-y aspect of these tests. Also I’ve been waiting a long ass time for the conversation of culture and white Americans. I like to say: “Are you culturally ___? Or are you genetically ___?” Cause there is a huge difference lmao. Also side note: I actually like 23andme way more than ancestry. I found it was more accurate.
@danic2514
@danic2514 2 года назад
Hey I wanted to ask how you traced that kind of thing! Mi abuelita immigrated from Mexico and has no idea about any of her family so it could be cool to investigate it.
@Alexa-mr7bo
@Alexa-mr7bo 2 года назад
I'm both scared for the comments and excited for the video, please go off sir
@crayonburry
@crayonburry 2 года назад
I was expecting this to be a takedown on the industry, because I already took all of this into consideration when looking at my moms tests. Glad you’re spreading this mindset though.
@-Natalie--
@-Natalie-- 2 года назад
I have to say, I very much get this video and yeah, it's iffy, but for me, the DNA test I took helped me want to dive deeper into cultures I already knew I came partially from. My family knows we have German ancestry and Irish, and the test I took pretty much just confirmed what I had already been told. It gave me 50% Scottish and 30% Irish (rounding) and my great grandma's family were direct immigrants from there. So for me it was really just a way to say, yeah this is a thing for me and I want to reconnect with Irish and Scottish culture. I mean, I look plenty Celtic (very pasty with wavy/curly hair) so it really just confirmed a lot.
@sw1tch358
@sw1tch358 2 года назад
Thank you so much for this video! I don't formally study genetics, although my parents are researchers in it and we all agree with you that not only are these tests based inaccurately on that of other people or certain traits, but that even by using that ambiguous reference, not all your genes will be analyzed (just because not all your genes will be expressed in the samples you send). I won't deny that there are some traits that can hint at being of a certain ethnicity or race (i.e: epicentral folds, 5 molar cusps and a thicker dermis are all traits commonly shared by east asians) , but having or not having them does not guarantee your race or ethnicity. P.S: I can easily see DNA tests grouping certain groups together, such as germanic countries or Korea and Japan due to tests seeing them as the same or very similar. I've known people try this who are 100% Korean and come out almost 50-50 Korean, Japanese and with low percentages of Chinese. And before anyone says Imperial Japan, previously mentioned person was very sure this did not affect their ancestry.
@TeaganBAllen
@TeaganBAllen 2 года назад
This actually helped me with something I was confused with. We did the genealogy records and found that my family (mom's side) is Jewish but the test didn't reflect Ashkenazi roots despite my having Ashkenazi family
@froggiepie
@froggiepie 2 года назад
my grandma from my dad's side of the family receantly took a dna test and got 16% norweigan and because my mom's side of the family is very scandinavian she got super excited and bought a norweigain sweater and insisted we all got together to have a norweigain sweater party and kept telling us she was 16% norweigan and we were all just like okay ???? like i'm glad shes so excited to learn about norweigain culture and stuff but it was a bit weird LOL
@BigGayIncorporated
@BigGayIncorporated 2 года назад
just weird ass huwite people things lmao
@hikites1245
@hikites1245 2 года назад
LMAO The fact that as soon as the video ended I got an ancestry test ad is just hilarious to me. Great video!
@heylol3142
@heylol3142 2 года назад
ancestry DNA tests are like MBTI & horoscopes but they actually scam you
@chrysanthemum7391
@chrysanthemum7391 2 года назад
Eh, not if you know what you're getting into with them. ~100-ish dollars in exchange for my dad discovering who half his family was was worth it. But yeah, they do a lot of false advertising when it comes to the ethnicity estimates.
@glue6679
@glue6679 2 года назад
This has always been a tricky subject for me. I'm Slavic, specifically polish, but born and raised in America. where do I draw the line? How polish am I considered? We immigrated here about 100 years ago, and we even have photos. I was raised on polish books and polish food, but I can't speak it. My grandmother is apparently around 100% polish according to ancestry, and my name is Zosia. I was also called a ethnic slur in middle school because they thought I was polish. But am I "casually" polish? I think my problem lies within the fact that my heritage in my father's side is very important to me, because I've grown up around it. I feel like I need to fully immerse myself to truly "be" polish, which has caused a lot of stress recently. Sorry for the long comment, this has just been on my mind for coming up on 2 years now.
@ania519
@ania519 2 года назад
Im also polish, 1st gen immigrant tho! This is just my opinion ofc, but id say bc you have polish heritage that clearly is of some importance to you, you could totally identify with it if you wish, although idk if most people would view you as "polish" because while the connection is clearly there im guessing you've never been there ect. (I'd personally consider you ethnically polish or American with polish roots/heritage (probably the 2nd)) If you spoke polish that would change some things too, as it would show you are really engrained in the launguage/culture (but btw its never too late to start learning if u want, it might seem really difficult but if you want to then go for it, im sure there's Lots of materials online!) But at the end of the day stuff like this is objective and different ppl see it differently so if u want to identity as polish (ethnically) then u can. And i sorta get what u mean about it causing you stress bc you dont rlly know where you stand. I have that problem too although on a much smaller scale as I am immersed in the culture, just live in a different country and that is quite an alienating experience to me. Yeah I hope this comment helped at least a little bit? Just thought id share my thoughts on the situation.
@Soggy_Speggetti
@Soggy_Speggetti 2 года назад
Reasons why my great grandma look through tons and tons of birth certificates, death certificates, literally visited the grave stones of our ancestors to find where my moms side of the family came from. It’s crazy how much she’s done and she will go off for hours explaining how my great great great great great grandma used to be a seamstress, and how all of our ancestors were Dutch and immigrated to the USA as tailors and how we got to California. To conclude she has too much time on her hands
@jinseiw
@jinseiw 2 года назад
For the swiss mention under germany/french, the two countries have been pretty chill diplomatically and there's a community of swiss people in french plus vice versa, so it could be in reference to that? Since germany, france, and Switzerland have that tripoint where they all meet so it could be distinguishing what it deems german and what it deems french/swiss.
@goldfishlover16
@goldfishlover16 2 года назад
i know this is off topic but i love your hair and also this video is really cool my dad always says he's French but his whole family more then 5 generations are from Texas and my mom is a direct immigrant from Russia and she feels offended that he says from all these European countries because he knows nothing about the struggles of being a immigrant and he knows nothing about the culture
@bestaqua23
@bestaqua23 2 года назад
I'm sorry for Jewish people it's mainly a way to find family that we lost contact with either during the Holocaust or during the iron curtain nothing to do with genetics where all pretty much fifth degree cousins anyway (Ashkenazi Jews at least)
@twojstary1839
@twojstary1839 2 года назад
im glad I'm European so I know without tests that I'm 50% Polish 50% gay
@peanus
@peanus 2 года назад
the circle glasses are back in a big way !
@woodtheran2195
@woodtheran2195 2 года назад
Nick, is that a man bun? I love it!
@NicholasBlack
@NicholasBlack 2 года назад
It’s in a ponytail, but same difference lmao. We’re at the half-up ponytail phase of hair growth.
@shadowdroid776
@shadowdroid776 2 года назад
Yeah I don't really go for the 'find your ancestors and tracking' part, and the health parts were weird to me. I just wanted to know if my mom was right when she said I was Native American and Italian when my whole ass family is from Scotland. On the plus side I already knew I'm related to Alexander Gramm Bell because my Mam Mam was related to him and never let me forget it growing up. RIP Mam Mam
@HotDogTimeMachine385
@HotDogTimeMachine385 2 года назад
It's annoying to see those types of americans that go: "my great great great great great grandfather was italian so I'm basically italian now." even though they've never stepped foot outside their small town. Meanwhile you have a european with italian-spanish and british-german grandparents living in france and he just goes "i'm french". The differences are crazy. It's mostly because you just hear more about people like that. Like when someone says their great great great great grandmother is black so they can use the n-word now. Or that their great great great great grandmother is native american.
@danic2514
@danic2514 2 года назад
Yea I actually read the fine print of these as someone who’s currently studying genetics (still undergrad so not finished) but essentially these DNA tests can only trace your ancestry as far as how much of your genomic makeup can be traced to common genetic variations found from different groups of people across the world. It however, doesn’t indicate anything about heritage, like it doesn’t accurately say “how much” of a race you are. Because that doesn’t exist.
@danic2514
@danic2514 2 года назад
The only thing that it helped me with is confirming that my mixed Mexican family does have indigenous ancestry, but it can’t tell us how much.
@danic2514
@danic2514 2 года назад
It ultimately ignores a lot of possibilities of racial admixture overtime, so like in the example, many black Americans may not have much in common with black Africans. Plus they ignore a lot of heritability variables for specific traits.
@danic2514
@danic2514 2 года назад
Sorry I hope I’m not confusing because of my jargon but I could clarify if someone asks
@pony_OwO
@pony_OwO 2 года назад
23andme having british and irish together got me mad ngl
@e.debevec626
@e.debevec626 2 года назад
Taking off the glasses is just nick dumbing it down for the rest of us
@moleculegirl
@moleculegirl 2 года назад
im personally on your side about this, ancestory as a concept is insanely weird and not every famous person even has kids. I'm ashkenazi american, no percentage that isnt 100 will make me discard that from my history. i know yiddish, my whole family is jewish and it doesnt matter to me if a digital screen says 61 and not 100. things like this and the autism gene or gay gene will never ever end well for the people. theyre all just nondescript markings that can really only be used by people to target others if youre a certain ethnicity or culture, no amount of odd wording or numbers on a page should tell you youre not.
@nyxusrune
@nyxusrune 2 года назад
German and Switzerland? My mom got a family kit a few years ago, so I’ve had it done, and mines says French and German, even tho all 50.9% is from Germany, (which makes sense, my great great grandma, who I knew, she actually died a year after my grandma, so in 2019, was 100% German and her family immigrated in the 1920 I believe.)
@torunami
@torunami 2 года назад
there we go
@NicholasBlack
@NicholasBlack 2 года назад
Lmaoooo
@mableland3315
@mableland3315 2 года назад
I got an ancestry ad before this video-
@haydentcem
@haydentcem 2 года назад
Genghis Khan is actually pronounced (Ching-iss Hahn)
@NicholasBlack
@NicholasBlack 2 года назад
Huh, interesting, I’ve only ever heard it pronounced the way I did. I’ll look into it, thank you.
@haydentcem
@haydentcem 2 года назад
@@NicholasBlack I learned about it from TED-Ed’s video called History vs Genghis Khan
@muhammadeisa1459
@muhammadeisa1459 2 года назад
@@haydentcem yeah, his name is Chingis Han but Persian scholars translated his name as Changez Khan in Persian and when Western scholars translated that into their languages, they got Genghis Khan. Went from Chinngis Han in Mongolian to Changez Khan in Persian to Genghis Khan in Western languages.
@haydentcem
@haydentcem 2 года назад
@@muhammadeisa1459 I see, interesting!
@andtheywereroommates
@andtheywereroommates 2 года назад
Idk how anyone thinks this is real. “My DNA is from krypton heheh”
@kristenl2367
@kristenl2367 2 года назад
Great video Nick. I agree with all of your criticisms. There is a lot of misrepresentation of the advancements in genetic science as well as what is possible period. As someone who has been studying my genealogy for awhile I understand these limitations and have traced what I can through records. I'm also interested in studying anthropology and migration patterns, so I did decide to have myself tested to see if it matches my work thus far/hunches about what lies just beyond the end of the paper trail. I'm Canadian, but all of my grandparents and great-grandparents have immigrated within less than 100 years, namely following the world wars. Some of my family members were named after the family they left behind to remember them by. They didn't know if they'd ever get a chance to go back home. Many of my family have gone back in recent years, and it's incredible how much they remember. Those family members who went there have since passed away, and I'd like the chance to reconnect myself. In this sense, DNA testing can be a useful tool if you understand it's limitations, like its sample pool. If you look at the potential regions from Ancestry for example, they have Ireland matches down to the county... because they're based in Ireland. African and Asian regions on the other hand is far more limited, through bias and likely access to samples. However, if you understand these will only be able to give you generalized regions (which is all they *can* do) and direct genetic matches, it could be a good confirmation for many people if they have other sources of information to back it up. Whether as an opportunity to reconnect, imagine the past, or for peace of mind. There are definitely people who take it to see what comes up, however small the percentage, to claim connection to something they have little to no relation with. It can get very weird very fast. Anyways, tangent aside, great conversation Nick! Love the hair.
@sprucesoultree3833
@sprucesoultree3833 2 года назад
I've been saying this for years, it's impossible to get nearly that much information from just a small sample of spit
@rnelson1415
@rnelson1415 2 года назад
I'm biracial. My mom (for some reason) thought it'd be a great idea to get these tests for her and my dad. Big shocker, she's vaguely European and my dad descended from somewhere in west Africa. 100% predictable, and there really wasn't a point. None of us care to try to engage with our ancestry. All we know is the US. Being half white and half black doesn't mean anything to me. I'm not as dark as many black people but in the US, blackness is the first thing one would reasonably assume of me. I don't consider myself European or African American. I'm every bit as American as anyone else.
@nizhoni3339
@nizhoni3339 Год назад
i saw this video and just HAD to say that being an indigenous person, many people with indigenous blood don't have our heritages show up on things like this. because of how little these things actually work and how little the scientists who make them actually work with indigenous people and genealogy, a lot of the time our heritages don't appear and if they do its vague at best (like saying "oh you have blood from indigenous people in the appalachains"). and tribal nations, when accepting new citizens do NOT accept people who found "native american" on their DNA test as reasons to give them indian status. they have to actually have pictures of family members and proof that they were parts of those nations or at least descended from it.
@nizhoni3339
@nizhoni3339 Год назад
and the whole point about white americans not engaging with their genetic cultures is sooo real. i am mixed, and i have a lot of welsh and irish in me. i don't claim irish as a culture because i don't engage with irish culture much. but i am welsh. i speak welsh. in my opinion, most of my physical features can be found in most other welsh people. i have been told i cannot claim celtic identity by people just because i have an american accent. strange stuff.
@ghostlyechoes401
@ghostlyechoes401 2 года назад
Well this fleshes out my argument I was trying to make to my mother. I mean, I was just doing it from the historical lens, as some of the areas in her test should have had dna spanning across a much larger area because of what groups of peoples interacted in that area for hundreds of years. It just didn’t add up in my head
@emmabluu
@emmabluu 2 года назад
i’m german american 50% because my mom is fully german cause small farming communities in Iowa and if it wasn’t for assimilation i would be fluent in both german and english right now
@emmabluu
@emmabluu 2 года назад
there also may have been some inbreeding going on which made so i could be 50% german and that literally disgusts me
@sydneyboag6620
@sydneyboag6620 2 года назад
Nick, loving the hair!
@megangwilliam5343
@megangwilliam5343 2 года назад
My family doesn’t do the dna thing, because we do the other side of ancestry, family trees. My family tree has been built out on both sides to the late 1700s so we know our ethnicity pretty accurately, but my favorite part is learning about how the cultures associated with the ethnicities impacted my ancestors lives. We are getting our dogs dna tested though, we want to know what my tiny mutt really is
@apolop.r.4325
@apolop.r.4325 2 года назад
yessss I've been waiting for this one!! love it 💕
@belindyyyyyyy2
@belindyyyyyyy2 2 года назад
they would always have these ancestry days at school where you bring in a food for the country you’re from and it’s like my family is from america. it would be much more interesting for me to bring in a recipe that developed from my dads side in mining town in appalachia or a pennsylvania deutsch recipe from my moms side that they passed down. our history here is something that we are more connected to, and i feel like it would be so interesting than bringing in a german recipe that my grandmom has never made for me.
@NamelessAidan
@NamelessAidan 2 года назад
I'm an American who also came from a closed adoption. I know next to nothing about my birth family, so I've often been curious to try these tests to see if I can find out something despite the fact they aren't 100% reliable. At the end of the day I'm a white Texan, that was my cultural upbringing. But knowing absolutely nothing about my biological family including any possible genetic health risks is different than just being bored with my cultural identity or whatever.
@Antonio-rh6np
@Antonio-rh6np 2 года назад
Ancestry tests are accurate. I’m Puerto Rican and Irish, and that’s exactly what it told me I was. All I did was give them my spit. If they weren’t accurate at all, everyone would be getting wild crazy and inaccurate results. Almost everyone gets what they were expecting 🤷
@thhxxxx6455
@thhxxxx6455 2 года назад
Hey, I think you're making a good point in this video. However, be careful with statements like "race is about phenotype", as Jewish people in Germany were labeled Jewish due to their ancestry, not because of the way they looked like. Some had zero connection to the actual culture. And whilst Jewish people have the rule that in order to be Jewish, your mother must be Jewish, Germans labeled people as Jews if they had a Jewish parent (they made categories: "Jews", "Half-Jews", "Quarter-Jews"). When it comes to antisemitism, your statement about phenotypes is wrong, and I feel like one has to consider that.
@leif7999
@leif7999 2 года назад
The fact that I got an ad for an ancestry test for this video 💀 Also you kinda look like a surfer dude who plays guitar in a good way
@liamhodgson
@liamhodgson 2 года назад
“Bold statements only on this channel “
@emma-janeulmer438
@emma-janeulmer438 2 года назад
Yeah, the only ethnicity I have any connection to other than "Canadian" is Dutch, and that's because I have a very recent ancestor (my grandmother) immigrate to Canada from the Netherlands, and I've been raised with some of the culture. If I didn't have anything like that, I would just be White Canadian
@byefido
@byefido 2 года назад
I fcking love this channel
@scribbleurselfoutlolz2380
@scribbleurselfoutlolz2380 2 года назад
i’ve always thought this. my moms side is fully irish, maybe a little british and scottish throw in there and my dad’s side SHOULD be mainly puerto rican and a little spanish. my papa’s family was considered to be of spanish decent but were “traveling merchants” so theres alot of other european countries in my dads DNA test results. (my nana was adpoted but she was fully puerto rican) so one would assume, my dads atleast 70-80% hispanic and 20-25% european. nope, my dads DNA comes back as less than 30% puerto rican and spanish, makes no sesne. i’ve always said i’m half irish/half puerto rican. idgaf about test results or percentages, i’m is irish and puerto rican. it’s so stupid bc u don’t need excat numbers to know ur culture. and my dad agrees with it! he’s always denied being hipsanic but it’s a beautiful culture he should celebrate.
@lahlybird895
@lahlybird895 2 года назад
Shooting bald eagles is illegal
@applepatronum4934
@applepatronum4934 2 года назад
Wow, haven't seen the glasses in a while, makes me remember the old times
@nyanshadow4491
@nyanshadow4491 2 года назад
while i generally agree with your points, i feel that there is a difference between claiming a certain race and claiming a certain culture. it appears in your critiques towards people who've decided to use *genetics* testing as a merit (to claim a race), that there is a bias towards the cultural aspect of ethnicity. perhaps, you believe that culture holds more weight than race -- you might say, 'at the end of the day, we are all humans; we are all essentially the same.' assuming that this is your sentiment, then, to the nearest degree, i agree with that sentiment. however, i don't believe that this view is mutually exclusive with the notion that those who test for race are 'problematic.' if it were me, and i were, for example, 40% italian, i would claim that i'm italian without prefacing the 'genetically' part; the cultural aspect of race wouldn't cross my mind and that claim would have next-to-no attachment to my ego. clearly, not all of us are on the same page... however, that doesn't make us 'idiots' or 'problematic.' there are often many different angles and sides to any one object, and, what's true to any one person is entirely dependent on their logic in tandem with the information in which they see. as someone who comes from a native american family who worries about the effects of caffeine and alcohol as well as weight-gain -- because we're eskimos, and, thusly, are genetically predisposed to gain weight and be sensitive to the effects of alcohol and caffeine (and many other things) -- when i think about race, it tends to be quite scientific; with focus on the correlation between race and genetic predisposition. the potential for this 'focus' to be problematic doesn't excuse the truth that we're not all exactly the same. i don't believe that this 'truth' is problematic or need be problematic, and, sincerely, i question the morals of those who attempt to argue that we're all the same and believe the idea in-of-itself -- we're not all-the-same -- is inherently harmful. am i the only one afraid of such black-and-white thinking? are we not all sentient beings known as humans?
@orlykornstein3775
@orlykornstein3775 2 года назад
I think sometimes people say that they are part of the group that they get on this test because they want to feel more of a connection to their ancestry and heritage, not necessarily because they want to be described as Italian or something
@anthonypiranio
@anthonypiranio Год назад
Me it has nothing to do with a test my piece of shit bio dad is half Italian not from a test just family knowledge but I am American white but I still have Italian in my family and could've had a connection to that culture.
@liam.is.online5709
@liam.is.online5709 2 года назад
They can also double as an accidental paternity test! My family’s experience can confirm.
@cosmic_rain4017
@cosmic_rain4017 2 года назад
I have always been so fascinated with different cultures and I really want to partake in them but I think that’s cultural appropriation, which is not what I want so I think I may do one of these so I can learn about whatever region I get (which is probably just Britain, pretty much everyone I’ve seen do a video on this is like at least 40% English) even if it’s not accurate that way it’s at least a little justified
@bookishgia
@bookishgia 2 года назад
I did a 23&me a few years ago; for me it was just a fun thing to know. My biological father did reject me though - in my teens he claimed I was another man's daughter, so seeing the 23&me results show that there was no way I shared ancestry with that "other man" was comforting even if we already knew the truth. I am an anthropologist, though, and I think another reason why these ancestry tests give me so much pause is the fact that so many people are unable to trace their ancestry even on paper. Due to diaspora, the impact of slavery, genocide, etc., there are innumerable groups that cannot trace their ancestry at all, much less have a company trace it for them, because those groups have been disrupted and erased from the world's genealogy. There is a very small modern group to sample in those cases, if any at all. Being able to trace your ancestry back numerous generations (I'd say more than 4) is a privilege held by those who haven't experienced systemic hardship and/or erasure.
@reay1864
@reay1864 2 года назад
the dna tests are definitely not accurate but i do think ancestry can be pretty cool if you look at their births and marriages documentation side of things. my uncle really likes it and has managed to make quite an impressive family tree from looking at those. that side of my family likes that kinda thing tho cause they *were* landed gentry a while back and yk how that lot is lmao
@danic2514
@danic2514 2 года назад
Problem for someone with my family background is that I have a hard time finding any family records for mine because of our immigrant heritage
@complicatednailogical3901
@complicatednailogical3901 2 года назад
I always saw it as weird to send your DNA to the government anyway.
@lollidrops9380
@lollidrops9380 2 года назад
I like the new hairstyle Nick
@Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrb
@Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrb 2 года назад
Also there repeatedly has been sketchy stuff with the data security. Like people just freely give out such a huge amount of data to random big corporations. Just gives me weird vibes idk.
@HotDogTimeMachine385
@HotDogTimeMachine385 2 года назад
Why are black people called "african american" and white people are just called "american"? Why are black people from britain called "african american" if they've never been to africa nor america? Why are white people called "caucasian" when people from the Caucaz have darker skin and would be considered people of color? Anyway if black people are "african american" shouldn't white people be "european american"? People's inaccurate obsession with race/color is confusing and pretty dumb.
@serpentscoil326
@serpentscoil326 Год назад
My parents both took DNA from both entities due to my paternal grandmother being adopted and my paternal grandfather not wanting to be involved in my dad's life. Then my bio maternal grandfather passed when my mom was a child. There were odd results. I had similar issues. How it broke down Nordic countries was odd. Like combining a lot on 23&me and making a super specific countries be their own group on Ancestry. My mom came from Guam, so how they broke down CHamoru was different on both test results. So I am not buying into it. Positive is that my dad found his long lost brother. Died on "Go drink some ranch". Most Midwestern thing ever.
@kandijoneko1508
@kandijoneko1508 2 года назад
Really bothers me when Americans say their Irish because they're ancestors were Irish. When you come to Ireland with that mentality we all think you're annoying. If you're the kind of person who would buy shamrock coated junk from whatever gift shop you're at, you're a tourist here, you're not Irish. And that's fine, you can just be an American who wants to see the country their ancestors lived in. But like... if you didn't grow up with the culture, you can't really claim that as your culture. It's not that serious it's just a little irritating. Trust me, Ireland isn't that great, be glad that you're from somewhere else.
@lizziesawyer295
@lizziesawyer295 2 года назад
Any plans to learn more about a particular culture you are reasonably sure about being related to? I'm kinda torn at the moment because I know I had relatives from France and Scotland who came to the U.S. within the last two centuries but I love the Irish language and want to invest time in their culture. But it feels a bit weird to try and connect with a group that I have no historical connection to...
@cryptid_deity
@cryptid_deity 2 года назад
I've seen Irish people encourage others to learn Gaeilge for the sake of preserving the language, so there's no need to feel weird about that! Not saying your feelings are silly - I have started learning Gaeilge a bit and it can feel odd to me, too - but speakers of rare or even endangered languages are generally happy with outside attention for their language :)
@miglek9613
@miglek9613 2 года назад
as a person from another small nation with a semi dying language I seriously doubt anyone would be bothered by you learning about their culture, whether or not you have any connection to it, as long as you actually listen to people who grew up in the culture and respect them potentially not wanting you to partake in certain cultural traditions. If you want to connect to irish culture for starters you can look for a local irish community center and see if they do any workshops for non irish people and such as well as looking at the irish embassy website to see if they have any resources. Obviously, talking to irish people who seem open to educating people is also a good idea but educating people about one's culture can get a bit exhausting so it's best to start with organisations who's goal is to educate
@leafy7081
@leafy7081 2 года назад
Hey nick, what's your thoughts on scihub?
@Soggy_Speggetti
@Soggy_Speggetti 2 года назад
Bruh I got an ancestor tracking thing ad right after clicking on dis vid wtf
@tomfoolery2856
@tomfoolery2856 2 года назад
also like what's the point of clumping countries together when they're seperate countries on their own is it just to make a higher percent so people can show off or..
@kristenl2367
@kristenl2367 2 года назад
It's because many of our modern political borders have only existed within a century or two. Many people from these demographics share the same or similar genetic origins, so they group them together.
@Dark-uk4oz
@Dark-uk4oz 2 года назад
1. switzerland is french, parts of switzerland speak french and are gentically french. 2. 23 and me put german and swiss together, which was 25% 3. acenstry put germany for 14 percent, marking a 10 percent difference 4. northwestern europe had a 20 percent british irish, acenstry had a british irish belgium of 30 percent 5. like france, switzerland and belgium are roughly the same people ethnically and genetically speaking. this accounts for the 10 percent disparity we see earlier All that being said, yeah, the science is very rough and determinant on the ethnic samples they have.
@bellacattart5800
@bellacattart5800 2 года назад
Just a side note, but I just so happened to notice that you always post links in the description boxes to some charities that you care about. No real reason to point this out other than I think it's a really nice thing to do, and it shows how much you care about the minority groups they support! Sorry if this comment wasn't much related to the video, I just thought it was worth mentioning! ^-^
@NekoNihhal
@NekoNihhal 2 года назад
As a Polish I confirm, you look Polish 😤
@shaneswanson-up4fp
@shaneswanson-up4fp 7 месяцев назад
Well I have done ancestry DNA... My mom only wanted to do it because of her curiosity of what the ancestors were, we honestly thought that it was a captain that died a long time ago and been sent off to a watery grave in a lead coffin to the ocean, turns out it was false assumption. Ancestry says that I am part Scottish
@Alice-gr1kb
@Alice-gr1kb 2 года назад
White Americans seem so eager to grab onto whatever scraps of other culture we can supposedly claim, and I’m not sure why. Just enjoy what you have! Like do we just feel like we’re missing something? Or do we not think of our culture as a culture (because it’s what we’re surrounded with) and we decide we “want a culture”? I really don’t get it. I did take one of these tests when i was like 12, and surprise surprise, I’m assorted European. Who could’ve guessed/s? It really wasn’t any sort of revelation, and I don’t feel any urge to pursue those cultures. It’s what my genes say, not what my upbringing and family say. Id rather focus that energy on cultures I could actually claim, like queer culture and Deaf American culture (I’m hard of hearing, but was raised orally, and I’m only able to converse in ASL). They’re things I am, and things I would like to know more about. Like I’m thinking once I’m in college next year that I’ll start looking into the local drag scene where I live, and seeing what’s up, and maybe I’ll try and get closer with the few Deaf people and SODAs I know. Ig tldr, why are us white Americans so obsessed with being some other culture
@grumpykitten126
@grumpykitten126 2 года назад
Omg I love your hairstyle! :O
@sockwasho
@sockwasho 2 года назад
oh god the glasses are back /pos
@alexevenstar3214
@alexevenstar3214 2 года назад
I know that's the tone tag for /positive, but I read it as 'Piece Of Shit' at first lol
@jayson7536
@jayson7536 2 года назад
I got one of these when I was around 13 and I shared my results with my grandma, she was adopted and curious as well. I never knew how problematic they were
@midori9566
@midori9566 2 года назад
My family has many ancestries (Polish, German, Irish, Scottish, Manx) I don't feel connected to any of them really, I don't speak them (Though I've learned a tiny bit of German) Since I grew up in New York my main languages are Spanish and English, as well as some Italian and Portuguese. I feel more connected to the US' Latino culture (Specifically Puerto Rican) and White American culture than any of them.
@shushunk00
@shushunk00 2 года назад
15:09 south asia is just a vague region to be classified as South Asia has the most diverse ethnicity, languages, cultures,people in a subcontinent ,after africa as a continent. i think south Asia is more diverse than the whole European nations combined, the targeted customers of these brands r specifically westerners,so mostly their ancestors came from Europe ,so these brands have classified europe in to multiple groups but not asia or Africa as much as Europe
@bloodrayneito9213
@bloodrayneito9213 2 года назад
"Let's see who have freckles like you!!" 💫Press "X" for doubt.💫
@alexrose20
@alexrose20 2 года назад
a Mexican boy walked up to me and he was like "are you Polish?" 😂
@humbled_bones
@humbled_bones 2 года назад
also ancestry is run/made by mormons so that tells ya something
@muhammadeisa1459
@muhammadeisa1459 2 года назад
Nick, I'm related to Joe.
@orangejuice782
@orangejuice782 2 года назад
omgggg youre a hashtag finnish king now
@HealthyObbsession
@HealthyObbsession 2 года назад
As someone whose mother is adopted in Alaska and biological father dipped when I was 2 in Texas I did 23 & Me because I had no clue about my genealogy we vaguely knew my mom had Native Alaskan roots but we never had a connection with this part of ourselves if that makes any sense Do I think it's 100% true no but it helped me get a general idea about where I come from
@katemedders
@katemedders 2 года назад
oh?
@krabicka
@krabicka 2 года назад
Ha, I'm not white american, I'm Czech (don't cancel me, i really am Czech, living in the Czech Republic)
@anthonypiranio
@anthonypiranio Год назад
I once had a percentage go from 8% to 25% when I used another company 😂🤣
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