Really hoping you get to test the CAT WB 718 and Ti. These are short (5.5") cans that weigh almost nothing. The weight for Titanium is 6.9 oz and for Inconel is 12.8 oz. These are supposed to be Hux back pressure low and have that deep low sound that competes with the best of them. I would love to see this silencer up against this Vent 3! THANK YOU for making this channel and doing the video's the way that you are. The community needed this!!
Thank you so much for your positive feedback and support. It really does mean the world to us. We would definitely like to get some of their suppressors on the channel, but they’re not responding to us, like at all.
@@Ertactical You're gonna have to buy some from silencer shop or other dealers. CAT is not a suppressor company, these guys are engineers that work at an R&D company and make suppressors in their spare time for Tier 1 units. They really aren't into marketing by sending guys product to review.
Pewscience has tested both cans. The vent performs better than WB on a shorter barrel than the wb was tested with. The CAT titanium does have a really low heat rating though
@@TheMikeshannon The WB and the Vent 3 are two different sub categories of cans. The WB is a K can while the Vent is a full size can. The WB also weighs and costs significantly less than the Vent 3. The Vent 3 is only a 1.6 points higher than the WB. There’s a lot of other factors as well that should be taken into consideration.
THIS...THIS is what we are looking for! Real world reviews in real world scenarios. Don't get me wrong, i love Jay's (Pew Science) reviews, but range testing, comparisons & conversations during the test tossing the ball back & forth. EXCELLENT WORK fellas! Keep up the great work! Excited to see the channel explode into great & GREATER things! God bless sir!
Thank you again sir. Please Please please stay financially untethered to these companies so that your videos and opinions are honest base solely on the performance of the can. Thanks again bro
Thank you for your positive comments and support. It really does mean a lot to us. We are considering a few sponsorships, but they would be ammunition and otherwise. We will not pair with any silence or manufacturer in order to do exactly what you said. Thank you again.
My biggest concern would be service life. Titanium baffles already don't last as long as stainless or inconel, and having the whole thing be 3D printed and porous seems like a good recipe for it to start eroding holes in itself in 3k rounds.
That’s a good point! We will put this one and several other titanium through many more test to come. If we find fail points, we will definitely report back.
We have run the same set of suppressors at our range events for the last year. We have put them to the test while maintaining the cleaning procedures outlined on our website. They are still high functioning and receiving good feedback.
@@ptrindustriesReally? This guy's other video has a comment from a guy saying the can was shooting "pea sized" bits back at him. Wouldn't be the first time PTR lied to sell garbage to somebody.
Great job and we really appreciate side-by-side comparisons. It's refreshing to see unbiased videos. Keep up the good work. I shot these PTR suppressors at a few events. Game changers.
This was such a great video! Can't wait to see you test even more of the claimed super quiet low backpressure suppressors. 3d printing has really taken the suppressor world by storm and we're seeing some really amazing things come out of it. Can't wait to see what the next video is!
Thank you so much for your positive feedback and support. It really does mean a lot to us. Yes there’s a lot of people claiming some pretty impressive things. I’m really surprised that PTR was able to deliver so many of their promises. More videos to come.
PTR and CAT, are the new kings of the suppressor world! I would definitely love to see these two go head to head! Fantastic, real world, non-bias review! Subscribed, and looking forward to much more!!!! I would like to see the PTR against the Mob from CAT
Well, we have the PTR in jail right now and hopefully CAT will want to play with us soon. The more subscribers we get, the more manufacturers take notice. Thanks for the suggestion and we appreciate your support 🍻
@@SilencerSyndicateJay, from Pew Science, ranked this MUCH higher (42.5) than the CAT WB (35) on a Mk 18 (10.3”) He has yet to rate it on an M4 length barrel, but, I would expect it to be rated somewhere between 45-50 on a 16” That’s amazing for a 5.56 can!!!!!!
Its actually quite nice when a company promises the moon and actually delivers. Well provided the Vent 1 for 7.62 is just as good, its going to get added to the "next purchase" list. EDIT: The sole thing that makes me not dead set is still unfortunately the price but to be fair im not a rich man either so $1500 to some people is alot but not crazy where I can barely justify that at this point.
I prefer these longer videos as the shorter ones. Not saying every video has to be long but I enjoy suppressor content so much that I do prefer the long versions lol! Awesome video Rob!
Thanks for your feedback and support! We'll try to keep mixing in occasional long videos. It's many hours of work, but our subscribers make it more feasible as we grow.
Thank you, we did chat for a while about going over the tent to 11 minute window and decided that this video had too much to cover in such a short period of time. We’re happy to see that people are watching the video in its entirety. Thank you for your positive feedback and support, more to come.
Great video yet again. I've shot the PTR products and each of the Vent suppressors and they are awesome. Also talked to Bill and his team at a view different events and they are the kind of people I like to support. Now, after seeing this video, I'm finally sold as well. I'll never invest in another can that isn't high flow again either.
I've had the Vent 2 since March and it's awesome. Full auto rated and on my 9mm carbine it feels like home. Great review, you earned my sub so keep up the good work!
It's definitely great to see new ideas making their way into the suppressor market. Hopefully, the reduced wait times and consumer demand will continue pushing real innovation in suppressors. Thanks for watching 🍻
Thank you for the positive feedback and support, this is their first year making Suppressors and that’s a big price point for the first year. Hopefully this video brought clarity to their price point and their product. Thank you for your positive feedback and support.
Awesome video and my biggest factor is warranty and customer service. If a company gives customers a hard time, I’m out no matter how good their products are.
Totally agree with you. We need to do a video on this exact topic, warranty, and customer service. It’s a great topic and we’re limited dark experience with it.
@@Ertactical I agree with you on loving the Nomad L because my buddy has one and it’s awesome. I almost got one but saw too many issues with customer service on people having with them so that lead me away from dead air over all. Sadly I wanted a Nomad L but if their warranty and service is slow and crappy, I’m out and went to other brands.
Always blows my mind when companies have used car salesmen pitching their products.. almost turns me off from what in this case seems like a solid product.
I will say this about this review; The guy from PTR actually mentioned CLR for cleaning. Where as CAT wants you to buy their proprietary CAT cleaning solution, for $150. Unless I'm mistaken, they are similar in the 3D design and both made of Titanium. I think that's pretty cool of PTR! As per your original question, I would have to say yes! Definitely worth it
We’ve heard a lot about them and we keep reach out to them to try to get our hands on some for testing and they don’t respond to us. We would really like to get her hands on and figure out what they’re all about.
@@Ertactical honestly, I think their an offshoot of CGS. I just bought their rimfire “Short Round” Hopefully will have it in my hands either this week or next. I’m surprised PTR hasn’t ventured into the rimfire world yet.
Great video!! I got to handle the Vents, and they are beautiful cans, but the price makes it a no-go for me. Which is a bummer because I like the vent 2 a lot.
Yeah, they are definitely priced outside many budgets. The PTR is a great can, but thankfully there are new players coming into the market every day with the rise in popularity of suppressors. I'm sure we'll see lots of competition on price, technology and features as time goes on.
@@Ertactical You're welcome! I'm new to your channel, but it's because you're doing things different and testing things that most other popular channels don't or won't go near, or attempt to do. Keep it up! I'll keep watching!
Congrats on the 100 K subscriptions. Would love to see a review of the PTR vent 1 for those of us that have a 7.62 x 39 and a 5.56 rifle as well. Can it serve dual purpose for both rifles? Would also like to see if some of the 5.56 suppressors could do double duty on a 5.7 x 28 pistol. Just trying to see how we can get the most bang for our buck and what would the trade offs be for a multi-role suppressor. Loving the content and how this channel is growing!
We did get to shoot their 30 caliber suppressor. But they are not available for purchase. They offered us an opportunity to be front of the line to get one. To be honest part of me wants one in part of me doesn’t. I’d like to do a lot more testing before I say it’s worth the price point.
@@Ertactical Thanks for the update - I have to say that at 1,500 dollars it’s almost worth getting separate suppressors, 1 for the AR and another for the AK. Would love to which suppressor provides low back pressure, good sound reduction and sells for less than 1K.
After taxes and stamp you'll $1800+ PTR really pushing it on this one. Too many great cans in the 800-1000 range and amazing value cans at the 400-800 range. its only "Full-Auto Capable" while the 9mm rating shows what the cans real limits might look like "120 Rounds (full auto) - 10 Minute cool down 9MM" unless you're getting a less durable 9mm suppressor for the same price as their 556/762. Either way really enjoying your long format videos.
That was totally our thoughts, way too high of a price point to be in that space. Also for the first year making Suppressors. We are pleasantly surprised with the results we found. Is it worth the $1500? That’s up to the individual. I’m glad you enjoyed the format, we debated for sometime over trying to compress it into the normal 12 minutes or letting it go long. I think let it go. Long gave the view as much more insight to what we were doing.thank you again for your feedback
Another video well done. I don't have the disposable income to purchase such a high end can, so I gotta stick with the blue collar cans from YHM and Griffin Armament.
....and here it is!.. This is the video I was waiting for. I'm glad to see it performed good and that is a feat within itself considering it's their first suppressor. This being said, I do have some reservations mainly since it's their first and we all know how common issues usually are on initial products. The other concern is on the proprietary PIP. Most know that Titanium does have some amazing properties but unfortunately its not the best in erosion, this said I wonder how this foam like, porous formed Ti would hold up to abusing cycles or FA schedules. This basic comparison does show a positive outlook on this newcomer but I'm just wondering on long term wear & warranty. Although Bill was a great salesman, we didn't get any warranty nor factory servicing information. In retrospect, price & performance I'll take the 7.62 FLOW Ti. Thank you for this initial review guys! Great job..👏 EDIT: I covered my opinions on the rifle cans. As mentioned, 9mm platforms don't usually suffer from back pressures, as gas operated intermediate cartridge platforms do. The inflated price of hi-tech 3-D printed, Ti LBP is an advantage, I don't think the costs measures to these advantages. it's hard to justify $1500 for a pistol cartridge tube, that does not blow the competition out of the water. For less than half the price, you have options with similar performance like the Omega 9K. Again... this is just my perspective.. 😉
These videos are coming out with perfect timing. Just finished building my 11.5 sbr and highly vested in low back pressure suppressors for it. Keep up the good work. On a side note have you heard anything about the velos k?
Thanks again for the great videos. I like that you did subjective sound comparison, something I haven't noticed on your other videos. Unfortunately for me barrier into the suppressor world is cost. It would be great if you could test some lower cost options like the Aero Precision to see how well they measures up.
Honestly the car salesman turns me off a little more than the price point. Titanium isn't necessarily known for hard use either. All that being said it's always good to see another player in this space. I'm sure they'll provide more innovation as time passes.
RC3 was just tested by PewScience last week and was given one of the worst overall ratings for suppression. You could literally buy almost any other can on the market and you would have better suppression. If you must have a Surefire can, RC2 is still king.
I think you brought up a good video content. As someone who owns lots of suppressors, a cleaning vid would be good. Do you different techniques on different ones? What solutions work best? How to protect the finish so it goes in black the the day you bought, but comes out shiny polished? Let's see how you maintain your favorite Nomad 30.
There are many people buying cans that cost more than this one. Like the RC3, most all 50 BMG cans, several 338 cans a few sig cans, CGS has several, rugged Alaskan 360 Ti. Really it more of a good or bad fit. I was blown away with this price for a 556 can but it’s a really good can. Worth 1500? That’s up to you 😊
With tax stamp I paid almost $1500 for my latest can. Still in ATF jail so I can't comment yet but yes any can north of $1000 excluding tax stamp is pricey.
Pew Science has only tested the Nomad-L on 308 bolt gun, not 5.56 on either barrel length. I'd be curious to see the Nomad's results for sure. But the sales rep was not entirely incorrect; the measurements gathered by Pew Science for the Vent3 on the 10.3" MK18 are quieter than even the CAT WB is on a 14.5", making it the quietest (least damaging) suppressor in the 556 test matrix thus far. As far as hearing damage risk comparison; Nomad-L on 20" 308 bolt gun is 21.3 points quieter at the shooter's ear and 9.4 points quieter overall than the Vent is on the 10.3" Mk18. Largely due to it being a bolt action and having the endcap further away from the shooter's head. But the Vent on a short barrel semi auto getting that close to a top performing bolt gun suppressor like the Nomad is very impressive. Cracking the 40 zone in muzzle suppression on the MK18 has yet to be done by any other suppressor. Makes me excited for the growth of the suppression industry. Pew Science has improved customer knowledge and created a better frame of reference to better quantify performance than simply decibel meters designed for steady state noise. This new frame of reference showcases the benefits of advanced technology, which created a market for people to consider buying advanced tech instead of the same old omega baffle ripoffs that we've been fed for years.
That would be a great video! We keep reaching out to Kat and they have not responded to us. As we continue to grow our following, we might have a better position to ask again.
We will def need to circle back and so a 9mm vid. got lots more to do on 556 and other rifle cals first. Thanks for your positive feedback and comments.
Just a head up: I feel like this "foam 3d printed technology" is going to get copied almost immediately. Most 3d printed suppressors are made using DMLS (or other more expensive) 3d printers all costing in the $10s of thousands hence the reason I don't have any experience with that exact type of 3d printer but I do own several 3d printers both FDM and DLP (the 2 most common types which use plastic and UV cure resin respectively) and while they all use totally different technology the making of foam type stuff on FDM printers happens accidentally all the time and it can be programmed to do it they just almost never print metals because its better to do it with DMLS typically and most people don't even know you can print metal on FDM printers if you use a very special type of material and then sinter it aka throw it in a very powerful special high temp oven. DMLS 3d printers work way differently and basically have a bed of metal powder and a laser melts a design into that layer on the bed of powder then the machine pushes another layer on top of it and the process repeats over and over again until you have a mostly finished part then you do the sintering and post processing and all that. In other words I can think of a couple ways the "3d printed foam" could probably be done and I'm no expert so if the suppressor really is that good then you can bet other manufacturers are already working on copying it and testing different ways to do so and I don't think it's probably as hard to make or do as they make it seem. Also I feel like it could be done on a FDM 3d printer too in which case I'd know exactly how they do it and exactly why the cost is as high as it is because the type of FDM material you'd use is expensive as hell last time I checked and again with that type of printer it should be very easy to recreate they would just probably have to do even more post processing work than DMLS printed parts which its usually the other way around. Anyway its all complicated and props to them for the ingenuity and I hope they make some good money if it is that good but I wouldn't count on that being the only one to use that "technology" for very long and with competition comes price drops
I have a suggestion of two different videos. 1. Tough, durable go to war 556 can. 2. 556 can for no barrel length restriction. Check out Rugged and Maxim.
@@Ertactical Sorry for dumping on you but I have two more. 1. Test Witt Machine Canooter, Big Body tu tu, Mod 1 556. 2. Run that winner up against the Rex Silentium Ultra Low Back pressure 556.
There are SO DAMN MANY OPTIONS ! I've been looking and learning and still know nothing, I was hoping to have just one that can do 556 and 300BLK by changing mount and end cap . The 300BLK is the most difficult to tune in the back pressure for sub's I may have to have a dedicated can for that , which means I'd have to have two one for each. Death air sand man L, or Omega 36M , YHM 30 , HUXWRKS . Cost - sound - weight each are important.
yea its more of a conversation than a simple recommendation but we will do our best to get good info out there to help. Thank you for the kind words and support!
I wish you put a bore scope down these suppressors to see the design difference. Sure that isn’t a cross sectional view but at least it would be a neat data point.
That’s a great idea! We’d have to make sure we have permission to do that. Many manufactures will claim proprietary information. And I don’t want there to be any legal ramifications. But that is a great idea!
Velos is a hard use can. The vent is not purely by material construction. The Velos is the best all around 556 can I own for ARs with barrels 14.5 and under. Better than my RC2, turbo k, polonium k, etc. longer barrels I prefer the mini 2, polonium k, and other k cans for length and weight. I want to try the Velos k however
We have been testing the entire lineup from Silencerco in their VELOS Suppressors. And we are extremely impressed. Video to come on this topic specifically soon.
I do think it’s worth $1500 however it’s just too much for me to justify with so many other options out there. I’ll wait for a black Friday sale or just wait long enough for them to drop the price
Another great video, as for buying it, I may have to wait. I’m looking at the X2 Dev Group OrionX Suppressor which is slightly less expensive than the Vent suppressor. I have their rifle so I want that can on it. As for getting a decibel meter, I would seek out other RU-vid content creators that have one and maybe collaborate with them. So far everything you have done is great I truly appreciate what you are doing. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
U guys seems very knowledgeable and this is a great comparison video but, $1500? Why not promote any multitude of HUB interchangeable suppressors added with BCG designed to mitigate gases while using a suppressor like lantac. You spend less than $1,000 and then take the other $500 and buy ammo with and you're still better off
Thanks for watching. We're not promoting this suppressor, we were given an opportunity to test it and we had the same reaction: $1500??? Seriously??? So we wanted to see if it was worth the price tag.
Definitely wish there was decibel readings for the suppressors here. Hopefully soon. Not saying you're biased to this suppressor with a ptr rep nearby, but its easy to question subjective hearing test without concrete numbers to show. Nothing against you or ptr, just like my numbers! Hope you're able to get ahold of some cat suppressors soon. I dont have many suppressors yet, but my odb is out of this world compared to what i do have.
Thanks, we're in the process of getting ahold of the sound equipment. Once we do, we'll do a comparison of our 57+ suppressors in a video specifically about sound. That being said, you can verify our experience with the data on PEW Science in the mean time: pewscience.com/sound-signature-reviews-free/sss-6-135-ptr-vent-3-mk18-556
We agree, a decimal reader would be helpful in someways and in someways not. Our subjective hearing test is currently our favorite. Once we have decimal readings, we will compare it to our subjective test and I expect we will find similar results. However, there are some things that are here that a decimal reader doesn’t quite pick up. Not as far as frequencies go, but more along the line of tone. One tone can be offensive at the same volume, where another tone can be non-offensive at the same volume.
We are working on that video, it’s come with more challenges than we expected. Thank you for your positive feedback and support. We will keep working on it.
A generous amount of blue loctite with proper torque is good enough for most use. Red loctite is a bit more secure, but neither is really meant for high temp.
There’s manufacturer recommendations and then there’s personal preference. Just know where you’re applying what adhesive and that you check on it from time to time.
Also just to add theres a little misleading wording in the pew science rankings. It is the quietest at the muzzle but gets beat by 3 other cans at the ear. (not including the DSX since its on a tuned upper that nothing else has been tested on)
So help me understand these settings and backpressure better. Lower numbers on your gas block = higher back pressure from the suppressor. Shouldn't the shorter barrel have a higher back pressure since there's less space in the barrel for the gas to expand before getting "stuck" in the suppressor?
those are some $$$$ cans, we will grow our channel a little more then we will reach out to KAC. Thank you! thank you for the positive feed back and support =)
Ok. I’d bite for sound, weight, and flow though plus versatility. I’d consider a 30 cal or a 36 cal. Can’t give me most of what I want then I’ll buy dedicated for each platform.
They have another version called the Vent 1 which is for 7.62, you can see is at the 16:32 mark. It hasn't been released yet so this is just a sneak peak. Thanks for watching!
@@SilencerSyndicate this is the channel we all have been needing. As long as you stay true and honest and not a scheel for items given free. I’ve ditched a lot of RU-vidrs as of late. That is why I asked a few weeks ago about suppressors in Europe. So much information and overwhelming when you are a noob. Plus the big consideration is application.
Yes, a 30 caliber suppressor would have more purpose to support your entire gun collection. My heart is truly in 556, at least for this video series. We will do another series where we dive into pistol, suppressors, and larger caliber suppressors. But at $1500, I can see why you would want to serve multiple rolls.
@@Ertactical most of the people I know want a hunting suppressor. Or one that they can use on multiple setups. But then again most are looking for their first. I tend to tell them a light weight 30 cal for hunting. Maybe a litter heavier if on multiple platforms. Also 22 suppressors.
I noticed in this video that on your 11.5" rifle you are adjusting a gas block through the rail with a bullet. What gas block are you using? I have been looking at the Riflespeed gas blocks, but my setup according to their configuration tool says none will work on my system. Like your rifle, my setup is the similar in no clearance after rail to muzzle device. Thanks for the help.
Yes, those gas blocks are amazing but they definitely take tinkering, I can’t say I have any good solutions other than having some extra barrels and rail systems so that you can attempt a few options
I don’t know if this is the right place to ask about the ptr suppressors but I have the idea that it is a porous material since they said it is a titanium ‘foam’. Does that mean that some of the gases leave the suppressor through the sides as well? Does this allow the suppressor to vent/breath better because of this. One area of concern if this is true is if you were to paint over the suppressor would that cause issues?
No, the suppressor just uses that porous titanium "foam" on the inside. It mainly just results in the suppressor needing to be cleaned occasionally. We just got ours about 2 days ago, so we'll continue testing it to see how it holds up over time.
we do have a flow K and we like it. I don't think I am too interested in anymore of the Flow cans as they are really loud. so many other company's are making low BP cans that are actually quiet. If Hux sends one then we will test it but they are just so loud that its hard to be excited about them.
Obviously the rifle speed has adjuster is useful for the channel but for a rifle with a dedicated can, I’m assuming it would not be worth it? Or would you disagree?
I think that it’s worth it, but be ready to tinker. You might have to take it to the range three times before it really settles in to how you want it to be. You may have to change buffers and buffer weights. You may have to change plungers. So as long as you’re willing to tinker, it’s a great device. If you don’t want to tinker, doing a single adjustment, and setting it up for your unsuppressed rifle. Then Pete Ian lightly overcast with your suppressor. Or dedicate a suppressor to that rifle and never take the suppressor off and then you can turn the gas to that suppressor.
Each one will offer different pros and cons, if you’re going to see extremely high use titanium might not be your friend. If you’re not going to put it through heavy round counts, you might enjoy the lightweight titanium instead. We are advancing very quickly in the technology of Suppressors and wear some medals were not ideal. They are quickly becoming ideal. It really comes down to your needs as an individual.
Any thoughts on overall toughness of these cans? If my rifle falls over and the middle of the can hits the corner of a bench on the way down, is the can going to snap in half? Or be unfazed? The Vent 3 looks awesome in how quiet it is. But, I can't help thinking it looks flimsy. Like it would break from staring at it too hard. A buddy of mine loves his Thunderbeast cans because he says they're quiet AND he can use them as a club if all else fails. I don't want to club people with my cans, but I also don't want something that will be destroyed in a minor mishap.
good question, i guess we will learn that with more testing and we are doing lots.. we did more yesterday with it and will again on the 5th... we will keep you up to speed on it
.308 testing on a G3? Are you me? And I think the price is probably due to the manufacturing and R&D. Not 100% sure, but I don't think there's any other can on the market that uses that particular style of flow-through design so they probably spent a lot in testing to make it work as well as it does. But anyway, looks like I'm adding the Vent 3 to my wishlist with backpressure and sound performance like that. Just have to see Sig's SLX and Radical's 5.56 can now, and flash performance from all of them before I make my final call.
They brought out the G3 for their test. It’s definitely an odd gun, but seeing as how they are, PTR they can bring anything they want. It was surprisingly smooth to shoot.
