“Hey Jamie clip him saying that, post it, and then pull that shit up of him saying it and me telling you to post it and pull it up... It’s time to get meta in this son of a bitch. Damn this weed is good.” - Roe Jogan
pretty much right!? He had his flaws. The 30 for 30 showed me he died a little different than I believed as a kid. But yeah that is about the way you would expect Steven Segal and his skills to be portrayed.
@@admaanhason7410 Bruce Lee was a real martial artist! A philosopher and an actor! He is considered to be the pioneer for what was to become MMA later on! He taught students in martial arts before and after he became an actor! Created a new style of fighting and broke all taboos that were pretty much keeping martial arts in place until then making it possible to advance martial arts in effectiveness. Donny Yen is another actor who is a real martial artist and knows the art of Bruce Lee. Once Donny Yen had a fight with 8 guys in a bar and sent them all to the hospital and he is not even a fraction of Bruce Lee. Enough with this idiotic way of thinking. Just because someone is an actor doesn't always mean everything is an act! To give you more examples Mayim Bialik who plays Amy in the Big Bang Theory is an actual neurologist with a phd in the field! Dolph Lundgren is a black belt in karate and he is also a chemist! Chuck Norris karate world champion. I could give you more but you get the gist...
Well, fortunately for him and everybody else, he fought his fanboy instinct and didn't start a childish argument with Tarantino, losing the audience and Tarantino's respect in the process.
Mac its alright, a 130 pound movie star couldn’t beat up a much larger fictional protagonist green beret. That doesn’t mean enter the dragon wasn’t a good movie.
I feel like if Bruce Lee was alive, he would be secure enough to not make a huge deal about a movie that honestly is the worst movie Tarantino ever made.
Of course Brad Pitt beat Bruce Lee. He used to have his own fight club in a restaurant basement (I shouldn't talk about that) and he was the Irish gypsy fighting champion.
wel bruce had multiple gyms where he tought jet kun do the man developed his own fighting style and he was never beat by annyone,brat pits charc cant say that can he. and its not just that bruce never got beat no1 ever came even close.
Quentin was talking a lot of bullshit then. Bahahahaha if they were in. the jungle man! WTF you on about QT. Love the guy but doesn't know whats up. Bruce Lee wasn't even in Tournaments lol
I definitely picked up the same vibe, especially when he almost cut off Tarantino to chime in. He was itching at the bit to defend Lee a bit but decided against it.
Rogan decided it wasn't worth it because he realized that it's QT and that Tarantino has done his homework on Bruce whereas Joe hadn't. Not many movie makers research more than Quentin when it comes to his movies and the who's and what's going on in them.
It’s well documented that Bruce Lee was an egotist and an A-hole to a lot of people- Tarantino was on point with the portrayal of Lee in the movie, sorry to say. :/
I'm friends with Chuck Rohr. He was Robert Conrad's stunt man for Wild Wild West. They were friends. Chuck says Conrad NEVER did his own stunts, the producers wouldn't let him. Chuck's a little hurt because Conrad himself started the myth that he did his own stunts. Chuck's in his 80's now, he lives in Mt Dora, Florida.
I'm not going to lie , i thought you were just another random internet comment. But you actually check out and legit! Can you please share us some more light? maybe an incident that happened that made your friend chuck say this?
@@dhavs8192 I have coffee with Chuck most mornings at our local McDonald's in Mt. Dora, Fl. He reminisces about his past, he's done a lot of different things including his stuntman profession. We talk about it fairly often and if you're in the area, stop by and say hello.
Goes to show you can't believe anything. Especially Hollywood. Actors are shameless self promoters. I guess you have to be to make it in acting. Who knows what the truth is in Hollywood.
@@ConAir94 He also fought too. He was literally challenged every day by people of all sizes because he was a small Asian man who made a name for himself as a fighter.
Tarantino: “I’m a little hesistant to talk about this because I don’t want this to be the only thing to be pulled from this show.” Joe Rogan: Right JRE- let's make it a clip!
u come up with that all by your own big boy? or is that someone elses thought repackaged for imaginary clout? jw, cause its obvious, n i dont understand why
@@trope5105 u monitoring the comments big boy? if some1 else posted a similar thought, who would had thunk it? jw, cause it's a free world and i dont understand why an accident is rubbing you so bad
Lol shit i didnt even know cliff was fake until i looked it up, tarantino making up a character based off of stories he heard. Seems about right, because that bruce lee in the movie was not accurate. Theres many real fighters and even kareem who trained and got to know bruce has never said anything bad about bruce. Yes he can be cocky but still he is a real good fighter also, not fake.
That book is awesome. Get the book and the Audible so you can read along. I think it was Van Williams who, when discussing Bruce hurting stuntmen, said that they had him direct a scene and shoot it the way he liked - tagging the stuntmen. Then they showed him what he shot and he realized that it looked better when the hits didn't land.
3:01 joe wonders why an Asian man living in 50-60s America perspective was... lol I’m sure Americans were welcoming him with open arms and smiles everywhere he went :)
QT's an asshole making shit up. Living in that era was not the greatest for Asians, got it from everyone, until Martial Arts hit in the 60's. Then it became fashionable to partake in Asian culture. Then whispers of Kung Fu came about, but it was not taught to anyone except Chinese & was not available. Then Green Hornet came followed influx of HK films increased their appetite. Then the Bruce Lee films came and that made the Asians so proud of their heritage instead of trying to be invisible. Amazingly some people just stared at me when I walked in. Their question was, "Do you know KungFu?"
@@RandyFromTheMarsh maybe he's not wrong. He didn't mention a specific top UFC....i mean a RU-vidr with an inflated ego fucked up a top UFC fighter sooooo...😂😂😂
It's a long story and many of you won't believe me anyway. My father trained with Bruce and he always said to me that Bruce was very arrogant. A better word used today would be "cocky". He always treated his students with respect, but if he was challenged or had to demonstrate his talents. Bruce would get very cocky. My father passed away last August and the first thing I asked my mother for was my fathers picture with Bruce Lee, and a membership card from the school signed by Bruce Lee.
@@cornergarageproductions9182 , meaning that to explain how everything came about would be a long story. I could name places, dates and people to help people believe my story. But that would make it too long. That's why I said it was a long story.
I love that scene so much. From a storytelling scene it tells us two things: This isn't "our" history. It's a dark fairy tale like the title suggest. Two, it tells us what we need to know about Cliff. Even if we're upset as Bruce Lee fans, we subconsciously believe that if he can go toe to toe with him, Cliff's a badass. This scene literally sets up the entire last act and a half of the film.
He can't go toe to toe with him though. It's total BS. Bruce is actually faster than what was depicted in the film. Tarantino literally made Bruce look like a clown
lmao you're living in fantasy land but you know maybe bruce lee could dodge a lightning strike because he was so fast. maybe he was fast enough to never get hit. maybe he was fast enough to do parlour tricks and never take part in a real fight @@martinigasolini4062
@@martinigasolini4062 As Tarantino has said, if he decides that Cliff can beat up Bruce Lee, then Cliff can beat up Bruce Lee. Bruce is a real person, Cliff is a Hollywood fiction. Of course he can beat up Bruce Lee, because he isn't operating within reality. I don't even understand what you are talking about. The Bruce Lee in the movie could have been twice as fast, twice as strong, twice as smart and so on as the real Bruce Lee and Cliff would have still beaten him, because that is how it was written. You are not, to my mind, making any damn sense. To me it sounds like you are just going: This is BS, no one can beat up my childhood hero!
“ I’m hesitant to talk about this because I don’t want this to be the one thing people pull from this show” Joe uploads a small clip of this one thing. 🤣😂😭
Quentin: The reason why I didn't want to talk about it is so that someone doesn't just take THIS and make a thing out of it. Joe: Jamie, crop that clip of Quentin talking about Bruce Lee.
The backstory of Cliff is that he fought with the Filipino resistance. I think you should Google that rebel group then watch the end and what Tarantino says about Bruce seeing the stance and realizing what it was. Its for Killing. Not Tagging. If Cliff got a hold of Bruce as a much bigger man and as a distinguished jungle Guerilla warfare combatant with of The most distinguished allied rebel group of world war 2 I'd say it's very plausible if Cliff got a hold of Bruce he would not survive 9/10 times and I love Bruce. Sorry.
So glad I came across this interview with Tarantino, I always wondered what the actual story was behind the scene where Cliff fights with Bruce Lee, it's the one scene that always sticks out in my head when I first think of "Once upon a time in Hollywood". Some redeeming facts here about Lee and maybe why he was replaced by David Carradine in the series "Kung FU"?
It kinda sucks that Jaime or whoever decided to pull this clip for RU-vid. There was so much more interesting stuff in this interview, prob my favorite since the Spotify nightmare began
Pretty sure that everyone that’s on the Bruce Lee side of things can’t stand what QT has to say. If this topic was never discussed, literally no one would watch any of the interview.
@@mikobel7131 The people getting all mad at QT and trying to cancel him for his portrayal of Bruce clearly don't know much about film history and also have not watched enough Hong Kong martial arts films from the 70s to know just how much the very same industry that made him into a legend would go on to exploit his legacy and make a complete mockery of Bruce all for a quick buck, there was a genre of Kung Fu movies called Bruceploitation where Hong Kong and even some Hollywood directors would cast stunt men who kinda looked like Bruce in films and market them as authentic Bruce Lee films after his death....not to mention how he was made into a caricature in an episode of Dragonball where Goku beats him up, in many video games like Fei Long in Street fighter, Law in Tekken and even Donnie Yen from the Ip Man films made a movie recently called Enter the Fat Dragon where he plays an overweight caricature of Bruce Lee....so these Bruce Lee cultists who outraged at QT should go do a little bit of research, their god has been mocked many times before you're just not aware of it....I'm a huge Bruce Lee fan myself but fuck do some people worship him to the point of it being a religion where they make him out to be some kind of flawless super human when he didn't even view himself that way nor did he make all the claims that people make of him
@@cyborgchicken3502 this has nothing to do with being a cultist. It’s about portrayal of an icon that, to your point, launched an entire industry of film in his image. Albeit a strong portrayal/caricature. I don’t know who QT talked to but he basically ignored people that was in Bruce Lees circle and knew him best. Yes, the movie is fictitious but just because you can do an asshat portrayal of him doesn’t mean you should. QT dug in on his belief that Bruce Lee is an ahole no matter what people tell him. Even when his family tells him that what he did was shitty.
In the book, “Bruce Lee” written by Bruce’s first JKD student Jesse Glover he wrote, “Bruce believed that there is always someone who can beat you in a fight if the circumstances are right and that to walk around thinking that you can’t be beaten is a foolish mistake that can end your life. unfortunately, this isn’t a popular concept in the minds of many martial arts people. the path that Bruce followed was to live each day with the knowledge that he could be defeated by an expert or novice at any given time.”
@@sylvester465 khabib, andre ward, Lomachenko when hes not injured, and more impressively, bruce lee who had most american black belt and pro strikers and wrestlers after him especially at a racist time in America and knowing he hadn't been beaten while going around beating teachers in every dojo he got into which was all bare knuckle
I feel like this interview missed the mark. The controversy wasn't that Cliff hurt Bruce. The controversy was the level to which Bruce was portrayed as an ignorant blowhard.
I think Tarantino is implying his justification for such portrayal by explaining the nature of the characters. He's basically saying, "it's not that he's a tool, but more like a phony, he is no killer and others shouldn't be sucking his dick so much"
I've heard Tarantino's beliefs (and they are like a religion to him because he's a zealot who thinks he's never wrong) about Bruce Lee. I loved his portrayal of Bruce Lee BECAUSE if the real Lee were alive today, he would laugh at the irony of the character. Lee was fascinated with boxing, and stated over and over that a professional boxer would kill him (Lee) effortlessly. Lee loved working with Gene LaBelle because Gene was a master grappler and Bruce wanted to learn as much about it as he could. Lee loved trading ideas and working with all the stuntmen. The only ones he ever fought with were in China because they would challenge him. Here's the ultimate irony: Lee used what he learned in the States to beat the hell out of those Chinese challengers. Every account is how Bruce would tie them up in a clinch (grappling taught by Westerners) and pummel them until they gave up. Tarantino thinks and tried to portray Lee as a man who believed Kung-Fu was invincible and believed he was invincible. The real Lee was eager to learn and recognized the realities of fighting.
@@jonb2756 Both! You are well aware that the movie is comedy right? Bruce learned Taijiquan from his father, WT from Yip Man, was in Taekwondo and boxed matches at School BEFORE he went to the states! So the comment above is absolute Bull like Tarantinos making fun of a dead man is 1000x Bull and UFC fans stating Bruce couldnt fight ia in the same league when Jonny Roid Jones is actually using Bruces JKD knee kick 😂 Only lames diss a dead person and there they are all the same.!
@@jonb2756 well how do you know what the guy or the movie state is real? So you confront me with the logic you dont use for the negative side? Pretty weird! You ll have to ask the schools, dead Yip Man and Bruces dad if they photoshopped their pics before 1970! Very simple dont you think. Thx!
That's crazy! It makes so much sense now! Jackie Chan told the story several times about how Bruce Lee hit him on set and after the scene was over Bruce went up to Jackie and started apologizing like crazy and felt so bad for hitting him! Chinese stuntmen are prepared for getting hit for real by accident, but the difference in culture is that American stuntmen are not prepared to get hit, intentional or accidental. That might be why Bruce was so irritated by American stuntmen is because they complained about it whereas it's in the job description for Chinese stuntmen. You can even watch older movies and see how much of a gap there is between fighting contact in American movies, but a lot of Asian movies you can see the stuntmen or actors actually getting tagged especially when they use the white powder to dramatize the contact effects.
@@davidmayberry3190 Exactly it's a fake person. This fake person is a killer and can fight. lol people are mad that fake people can win in fake scenarios. lol smh
@@Numenorean921 I mean he was about 135 pounds but jesus a kick in the face in a street fight is a shocking thing to see, I mean you just dont expect it in really life outside a bar etc. Have to give a really good kicker the advantage I think
This reminds me of Bruce Lee killing Chuck Norris in the Way of the Dragon. Made me wonder how Americans viewed him after killing their hero. So I don't blame Tarantino for being a jackass.
@@fatimalobi6382 LOL Way of the Dragon was Chuck's debut in movies. Chuck Norris was a nobody prior to that movie. Nobody knew him or followed him. Bruce Lee launched Chuck's career and made him relevant.
Joe turns into Brendan around people he's made fun of when they weren't there, I cringe whenever he has a ex wwe star (undertaker comes to mind), he acts like he hasn't shit on there entire industry a 100 times 🤣
@@Rozza2k He's a professional shit talker, he's talked shit about everyone at some point. Real people can handle that and still converse. Also wrestling is fake.
This reminds me when Joe had Bas Rutten on the show and they were discussing something similar. Bas had remarked that someone had told him that he’d be handicapped in a street fight cause there are no rules. Bas’ response was, “What, you think I can’t fight without rules? If anything, I’d be MORE dangerous.”
@Miguelits Milton Lmao the worst UFC fighter will whoop the best non-MMA trained Navy SEALs’ ass. It doesn’t matter if you’re “militarily trained”, if u have no background in striking, wrestling or submission you’re gonna lose every time.
The interesting state of stuntmen in America, vs stuntmen in China, is wholely due to standards in cinema built up over the years. Can't remember if it was Buddy Holly (edit: wasn't Buddy Holly, memory somehow blurred his name over Buster Keaton for all the insane stunts he pulled back in the day, *LOOK HIM UP SOME TIME!),* or an even older actor (after silent movies, but before movies in color), but there was a scene where the actor (playing a bank robber) rounds the corner and narrowly avoids a hail of bullets from the police, as they shoot up a wall right beside him. It goes off less than a foot away from his face, and it was done before "special effects" were really a thing, so it was _actually someone firing a tommy-gun at him!_ Needless to say, the actor wasn't thrilled. They tightened up on safety regulations, for the protection of both actors and stuntmen. I'm sure, as the way these things go, it started off light and got more strict along the way, but by the time Bruce Lee came over to start working (China doesn't have the same rules in making movies) he probably looked at what was required of himself, as a stuntman, and what American stuntmen are tasked with doing, and found the comparison as a sort of, *"IN **_MY_** DAY,* we had to walk *FIVE MILES* in the snow for a stuntman job! *UPHILL! **_BOTH WAYS!"_* Jackie Chan tells a story from his stuntman days back home. He was hesitant to raise his hand for a scene where they needed a bunch of dudes to ride horses for a shot. Everyone but him rides off, and a few minutes later just the horses came back. When he looked, it was just a field of dudes laying in the field with broken arms and legs. I don't agree with Bruce, but I understand how he developed such a high standard for being a stuntman. The harder they go, the better the film looks, and in America (too Bruce), we're like, "Don't actually beat the guy whose job it is to take a beating, in place of the actor!"
@@nicholasmuro1742my memories have bled together terribly, on this one. Not sure why the names were changed, but the actions were the same. I thought Buddy Holly was a big name in actors unions, but I know they began to form in 1913 and did so in the face of thrilling action scenes being *REAL AS ALL HELL!* Dudes actually having guns fired at them, trains barreling down on them, buildings falling down around them. I think Buster Keaton somehow blurred into Buddy Holly, because of all the stunts he did (seriously, check out _any_ of his old works, they are time well spent, and all that he's doing in them is 100% happening , he is in _very real_ danger!!!) But, also, Buddy Holly was an actor AND a singer, unless my memory is failing me once more
@@adityakhandelwal9255 speak to text is amazing. Phone wrote it, I dictated it and then did a terrible job proofreading it. Bro commented about a useless comment on RU-vid ☠️
Bruce Lee had Bob Wall strike at him with a broken bottle over and over until he was stabbed in the hand by the bottle and had to stop filming until the wound healed
When did he act like he wasn't though? He has to spell it out for you? Q already seen the episode where joe talks about it. You're confusing you not knowing how to have a conversation with joe lying
@@LookzA him and a schaub debated it, if I remember right joe didnt like the portrayal, Schaub thought it a funny scene, and realistically didnt hurt Lee's image, being such a venerated figure in martial arts.
@@tobe1207 he literally said that he had a huge problem with the scene on a previous episode with Brendan Schaub from about a year ago. I'll find the link
Pretty sure I have heard several interviews of Jackie Chan talking about Bruce kicking and punching a lot of the Chinese stunt people so I could see Bruce being that way in America and not even thinking anything was wrong with it.
No , this is not the whole story , Bruce Lee did fight with other actors and stuntman because those people are bullies , Bruce Lee in real life is a kind person.
Interesting breakdown on Bruce's attitude toward stuntman; Jackie Chan was one in Fist of Fury and Chan tells the story of Bruce tagging him and being apologetic over the shot. Jackie Chan has also been critical of Western stuntman; maybe it's a cultural thing.
Those Kung Fu films are crazy though and seems to have very relaxed safety regulations. Corridor crew has done some videos reacting to Kung Fu stuntmen
I think it more of a perfection thing Jackie and Bruce would do take after take to get the scene right American stuntmen back in the day where more of a one take can and lets go to lunch kind of guys. This didn't fly with Jackie and Bruce who wanted a perfect product and who can blame them their work and fight scenes became their legacy so in the long run they where right.
but with Jackie Chan, he literally broke his fucking nose and even Jackie Chan said himself that was the hardest he's ever been hit in his whole career
Quentin is an absolute genius, his work in Movies like “Pulp Fiction” & “Reservoir Dogs” is cinematic genius & will be admired, enjoyed & praised long after Quentin is gone. Quentin is & always will be regarded as a legendary American movie maker.
@Shadow Man Because if you're bringing over Chinese to do martial arts in a film where they're KNOWN for a very specific style of combat and engagement, then it's going to be standard for them to employ what THEY KNOW in your film. Otherwise, hire Americans.
@Shadow Man cool. What you said was Bruce should respect the norms of the country he's in. Fair. However, he made movies utilizing a Chinese martial art. And since that aspect of Chinese culture is central to those movies, maybe the people that want to be involved should respect Chinese culture and not cry about it. Otherwise dont take part.
I've also heard that a lot of stunt men in Hong Kong constantly complain about Donnie Yen being arrogant. When it comes to Jackie Chan, Sammo and Yuen Biao I've never heard any complaints about them when they train with foreign stuntmen or stuntmen from Hong Kong.
Great story, but how do you think Bruce would have done against an Olympic wrestler of that time? Mustafa Dağıstanlı was the Gold medalist at 140 lb summer 1960. Dude looks rugged. Chiseled from steel. I think Carlson Gracie was around out then too. Bruce was fun to watch because this Kung Fu lore had become a film genre. No martial artist can jump from table to table and then up onto a balcony 15' above the table (with a sheet metal wobble). But this was the most fun thing they did was stretch reality during the fight scenes. The sound effects were epic. What Quentin did with "Kill Bill" was so awesome in this respect. He sewed all that lore into a great story. I loved the sound effects during the fight scenes. I swear I heard a cheesy bowling pins strike when a table fell in "Kill Bill". That was so cool. I love Pai Mei beating Black Mamba's ass without empathy and then Elle Driver is just so grimy she poisoned his fish heads. "That's right! I killed your master!" And then SNATCH! Daryl Hannah Vs. Umma Thurman's character fight was epic.
I always wondered if, when Tim Kennedy was fighting, if any of the fighters he faced looked across the ring and said, this dude could legit kill me in a real world situation
He should've apologized cause in real hand to hand combat with no Madison Square garden rules Bruce was even better he would've killed any ww2 vet or whoever. Bruce was the best Martial Arts expert on the fucking planet QT doesn't know shit
in China, it was expected that the stuntmen took the hit and didn't complain about it whereas in the states, they tried to avoid getting hit if possible. That's why he was tagging them. It's what was expected from the stuntmen in his culture. Jackie Chan talked about it also and how he had to adapt to it bc he use to be a stuntman.
All these complaints about how stuntmen felt is a bit rich coming from Quentin Tarantino. He paid no attention to Uma Thurman's worries about a stunt scene in Kill Bill. He fobbed her off and convinced her he'd ensure it would be safe. But it wasn't safe, and led to a serious car crash. Tarantino endangered Uma Thurman's LIFE, and she's been left with long-term neck and knee injuries as a result of working with him.
@@GMBethHarmon QT isn't complaining, he's explaining his portrayal of Bruce Lee based on Bruce Lee's actual behavior. This comment disproves nothing. It's possible for QT to be a scumbag and be correct about BL being an asshole.
He accidentally hit Jackie Chan who tells about how he ran over to him and comforted him. And it only happened because he moved from where he was told to stay. Tarantino is a piece of shit.
@@sabbracadabra8367 Exactly. Where did he get this made up information? From jealous fucks who hated how great Bruce was. If trashatino had done any research, he would've known Bruce was literally training like a killer.
And it was Cliffs memory too 💁🏽♂️ obviously his perspective is gonna be at least somewhat different from the “truth” in the movie and/or Bruce’s perspective in the movie
@@jdailey01230 not the whole movie but that scene… it starts out with cliff leaving the movie set and going back to Ricks to fix a antenna or satellite on the roof and then he has a flashback to the Bruce Lee incident
The sad thing was that Bruce Lee could not respond to that controversy. Perhaps Mr Tarantino should learn more about Bruce Lee from Bruce Lee's friends and family.
Didn’t know my gay friend wanted me till he came out. Then i beat him and fracture his cheek bone and knock out 3 teeth for winking at me and it’s a “hate crime” i cannot stand this new PC world.
For a director and film producer I don't believe Quentin didn't know the difference between American and Asia stunt filming at the time. Asia has a lot more physical contact in their filming to create that realism and most stuntmen and actor accepted and agreed to it. In James Bonds Tomorrow never dies - Michelle Yeoh said in a interview the western producers wanted her to work with her own team because of her former work. The fight scene was more intense than originally planned and they did it in far less takes because the team know and trust each other. Bruce Lee at his time wanted that same impact and effect in his western movies which western stuntmen didn't like or want. A lot of the Asian stuntmen including Jackie Chan who worked with Bruce Lee knew and expected it. If you ever grew up watching 70s, 80s & 90 Asian martial arts movies, a lot had outtakes at the end showing injury's and failed stunts from all members of the team as a way to show the world, "look everyone we did this for you". 😊
Actually he did. Which was the point he was making. Bruce Lee's treatment of American stuntman, who weren't as prepared and trained the way HK stuntman were, shows his lack of concern
Not only that in asian movies the stuntmen would not get paid unless their scene made it past editing n onto the big screen. So they would offer a stuntman $500 let me tag u to make it look good n u get paid from the film studio...so they would do it bcuz thats a guaranteed pay day. Quintin has to know that but wont tell joe to make lee look like a douche.
@@omarlives Not to look like a douche, he just thinks it is being unprofessional. Personally I love Bruce Lee’s movies way more than our Western baloney but eh what are you gonna do. I also find it funny that all of the Stuntmen hated Bruce Lee but is still one of the most well known action stars to this day lolllll.
LeBell said, “I went and worked out with [Lee] at his school. I taught him judo and wrestling and stuff like that and some finishing holds which he later worked into some movies, and he showed me most of the kicks and striking which even today I use in the movies. A wonderful, wonderful man and a great martial artist.”
That's what leans me towards thinking he was actually a decent guy, Lebell doesn't seem to me to be a guy that would suffer fools gladly and if Lee had been a dick he'd 100% of said that.
He is a terrible director, Jackie Chan a stunt man who work with Bruce said something totally different, after being hit hard he was very apologetic, which means tarantino has no idea what he's talking about
Who else could hear "Holy fucking dog shit man , hilarious , I remember back in the day , a buddy of mine , a coke dealer used to be an asshole too , they're out there Joe " JOE : I came to that realization on dmt , unbelievable .
I had heard that stuntmen refused to work with Lee in the Hornet, as Tarantino explains. The Cliff character represented a stuntmen who did work with Lee, but fought him in a real fight and defeated Lee. They then became good friends and the stuntmen showed Lee wrestling moves that Lee then incorporated into his own martial arts. Lee was continuously learning and adapting fighting techniques from all different avenues. He cared not where it originated, as long as it was effective. Watch his movies in the early 70s and you will see wrestling moves where his earlier movies had no such techniques. This is where Lee became the best of the best, by never standing still. Always innovating, updating, and ... mastering.
It's pretty common in Hong Kong cinema to actually hit stuntmen for real. Even until very recently. Donnie Yen pays guys extra to let him knock them out for film. KNOCK OUT. Not just hit.
I can’t overemphasize how much I love Bruce Lee.. Did my media research year-long project on the man in college. That being said, the scene was PERFECT. QT gets it.
It’s a shame the clip ended when it did. When he talked about “cliff” being this ex army killer making it out how he’s kill Bruce was utterly fucking absurd. I really wasn’t to hear what Joe said back to him because it’s clear that Tarantino is very misinformed and uneducated, like a lot of people, about what Bruce was actually doing. He wasn’t doing origami ffs.
I’m not military but I am a Bruce lee fan but don’t take what he said as being far from the truth, the mentality of a spec ops soldier from people I’ve met and studied is not something that even Bruce would want to go up against in a WARTIME setting. it’s not just a mentality of kill or be killed they live that life on a daily basis for years. Bruce would without question be the underdog in a 1v1 wartime situation I’ve boxed and done martial arts for years so it’s not like I’m speaking about something I know nothing about. So don’t pretend that just because soldiers didn’t learn traditional arts that he would roll over any of them. Quite the opposite to be honest.
this whole thing was like listening to the one 12 year old with goggles and a pastel shirt in your middle school talk about how his Sonic OC that he drew on a napkin could totally beat up the Avengers
@Chris Tasse I'm sure he cares about his characters. A lot. But as insane as Tarantino is, I don't think he actually believes they are real. Or at least I hope not. lol
And for that and a lot more he is a great director, thats why you fall in love with any character of his movies It does not matter whether they are the bad or the good ones, that important portion of realism on his scenes is what makes it magnificent, see di caprio's scene in django for example ppl realize it which is considered one of the best scenes of all time
Ppl forget that Bruce use to fight for his life I’m the streets of Hong Kong where many boys his age where joining gangs and dying. Bruce knew what real danger was that’s why he trained the way he did to prove that at any moment.
I've watched quite a few, Bruce Lee interviews. I don't remember hearing Bruce Lee talking negatively about any form of Martial Art or any another Martial Artist.
@@AngryBanan4 Being in front of the camera is irrelevant. This was when the world didn't know much about martial arts so Bruce was introducing it to us. He did talk doen in Japanese martial arts like Karate which makes sense on how he explains it.
Full circle what the white people say is the truth... That is the truth.. I mean there are multiple sources even Americans that say the opposite of what they say he was here... Remember that back then Hollywood was not shy with being Racist.. And everyone who knows Bruce he was a very intelligent and educated man. He even admired Muhammed Ali saying "I've never in my life seen a man that big and heavy (he actually said the right numbers I don't know them :p) that could jump around the arena like that for 15 Rounds and could keep going" Jackie chan tells a story where Bruce actually hit him with a nunsaku in a movie scene and keept on going as a professional and when they yelled cut.. He goes straight towards Jackie chan apologetically. So I mean... I rather believe these other sources than creepy Hollywood people... Chuck norris has also only said nice positive thing about him (his personality)
Quentin is great!He's so knowledgeable about movies,shows and Hollywood in general.Yeah,even though i too,love Robert Conrad from "The Wild,Wild West",I did hear that about him.But in books I've read and seen pictures of him laughing and posing for pictures with his stuntman crew.
Yeah Jacky was in Enter the Dragon and Fist of Fury. He wasn't beaten up by him. He accidentally caught him and apologised profusely afterwards. Sammo Hung and Bruce had a REAL fight. To this day Sammo wont talk about it
Why wouldn't he? He was a stuntman. He was never a fighter. There is zero fighting in any of his movies they're all stunts. If you tried that for real you'd get killed. And i liked his movies. I don't know him as a person. But i don't like how he appears to be selling out to the CCP but he probably has no choice because he has family in China. I wouldn't blame him for that. If i lived in China i wouldn't oppose the CCP because they'll kill you and not even think twice.
"Jackie Chan's Early Role with Bruce Lee" ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-uUs9CsCyLFM.html "Enter The Dragon Stuntman Rue The Day He Challenged Bruce Lee’s Jeet Kune Do" ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-D6KJ7EDrOgE.html This debunks a lot of what Quentin Tarantino said. Bruce looked after his stunt men, even after he beat them up in challenge or accident hurt them during a stunt shot.
@@Sernival Didn't Bruce Lee have to fight at lot of racism in the west? Even after he worked really hard and made name for himself. It was AMERICAN PRODUCERS and Stuntman who apparently stole his idea and show The Kung Fu Show? Imagine having American Producers and American Stuntmen pretend to befriend you to pick your brain for a show pitch, teaching them Eastern Martial Arts and philosophy. When really nobody else would. Only to be backstabbed and idea completely whitewashed with little to no respect the source material and no compensation or credit?
@@terat1227 I think Tarantino's disregard and ignorance about Bruce Lee is to blame. I think it's the other way around - I don't think the American stuntmen respected HIM, this "short, Chinese guy" that no one ever heard of prior to The Green Hornet, and he probably felt he had to earn their respect. Tarantino usually does a lot of research, but he misquotes Polly's book and twists things around. Disappointing, but what can you do?
Really sucks cause I like QT but he really struck a nerve. If he was a fan he wouldn’t have done it. But since he dislikes the Lee family and their version of the story. He goes out of his way to steal from Bruce(yellow jumpsuit) and makes a caricature of his image. While Bruce at the time had to endure racist Hollywood, in the future his family has to endure this. Not standing with QT. I still couldn’t finish the film after the Lee scene. This sucks. I like them both. But I stand with the Lee family. You don’t write the iconic character of Bruce Lee into your film and do him dirty like that. Not just the fight scene, but the way he’s portrayed is disrespectful to any real martial arts fan. F%#! that guy.
Leyend has it that Quentin Tarantino is still talking (this time all by himself) how Cliff could beat Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris, Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson, Gregor O'Connor, Superman, all the Avengers, Thanos, Goku, and the bear from that DiCaprio movie where he won the Oscar...
@@changingslow I can only speculate that he had more respect for the higher level of punishment asian stuntmen performed at. American stuntmen have always been outstanding in their own right but asian stuntmen take it to another level in general.
Which proofs that Bruce also used to hit Chinese stuntmen aswell, not just Americans. He wanted the fights to look realistic. And that is why stuntmen are paid for, btw.
