Q&A #20: Was Jesus a Rip-Off of Serapis? 

A great rebuttal to the mythicists is a short text by a French theologian name Jean-Baptist’s Peres called “Grand Erratum”. It’s an ingenious text in which he satirically makes the case for Napoleon being a mythical figure similar to the archetypal Apollo, mirroring some claims of his contemporaries who held that Jesus was just a composite of other myths. In it he makes the case that Napoleon is just another instance of a “sun god”, his name being derived from that of Apollo, his mother’s name means “sunrise”, he was victorious in the south, but defeated in the north, and he was sent to live the rest of his life in the western seas…. among other things.

You just covered all the different ways Serapis is pronounced so everyone will know who you are talking about - great job!😀

The mooing sound effect was hilarious.

"As such, I ended up pronouncing “Serapis” a dozen different ways, which may be annoying;" Do we win a prize if we find the correct one? Of course, if we get it wrong, we're mythtaken.

New biblical fanfiction: Jesus accidentally reincarnates as a sheep in a American farm and loses hope in humanity and nukes the planet and gives it to the Assyrians. 🤣

As it happens, I was eating popcorn while watching this. It actually does add to the experience of seeing/hearing Dr. Falk calling bull on the Serapis claim multiple times.

Serapis was spoken of as the leader of souls....leading souls to the light and receiving them again....he raises the dead, he will save us after death and we will be protected in his providence

Wow, this is even shakier than Mithraism. It evaporates under the most simple examination. Thanks for the informative and entertaining takedown, Dr. Falk.

Hi Dr. Falk, thanks for another great video. It’s not an area I would normally have interest in, but you always make these topics fascinating. If you have time, could you point me in the right direction for information on the 68AD riot?

I think you should do more videos on atheists like you did with holy Kool-Aid. 👍👍

Dr. Falk, you mentioned another video in the beginning wherein you break down the distinction between claims of ‘plagiarizing’ and literary reference. I could not find that, could you share the name of that video please. My church has the opposite of this issue, oftentimes members and ministers are overly cautious of using ancient religious texts or philosophies in interpreting the Bible because of a fear of slipping into mythicism. A video detailing the distinction between them would be very helpful.

Are you planning to do a video on the use of Egyptian iconography in Canaanite art?

Love the comedic flavoring in this one 🤣👏

Thankyou Dr. Falk. The unnecessary problem of Jesus mythicism is gaining fame through Dr. Richard Carrier (has a paper (2014) in BRILL publishing house and many books in other publishing houses), Robert Price,... Thankyou for clearing the picture.

Great vid, man. Love all your content.

Great job as always 👍👍.

I thought I knew a lot about Egyptian and Greek gods, however I didn’t know about Serapis until I played Assassin’s Creed Origins a few years ago and explored his temple in the game.

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Mythicists have really muddled things up, people are unable to make head or tail of things. I just watched a video yesterday comparing Serapis to Jesus. Thank you for the clarification.

First time seeing someone meme on Mythvision lol Dr Falk is the MVP

Very informative! I love the cow sound effects. lol

Great explanation on point one! I was wondering why depictions of Christ aren't totally in line with Jewish customs and scriptural descriptions that likely could apply to Jesus' appearance. But that makes a lot of sense, being those early artist depictions originate from the Hellenized cultures.

Myth busting. Love it

I Agree with the points you make. Most of the people that say "JeSuS WaS StOlen FrOm PaGaniSm, Ze1tGEIST and Acient AlieNz WUZRIGHT!!!!!!1111" are ignorant about Hellenism and what Alexander did (The he-goat in Daniel 8) or started because he died young. I do think that every ancient god is the same "guy" but is just an updated version of itself and more compatible with the culture cosmetically, and constantly evolving his attributes with syncretism (Paul had is debate with Stoic Philosophers in Acts 17). Baal/Zeus/Osiris/Moloch all had there "bull mode" and I do think that Aaron made the golden calf (or Cherub) by the gods that the Isrealites seen all those generations when being slaves in Egypt. It is know that under Ptolomy 1-2 Manetho was a priest of the Serapis cult and used Serapis as his patron god for political and religious goals. Ptolomy 1 was also worshipped as a god as he convinced the Egyptians that he was somehow related to Alexander after he stole Alexander's corpse on his way back to Macedon for burial. The Egyptians believed that Alexander was the son of Zeus-Amon (already a mixed god) after his visit at the Oracle of Siwa which gave the "right" for Ptolomy to become the first Greek Pharaoh. The book "The oriental cults in Roman Britain" by Eve Harris, they found statues of Serapis and Serpeum's, Serapis/Saturnus in Britain! along with other eastern deities such as Mithra (the bull slayer ;) I firmly believe that the roman catholic version of Jesus is an hellenized version of the real Jesus and paganized all the old gods and Christianised it. The Sacraments/eucharist etc are just the same ancient pagan rituals that Rome Christianised for their own agenda, including the priesthood and the whole papal structure. In ancient cults you had to do these "works" to maintain salvation or being initiated. In Attis cults they ate organs and drank blood to "have communion with Attis" just like the Eucharist, and baptism mentioned in your video. So yeah saying that Jesus is Serapis or some other solar deity is just nonsense! They all try to put down Jesus with these pagan gods, like the Psalmist says in: Psalm 62: 4 They only consult to cast him down from his excellency. Great video!!!!

Dr. Faulk I asked you about this a while ago! I can’t help but think my question had something to do with this! 😳I’m just kidding! 😀Anyway; if you see this post; thank you for making this video!

First! Nice seeing you dude.

Thanks for doing this Truly

Fantastic video. This kind of silliness is a real "boots on the ground" concern for me, because I often encounter young people (especially college students) who fall for the pseudo-intellectual folly of internet mythicists. Much of what I hear from people is just a recycling of arguments about mystery cults demolished a hundred years ago by (among others) J Gresham Machen in *The Origin of Paul's Religion*. But who (besides weirdos like me) are reading hundred year old apologetics books? So the same nonsense confuses another generation of students, and we have to present cogent demolitions of those arguments again. More than that, as scholarship advances, I appreciate the new information that you and other scholars can give. As we learn more about ancient religions and mystery cults, the distance between them and early Christianity is demonstrated to be wider, not narrower. Here's a quote from *The Origin of Paul's Religion* (1921), after discussing Serapis specifically, and then treating of Osiris more generally, and the purported "rising and dying god motif": "In the myth of Osiris also, there is nothing that could be called resurrection; after his passion [that is, death] the god becomes ruler, not over the living, but over the dead. In Lucian's description of the worship of Adonis at Byblos, there is perhaps as clear an account as is to be found anywhere of the celebration of the dying and resuscitation of a god, but even in this account there is not strictly speaking a resurrection. A tendency is found in certain recent writers to exaggerate enormously the prevalence and clarity of the pagan ideas about a dying and rising god." Thank you for pushing the discussion & examination of these matters forward in the 21st century. To skeptic & doubting friends and readers, I encourage you to seek to understand the actual Jewish and Christian doctrine of Resurrection more fully so you won't get sucked into transparently false arguments by self-assured fools. The Old Testament and intertestamental doctrine of the General Resurrection is the starting point for the specific Resurrection of Jesus. The earliest Christian creeds (the Old Roman Symbol, Apostles' Creed, etc.) say that Christians believe *both* that Jesus was raised *and* that we believe in the resurrection of the dead. If you haven't heard of the General Resurrection, you don't have the historical context to understand the meaning of the resurrection of Jesus. Beginning in the earliest Hebrew Bible texts, and taking clearer shape in the later ones, is the promise that God will be the victor over death forever. That victory is accomplished in the judgment and eradication of evil, the renewing of creation, and the resurrection of the dead - some to eternal life on the renewed earth, in bodies no longer subject to death and decay, in the presence of God; and some to eternal punishment away from His presence. The surprise for the earliest Jewish Christians was not that there was a Messiah or a resurrection, but that the promised future resurrection would be accomplished and guaranteed by the death and resurrection of the Messiah. This is literally the oldest and most consistent belief of Christianity. Anyone who thinks they find the root of the Christian belief in the resurrection of Jesus anywhere but in Jewish thought has misread history and should not be your guide for life decisions.

Thank you so much Sir for this expose.. It's very much. Needed..🙏

What source r u using to say serapis was before ptolomy 1 lagi sotor

All praises to The Most High YAHUAH!!! Someone is teaching truth

@c.0:45, is mythcisim a “brand of atheism”? One example to argue “no” is Thomas L Brodie, a mythicist priest who doesn’t believe in a historical Jesus or Paul Other examples for “no” can be seen in some of the early originators of the idea (Lord Bolingbroke and Charles-Francois Dupuis, neither were atheists)

no one wants spider man with Andrew Garfield to be exactly identical to spider man with Toby maguire.

What do you think of Richard Carrier?

You mentioned: Extra biblical testimony healing of Jesus. May I know where can I find sources?

41:57 🌹 facts, Christ be magnified in Truth

Wait a minute , there is a clear depiction of some of the Characteristics of what Yahushua looked liked. Clear

For the claims listed in the 4th minute, it would’ve been useful to provide citations to where mythicists argue those

I am Eastern Orthodox. Speaking of Egyptian religion, wheat are your thoughts on Coptic Christianity??

I feel your pain.

In interviews I've seen you say your a Christian yet at 23:23-23:26 you said "...these 2 myths are not the same." is this a mistake or am I mistaken about you being a christian

I know that you are primarily in egyptologist I came across something recently that maybe you've looked into, it's the reference made in the Dead Sea scrolls and Deuteronomy about Yahweh being a part of an actual Pantheon that was possibly linked to i believe it was a Canaanite religion I could be wrong. Does scholarship really hold that this is the legitimate origin of Judaism does that hold any water as a Christian this kind of disturbs me

Just as the New testament shows Jesus is the new and better Moses I believe some of the borrowings of serapis to be Christianity baptizing culture to show that Jesus is the new and true and better serapis. This is how they did it. Christianity can deny bad parts of culture while baptizing and taking in some of it as its own thats whats beautiful about the church. Its not islam where it eradicates your culture and replaces it with arabic, which they believe to be the superior culture. Glory be to Christ! Great video brother!

Yes I did find the video interesting and fun to listen to!

Dear Dr. Falk, I listened to the whole presentation, and it was very good .... But ..... it was like listening to a good joke and then you failed to deliver the punch line ! So I suppose what you are saying is that the whole Serapis line, is just a bunch of "BULL" !! Be Well, DZ

Can you possibly go over the claim that the Bible gives instructions for a Iron Age Abortion or the claim Judaism doesn't have Sin?

Read more on egypt history . Thanks

I believe this is a strawman of mythicist arguments, maybe scholars are using these 9 points (though you didn’t cite them) but the leading mythicist dr Richard Carrier in his book ‘on the historicity of Jesus’ doesn’t. Could you address the mythicist hypothesis he proposes because I think some of your answers in this video support carrier’s conclusion that Jesus is a syncretic myth of Jewish and Hellenistic influence historicised later?

i have 2 say yes

22:21 🤣

No. Sin isn't "missing the mark." Where dust you get that info?

Had many a belly laugh.

The Greeks never really took over Egypt (Kemit). They blended in and added their own spin on the original spirituality of the Kemites. Sarapus was a contradiction to the kemites' spirituality .

Enjoyed your video but it should be noted that many mythicists are not atheists

is there a relation ship between EL of the Canaanite & EL of Jews ??

Very clear and to me decisive video: no, there is no rip-off by Christians from Serapis. Thanks also for the cool Quadratus quote.

Explain how heru.the sun of god in the original trinity which was allegory became jesus the son of god in christanity in the physical

No he was king esus he had a fancy jug filled with half wine and half water putting your finger over the hole in the handle produced wine and not blocking hole produced water, that's where the water into wine Bible story came from according to Ralph Ellice but he kissed the wall so I'm on the fence ....😏💯

He's definitely totally absolutely without a shred of doubt a rip off of Cesare Borgia.

Really enjoyed your disgust at some of the more ludicrous claims! Thanks.

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Ahhh… BUT… Did Serapis have a donkey and palm leaves. I think that the early Christians did away with all the vestments of religion. 😄

If you study ancient Egypt you will learn the same stories that are depicted in Biblical writing's came from Egypt in northeast Africa. They were written hundreds, if not a millennia before the Bible was written. These stories were stolen, copied and represented under another persuasion to control the masses. I learned most of this happened in the European invasion into Africa. The ancient Africans had it together so to speak. They knew most of these stories were myth, and not literal. Yes, some taught a good moral. I’ve also learned, and continue to, that they were ( mono- One God knowing ) not poly as what has been taught in the western world. True, they spoke of thunder god, rain god, etc. but when you said the one God they knew. Neither did they try to speak for God Almighty, as they had more of a respect for another persons spirituality, than to always try to delegate rules, regulations, or total control of another’s thinking. It seems they respected all to think for themselves, using the mind that God gave them. They ancient Africans were advanced in so many areas of life, not stupid, and unlearned like we were taught in Sunday school class.

So the content of a summary is exempt from being bogus or fraudulent equaling psuedo. your so one dimensional . But I have a question . You like to place labels such as mystics atheist etc.. would you label yourself as a false worshiper due to your belief in jesus

Jesus's depiction is in the Bible or I should say the 1611 King James Bible revelation 1 + 14 his hair is like Lamb's wool his feet whereas the color of brass so dark as if he was burned in a furnace. You said you were a scholar but apparently you speak with your slave masters tongue

Ancient Egyptians didn't have a concept of sin? You a Doctor?

well, no.

Instesd of a psuedo synopsis why not examine the ecumenical councils that entail the evolution of worship.I see no scholarship in this guy's work only prefered observations

Y would every Greek n Roman ruler front 320 bc to 431ad represent themselves as the vicar of serapis

Do you KNOW they was 16th Christs????? Jesus was the last Christ, ALL was Jet-Black Christs.

So i the bible does not describe jesus..Why do we have a white jesus image everywhere....Whereas from Jesus comes from, we know he would not have been a white person

Titus Josephus Flavian created all of these cannons originally which was edited by the council of nicea some 270 years later. And Titus Josephus Flavian of the Herod family of the Judea Maccabee takeover. Used the teachings of the Egyptian historian menethos. Some of us actually study history and know what your cherry picking.

Are we going to forget that serapis is a recreation of Horus the Egyptian mythology. It is just regurgitated twice over with Jesus! Serapis was literally created by the first Ptolemy King. He married his sister to look more Egyptian because she was already married into Egyptian nobility. So you're looking at the Greek version of Horus when you say serapis. And the Roman version of the Greek version is Jesus. Creating the Christ. Julius Caesar proclaiming himself the Christ. Using the Judean historian Titus Josephus Flavian. The first author of the canons of the Christ. The Caesar Christ Messiah. 70 AD fall of Judea. Look it up the book Caesar Christ Messiah. You're selectively cherry-picking revisionist history. To justify people's logical fallacies of belief today in where Christianity was plagiarized from.

Yes he is identical in every way

The Council of nicea in 325 is the council that created Jesus. Don't forget about the all of the 16 crucified saviors. 🤔👍🏾

Jesus (Greek) the Christ. Not Jesus Christ as a first and last name. 🤔😐 Yeshua the Christ. 👍🏾

Ptolomy-1st was a Greek, who ruled Egypt after it was colonized. He wanted to be considered a 'son of god' (with a small 'g'), as the Pharoahs. The Egyptians refused, so he decided to kill them until Coptic Priests, under the threat of death, crowned him, 'Serapis Christus'. That is how the so-called Christian cult started. Later on, Arius of Lybia began to wake people up that they were idolizing and praying to a false-god, a man. That is when Emperor Constantine, who was a pagan, formed the Council of Nicea in 325 AD, where he setup a so-called pope; they created Jesus Christ out of Serapis Christus and a form of Christianity mixed with paganism that people worship to this day (with some adjustments). All theologians, priests, etc., who attended the Council were forced to go along with the BS under the threat of loosing their religious positions (poisons), being ostracized, etc. Arius of Lybia did not comply with the lie, was persecuted and later died mysteriously in 336 AD. Christianity was used to unify the Roman-Greek Empire, conquer and control the world. The so-called Jesus was described in their so-called bible of which was created by the same liars: hair like wool, skin burnt like copper, etc. Read the so-called bible. I am not an Atheist, etc., names that will be thrown at me. I do not be-lie-ve, especially in men who murder others in the name of or for their religion (synonymous for ignorance).

Point number 9. Serapis called themselves christians is probably true because the name comes from the name Serapis Christus (christian). The word christian for true believers was erroneously misplaced in the bible. The true worshippers of Jesus were either called messianics or simply folowers of the Messiah. Not christians. Perhaps the unbelievers were confusing the true believers of the Messiah to the pagan christians of Serapis Christus pagans. Just because believers are called christians in the bible doesn't make it true because the word Messianis or flowers of Jesus was substituted for christian when the bibles were translated. In the Book of Acts it says that it was in Antioch where followers of Jesus were first called Christians by the greeks living in Antioch. Again, in the true scriptures before it was changed it probably said Messianics. Not christians.

Believing that Jesus isn't based on any historical person, doesn't imply that you don't believe in any god. Therefore, mythicism is not a branch of atheism

Regardless to who what and how people have been conditioned by Mens traditions and religions it all gets a concept and some ideals from the Egyptian or Kemetic Mesopotamian history... not saying that the Most high of The Bibilos not true or that yeshua- definitely not no damn Jesus isn't true. I believe yeshua existed but all of the jesus bullspit as well as the New Testament has the Greco-Roman omissions add and subtract and power that comes with who wins the war. Still today Christianity is what it is because of the pagan or SOCALLED pagans that raged war against all those who didn't abide by their Supremacy and commands. I know that's harsh but be real, get out your feelings first you speak of Christ as it's that was last name of someone or even Jesus as if one who walked the Earth name was that that's what a lot of this b******* gets mixed up when you so-called Scholars or researches don't accept damn truth. The word Christian comes from cretin so how in the hell did that get in the Bible by the same ones who won the war they put it there and care less because they knew Christian was a word pagans use for the worshippers of serapis and they were also Bishops of Christ not one apostilar disciple was every damn Christian I'm sorry they were not.. these Christians take a tradition and culture Israelite Hebrews Nazareth and so forth to become Christianity and little Christ Christian that's buls.... these people have always used religion to start War and to bring people together who they have enslaved or Taken laying statues names beliefs from their own establishment ruin people's culture and make it a religion based off the same concepts of doze they destroyed. It just manipulation y'all love to stay within those names and religions so that you don't have to deal with the truth.. Christ mithras serapis Christus and the list goes on and on but that's just a coincidence right and Jesus and Zeus the same damn word basically of course it's not just another coinkydink😂😂 One Love nothing more to say

Jesus is a synthesis of multiple different gods/deities but you’ll never hear it from this apologist liar

What your missing .is that all the characteristics of ealier goods. That's the point. And beautiful know one knows the true ending of Jesus . He made to be God. Foolishness. Your vedio is informative but not important.