What strikes me as strange in these discussions is how the problem is always Ukraine, but never Russia. It's Zelensky who doesn't want to budge. It's Kyiv that doesn't want peace talks. But, dear geopolitical experts, Ukraine has never been the problem. All along it was Russia. Imagine that! It's Russia that comes to these negotiations and says - okay, give up Kyiv and Zelensky and let us occupy the whole of Ukraine - then maybe we'll talk. That's the problem, not Kyiv. Ukraine is fighting for its survival against an enemy that will never - at least, until Putin is alive - give up its maximalist goals. Robert says - none of them will be able to maintain the same level of fighting. Putin doesn't care. He'll turn the economy into wartime mode, he'll mobilize even more people, he'll continue pushing to the last soldier. All the West had to do was to take this war seriously and provide serious weapons from day 1. Not begrudgingly provide a small part of what Ukraine has been asking for, delivering it months later and then saying - oh, the counteroffensive is not so great. Of course it's not so great - Ukraine has to beg for the weapons it actually needs. And a lot of it is still not there!
One fundamental problem is the belief that Putin might use nuclear weapons. That belief is a problem because Putin… can’t use nukes and stay in power. I’m not even talking about a nuclear apocalypse or Moscow being blown up or anything like that. Polls in Russia, which show broad support of (or at least tolerance for) the war and for Putin… also show that a very strong majority of Russias say nukes shouldn’t be used in Ukraine. Couple this with the fact that India and China have called for the war to end. And China has specifically said nukes shouldn’t be used in Ukraine. Putin’s political position domestically AND internationally would unravel if he used a nuclear weapon… I don’t think a lot of people appreciate this.
I would love to agree 100% with what you said, but you don't go far enough... we should give ukraine the means and permission to strike military targets in russia! that's another thing nato would do to cut supplies, but expects ukraine to do without... and any western country criticizing ukrainian tactics should put their money where their mouth is and send a brigade of their own to "show 'em how it's dun"
Garbage 😅 Ukraine has lost 350 hundred thousands troops and it's country bombed to dust and these people happily discussing that Ukraine is winning and Counteroffensive is pretty nice going😅
@CUACHA_KILLA NATO, EU is a very trustworthy party for Russia. Dont believe me? Please ask the Russian elite, Olicharchs, and elite government officials in Russia. They are crazy rich from western money, and their children have nice houses in USA, Germany, Italy and UK. Only Russia is the problem no one else.
@@des_smith7658 Russia said they weren't going to invade in January of 2022. That was a lie. They are the liars and are the ones bombing civilian infrastructure.
There is no 'deal' for Putin, anybody who thinks he is going to give up one square inch of Ukraine unless he is absolutely forced to is naive in the extreme
That presumes any negotiation would require the withdrawal from territory taken, the same territory that wanted to separate from Kyiv. So, a deal is possible, but like any leader, he's got requirements.
@stephenglover8828 Well...the US has many a manic Russianphobe in its govt, and they've a mission to destroy Russia as we know it. Sad fact is most have taken no effort to look seriously at the causes of this war, they've just decided their sides on God's side.
@@feedyourmind6713 Anything is possible but do you seriously contemplate Putin vacating the territories that have held referanda and are considered part of Russia now and after the sacrifices of the ethnic Russians there and the losses of Russian manpower in this conflict ?
Robert forgets to mention that Poroschenko,Merkel, Hollande have all publicly said that they had no intention of honoring the Minsk agreement . Robert has a very selective memory about the history of this conflict . 😊
If you and the majority of the people on this page did a minimum amount of research you would know that the newspaper Robert Fox works for is owned by a Russian who was given a Lordship by Johnson and whose father is ex KGB with links to Putin.
@@jacqdanielesthis outcome is far from unimaginable. And it’s far from a bad outcome from Ukraine’s perspective either. Any outcome which fast-tracks Ukraine into NATO is a good outcome for them, let alone if they get the whole of the Donbas back too.
"Neither side can last another winter" - Why couldn't Russia last another winter? They still have hundreds of thousands of uncommitted troops and their economy is humming along. Ukraine is losing terribly but I don't see how Russia is in any trouble.
@@smftrsddvjiou6443 Ukraine is down to its last 10 brigades of uncommitted troops. Russia has hundreds of thousands of troops yet to be committed. This war is only going one way.
My thoughts as well. His game is to come up with some dramatic points of views that he claims to be insider information to sound interesting. But okay, overall he has a falsifiable claim that some sort of peace negotiations will start in September, so let’s see.
Man ... he wasn't giving advice, or suggesting and forcing an agenda or a solution - he doing his best to report on the masses of narrative threads and many varied actions taken by multiple players and nations involved in the morass which has become Putin's illegal invasion of the Ukraine.
He needs to pick up a rifle before he calls himself an expert. This war is being fought for the mega rich at the expense of the common folk. Like wars have always been fought.
Peace is simple. NATO out of Ukraine and stop expanding east. Liars and deceiptful neocons. Broke their word in 1992. The West and NATO cannot and should NEVER be trusted.
I suspect ukrainians would continue fight with whatever sticks and old rifles they have... biggest problem would be (from western pov of course) loans and money they owe and cant pay back while doing so. They have food, other supplies, so question is how long and bloody it gonna be. Ukrainians look to be as resourceful and stubborn as afghanis to protect their country.
Nice to see the Times finally admit the obvious fact that Ukraine has lost the war and will have to give up territory. Russia will never let Ukraine have NATO missiles minutes from Moscow nor should it. The US would never let Russian missiles in Mexico and Russia won’t do the same in Ukraine.
Mfer, is Russia becoming unstable your biggest worry? Or a country being invaded in the middle of Europe standing it's ground and regaining ALL of its territories? Jesus, this guy is terrible.
An unstable nuclear power is very dangerous! Imagine if the Russian government falls and the country descends into chaos. Nuclear weapons laying around ripe for the taking… and after everything settles they realize there are a whole lot of nukes unaccounted for lol.
@@joaorobalo9353 But Ukraine is not on Russia's land are they? If you want to blame someone, then blame Putin's Regime and let's defeat it so this "never" happens again!
@@carolmiller5713Yes, please. They should have been give to them when they asked! But after waiting so long to launch a counter offensive with the russians already having time to build the defenses I don’t know why they wouldn’t have just waited for them.
Are we discussing Boris’s role In scuttling peace talks at the behest of Biden back at the beginning of this mess? No? I thought this might be a serious discussion. Disappointed again.
All I heard him say is that climate change is Africa's biggest problem. Obviously he never heard of Africa corruption before. Maybe he must come and visit me for a week so his eyes can open.
I must praise Robert Fox's ability to carry on with the interview despite the immediate aftermath of the bomb which had clearly gone off in his study beforehand. Bravo.
Haha, I must admit I was distracted by the various scenarios going through my head and wondering if he was going to address the elephant in the room - which obviously knocked over his shelving units....
@@bryandimery6509 They could certainly march to Moscow if the west would allow them. Wagner cut through Russia like a hot knife through butter. The fact you are a despicable disgusting war criminal defender and don't want Crimea to be liberated, that does not mean it won't happen. At this rate, Ukraine will certainly liberate Crimea within the year.
@@thedon9670 So it was not only me. I stopped the video after 6 minutes. This guy clearly has no idea what he is talking about. Maybe he was an expert decades ago, but right now, he has no clue what he is talking about and he sounds more like he is working for the russian propaganda.
@@DrTuSo Agreed. Crimea is NOT an option. Russia has to leave All the land or this is a loss. Taiwan will be next if Russia gets to keep Crimea. They have to be pushed out entirely to break Putin's government and show the world will not tolerate conquerors.
Seriously who is he kidding Ukraine will never give up the land to Russia and to even consider giving Russia any part of Ukraine is sending the wrong message to a violent dictator.
it might be interesting to see how German army would struggle through the mine fields (and hold reached positions) - if they say the progress is slow. On the other hand the majority of German population seems to support Ukraine. I am grateful for UK´s support and hopefuly west countries will not lose patience and faith that we can win this war against one psychopath
sorry but it is related. And no one apart from Putin has chosen it - Ukraine is a symbol. Which we need to see. Symbol of freedom and strength. Let us learn from them
noone supports the war. Who strarted it? Who is killing civilians at their apartments? Who is bombing grain for Africa? - sorry but Ukrainians don´t do that. They just defend their country and we have to stay strong until Putin is dead. Look at the history - the cycle repeats
Germans fought poorly in Afghanistan and the much maligned French fought very well there as opined by many of my friends who served there over multiple tours! Seems that many in Germany miss the "good old days" of being a satellite of the Soviet Union!
You're saying the 2014 Minsk cease fire accord was actually a trick to deceive Russia? Ukraine was supposed to remain a neutral buffer counter between Russia and the ever encroaching NATO. Putin can never again trust the West.
This is not going to happen - The Ukes have no chance now that Rus has dug in and are very happy to bleed the Ukes out of their manpower. Maybe Zekensky should grab and rifle and see how impossible the task is. Start the negotiations or die on the wasted fields is their only choice. The Wests claim that the Russian people will turn on Putin is a pipedream. When the Ukes went into Russia with drones, there sealed the resolve of the Russian people - now they will pay for it - end this suicidal war now !
@@damianketchamIs conflict over already? No. Results will be seen after some time, now relax and enjoy price increase on almost everything, if you are not able to listen what wise people like professor Mirshmaer tried to explain to West for more than decade.
@@valerijstehts2719 I’m sorry!!! Did you miss something?? Russia has weakened itself and we have two new NATO members. No Russian goals have been met and of course the conflict is not over. I haven’t seen any price increase here. Not worried. I am, however, interested in this Mirshmaer. Edit: apparently it’s Professor Mearsheimer.
@@damianketchamONE new NATO member, remember Turkey didnt accept Sweden yet, Erdogan will decide that at the end of this year to be sure he is not cheated, we'll see what happen with Turkey access to EU, as that can become EU's end
I was thinking about ending this war, the Ukrainian counter-offensive, it is costing a lot in human and material terms and it is very slow, ceding Crimea to Russia and putting Ukraine in NATO the war would end. And the world would be at peace and it would not affect the whole world anymore. Russia will not achieve its great goals. And other countries that border Russia are already in NATO. Ukraine will lose a little, but Russia will lose a lot. The reconstruction of Ukraine will be another more difficult part.
@@dudeonyoutubemust be the stupidest comment I’ve read today. Russia has already lost the war and russia is slowly collapsing. Ukraine has 50 of the richest and strongest country’s in world behind them and russia has? … North Korea and Iran. Russia can’t sustain this war. Just do the math.
The Norwegian oil fund is huge and Ukraine is in many ways a great investment oppourtinity. If our current government were to find the vision, the spine and the will to do something like that; great, I would support it, but it would have been the first time the government has ever shown such qualities. As for a peace deal, that is for the Ukrainians to decide. If they want to keep fighting, we should support them all the way. A future with Russia as a mafia state is not good for anyone, least of all the Russians themselves.
He was right about the brexit thing too, though. And most of the US media treats *everything* like a baseball game. It's not democrats vs. fascists, or truth vs. lies, or fact vs. fabrication, or scientists vs. paid shills of corrupt businesses, it's not shades of grey or murky facts, it's always either two equally valid teams fighting it out fairly or us vs. them. If it's the latter, then our guys can do no wrong and their guys are always wrong, regardless of facts. That's what it seems, at least, with few exceptions.
@@blechtic well put, because your position is of a certain view it's hard to know if that's exactly true but, I get the gist of what you're trying to say
Absolutely. The Russian regime still won't even admit that there is a war in Ukraine. Pretty hard to sign a peace deal to end a war the other party insists is not happening.
Columns of Russian tanks were headed straight for Kyiv in the first few days of this war - until Ukrainians stopped them. There was also Hostomel airport....have you forgotten already? Actions speak much louder than words.
Agree, this war can go on for 10 years easily but it seems very clear that Ukraine will never and won't have to give up. This is geopolitics. Russia and Ukraine are quite irrelevant. This war is about China. Also interesting developments in BRICS, seems half of the members don't quite want to be there any longer. The tide is slowly changing, another 5 years should do it. Ukraine will get stronger, Russia weaker as time goes on
Got that right. Russia will not abide by any agreement. They will smile and shake hands, bide their time to reload, retrain and restock their military with secret help from China for the next war. They will only understand overwhelming Nato force to keep them within their borders.
@@dudeonyoutube Crimea was put under the jurisdiction of Ukraine by Stalin. Once Ukraine is given the long range missiles, Russia will be totally unable to hang on to it. The Kerch bridge will be gone soon, the "land bridge" is all already under fire control and the ports will be within missile range.
“The past is never dead. It’s not even past. All of us labor in webs spun long before we were born, webs of heredity and environment, of desire and consequence, of history and eternity.”
Ukraine will fight through another winter, no problem. I think they are somewhat holding back until winter when they will have more equipment, such as f-16s
Ukraine will fight through every winter until the rf is out of their country. As they should. Anyone who would suggest pacifism in Ukraine needs to have a HARD think about their priorities.
@@billy2807 People who think there will be no killing if russia got to take over are deluded or know nothing of russian/soviet history. Ukraine has no interest on being on the receiving end of a genocide from the orcs again.
Since that region is part of Ukraine and has been for decades including the days of the USSR yes it is an invasion. But clearly you don't recognise international law any more than the regime in Moscow.
When the words "U.N. General Assembly"[5.16] are included in an analysis of the invasion of Ukraine or its aftermath, one can safely turn the dial, knowing a serious discussion lies elsewhere.
Ukraine's two options are to fight on the battlefield for their independence, or be on the receiving end of a genocide by the russians again. I would rather go down swinging than to die a useless death.
For me, this channel has become the first 'go to' for informed comment. The interviewees are given time to expand their knowledge, the interviewer is well briefed, & asks the right questions. Well done.
@@dudeonyoutube they have already given quite a bit back. Maybe not willingly. The Russia-Ukraine border will become the new East/West Germany border or North/South Korea and the rancor will last at least as long.
I'm by no means convinced that Ukraine can't and won't fight through into next year. It's by no means clear that Russia can/will want to do likewise. Frankly, anything short of regime change in Russia makes any "peace" meaningless. I can see outsiders insisting on an ambiguous outcome for Crimea to preserve Russian pride (e.g. complete demilitarization of Crimea - including an end to Russia's fleet in Sevastopol and the future of Crimea left to some sort of referendum in 20 years' time...), but that's just foolishness smacking of Munich.
Not their job to decide for Ukraine the people of Ukraine will not let their government or president give up Ukrainian lands and president zelensky will not agree to that
Russian pride is what keeps starting these wars. Too easy for a dictator to play to it by lying. Pride prevents them from accepting the cold hard truths about their country, history and the world.
NATO is going to negotiate a peace deal for Ukraine? Does Ukraine have anything to say about it? How about NATO giving Alaska back to Russia? The USA won't mind will it? It's only a peace deal. Better yet give the States that make up the Louisiana Purchase back to France. I'm absolutely sure that will keep the peace.
I believe Zelensky when he says the war starts and ends with Crimea, the guest is completely wrong if he thinks Ukraine will negotiate so soon. In fact I find his analysis the worst of all the guests this channel has ever had.
And Ukraine happily mobilizes the mentally challenged, sixteen year olds and seventy year olds. They have run out of able and willing bodies to sacrifice. My guess is there will be a mass mutiny at some time and poor Mr Green will meet the same fate as Mussolini.
“Some Ukrainians may die, but it's a sacrifice America is willing to make!” President Biden paraphrasing Lord Farquaad. As if Russian and Ukrainian lives don’t really matter! Some Americans want to finish off the Cold War properly with a defeat of Russia. Putin has been obsessed with the Ukraine because NATO has been obsessed with expansion!
@@adamblack267 They're fighting over control of Ukrainian territory, and this plays a vital role for Russia given its geostrategic position. It's not vital to the US, it's just their ongoing strategy of global expansion and eventual favorable regime change in Moscow.
@jaw444 I couldn’t agree more. It’s a case of US hegemony being spread around the world and I can understand why the Russian elite don’t like it. But I also don’t support Russian aggression and can’t stand the Russian oligarchy just like I can’t stand US oligarchy. This world has got a serious rich man problem.
@@Withnail1969there are literally thousands of F-16s out there, many of which are being replaced with the newer F-35s anyways. It's a very versatile platform, and is compatible with the other NATO weapons we'd like to send.
I don''t think the end of russia is far off. The damn country has had 3 coups in the last 100 years for gods sake 😂 I still remember the russian army blasting a hole in the side of the Kremlin lol
This is the most putrid "realpolitik" discussion I have had the misfortune to endure in my 76 years on this planet. Nauseating to listen to these politicians, mandarins and talking heads rationalizing the contemplated betrayal of the Ukrainian People. One can hardly imagine these same sophists being willing to give up parts of their own sovereign territories for the sake of a "deal."
Someone should explain the difference between a journalist and a reporter, to Times Radio. Ukraine has written refusal for talks into law, they have banned themselves from peace.
They have banned giving up territory.. Ukraine will fight until they are hiding in the weeds and teaching their kids how to butcher and eat Russian soldiers..
They were INVADED. Would you negotiate with your neighbour if they usurped your kitchen? Would you surrender your fridge? No, you'd kick them out of your house!
NO, they have BANNED themselves from becoming slaves of the Russians! Today we KNOW that most of the EU would become Communists subservient to Putin's Russia rather than firing one shot in their own defense if the USA didn't FIGHT for them as they have done in two World Wars! There are a few exceptions such as Poland and a couple of the former Soviet Satellites!
The "Norwegian sovereign fund" is a pension fund and Nowegian politicians have ageed on a fiscal rule not to use more than the expected return on the fund. I can´t see why Robert Fox is thinking it can be used in Ukraine. What about frozen Russian money ?
Western claims of 300B in confiscated Russian sovereign wealth fun is way off base. Much of that fund was moved and swooped away from the west. The actual number is about 30B. Frankly, Russia has made killings on western business fire sales within Russia. Volkswagon just left nearly a half billion behind. Shell and others suffered the same kind of hits.
Straight up, Robert Fox was all over the place on his opinions., the comments about us media and German politics were the only things that seemed to be the actual truth.
That guy seems to be disconnected from reality... Ruzzian army is close to collapse and Ukrainian are stronger and stronger every day. The entire world is supporting them while Ruzzian economy is slowly collapsing... There is absolutely no reason for ukraine to stop this before next spring.
Putin screamed "Kyiv in 3 DAYYYS!" and yet russia lost all of Kharkiv and Kherson to basically unarmed Ukrainians. I think russia is doomed, whatever weapons Ukraine receives. They've certainly been humiliated, that's for sure!😂
Ukraine had hundreds of planes at the start of the war, but Russia destroyed almost all of them. How exactly few dozens of hundreds of 40yo planes will help Ukraine against best air defence systems in the world?
@@SavageJunky Ukrainian army isn't getting stronger because they're loosing a lot more equipment than they're getting. According to oryx Ukraine lost half of their Bradleys without reaching first line of Russian defences. And 20% leopard 2, while Germany said that they won't be able to replace leopard 2 because they don't have many of them. What are you on about?
@@yellowtunes2756 What you call "the best air defence systems in the world" weren't even able to protect the Kerch bridge and numerous other targets in Crimea, Donbas and Moscovia itself. F-16's may be developed 40 years ago, but they're still considered modern aircraft, able to carry much more precise ammunition.
I am saddened by the depth of pacificism and lack of belief that Ukraine would not refuse any loss of land. Only a cutting off of western support would cause Ukraine to blink. The cutting off of this support would send a message to Taiwan, Philippines, and the many small Asian countries is that you will not be supported beyond what hurts. Ukraine went from a country predicted to loose in 3 days to a country genuinely holding Russia at bay. The fact is Russia loosing is a change in attitude. Ukraine loosing is a guarantee of a loss of independence and future conquest.
The William Faulkner quote at the very end is: "The past is never dead. It's not even past" and since it was barely understandable or indeed cut off, it bears repeating here because it's great quote.
Pasta goes down faster If you eat it with nice sauce I'm heading to the future now On a ruddy great big horse (Hope that you like my verse. It took me ages :--)
Well Russia has literally zero chance of military victory (as defined by the total conquest of Ukraine and the removal of Zelenski, which was their Feb 2022 objective). All of Ukraine is mobilised and increasingly proficient while Russia is mobilising prisoners and pensioners.
@@kirishima638 Russia doesn’t want the conquest of Ukraine. It wants denazification, Ukrainian autonomy from NATO and equality for its Russian speakers in the Donbas. All of which was agreed to in the last scuttled peace agreement. In fact there would have been no war and Zelenski would have control of the now occupied territory if Boris Johnson hadn’t scuttled peace talks on behalf of Biden. Black Rock wanted this war because they want to own the country. They are the drivers behind this conflict and it’s Ukrainian men and woman who are paying the price. 1.2 million soldiers are now mobilised in Russia and Putin has never been so popular. NATO is fractured and does not even have 100,000 ready to go. Ukrainian forces are down to 50,000 at the very best.
I really do enjoy Times Radio and Ms. Gerbeau is excellent, always. But Mr. Fox seems to be an expert at organizing a lot of facts and narratives that we already know into a long story that tells us very little. His cadence is entertaining, but I did not really learn anything from this interview. Thank you, Times Radio for what you do. Normally, I relish every installment. Michael from Champaign, Illinois, USA.
Oh, don't worry, you won't see that. This is the new era of "information". Nobody cares about anything and you can defecate whatever you want through your mouth and all will be forgotten in the next 20 minutes. Any resemblance of Truth anywhere in this world was killed and buried years ago.
Fox's views about peace talks in the war is sooooo wrong. Zelinsky already said repeatedly what they want to achieve in this war, and he is absolutely correct. All the countries he named that have tried for peace are ones that r aligned with Russia. Zelinsky even said that they will continue without the help from others. It will b hard and not sure if it would work...BUT they want their country back in full, including Crimea. He is just wrong on so many points. The media needs to stop indulging this nonsense that the West will decide for Ukraine what they should do. It's not our decision...it's the Ukrainian people who decide when to end this war. They have already proven how courageous and strong they r, bc they know that if they don't save their democracy now...Putin will try again in the future.
You are correct and wrong at the same time. You say it’s not the West decision and you are correct. However, without the West’s support they would crumble under a month. So, with that being said the West has a lot of say in what happens.
And without NATO troops on the ground, Zelensky has no way to get those lands back. Certainly not Crimea and the core regions of the Donbass but probably not a whole lot more from where they are now. The Russians have the manpower and resources to continue and now they have to since the annexed regions are Russian lands according to Russian law. They're now obligated to keep fighting to secure AT LEAST the annexed oblasts. But since the current intensity level is unsustainable, it'll probably turn into a somewhat frozen conflict like it was post-2014 while still technically continuing. There's way too much wishful thinking going around and determining policy. Be realistic.
Nope. No peace. No deals. Russia loses. Putin dies. Ukraine gets its land back. That is the ONLY way this war will end. NOBODY gets to decide otherwise.
Of course YOU are 100% wrong, but will never admit that NATO "Boomer" submarines all around Russia, each with 64 independently targeted Nuclear warheads, will make a FEW sane heads in Russia realize that a Nuclear War with the West will be over for Russia in LESS than 15 minutes, with no country named Russia remaining for thousands of years!
This is a serious topic, but I laughed so hard (yes laughed) at 14:59 mispronounciation: "Someone from his inner circle, from the Souvlaki" (rather than siloviki) Putin and his inner circle must really love their Greek food!!🤣
Right. No one should believe a word Russia says at this point. I don't see any reason to believe the US either, since we didn't meet our Minsk guarantees or even put up a little deterrence when this war threatened. Telling Russia up front "No, we won't fight you." Seriously??
This sounds very strange with main peace players China, India and Turkey. Why they have have to decide a fate of Europe? Why money for rebuilding Ukraine are not taken from Russia?
