Koba. He is considered one of the best movie villains of the century. You can see how close he and Caesar were at the start of Dawn and at the same time, understand why he took the actions he did to betray Caesar during the course of the movie. He was fantastic! Proximus Caesar was cool but in my opinion, he was introduced too late to be an effective villain in the movie.
Yeah I get where you're coming from for sure. There was a good concept there with Proximus but the late introduction was something that went against him for sure
@@BrainPilot Agreed. If Proximus had probably stumbled onto the Eagle Clan with his clan in the first act and had some initial conflict with the elders, I feel like that would have helped to elevate him as a villain.
For me the moment that really encapsulates Proximus' character is his reaction to Mae shooting one of his henchmen dead in front of him. His first response isn't to back off in fear, or grieve for his friend, it's to ask her if she found any more guns in the bunker.
Both Koba and Proximus Caesar were interesting villains. Koba's road to villainy had more build-up over the course of two films and looked absolutely psychotic once he went full villain. Proximus had very little build up and no back-ground story to validate him being evil besides his hunger for power and might have entered the story too late. On the other hand, Proximus also gave the impression of being overexcited and an overload of child-like wonder of the world in his own twisted way which made him somewhat sympathetic in my eyes. It could have easily happen that at some point of the story, Proximus realizes that his ambitions might have been misguided and become an ally to Noa.
In my opinion, if we compare these villains to tdk villains, Koba would be Joker, while Proximus would be Bane. Koba challenges the main character's moral and ethics (like Joker in tdk), while Proximus has his own purpose and creates his own moral and ethics, but it's not suitable with main character's moral and ethics, that's why he becomes main character's adversary. Both of them are great, but I would prefer Koba over Proximus
KOBA ❤❤❤❤ Especially love the scene where he repeatedly says "human work" while showing his scars - it's a very powerful and emotional moment. I also really enjoyed the Proximus and hope he makes a return in future installments of the franchise with a bad ass scar.
Koba hands down. With Koba, we get a three movie arc. We see where he starts in Rise, we get an entire movie of him being a villain in Dawn, and then we get the personal and big picture fallout of his actions in War. Twice he set the destiny of all characters into motion, once when he released the virus, and once when he ruined the only chance to build peaceful relationship between humans and apes. Even at his worst, you get where he comes from, and even Caesar understands and pities him, despite needing to stop him.
Yeah, and turns of favorite villain Koba is still my favorite villain of the franchise, ruthless, cunning and more intimidating. And yeah, he does look smaller than Proximaus and turns of feats. I do think that process is more powerful than his ancestor because he’s huge for a Bonobo.
I think proximus can come back scarred up from the fall and the eagle attacks and look as frightening or nearly as frightening as koba especially due to how big he is. If they make him lose a little fur due to stress anger etc to show how muscular he is would be a nice touch he's clearly a gigantic bonobo he's not supposed to be bigger than a chimp but he rivals a gorilla in height or exceeds them dudes about 6 feet ffs, that's one giant bonobo. Also little known fact but male bonobos are nearly (2.8 to be exact) 3 times more aggressive than their chimp counterparts, (I guess the thing about bonobos being peaceful applies to mainly the females or trained young ones perhaps are safer than chimps to adults maybe I dunno) but in the animal kingdom, it makes sense for Koba and Proximus to have violence in their nature's. But proximus is clever.. So was Koba.. Very clever actually.. To shoot Caeser and then blame it on the humans was genius... He's damn unlucky humans helped Caeser back to full health and he wasn't fucking about this time, he extended his hand to be saved, and Caeser saw no good left in him... He would always betray him.. So he had to go. It was sad in a way because he had such a great reason for being the way he was.. His hatred was well placed, humans done him so dirty all his life.. Proximus on the other hand, he actually secretly admires humans, and wants the apes to achieve civilisation faster becuase of his teachings and thirst for knowledge, using the story of Caeser in a religious cult like manner to execute what he seems fit and hide it under the guise of 'Caeser law'.. To which he took on the aspect of 'apes together strong' but not the 'ape not kill ape' law.. Just another parallel about how people only read and interpret what they want even of religion or historical facts and they have their own views on the message or truth, and it being told and added onto and misconstrued over the generations being embellished and changed so much from the original meaning, just like religion, or any ideology or belief for that matter. He's using it like the pope, well more like a king pope, but not in a good way, to control the masses, he knows what he's doing, he wants apes to surpass humans. And they do if you watched the older movies. I hope Proximus returns as he's a fucking fantastic villain Kevin Durand is amazing. He's the start of their 'evolution' into what they eventually become later on.
Koba has been developed since Rise for being experimented by the humans and even has scar on his eye. His motivation make sense and we understand why he hates humans so much. Meanwhile, Proximus is introduced too late and he's just being Caesar's fan boy.
@@BrainPilot Proximus is interesting to me cause we really haven’t seen much of ab Ape who enslaves and wages war on other Apes, Koba killed his own people but it was mostly due to opposition not warfare. I think Proximus is interesting cause he’s the most unique villain in the POA franchise
I don't see either Koba or Proximus as villains. I think Caesar's affinity for humans, who want to see apes dead and human society revitalized, is foolish. Noah, the protag of Kingdom, aids a human in flooding Proximus' settlement. Possibly drowning dozens, if not hundreds, of apes. I do agree that Koba is a better character in many aspects.
