Proving Dr. Strange is the most Overrated Hero in Marvel Champions 

Thanks man! Really appreciate your comment and i totally agree. Strange is really strong, but i don’t think it’s crazy for someone to say X hero is stronger (i personally don’t think Strange is the most powerful). Against the most difficult scenarios most heroes will need to build out and like you said many heroes have a better built out board like Venom, Ironheart, and I’d throw Ironman in there being able to control the board with a 7 card handsize. Obviously that’s not the only criteria but there should be an open discussion because Strange isn’t leagues ahead of the rest.

I hear you, but Strange also can’t gather enough damage to burst down Venom Goblin without aspect cards minions aside… Venom Goblin also has tons of symbiote minions

I see what you’re saying, but im not trying to convince anyone that is NOT OP. Several people have said “Strange can defeat most scenarios with 25 blanks” to me directly which made me believe that’s a common sentiment in Marvel Champions. Showing Strange fail against 2 core set heroes with the standard that several other set prove he’s overrated. Still strong, possibly OP, but overrated. I plan on doing a followup video showing how the 25 blank card thing is an established saying in serious conversations.

@@webwarriorfanatic when you say things like "people have said" and in the video description "a big sentiment in MC community" can you actually show some links to other videos, forum posts, whatever where such opinions are actually prevalent? I am fairly certain no person with decent knowledge of the game will go to such extent. It's either someone highly inexperienced in the game talking out of their rear, OR someone is just trolling and using hyperbole. Without some actual proof that very many people are saying Strange can accomplish what you try in the video, I am just going to assume that it's a made up thing for attention. Which, I am not at all against, but let's tell it like it is. What I think is going on is that you maybe have a few friends fooling around and not being serious about Strange either because they are not good at the game or because they are just trolling, and you are making a bigger deal out of it than it is. I also think this would have been better used as some funny challenge content and not masked as a "I am going to be edgy af and go against the allegedly common opinion of the masses" sort of thing. Seems like fighting windmills to me.

@@martintomov7576 you’re completely right and that’s my biggest mistake with this video. In the next video i plan on doing exactly like you said. I won’t use direct messages which are private, but showing public forum posts and I don’t think the comments will be interpreted as hyperbole.

@@webwarriorfanatic looking forward to that video! In the meantime, here is a major take: I think Wolverine and X-23 are overrated. Try defeating a villain without ever attacking with your hero and allies and you will see it is so! :D

@@martintomov7576 lol I’m not ready to take more flak right now. I actually agree with you but this is enough controversy for the year 😂

I really appreciate your comment! And thank you. Yea I’m hoping he becomes more accessible, I’m not sure why it’s become so difficult to get him :/

Appreciate it a lot man! This build has been referred to a lot and i think it’s pretty strong: marvelcdb.com/decklist/view/19722/heroic-clearing-turbo-exalted-super-duper-doctor-strange-1.0 I might have to try Strange again in a different aspect. If i do and make a playthrough, I’ll comment it back here for you :)

Thanks so much! I'm suscribed so I'll be ready to watch it whenever it will be upload. Thanks for being such a kind guy! ❤

@@user-fe8se2wd1m Haha thanks! I’m not 100% sure yet, but if i can figure out a really OP way to use him that also fits with my playstyle I’ll do it. I personally really enjoy playing Strange in ‘Pool :)

No upcoming plans to but im open to revisiting it. And yea i agree SP//dr would do well if she gets built out :)

Thanks for the clarification Andy! I always get confused for when that applies. Like can Cyclops also Tactical Brilliance with 0 threat to grab a tactic card?

That’s a really interesting way to get readies on Wong 😁 i gotta try that out

@@webwarriorfanatic Strange need alleis to chump block. Even if tough, it is pretty hard to keep alive without alleis. I think x-23 with 25 blank cards could be a good test as well. She can block every turn and still be ready in hero turn and get HP back when play identity cards.

@@fernandofete yea I’ve always felt Strange’s survivability to not be great. Seven Rings is amazing, but if it’s not spammed every turn he has no other defense. Good point that X-23 doesn’t need allies. I agree because of her hero ability, but I’ve struggled with her against Venom Goblin/Magneto with a fully built deck

@@webwarriorfanatic Yea, Seven Rings is pretty good in multiplayer or when you have 2 more alleis. Ow I never tried x-23 agains this guys, will be my next match, maybe this can be my first youtube video XD hehehe

@@fernandofete Hey if you do it let me know! I’d definitely check it out :)

Cosmo’s ability has been errata to only affect player decks and the encounter deck

Cosmo is no longer Strange's best friend, they fixed the card in 1.5 rulings

Having control over his invocations definitely makes him strong, but i think he is still overrated!

I couldn’t agree more with what you said. Couldn’t have worded it better myself and i do think Strange is powerful too, just not omega like you said!

Thanks for sharing, Wasteland. You have a very mature approach to the game. I completely agree with what you said about how players should never be shamed and at the end of the day, anyone should be able to express how they feel without getting attacked. I love theme and often try to stick to it, but i always prioritize power and love power rankings content hahaha. Even with basketball for example i just like discussions about the greatest players of all time. I get that it can often have negativity associated with it, but i dream of a day where we can discuss power rankings and disagree with positivity but that’s a much deeper discussion

@@webwarriorfanatic Yeah. I don't have an issue with people discussing power rankings, just for me it's a wasted discussion. I'm going to play what I'm going to play. I also don't have an issue with people building power decks, it's just again not my bag. I think one of the best things about this game is that it is a co-op game, so there's a lot of room for everybody to move around in. I'm glad there are people like you who are pushing the limits of what a hero can do with the given card pool, but I'm also glad there's a place for people who just want to tweak their pre-cons. One of my goals is to start building duo decks that people can throw together for a fun, thematic experience. But that will have to be after the Deadpool & Wolverine movie drops because my friend and I are going to do an MC livestream to celebrate the movie coming out, so I'm working on those decks at the moment.

@@wastelandsniper789 That’s really cool man! I’m subscribed now so I’ll be looking forward to it. Cant wait for that movie and also your game :)

@@webwarriorfanatic We'll actually be doing it on his channel, 2Geeks1Mic. I'll definitely post a link when we have the date for it nailed down.

Thanks for your feedback Oreste! I agree with everything you stated. Glad to hear we’re on the same page yet again :)

I agree with your feelings on Strange although we definitely have been talking to different people haha. I think that’s been the main difference in our experience of this game. I have spoken to several people recently who still tell me that Strange is too strong so they don’t play him, that he’s wayy stronger than Spiderham, and that he can defeat most villains with 25 blanks! I may make a followup video maybe pulling up quotes and covering names of outlandish statements about Strange

@@webwarriorfanatic Holy crap, that's a bold statement. Not even Spider-Ham could defeat just about anyone with 25 blanks. To be fair, as much as I love Spider-Ham, I very rarely use him, because he is indeed too strong for most scenarios. Is he broken strong? Debatable, but he needs some setup at least before he really gets going and still need aspect cards to reach his full potential. Same with Strange, but he has troubles with minion control. A friend of mine absolutely loves Strange and he's not afraid to use him, but pretty much only against really tough scenarios. Now that I said that, I really want to play Spider-Ham again, haha.

@@Kazuchi35 hahaha i totally agree with everything you said. And i love playing Spider-Ham, maybe because he’s so strong but i just feel secured and like I’ll carry my own weight if I’m playing the pig. That’s always a nice feeling to have :)

@@webwarriorfanatic Haha, same! I feel very confident and like to show off and joke around with him. Even some of his effects are made to have fun. I love giving those high fives to my friends and making stupid cartoon pig noises. He's one of the most fun heroes in my book for sure! I swear they made these Web-warriors (including Peter) so much fun. Well, not the biggest fan of Gwen as I said before, but I don't dislike her and a friend of mine really adores her.

@@Kazuchi35 Haha nice! I have a friend who does not allow us to continue Spider-Ham's effect without doing the high fives and voices because it says so on the card so I totally get it. Yeah I love all the web-warriors too... I am a fanatic!

I definitely have a similar opinion to you. Bishop and Cable are two of the strongest heroes in my opinion too. Love those guys!

I really appreciate you sharing your opinion. I also agree that Strange is a fun hero and you’re probably the only other person I’ve seen share the sentiment of wanting the range of variety to be larger in heroes and villains. Not necessarily power creep, but variety when it’s fitting. Magneto can be the strongest hero in the game and have it feel good, or Apocalypse should have been the strongest villain.

Lol i cannot agree or disagree with that. I may have to try it to find out!

I believe some would do better, most would do worse. This isn’t to say Strange isn’t insanely powerful, just that he’s overrated because so many people believe he can defeat even the toughest expert villains with 25 blanks

I’m interested to see who you think might do better! In all fairness I don’t think he is over rated really, one of the best parts about the game is how modular it is and how easy it is to change challenges levels. Every hero has their place, from a friendly neighborhood arachnid to a multiversal man wizard! This was a really fun video!

@@scottb.8882 Thanks 😁 i agree every hero including Strange has their place and modular are an awesome way to mix up to game. Someone mentioned X-23 who doesn’t depend on allies as much because she can defend and ready every turn may do better with 25 blanks. Other heroes that may do better imo are rush artists or guys who prefer their identity specific cards anyways like Wolverine, Deadpool, or Miles. That’s not to say these guys are stronger than Strange, just that they may be better suited for this specific “25 blank cards” challenge.

Think you found a new video series to create lol!

@@scottb.8882 hahaha I’m not sure yet but maybe

Thanks Lime! I agree allies really pop Strange off. I played an all ally leadership deck with him against expert Venom Goblin and barely got enough damage to finish him. Strange is also missing big damage unless he can Winds into Bands

Exactly! Im open to being wrong, and it would be easy. Any gameplay showing Strange defeat Venom Goblin with 25 blanks would prove he’s not overrated. I really appreciate your comments solomarvelchampion!

@@webwarriorfanatic I'm also not saying it CAN'T be done, but I don't think it can be done consistently.

@@solomarvelchampion I’m in the boat that it can’t be done hahaha but i won’t know for sure until it’s proven 🤣

Thank you for the kind words! I always appreciate hearing from you, Kyle

I respect your opinion but i don’t agree. You can be powerful and still be overrated. I’ve had several conversations on different forums and in real life where people have told me that Strange plays on auto-pilot, that he trivializes Marvel Champions, and that he’s leagues above every other hero. He’s not any of those things and if that’s the perception around him then he is being overrated. I think this is an important discussion because I’ve talked to many players who have told me they played Strange and wasn’t able to easily defeat every villain so they questioned if they’re doing something wrong or if they’re bad at the game.

@@webwarriorfanatic thanks for the quick answer. You seems like a good player and a polite man and I love your content. But I don't have to be as polite as you, so I will say it : yes most people are bad and casual. It's rather easy with Strange to beat most of the villains, regardless of the difficulty. Like I said, most people play Marvel Champions for the casual thematic fun experience and that okay. They don't have to grind and suffer. I barely see any video on youtube with Expert 2/Standard 2 or Heroic. DescryGaming was one of the few doing them and he also have Doc Strange above of the curve. He even had custom rules to balance him out. (The custom rules that I saw, and that make way more sense than the 25 blank cards was to deal yourself an encounter cards every time you go thought your incantation deck.) So yeah if you ask me, I will say, he trivializes most villains. I won't say I can beat Ronan on standard 2/expert 2 with 25 blank cards, but I think it's probably possible against some of the easier villains. So will every one with Doc Strange beat any villains on any difficulty no ? Will he trivializes the game for the better player ? Yes. You play Lorcana too. It's the same in any TCG. Give the best meta game to a random player. He won't win any National championship with it. But give it to the best player and ask him to go play random player at the weekly casual night. The casual players won't like it, I can tell you that much.

@@ppnoir haha i appreciate the honesty forsure. I’m a huge fan of Descry and i understand his houserules but he has multiple losses with 2 handed Dr. Strange albeit playing standard 2. I’ve watched almost all of his games and when he plays Strange, there’s is no noticeable difference in power when he’s playing other heroes, at least in my opinion. I also have Strange playthrough on my channel and although i don’t have the most experience with him, I’ve struggled compared to a lot of other heroes!

​@@webwarriorfanatici would be curious to see the win rate %. No deck can win 100% of time on expert 2. Surge feast and other stuff will happens, but i would bet that if we try a hundred time ronan expert 2, doctor strange will come up ahead. Like we might not notice big difference in play on 1 game alone, but the overall power level will in the end give him the edge. This morning i was playing sandman s2/e2 with spider ham and sp/dr and it took me 8 time to beat it. It might look bad but i am sure hulk would have taken me more time haha. Have a good day sir !

@@ppnoir i completely agree! I’m just making the case that Strange isn’t leagues above Spider-Ham or Cable. In fact, i think Ham is stronger than Strange. For the overrated conversation, an example is Michael Jordan can be the best basketball player all time, but if you say MJ can beat a team of Curry, LeBron, KD 1v3 that’s overrating him because he can’t guard 3 players by himself!

lol respect. Cyclops is the goat xmen for me

@webwarriorfanatic cyclops is actually cracked. I have never had a hard game with him. Xmen of any aspect and all the other basic broken xem support like utopia then in leadership uncanny xmen

I totally agree Strange is very strong and im impressed with his showing against Klaw as well. Appreciate your comment guarism0 🙏

I couldn’t agree more man! Thanks for sharing your controversial opinion with me haha 🤝🤝

lol glad you enjoyed it man!

Hahaha thanks Sven. I wasn’t planning on being able to pull that one off, but i honestly wasn’t sure what to expect with the Klaw match