Puma Deviate Nitro 3 

The Velocity Nitro 3 is MUCH better in the wet and trials…. Possibly the best road to trial option on the market.

Totally different shoe that has little to do with this one other than the name. I'm glad they work for you though! Enjoy them.

To be fair, I think EddBud was referencing the original Zoom Fly in his comment. The ZF3/4 association was mine. Though...you raise another point. The OTHER shoe I thought about, during my long walks in the DN3, was the Adidas Adizero Pro. That was the last shoe I remember being as unfun and harsh to run in as the DN3. So a shoe that has direct comparisons to the ZF2/4 and AAP is really not a good thing. It's certainly not the Peg41...haha.

I’m glad it helped. So many better shoes to try this year, even in the same class.

@@SagasuRunning indeed

Thank you for watching. 🤙🏻

Enjoy the DN2 and the SNR… once it’s time to swap out the DN2 there are plenty of great options out there beyond this one.

@@SagasuRunningwhat would you recommend for the same class of shoe?

It's $160 on the Puma site. Are you confusing it with the $200+ Deviate Nitro Elite 3? Also, Puma lets you try for 30 days and return if it doesn't work for you. The "on your own foot" review is always the best one.

@@gtromble no, I don’t. Instead of me saying 2099 SEK it was easier to just say 200 bucks as reference. Different countries different rules mate.

Puma Magnify Nitro 2 has a pretty much similar stack and same drop without a plate. I’m glad I got a pair instead of DN3.

Try the VN3 in wide…. It’s a much better experience. Excellent shoe.

I've never had it happen either. Even for shoes I don't like, I can force myself to run home (to get it over with faster). In this one though...there was no way. I was bummed that this one went this way, I've been a fan of puma this year. I hope the right the ship.

Never ran in the DN2… but these definitely have issues on their own.

So many better options than this when it’s time to change those DN2s (and if you can’t find anymore).

Extra length will definitely cause the issue you mentioned. I'm glad the DN2 works so well for you. Enjoy them!

Actually, Yowana broke it down well (in a very long winded way) in his DN3 video. basically, the first generation is new and can be a surprise. Generation 2 just requires fixing small things and making minor updates. Generation 3 is where things can go off course as a brand feels they now need to "innovate" with the product in order to "differentiate" it. I've seen this same thing play out in many products (not shoes) in my professional life.

Hold onto those DN2s…. They seem to be the model to get this year.

I’m also very nervous about the VN4… it’s such a good shoe I really don’t want them to “innovate” on it…. 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻

I've never had an injury, from running, that forced me to walk like that (only dealt with bad plantar fasciitis a few years ago). Thankfully, there were no injuries here. Just frustration with a shoe that just does not work...

Interesting to know it went back to the DN2 for some people.

The Boston 12 is a MUCH better shoe. The midsole (and stiffness) work to perfection and Adidas engineering nailed the layup of foams to near perfection (for a trainer). Same can be said about many other shoes. This one was just a miss...it happens....however it's a bummer that it had to happen on such a popular shoe.

100% agree. You nailed my core frustration here! While I didn't run in the DN2, I did try it on and have handled it multiple times in the store. It feels nothing like the DN3. Sure there are similarities, but also massive differences. Alot changed between the shoes. It's almost as they are try to sweep that one under the rug and shift ALL focus on the Deviate Nitro Elite 3 and it's journey to the Olympics. Every interview has been about that shoe, even when it's not been about that shoe, it inevitably comes up. I appreciate that Puma Running is out there, trying different approaches with some of their shoes. It just would be nice if they focused that same attention on their everyday models and didn''t just "phone it in" on them...

At this point, it's VERY unlikely. I will try the DNE3 on if I see it in a Puma store...but it's got a big mountain to climb. I'm glad they are working so well for you though. Enjoy them!

Thank you very much

Enjoy those DN2s then...sounds like you have a shoe you love. Maybe check the DNE3 out after a bit of time and longer term reviews start coming out.

To be fair, the DN3 isn't as much of a brick as the ZF3/4...but it's close. The super rigid heel and midfoot with a "not really there" forefoot plate is a very odd feel. That contributes to a lot of the issues with this shoe, beyond the foams.

@@SagasuRunning I don't think you would have liked the DN2 either. That shoe also doesn't have a fast, snappy feeling, like you'd get from an Endorphin Speed 2.

@@theghostofpcs2391 Funny you should mention the Endorphin Speed... You'll enjoy my next video...

@@SagasuRunning I usually enjoy your videos, even though I'll probably never run in a Pegasus again!

Hahaha. To each their own, right? Hopefully my content is diverse enough you’ll continue to find something interesting here.

I mean it’s bad… a disgrace even… but to humanity… that’s harsh. 😂

I will rarely go back to previous generations, even when I due it's mostly due to nostalgia. So no...I think I'm done with the DN (and Puma Running) until there are some changes. I'll stick the the VN3 and enjoy it.

I have not and likely won’t. Pumas certainly do seem narrow in their lasts overall. So I’d agree with your assessment.

@@SagasuRunning Thanks a lot.

Of the Puma shoes I have tested (which is Deviate 2, Velocity 2-3, foreverrun) the Magnify Nitro 2 is the one with most roomy fit. A bit too roomy for my taste, also fit a tad long. Perhaps can work if you feel the Velocity being too narrow. Not sure if it helps, off course best to try out for yourself 🙂. @thetruth9974

@@atlasthegracious Thanks for your advice. It is such a hassle constantly ordering shoes and having to return them because they were too narrow for my feet. I have wide/extra wide feet and have not run for more than 22 years now! I would like to get back into it and for the time being, I am looking to for a pair of running shoes for walks. I have been happy with Nimbus so far but the issue is that I cannot find wide, comfortable and stylish running shoes in the UK. We have very little choice here. Wider versions are offered in very boring colourways only; often black.

@@thetruth9974 It can be challenging to find the right shoe with the right fit. Difficult to say if the Magnify could fit you. Its not miles wider than any of the other Puma shoes, but definitely a bit more roomy. However If you can find it in a local shop or from a website with good return policy it might be worth a try. Otherwise brands like New Balance often offer different widths of their shoes. Saw that they had a sale at their website now. Hope you'll find a gret shoe for you! Puma or other 🙂

The DNE3 upper is very clean, not silly additions on that that are not functional. Lots of design restraint on that one.

Get them while they are hot (or can). It seems there may be an unexpected demand for the DN2 this year.

I watched the BITR review and it didn't strike me as overly positive on the DNE3. The issue for both the DN3 and the DNE3 is they are entering crowded product categories with some real superstar shoes. In the tempo trainer/super trainer (which is what the DN3 is) category there are 2 or 3 clearly better shoes. For the super shoe category there are 4-5 VERY dominant shoes that are in another league right now that are hard to touch. Puma needs to iterate to get there. Sure they have 3 generations in right now.... but they aren't going to nail it exactly right everytime. The A-TPU for tech is the most interesting thing they are doing. It's an interesting material choice, compared to the rest of the industry. The manufacture is nothing different than what Adidas is already doing in the Evo 1...though it seems they have controlled costs, which is part of what the A-TPU brings to the table, but also it speaks to some of the processes they are doing (and maybe not doing). I'd love to know more about this program...but is seems like it is shaded in mystery.

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Wow it’s not good. Wow unafraid to call a miss. The straight dope.

@brianreiter5572 @brianreiter5572 I mean… when something doesn’t work… I’ll point that out. It is why I said (repeatedly) “for me”… but in this case I do think it will be many. Spades need to be called spades…. When they are.

Absolutely not. You are going to crush the Nitro Elite foam faster and the shoe will be more problematic. If you must go with Puma go for the Velocity Nitro 3 over this. if you want a stiffer plated shoe for tempo running look at the Adidas Boston 12...which will hold up to a heavier runner putting alot of force into it.

@@SagasuRunning Thanks so much for your insights!

From those reviews I have watched and read on the DN3...people do note the Nitro Elite foam feels very different in the DN3 over the DN2. EddBud's review gets into it some as well.

Agree fully with your point! Well said. 👏🏻

DN2s are still pretty available. You can definitely grab a pair or two now....but I don't think that will last very long. It seems the DN2 will be in demand this year.

Well, the ship has sailed on that one. Likely won't happen unless Puma wants to send me a pair (which I won't hold my breath for). I'll see what they are up to in 2025.

Todd from Puma explained that they featured "Nitro" only on this shoe as "Nitro" is meant to be their training hero...while "Nitro Elite" is their racing hero. Thats all well and good, but it seems like a misstep and marketing speak. Especially when one of the primary selling points for the DN2 was the Nitro Elite foam in a "everyday racer". The comments of the DN3 were absolutely brutal initially until it was clear there was still Nitro Elite in the shoe... It is a big marketing and messaging miss here.

Totally different shoe with almost nothing in common with this one, other than the name...

@@SagasuRunning I know...any plans to try it?

None…

The DN3 fits tighter. I'd consider the VN3 a proper training fit. So even less volume, same narrow width.

You may be...hahaha. Which means you can REALLY stock up. If you write Nike and email I bet they might even send you a crate of them. 🤣

The DN2 is not the DN3…

One is a trainer and one is a racer... that is the marketing reason. However, I too can't see why one would not pick the DNE3 at this point. It is the same issue Nike has with the Vaporfly and Zoom Fly... there is rarely a world where the ZF is the better choice than a VF...

Because, unlike the DN3, the fit of the Rv4 was absolutely atrocious and the foam a total spongey mess. The DN3 fits very well and on foot, jogging in place and rocking back and forth in the store...feels fine. I knew the Rv4 was a mess from simply trying it on. However, the DN3 was deceptive and didnt show it's true colors until the run. Additionally... for whatever reason, other than a few pairs of standard width Rv$s available on release day, NB decided to send Taiwan ONLY wides of most of their 2024 shoes, which is absolutely ridiculous given how abnormally wide the standard widths already are across the line.

@@SagasuRunning Fair enough 👍

The VN3 is the better option anyway. Great shoe!

Not sure I see the relationship. The MN2 is a last generation cushioned trainer. Very different shoe in purpose and design.

Let’s break it down then. The Magnify Nitro and ForeverRun are two shoes I’d never be interested in. I’d there is a new Liberate Nitro, and it’s the supercritical TPEE foam I would be interested. The Fast-R2 and Fast-RB are shoes I’d try but would never buy (and I doubt I’ll have any type of relationship with Puma after this video). The Velocity Nitro 3 is excellent. So the Deviate Nitro 3 was a real test, that it failed. I was never really interested in the Deviate Nitro Elite 3, if the DN3 blew me away I would have been interested to try to see how their trainer/performance trainer/racer worked as a rotation…. However, the problems with the DN3 are engineering related, which gives me little faith in what they are doing…. Especially so given how “exciting” and “revolutionary” they feel what they have been working on is (when it isn’t). Additionally, one of the real interesting points about the value proposition for the brand is their use of supercritical TPEE foam (Nitro), which is a very good material with characteristics that work well for training and racing. If they are moving away from that to their supercritical EVA/PEBA blend (old Nitro Elite foam) as the new Nitro foam… which is not a good foam…. Combined with their poor engineering choices…. That isn’t a very positive outlook for the brand. Even if their new Supercritical A-TPU Nitro Elite foam is wonderful… I don’t want to waste money to find out that it’s also not for me. I hope these shoes work for some… but I think the 2024 generation is taking some of the shine off the brand since their return to running. I will keep an eye on them. Hopefully they change course into 2025 but I’m not holding my breath… I’m being honest and very direct with my thoughts here. As I will continue to be across anything I cover on the channel.

I think those aesthetics are “puma aesthetics”…. That why I said they do loud and garish, as a brand, very well. The DNE3 is very clean though… so they controlled themselves there.

Odd. So many non plated shoes will do a jog so much better (and better for your feet). I can say the DN3 is not great for jogging…. At all.

@@SagasuRunning problem might be, that carbon shoes are stiff and rockered. with non rocker racing flats my feet is nicely flexing and achilles gives lot of power. yesterday tried to run 3km threshold with nike tempo next%. simply couldn't do that. Today will try old achool Adios 3 from 2018

That IS the issue. Though it still shouldn’t limit you from running fast. The fact you value natural foot movement in an old style flat is great. Many don’t value that anymore.

@@SagasuRunning yes, it is strange. I raced 10k in Asics metaspeed edge+, shoe and run felt good, but time was slow, 2 min off pb. then week later I did 5k race in Puma Liberate Nitro from 2021. super flexible shoe with no tech. I was just 4s off pb, despite run feeling lot harder.

also, I had streakfly and I could run fast in them, much better than Vaporfly. Other runners prefer Vaporfly

The VN3 is very good… but the rest of the line seems to be edge cases.

​@@SagasuRunningForeverRun still will be one of the best daily trainers :)

@@SagasuRunning again for me the VN3 was a step back vs V2. But outside of race day their daily offerings this year have gone down

They sure seem to have. I have no context for the VN2, I wanted to come into the brand fresh this year and am currently and even 1-1….

Lol...well said. 🤣

I definitely have that feeling with the DN3, frustratingly so.

Sí, otra tragedia. ¡Posiblemente, incluso peor!

Stick to them if you love them. I think there will be many people doing this.

Sorry...I really wasn't that interested in the Elite 3 but was going to give them a chance...but now, I have zero desire too. I'll see what they do with them next year. I have enough super shoes to work on at the moment. I don't need another. There is some super shoe testing content coming on the channel next month.

I'm glad it is working for you and you are enjoying it. Seriously, it's a beautifully made shoe. I'm well aware of the break in period needed, but after 20-25k I should start feeling it trending in that direction, which I don't. The VN3 took 40k to really come into it's own (which was both the Nitro foam and EVA carrier) and after that it was totally different. Unfortunately, even if I put that time into this shoe I'd still have the issue with the Nitro Elite foam not being very good. That compliance/no resiliency is only going to get worst the more the foam is used...

@@SagasuRunning yea v2 deviate nitro took me about 50 miles to break in, and I’m a heavier runner too. What I did find about v2 that I hope isn’t the case for v3 is that after a while the foam actually became too soft and the plate lost its stiffness and the shoe became unstable for me. I didn’t really have much loss of energy but I did give up on the shoe once it started to hurt my Achilles. Guess we will see how v3 goes

I heard that softening foam or foam going flat issue often with the VN2 and DN2. In my VN3 I’ve not noticed any foam changes, though the shoe did loosen up after breakin, but since it’s been consistent. I won’t spend anymore time in the DN3 so I won’t get it there to find out. I suspect the Nitro Elite foam in the shoe won’t hold up though…

I've actually seen the opposite. Many more 6-8mm drop shoes out there form brands like Nike who would only ever do 10mm drops in the past. Also with the compressive foams we have in 2024, drop is just a reference starting point. As a forefoot striker, I have no issue running in a 10mm drop shoe (unless there is massive heel flare, even then I just get a little extra wear). I do prefer 6-8mm drops though if given a choice...

...with alot of walking.

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I found similar things to you, in much shorter runs. The plate geometry just does not work...at all.

If you loved them… that seems like the way.

One of the things that was engrained in me by a creative director I deeply respected, back in my agency days, was to give the client the answer at the beginning of the presentation and they use the rest of the time to back it up and explain why/how you got there.

I’m just reporting on what I feel in the shoe. The outsole was a surprise for me as well. I expected a lot, based on my experience from the VN3. I don’t think one needs “experience” with a specific brands to form an opinion. You need to start somewhere. I’ve run a long time and in many shoes and super shoes… to have a frame of reference. Bringing they to a new product line is how you do it. As for the top end super foam…. It makes sense that the top tier race shoes get the top end foam and the mid tier shoes get the next tier down. Most brands do that. What I’m concerned about is the move from the supercritical TPEE foam to supercritical EVA/PEBA AS “Nitro” foam. That’s going to change product line a lot.

Sure, but it would have made a better video if you had experience in the last version. And, yes, every runner is different and will have opinions about the shoes they run in. This really is a decent daily trainer with some issues, but mixing it up with a race shoe is not helpful. Cheers.

I actually agree. But I have to start somewhere. Next year if I cover the DN4 I’ll have a frame of reference. 🤙🏻

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