Public Transit has 0 influence on the Simulation in Cities Skylines 2 whatsoever... 

Ive defended this game, but that is damning evidence for a totally broken "simulation"

As a programmer and modder, I'm really interested in this game because there is a deep simulation built into the game's code. But most of it is either bugged to the point of not working properly, or designed in a very weird and illogical way, probably to cut down on development time?? For example, with the HumanNavigationSystem, if there is a huge traffic, no transport line nearby that connects with destination, and the destination is too far for a walk, the citizen will just... abort the task altogether? Imagine if you decided to not go to work because there's too big traffic lol. To me it feels unfinished, like there was supposed to be more added there, but it never was before release. Another weird thing is working while attending school. Basically if Student has low economy worth compared to fees they need to pay, they will try to find job, or drop the school altogether to find a job. It'd be fine on it's own, except that "economy worth" isn't money, economy worth is literally every signle resource that belongs to the Student's Household. It includes car, books, medicines, basically anything that's a resource. So if the student doesn't have enough money to pay fees, but the worth of their resources is more than the fees, they won't look for job, but they also won't sell these resources, resulting in them not paying rent and being evicted from the house????

As a train driver, just the mention of our four enemies send shivers down my spine..

CS2 scales down traffic by reducing the portion of active citizens logarithmically with population, therefore at 140k population only 13% of citizens ever have the chance to go out to work or study each day. Also citizens can tolerant a surprising long distance of walk, often taking half of ingame day. Basically it's hard to build up traffic in the game.

That poem in the end got me 😂

This game needed another year in the oven

The more I played, them more I realized nothing actually works in this game. At least not like it should. Except the road building features. Those are pretty cool. Aside from that, it is basically a digital city model builder. Cheaper and quicker and takes up far less space than a physical model. But as far as I can tell, none of the simulation functions actually do anything. It is all made up random numbers. Really sucks, since CS1 seemed to actually work very well under the hood.

"roses are red my streets are dead and i go to bed good night" famous last word from imperatur:

Yeah, pretty much what my gut feeling told me as well. It just doesn't matter. I'll come back to this game in a few months again to see how it's going, but I honestly don't have high hopes.

Wow, that's disappointing. But I appreciate you continuing to point out where the game could improve. Hopefully CO is watching.

A DB roast lmao

Lmao best experiment 😅 love the city tho. Indeed looks amazing in fall

Yeah i have given up on sc2. Sad but true. I hope after one year things will be different. I have played v1 for 8 years. I sold my ps4 with sc1 and built a pc for this game so i can use mods. So i can't play 1 and don't want to play sc2. Now I'm playing anno1800 and Cyberpunk.

You are absolutely hilarious. The DB joke was a good one. When will DB have on time trains? 2070???

I really appreciate you being real about the problems with CS 2. Many other CS RU-vidrs don't do us, the viewers, the same courtesy.

Shout-out to the 1 milisecond featuring Knippi! 😂🎉 We love to see/hear it!

This is basically American city simulator, where adding public transit has no effect on traffic

god dammit the more time it passes the more evidence of how the broken the whole simulation of this game is.

I like how your bridge looks like the pulasky skyway. a very underrated megastructure in the northeast.

Lmao the db shoutout

It's because when transit was removed, citizens have all either immediately moved away to a better city, or died from car pollution or car crash. Nobody moved in because no one will move into a city without transit, and no one was born because toxic car pollution aborted all the babies. It's actually next level realistic next-gen simulation.

There's a lot that goes into the simulation, cims actually move around in the city, so they try to live near where they work. You can follow individual cims from birth to death and see how they relocate based on certain things, like attending university or getting a new job. I also always found that the amount of cims that are willing to walk immense distances to get around is way too high compared to real life. So cims will walk 4+km without public transit to get to work. I also think, if you have less parking availability, it discourages cims from driving. Sadly there's no bicycles so we don't see that affecting traffic either.

1:43 is the exact reason why I hate this game so much and why all my efforts are meaningless. Stupid bots don't know how to use roads, merge lines, use all lines instead of two etc.

Crazy how these devs got started with Cities in Motion 1+2, which was literally just a game about public transit, and now it's all completely faked

Must have never placed an airport with cargo... plop that badboy watch traffic go insane

I noticed that really really early. What I love in CS (already in the 1st), is to maximize public transportation. In CS2 public transportation is a lie in the sense it is not connected to the overall simulation: your city will continue to operate without a change wether you have or not have public transport. It is purely aesthetic and there is no underly complexity. I've decided to try a game in CS2 with only pedestrian road to force people using public transport and I also disconnected my city from the highway (so people coming have to park in a garage and then enter the city by foot), so that means no one owns a car. When I switched all my roads from pedestrian to classic two ways roads, the citizen transported by public transport was immediately divided by 2. And that's impossible because there was no car who could have be used instead. From my experiments, it showed that the amount of citizen that are SPAWNED (or decide to move outisde their house) within your city each day depends on some shady parameters. In other words, your city will adjust the load of citizen given your transport infrastructure (wether its private vehicles or public transport). That's a shame. When I discovered that, it didn't make any sense to max out public transport because that's an impossible thing to do, your city is purely fictional and everything is just like in the movie The Truman Show: souless. Also, a lot of citizen don't know how to change line nearby (from a bus to a metro or bus/bus, metro/metro, etc) so it's pointeless trying to think well a navigation map, they won't even use it... But given what's written previously it's a minor inconvenience lmfao..

How public transport could have any impact when traffic, as a whole, have no impact whatsoever on anything in this game.

so, you want to tell me that massive clog I had in my city that I desperately wanted to get rid of by investing in public transport was unsolvable this way and I should just rebuild that part of the city?

Glad I held off on buying this game. Wow they had a decade to figure out traffic, the best city sim devs in the world couldn’t figure it out.

I'm guessing lots of cars are despawning like they did in CS1? We really need TMPE.

The only people that used public transit in my city where the homeless unemployed leaving my city, and the new homeless moving in.

there is not nearly enough car trafffic in this game, have the developers ever been on any highway and seen how much traffic is on it?

Funny, before I reorganized my puplic transit system, I really had thick rush hours and needed to upgrade main street into a sixlane plus tram road to handle all that traffic. Now with proper transist its much lighter. So it seems it really does make an impact

What made City Skylines so good was it’s depth of simulation. It’s a shame to see City Skylines 2 fail like this. At least we still have the original.

It makes me think of Grand Paris Express Studies have shown that car traffic will be reduced by only 1% despite the new 200km2 of metro lines in the suburbs outside Paris

I wonder if this is a bug or a Potemkin village where the feature is not at all developed but the devs hope you don't notice.

my cpu is at 100% for simulate noting

Roses are red, my roads are dead, im going to bed, good night -every president/mayor/head of government after 2020

Well at least it made a difference back in cities skylines one

I've said since the game released that either the "simulation" is entirely faked. Or worse... the simulation is using processing power and the result is the same as if it was faked.

Das Ende mal wieder klassischer deutscher Humor😂😂👌🏼

Paradox branded titles stopped being good after CK2. CK2 was the last title, whether developed directly by them or just with their name stamped on it somewhere that was good, and not low effort poop with predatory DLC schemes. YES, CK2 at the end of its cycle had hundreds of dollars worth, but they were spaced out over years, and were beefy, and the base game still got all the crucial updates whether you had the DLC or not.

I actually named my train lines in cities skylines 1 DB..

And this is why I haven't tried Cities Skylines 2.

That yellow smart car at the end 😅

Oh my God, the 1000th game that we are dissappointed in, the 100th dev that has lost their ability to create. Oh well, I'm sure whatever upcoming titles will be great! I can't tell if people are just mindless consumers easily swayed by marketing or what. "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result."

You could make a mini series on what doesn't work in this game or doesn't matter

Already had my suspicions about this as well but at first I suspected my savegame was corrupted. Damn this game is a pile of shite, what mechanic actually works as it should? Spoiler: Absolutely nothing it's all deeply flawed

Wow. I really couldn’t have imagined just how fundamentally fake the simulation in CS2 is. I’ve heard people say the simulation is faked, but I figured it was at least *somewhat* hyperbolic.

...hm, I tought train operators have two enemies, the timetable and the passengers.

I am waiting till this game is fixed to play it.

I was just as excited for CS:2 as everyone else. After first trailer released and it had frame drops, I refunded. Tried playing on gamepass, uninstalled after 7 minutes. You shouldn’t need to try to like a game just because of the devs and its name.

2:35 WE MAKING IT OUTTA THE HEAD WITH THIS ONE

Fanbois: "Noooo! It's a sim game, that's why it's so ugly!" Reality: Reality:

almost nothing matters to this "simulation"....everything is pure cosmetic.

You got my sub for the DB joke :D

DB 💀

Did you check the unemployment metric before vs after ? If citizens don't own cars and also can't walk 10 hours per day, it is expected the unemployment rate spikes

TY! Didn't want to know that I might be the only one.

I tell you this: CS2 will be good after 300$ more and 5 DLC later...

I also suspected the same thing. This is absolutely disappointing. Good thing I tried the pirated version first. I won't buy this game until it is fixed.

I remind you, that paradox is involved with this game. And everything they are involved in, is buggy and unfinished.

City skylines 2 is so disappointing 😂

Welcome to games by Paradox Interactive

This is realistic to North America. If the theme is Europe, then not so much.

"Public Transit has 0 influence on the Simulation in Cities Skylines 2 whatsoever..." that is a flat out lie and I have screenshots to prove it lmfao. Transport makes the simulations WORSE because the pathfinding costs are broken. People will wait in a 1600 person queue, filled up the stop, and wrap around the block, interrupting crosswalks and lights all the way, rather than taking a 2nd option or driving. They go out of the city on transport lines rather than shopping in the city etc etc.

If what you discovered is true, it's very damning of the game. I'd really want to see you both wait a bit longer and try it on more than 1 city just to make sure it's really a proper conclusion.

I hope colossal order sees this and makes some changes... smh. So disappointing.

Sim city 4 still king it seems

Hmmm, just like real life.

To be fair to Cities 2, Cities 1 also suffered from the same problem to an extent. If you compare total citizen pop to the numbers using your public transport links, its never a "good" ratio.

Didn't even install the game (that I bought). Waiting for trustworthy confirmation first that it is working as it should.

This game is so fake lol

Traffic seems to work fine for smaller cities, but with big cities it just disappears. Disappointing.

thing is big cities are already not playable performance wise. then at least small cities should be well simulated. give us one or the other...

Public Transit has 0 influence in the US whatsoever... (from Europe's perspective)

Skylines is still just a model city, not a simulation like the okd simcity games. CS1 had the same problems.

Just like in real life

Its becoming more and more obvious that this game was a simple cash grab and any "simulation part" is just window-dressing, its not really any simulation. Just sad. This game could have been something, but that would have required actual effort and risk and they very likely had to please shareholders, so more DLCs it will be on a broken base system.

One of my favorite streamers played KSP and CS. He’s fucked.

So this is why I haven't bought this game yet. In fact, scratch the "yet".

All the pains paid for 'agent based simulation' and still sucks.

You could have turned them off, instead in delelting them

THE ENDING 🤣

And here I am contemplating if I should just bite the bullet and buy the game. I guess I'll stick to CS:1 for the time being. If I did this on my CS:1 300k city, the city would be dead in less than a week.

Maybe im bad at the game but I have alot traffic

I feel like something is missing here. What happens if you run the game for a couple of days and let things stabilize?

Yeah. I ended up dropping the game when I noticed that nothing seemed to have any impact anyway. I could have half of my city in permanent gridlock, and my city would still make insane amounts of money. Public transport doesn't seem to have that much of an impact. I don't know where the "deep simulation" is. And even city painters and detailers are dropping it and returning to CS1. It's a mess, sadly. Meanwhile, I'm returning yet again to SkmCity 4.

Oki doki

have you tried "TrafficReductionRemover" mod?

This is so German!)

Wow, this game is basically dying... They fumbled the bag with this city sim, they had monopoly too. It's so sad to see.

Very disappointing. I wish they would just make modding available , I believe the modding community will be able to fix this game a lot faster than the developers.

This whole game has been a scam, and honestly, someone with the know how needs to begin some form of legal action against Paradox and CO to get out money back. They sold us a game by lying to us.

Wow 😨 this is sad to know

But almost nobody was using your public transport You had 140k population and 150k rides monthly That's nothing at all - it's as if 30% of pops took 3 rides a month Why would you expect deleting public transport to change much?

Epic lines delete 🤘😆🤘

Lol 😅 this game is so weird haha

It does make sense actually, i mean why would i use public transport if i have my own car? A **very** dominating majority of public transit users are people who dont have a personal vehicle. Fuck this game still though.

It's ok i'll just keep playing City Skylines 1 for the next 2-3 years while they sort their shit out. Doesn't look like much has changed and what they did change doesn't work anyways it's really just City Skylines 1 but with extra steps.