[Puyo Puyo Tetris] Pentomino Rotations (commentary) 

I wish

dot spin but the pentomino upgrade was used on it?

I know using monomino will cancel a previously triggered pentomino, but I don't remember what happens when monomino is used first. I'll try to test it tomorrow to give you a proper answer.

Gave it a try, the monomino doesn't get affected by the pentomino item.

aw,maybe this will be hard,but try using the double-mino thingy in fusion mode.

Shout outs to pannenkoek

is this a bismuth reference

@@roxie6971 no its panenkoek

thank

"penetrate 4 holes"

t-spin qauddruple

Draco is adorable

@@JBRedux WHY-

I'd say a B2B T-spin Tetris Plus wound send at least as much as a perfect clear.

Lilla Oshisaure Jesus if that was something in competitive it could be devastating especially since you could g get a tetris after wards if you have one in hand.

except that's not a T so calling it T spin Tetris would be inaccurate I guess and the devs knew it

Lilla Oshisaure Technically, it is a small T (t)

omg its true @@Ze_eT

Would you believe me if I told you you're the first one to make this obligatory comment yet

6:34

Mmm

Well I hope I cleared out a few questions you had If you still have some, again, feel free to ask.

Lilla Oshisaure if you clear five lines with the long I piece, do you get any bonuses?

Yes. It's called a Tetris Plus, and it's basically a better Tetris, just like the one you can get in fusion. I'll probably get some footage of it tomorrow.

Lilla Oshisaure Wow! So cool! Thanks for answering!

No problem

Well an S-Spin Triple only needs one block laying on the floor. With the extension the Pentomino doesn't even need this block since the kick it prevent is not going to happen anyway since the Pentomino hits itself on the floor.

SRS my friend, SRS

Being named after a piece with the drawbacks of S/Z AND O is not Ex's fault

I had a week end to waste Also thanks

Both him and his waifu have nice voice. Let's ship them

What

Lilla Oshisaure yes.

First off how did you come uo with that and second ew no

Lilla Oshisaure from O spin.

Oooooooooh still

Thanks, I gave it my best

Thanks. If it reassures you, this pentomino is also sometimes called N, so if "S-Spin Tetris" scares you just imagine it says "N-Spin Tetris" instead.

I call it H because i had a physics teacher writing H as И which got real confusing real quick when doing chemistry

Draco blessed

X pentomino is o's annoying little brother

Unusuable for Spins, is like O

But not as spin though, since it has to fall at least one cell after the rotation.

Not with a spin, since it require the piece to fall at least one cell after rotating. In the same way, this is not a T-spin double: fumen.zui.jp/?m115@ugB8IeB8BeE8AeH8BeH8BeI8AeD8JeAgHvhDVcf9mf?9rBAAA

What if you raised the spin set up

If we were in Tetris Axis (3DS) or Tetris Party (Wii) then maybe. As for the names, since the Tetris Company didn't put any trademark on 1-/2-/3-/5-mino, the closest you can get is the mathematical term for it, so monomino, domino, tromino and pentomino. ( according to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyomino )

Lilla Oshisaure O.O Thank

Jamie Kwong I mean, two mino spins do exist in fusion...

Oh shit i forgot about that whoops

I'd think they'd be called "." And "," Makes sense, yeah?

Well yeah

Fine, but that will be in the shitpost format.

Lilla Oshisaure I would but I can't

Don't worry I'll do it tomorrow

Lilla Oshisaure I don't care about the format, I just want to see it!

I’ve done that many times, it’s actually kind of interesting It rewards a TetrisPlus, something usually only achievable in Fusion mode (watch the in game tutorials to see how you’d do it). But it kind of acts strangely in such a situation, in the sense that it actually doesn’t play the line Clear sound for it, despite there being code for it, and that your character will do their “Tetris Plus!” chant.

No, they made their wording confusing but only T-Spin is rewarded and gives extra points/damage. I wish all pieces had a bonus but currently the only game I know that does this is Axis soooooo RIP me

Tetris Party counts other spins such as S-Spin or Z-Spin, but I’m not sure if it adds attack bonus

I'm glad you liked it, and yeah modern Tetris has some _"interesting"_ moves lol

Pretty much, though there's a programming reason behind it. When the centre of rotation is on a block rather than a vertex, you can set this block as the "0,0 point" or origin, then set all the coordinates of the blocks relative to this block. That way when you rotate, you can just move your blocks with a x, y = -y, x formula applied to every block and boom you rotated your piece 90 degrees around the origin. This is something you can't do as easily if you want your piece to rotate around the corner of a block, so I assume that's why it's like this since this allows to define only one orientation per piece and compute the rest on the fly as needed. The same thing happens with the I piece except it's given proper kicks instead of just a rectification to keep it stationary. PPT then used this to give an extra kick to the P pentomino, allowing the O tetromino (which in turn allows the P pentomino) to use its "true rotation" around its internal origin, but only if the piece cannot rotate in its rectified first rotation. This gives one kick possible for the P pentomino while still not showing for the O tetromino under normal circumstances, since for the O piece it makes it completely stationary. It's possible to see this kick from the O piece however if you rotate while the piece is trapped inside other blocks, which is achievable in Fusion: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CRfV5csii5Y.htmlm51s

Thing is the T tuns into a bigger T so that you can still do T-spins You don't get extra bonus points or garbage for doing it with pento T rather than tetro T but you get style point which in party is all I care about lol

Lilla Oshisaure I know that the T4 actually turns into a T5, I was just saying it would be a much greater detriment to have the T turn into an X, which only has one form that only fits one type of hole: a T-shaped hole. That way, it would be harder to use the transformation of the T tetramino. After all, isn't the whole point of the Pentomino item to hurt the other player's ability to place pieces?

I mean between O and P i take P without a doubt.

Lilla Oshisaure Yeah, then you can actually perform a spin with it.

Do I look like: - I have any way of playing/recording/uploading T99 videos - I have anything interesting to show on T99 - I give a fuck

SRS has 4 rotation states for each piece, even S and Z, and the letters are codes to identify them. 0 means the spawning state, R is one clockwise rotation from that, 2 is upside-down, and L is one counterclockwise rotation from state 0. Then in the table, the coloured code is the starting state, and the grey code is the ending state, so for example R2 means after one clockwise rotation (state R) rotate clockwise again to get to the upside down state. The different positions are then listed in the order SRS tries them, from 1 to 5. If you want an example to read this chart, you can try to look for the T-Spin Triple setup. Look in either the 0->R or 0->L rotations of the T piece, and by superposing where the T is in the setup with the purple Ts of the chart, you should see how only offset #5 fits. It's not easy to understand at first, i'll give you that. But once you know what things mean having the chart with everything drawn out is a good reference.

Lilla Oshisaure Thank you so much! I'm actully drawing out my own charts too, in a more spacious way and with more stuff labeled. and without the pentominos.. for now. lol

Lilla Oshisaure It took me a while to see the difference between spawning state and 180 rotatrd state for s and z. You dont notice that stuff in game normally.

Well yeah and that's why it becomes a pain to do Z and S spins because not only what direction you rotate in but what state you're in matters too. And about your chart you're free to do your own of course, if yours helps you better then use yours instead. I'm iterested to see what it looks like though.

Lilla Oshisaure imgur.com/1J1Sm22 main difference is I'm drawing it by hand because no computer .-. but im obsessed and like doing tedious things like this. anyway, another differennce is i just drew the outline of the rotation . oh and i drew a dot where the axis of rotation is.

I agree with the pentomino only mode. However, to get all 18 pentoes, you'd need to define the rotation system, and well, at this point i'm not sure using the trick they used (base it on a tetromino and keep its rotarions) would work that well, so you'd have to rewrite a whole rotation system, SRS-style. Which sounds like a huge pain.

In party it sends the same amount of garbage than a tetris apparently.

But in Fusion you can sent over 58 garbage puyos at once

Modern tetris, my friend.

So you mean after a certain amount of stages the game turns into big mode?

yeah, acts like an adaptation of fever mode to tetris too (same could be done for lucky attack)

Hmm, I mean the thing with big bang in tetris is that it's literally a finesse test. Changing the well size form 10 wide to anything else would probably change the execution a lot, and I'm sure it'd throw many people off. Don't get me wrong, i'd love to have a tetris big mode, but maybe as its own thing. Not sure it'd do well if it was randomly thrown at big bang players.

Well it's gotta be a T-spin

Yep, it requires an additional Mino slot on a t slot.

It’s a joke. Did you see the “o” spin at the end? I was referring to the ppt character “Tee” as a joke

ceejcake xD I saw it, but I want to prefer another spins as well, like Ess and Zed.

@@hieuquocnguyen7645 ok llol

Check description

Check description

In normal gameplay it's not possible to get this kick, yes, but it is still programmed in the game, and here's a proof: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4YlDQgBY3ow.htmlm5s

Oh gosh no you don't wanna hear about the rotation system in this game

cf. video description

Yes, indeed! As long as you build stacks and held the I pentomino for later use

Hieu Quoc Nguyen how many lines does it send

AgustdGames Only 4 because it acts like a Tetris

Hieu Quoc Nguyen thank you

AgustdGames No problem.

Check description, got you covered cause you were not the only one to wonder.

I just put a video about it

There is a way to clear 5 lines indeed, and it does award you with a Tetris Plus. I didn't show it because I was focusing on spins, and you can't make an I-spin Tetris Plus, since it require the piece to fall at least one cell after rotating. In the same way, this is not a T-spin double: fumen.zui.jp/?m115@ugB8IeB8BeE8AeH8BeH8BeI8AeD8JeAgHvhDVcf9mf?9rBAAA

No, I woudl've shown it otherwise.

Lilla Oshisaure Oh ok

The true story of Ex.

theyve forgotten about it

In this game it's called a Tetris plus

Because once gravity acts on a piece it is no longer considered a spin

He's possible to make a Tetris Plus.

Because check description.

See description

@@Oshisaure Whoops, my laziness caused me to forget about the description, my bad

check description

Yes you can do a Tetris Plus with this You can make a Tetris Plus in Fusion, by soft dropping the first I piece in a deep well stack of Puyos then harddropping other I piece on the top of the falling I piece

Because what you see as an obvious place for the J to go is actually not tested amongst the 5 possible rotations. This is things like this that makes some people call SRS "unpredictable" or "inconsistent".

@@Oshisaure well i hope they patch that one day because this is bullshit

see description

It's their dropset. It only matters in some puyo modes and in fusion, but this is basically showing what sort of pieces you'll get. 2 dots vertically mean a regular pair, a long oval and a dot mean a group of 3 where the two puyos at the place of the oval are the same colour, two vertical ovals mean a group of 4 puyos with 2 unicolour pairs, and a big dot means a big unicolour puyo that counts as 4

Lilla Oshisaure Thanks a ton! Now if only I played anything but normal Puyo Puyo Tetris battles!

Nah don't worry, not many people play fusion and I'm about the only person to care about party, so unless you play one of those or tiny puyo dropsets don't really matter

and I have an answer in the description

See description

The Tetris community tends to call the piece with a single block "monomino"

Check the description.

I mean im not gonna lie i kinda have a headache now but interesting regardless

Haha thanks, I hope it answered a few questions despite the headaches

In pentomino, yes

Yes.