Love that they knew positive reinforcement wasn’t working and found a trainer who understands dog behavior and not afraid to lead the dog properly. Also, Princey was the best boy around this scared dog 👑 I love the placement reinforcement you tried using. The way you desensitized him was awesome. His tail was tucked under him so much. Poor fella. He’s in good hands with you Joel.
@@martonk5122 nowhere in the video did it say the owners tried to train their dog with force and fear. No need to throw out salacious allegations about a situation you know nothing about. They should do the board and train with Joel who understands dogs like no other dog trainer.
@@martonk5122mine became fearful ever since we brought him home and he was supposedly socialized. It’s been over a year and the only methods that work are Beckmans.
100%! I fully believe that it's all about making the dog face the fear, just like you would do with a child or with yourself. You can't spend your life being afraid of things and you can't spend your life coddling others for those fears. You will never become stronger and more confident if you're fearful.
100%; i have had over 35 foster dogs and most of them are afraid of the stairs. In the beginning, I tried the positive reinforcement bs and realized it was silly and took too long. Now i just drag the dog's butt up and down the stairs and by the 4th roundtrip time they realize the stairs are not going to kill them and they go up and down the stairs with no issues. Takes about 2 days. They also learn to follow your lead and trust that you will not do anything that will hurt them.
@robin212212 I had something similar with a foster dog who was afraid to get into a car. After trying to lure her in with chicken and realizing it was not going to work, I just ended up opening both doors and then taking hold of her at the head end while I had a friend gently touch her on the rear which made her bolt into the car. I then took her back out and went back in over and over again until she realized there was nothing scary and then I gradually closed one and then the other till Zhe was okay being inside.
Beckman's is by far where I've learned the most about canine behavioural psychology, Joel is a phenomenal teacher. I really hope to do the mentor program in the future. Even without I owe lots to this channel I use his videos for my clients I end up needing to do online!
Different. Beckmann is a better teacher, he is not more knowledgeable with problem dogs. They are both great at re-socializing these dog and communicating with them.
Cesar Milan does things I’ve never seen anyone do but he’s not able to convey to the layman how to do what he does. Joel is at that level but he’s able to coach the average or even low IQ person how to do what he does well enough without needing a full degree so that we can utilize it that knowledge
@@TheBehm08 People learn differently. Cesar Milan is very good at showing you what to do. He is less skilled at explaining why it works. Beckmann is a more versatile teacher. He’s can cover more ground and teach a wider variety of people. Since he is very good at both showing you way to do. Explaining how to do it and why it works.
14:14 interesting to see Joel moving his hands casually and the dog noticed out the corner of their eye then went a little jumpy. Good stuff Joel and glad the owners are on a path to change early.
"the method they were told to do is a weak, we-can-never-have-a-dog-feel-any-stress-in-its-life method....I'm over people spending time and money on methods that don't work, because the positive [only] reinforcement folks are SCARED HUMAN BEINGS" well said Joel
When we got our first dog I was so indoctrinated in the positive reinforcement method of training and it drove me crazy because it didn’t work. It wasn’t until we took a tough stance on him that we saw a positive change in him
When we got in horses that were afraid of people we would put them in the stall closest to the busy door. They would startle and try to hide in a corner every time someone came thru the door, every few minutes. Flinch, hide, flinch, hide. Usually after three days or so their little brains said, "Hmm. You did not die. It must be ok." And they'd stop having the fear reaction. It's called "flooding." People, animals, need to face their fears.
Yes. & The old way of doing that method that the r+ trainer used, at least with horses is to reduce the distance to the scary object until it induces enough tension but not a freak out. Then wait until the animal calms enough. Then get closer, rinse and repeat. You can do that method in the same way as Joel is doing this method here. Or like a milder sack out. It's basically the same, just different for each dog or horse. Joel does it right, and with a different dog might have gone with a different intensity and timing. There's an art to knowing how much tension will lead to positive results with different animals on a lead. And all of it is flooding. Flooding done right is very effective in building confidence.
This method helped me a lot in getting my dog into a bathtub. When I first brought my dog home, he was afraid of the white slippery bathroom. It took like a month of constant reinforcement to get him comfortable being in it, and it only worked because I eventually got bored and just locked myself with him in the bathroom for an hour until he loosened up and started sniffing around. The day after, there were no more problems with the bathroom, but the bathtub was a whole new beast. Jumping into it isn't comfortable, it's even more slippery and scary. So again, a lot of positive reinforcement and slow progress later, the deciding factor became calmly reeling the dog into the bathtub with a leash and telling him there's nothing scary about it. Look and behold, my buddy is now jumping into the bathtub without command if I ever need to wash his feet after a muddy walk.
How to troubleshoot your dog 12:11- "with dog training you have to take out variables" Good stuff! gotta think outside the box sometimes not feed the dog treats. That doesn't work with every dog and done at the wrong time you could accidentally reinforce the behavior youre trying to remove or lessen.
13:15 You really know how to walk the fine line of not pushing a dog too far. The slow approach to pet him, followed by the respect of boundaries and trust with a new friend is beautiful to watch. Your ability to stay so calm too, I do the same thing with my shoulders. He even looked up at you for direction and reassurance after it. 😎🤙
Love it! Few dog trainers have the backbone to try this approach. There are so many people who coddle dogs like that. Thanks for sharing this! I’ve been fortunate to own a couple of dogs like Prince who are so stable and who are capable of this. Sometimes dogs just need to learn from other dogs, under the right conditions. Well done.
Love it. Sweet dog. Thank you Joel. Remember you saying that fear is difficult to handle. This is a good example. I have a fearful dog & this session is super validating. I learned dealing with fear is constantly negotiating a difficult line of understanding but tough love with lots of easy-breezy jollying along. Owners of these dogs need unlimited calm steady energy in the face of doggy freak outs, and to prepare themselves for set-backs (without thinking they failed). All the best to these folks 👍👍👍.
I really appreciate your videos and how you explain yourself. The only thing I hate are labels for dog trainers. 'Positive reinforcement, aversive, balanced'(not saying that's what you were saying, just my thoughts on the mater) It shouldn't mater what we are called, we are all the same when it comes to what's best for our dogs! You show and explain this very well in this video. I like how you address the positive reinforcement, but don't put it down and say it's bad. I try to use positive reinforcement as much as I can unless I see it's not gonna get me anywhere in a reasonable amount of time. I use quite a few of your methods with certain harnesses (not the easy walk harness personally for many reasons) and add treats into the mix if the dog likes them for an extra leg up. (I personally don't like prong collars and e-collars but to each their own) Just as a question though, I see all these big dogs on all majority if not all your videos, have you ever gotten the chance to deal with smaller dogs with behavior problems? Such as chihuahuas, dachshunds, or any other small dog breeds that are notoriously hard to train and/or just more physically sensitive in general?
It's basically Cesar Millan's "Fight, Flight, Avoidance and Submission routine where the dog is either going to fight, try to get away, avoid or submit to the fear.
So good. Here, once again, is where purely positive methods don't really work. That dog will be at least a little better for the rest of its life because of this one session with Joel.
Teaching the owner about the circle of trust is important because it's uncomfortable and is crucial to independence and interdependence. This is insecure and codependent behavior. Which is hard for people to learn and teach a dog.
Thank you for all you do. May I say something about you out in the rain makes you look even more like one of the Avengers!! 😂 Seriously, though, you have helped me and mine tremendously!! God bless.
THANK YOU! we have a very stubborn husky 1.5 year old who is leash reactive, flys out the door and hates small dogs. Doing your pop trick on the leash and the harness was not working for her, we think because she thinks it a game. We got a gentle leader, tried it out for the first time and she's acting 80% better already. Thank you!
Fun fact maybe, I actually owned the litter mate of one of the dogs on GoT. Met her as a puppy before she was picked up or at least so said the breeder. Love these videos. Keep up the amazing work
I've been doing a similar method for a long time but I do "back and forths" while slowly bringing the dog closer to my side. It's cool seeing similar methods being used. I also have a Catahoula who is my version of Prince.
This is 100% our 1.5 yr old rescue. I’ve been using your methods and he is getting better. My issue is finding friends willing to do the force method. He has let a few people give him treats and he will sniff them and get close to them for a few seconds. I worry that he will never get past his fear of people.
My fearful street rescue's trainer was also the type to say 'the only way for a dog to overcome their fear is to face it', and after so many months of making her face all the scary stimuluses on her walks she is a great dog now (although still afraid of men, hats and masks)
Statistically speaking, fear based aggression increases after neutering. That seems like it’s even more likely when you neuter a dog so young. Imagine a large animal not being allowed to have the hormones needed to grow strong, castrate him, remove his hormones, prevent him from going thru puberty, and then being shocked when he has anxiety and fear issues. Thanks for helping him. Perhaps this is his temperament and would have happened regardless. I just wish people would give their dogs a chance to grow up before castrating them.
Better to wait until at least one year for males but not terribly bad. It can create a bad mentality to some things as that's literally amidst a fear period. But not much it's just better to wait until 1 year at the minimum
Hi, so this is flooding, and the dog did not learn to be any learn to be ant less fearful than when the "training" (can hardly call it that) started. You can see it in his body language by the end (tail tucked, whale eyes and blinking (blinking is a way to say "hey, i don't want to fight")). What they said the force-free trainer said to do is actually on the right track. But instead of just inching closer, the entire point of the technique (which is called Behavioral Adjustment Therapy) is to look for calming signals in the dog (looking down, sniffing, shaking) and moving away as reinforcement of those signals. It works incredibly, and, unlike the methods of this guy, isn't bloody abusive.
And perhaps. but the day the dog is 13, he may no linger have the ability to sprint away fast enough, and will die of a heart attack when someone is 20 feet away rather than 21 feet away. Awesome. It is more abusive to let a dog cling to his fear for years, rather than getting over it in weeks. His tail was tucked the entire time, and you clearly missed that he actually leaned foreward to sniff Beckman when sitting just a foot away. That shows a mind NOT in panickmode, but thinking and processing, it showed he was getting more relaxed than when he kept distance.
@@Goldenhawk583 he doesn't need to sprint anywhere, just disengage and go back to the owner. Don't know what you're blabbering about? When it comes to the sniffing, I still think this dog is stressed. Especially since he gets up and his tail is still tucked and he's stiff and avoiding eye contact. If he were to like shake or yawn or something, then absolutely, I'd say, oh maybe the flooding worked. But as I see it here, this dog is not any less fearful than he was when he came in- he has just been taught that trying to leave the situation will get him nowhere. If you want a dog that's afraid of you, go ahead I guess. But you are not going to have a truly happy dog with Joel's stupid ass "methods".
@@ellabartal4652 as you could see, if the dog had to pass.. just pass freely and undisturbed, not just another human., but another dog that sat alone, he would not do it. His fear was so high that tha lure of his owners being right there, on the other side of Prince, was not enough. Nut accirding to you now, thats fine, leave him stressed an alone, and apart, because all he has to do is disengage? Something he has no ability to do by himself. And OFC he was still stressed when he snffed, OFC he still has a way to go after this session.. This was just step one on the parh to a calm and happy and confident dog.. Your method would keep him in agony for years apart from the world, never able to go anywhere, every visit to the vet a nightmare. because all he has to do.. is something he cant:P If they kept listening to you ( they allready tried your way for months and nothing got better even a bit), this dog would be put down years ahead of his time, when he finally exploded due to stress and bit someone.
@@Goldenhawk583 I wouldn't put him in that situation to begin with dude. If I come to a session, and I know my client's dog is reactive to whatever- people, dogs, men, bigger dogs- doesn't matter, I'm not going to expose him to the stimuli in this uncontrolled fashion like Joel did. What I would do is as follows: Get the dog on a long line. Place the stimuli (also known as a decoy) in line of sight, but far enough away that the dog is below threshold (meaning isn't looking or acknowledging the stimuli). Then I'll start moving towards the stimulus slowly, keeping my eye on the dog and his body language. My goal is to get the dog to acknowledge the stimuli, but not go into fight or flight. The dog walks before me and will naturally stop once he hits threshold. I will not push any further since there's no learning possible above threshold (think about yourself: when you're in class, and something is on your mind and you can't stop thinking about it- are you actually going to retain any of the information?) . When the dog shows me the slightest bit of calming signals- sniffing on the ground (before you ask, the difference between the sniffing in this video and sniffing in calming signals is that the dog here is already reacting and can't get out of the situation and knows it. With calming signals, the dog is trying to get out of the situation.), turning the head, yawning, etc. Then I will start moving away from the stimuli, and encourage the dog to come with me and disengage. That's his reward: lowering his threshold level IS the reward. I might give him a treat or a tug, but there's technically no need. And most importantly- the owner is actually doing all of this. I know I said "I" this entire time, but I want to teach the dog that the safe spot is the owner. Now with time, the dog's emotion towards the stimulus changes from fear to "I don't mind it" and sometimes even to "I like this thing now". That's never EVER going to happen with flooding. Ever. My method would be way quicker and takes between one and three sessions to achieve (there are of course edge cases, but that's the average). Hope this helps and please don't abuse dogs like Joel does.
@@ellabartal4652 Right, I would like to belive you, I just cant. I have seen so many dogs being put down because they were understoood to death ( my name for it). They used that methid for MONTS and stuff did not improve, it got worse. 3 sessions my ass.
with my dog when i was pet sitting i allowed the scared dogs to scare away my dog (he isnt fearful) because i found with these kinds of dogs they felt more secure knowing that they have some sort of control as to who approaches them. my dog doesnt lash out he just saunters away.
Cesar and Joel are superior to dog trainers who focus on obedience training for behavior problems. They realize that changing the relationship with the human is the solution.
I like to do this with a long line slip lead and walk around. I let the dog reach the end of the line as he tries to get away from me but actually corrects himself. They learn The most comfortable place to be is by my side where there are no corrections.
Now I feel like this is a very important question to ask. If a dog like this has leash reactivity issues, would you focus on its anxiety first before training it on a leash?
Looks wolfy/siberian Young They r Xtra fearful of strangers and testosterone Strong leadership guidance thru new experiences daylie They gain confidence and placity But need careful reinforcement Great job
@@topcatwarrior It's most likely not a Tamaskan, going by the long legs and the skittishness of the animal, but a random low content wolfdog mix. There isa puppy mill in the US pretending to breed Tamaskans, please research Kevin and Danielle Settineri, formerly known as RightPuppyKennel. I suspec this animal came from them, as their dogs are known to have behavioral problems like being super anxious outside and around people.
@toniappleby7655 You're correct in your phenotyping, it's most likely not a Tamaskan, going by the long legs and the skittishness of the animal, but a random low content wolfdog mix. There isa puppy mill in the US pretending to breed Tamaskans, please research Kevin and Danielle Settineri, formerly known as RightPuppyKennel. I suspec this animal came from them, as their dogs are known to have behavioral problems like being super anxious outside and around people.
I’ve seen several issues with the same thing, usually same sex couple females with dogs reacting towards men. I believe it’s reinforced until it becomes unacceptable.
The "not facing your fear" method you describe at the start is called systematic desensitization and originates in human psychology. And even when treating fear in human's it's outdated because methods that make the patient face the fear work a lot quicker and more reliably. It's quite weird to see it pop up as a "scientific method" in the dog world.
Hi Joel, I love your channel and have been a follower for a while now! I have the complete OPPOSITE of this dog, almost 3 and completely OBSSESSED with other dogs therefore is 'stuck' on a longline. Any tips of how to quickly fix this? We are practicing walking calmly along side other dogs and not letting him greet most we meet but he just loses it through frustration. He was getting better but since letting him off lead and play with another dog of a similar size he has regressed.
How do I handle a dog that is fearful of sounds? My dog is having a hard time and doesn't even want to walk as soon as he hears a loud car engine, someone hammering in the neighborhood, the sound of a nail gun, sometimes even the bouncing of a basketball. I don't really have a way to distance him from something he can't see. So how do you approach that?
I wish I lived closer instead of cross country. Even with a muzzle I can't find anyone willing to try this with me. I was able to introduce my dog to my daughters dog and they're friends now. It's hard to practice this stuff though without a trainer who will do this
i work at a humane society in the usa and one of the hardest things with dogs who are wary of men, especially, is simply not knowing anything about the dog's history (if it came in as a stray or was surrendered by people who were unreliable with the details about the dog's history). one thing that has been successful many times is pairing the fearful dog with a more people friendly dog. but inevitably their roommate gets adopted first and they forget about the confidence they had.
I see this often with rescue animals in general. For whatever reason they have a fear of men, and my cat did for no apparent reason as well. You just need a woman to work with them in that case.
I’ve been searching for advice and can’t find anyone addressing my situation so ANY direction would be great. My dog is friendly with other dogs but will let any other dog push her aside and keep her from interacting with people. She can have her head on my lap, another dog she knows and was playing with 5 min ago can walk over and my dog will shy away as if the other dog just told her “no you don’t get attention, I’m here now” I can push the other dog away and call my dog back and my dog will timidly try to come back over. How can I teach my dog more confidence so she doesn’t so easily get push away from her people. Do I use this 7:22 force to face her fears and keep here at my hip.
So you’re saying you’re not sure if this dog is afraid of prince or you but can’t you tell by his eyes what is the dog looking at when it barks and runs away? Is it looking at you or is he looking at your dog? Would think that you would know that, but I’m gonna keep watching because I didn’t finish.
My dog doesn't bark, she has suddenly started running away for no reason. You don't even have to go near her and she runs. It doesn't make any sense at all.
This one probably is a wolfdog hybrid, and is most likely not a real Tamaskan. Too lanky and too skittish to be an actual Tamaskan. Most likely an animal procuded by frauds pretending to be genuine breeders.
Are we sure that he isn’t a wolf mix? Even low. Content wolf is very untrainable. I had a 70 percent content wolf and was very manageable under the right circumstances but wasn’t a dog. Even a small amount of wolf content is difficult to train.
@@topcatwarrior It most likely isn't a Tamaskan but a low-content wolfdog that was sold as Tamaskan. Kevin and Danielle Settineri run a large puppy mill in the US, many people bought from them thinking they are getting a Tamaskan. I am saying this because this animal looks lankier and more skittish than Tamaskans tend to be.
You are probably right. I believe this dog might be the product of Kevin Settineri's puppy mill breeding practises. He breeds wolfdogs and random, wolfy-looking dogs to create mutts that he then sells as Tamaskans.
Tell your sister to find a vet with morals. It’s not easy most vets are about making $. Neutering should not be done ever by a responsible knowledgeable dog owner. And why are you commenting on a topic you are completely ignorant about?
neutering for the sake of neutering has always sat unwell for me as well. If it is a genuine problem that your dog's sexual behaviours are extreme, then yes I would understand. But just cause you read that it's the "right" thing to do is such a sheeple furmom/furdad movement
Unrelated question. My dog has times in which she is not interested in food during training, I have been thinking about trying odors / scents in her training because she has some hound in her and unless she is very scared she is constantly smelling. And when she is really scared the first thing she will do once she starts to recover is begin smelling her environment (I adopted her at about a year, and am pretty sure she was abused or mistreated at some point in her life). I know that depending on the scent I use it may complicate other things, like if I want her to track or if the connection to the odor is stronger than the verbal or visual cue... Has anyone tried this? Are there any problems with this beyond what I have thought about?
This idea reminds me of training working dogs a bit. Drug dogs for example: When they find what they are looking for, there is a cue that they give. Or the pavlov's dogs experiment drooling at the bell sound because of the association with food. I imagine you could do the reverse for training purposes. If the dog always associates a certain smell with being calm and at home, using that same smell exposure in scary environments might make them relax faster or realize they are safe? Unfortunately I don't have any feedback on scent training though :/
@@whatchyagonnado that example is part of what I was thinking of but I was talking about using scents as a lure to begin to condition a dog to a behavior. With my dog if I go to lure her with a treat, if she's not interested it's not going to work, it does not work as well as it does in other moments. But her nose she will follow all day long.
@@chngdbygrace Yeah that is an interesting idea. Maybe it could be a "once you do this thing you can smell all of the smells"? Like my dog can't go out the front door until she sits and I say "okay", or if she wants to say hi to someone she can't meet them until she is calm. So depending on what behaviours you're training, they can't run around to smell stuff until they do what you want (obviously they might smell where they are at lol). It mainly would work with leash work probably
Does she like toys or has a favorite toy? You could reward her with a short tug or play session with said toy instead of using food. Some dogs, albeit rare, are just not motivated by treats.
@@Ballzac32 that is one of the more interesting things about adopting her... It took forever for her to begin to play... We had to tease it out of her and the dog she is bonded with (we don't know their history but they're inseparable). In fact for the first month they would only play with each other, and it was entirely fight play. I was bringing a tug rope out on training sessions, but she is less interested in play than food... We have literally watched them unpack themselves as they realized they could do more than just survive. They noodge each other, like they will get a toy and display they have it and are playing with it to provoke the other to play with them, or fake interest in the toy the other one has to get the other to play with them. Floora who is in general the more timid if the two is now hiding toys, to bring them out at key moments like "look what I got"... They are not well hidden and Ana watches her hide them more often than not. Ana is terrified of water and storms... She is trainable with food, it's just not quite got the same draw as her scenting and going into track mode when she thinks something is there or been on the property. I have actually considered training her for tracking and rescue rather than just a service dog for sleep apnea, severe depression and social anxiety.
@@topcatwarrior It most likely isn't a Tamaskan but a low-content wolfdog that was sold as Tamaskan. Kevin and Danielle Settineri run a large puppy mill in the US, many people bought from them thinking they are getting a Tamaskan. I am saying this because this animal looks lankier and more skittish than Tamaskans tend to be.
Be Careful Joseph you will have the Hot Dog Brigade on your case 😂.. That poor dog bla bla bla. he was forced to be trained 🧂🧂🐶🐶. The results do not matter if he didnt enjoy himself 100 percent of the time.🤦♂🤦♂
This is not training unfortunately, this is Joel messing around and giving the dog a new experience but what is handler supposed to do now ? The dog did not learn any intelligent commands to help it overcome its fear.
@@insaneshepherd8678 Then they would have been better off doing an online course. When you visit with a dog trainer for a session the dog is supposed to immediately begin learning intelligent things. Holding it on a leash with a muzzle ? It didn’t have a choice but to appear like training… training is training.
@@HenryD-b8v The dog learned intelligent things like being a bit less afraid of men which is exactly why the owners chose to go to a dog trainer and the owners now know how to work on the issue themselves. Confrontation therapy is well understood from human psychology and we know that it works effectively and reliably. Joel might not know it, but he is using the scientific way to address fear. If you want to waste your money on online courses that can't tell you anything about your dog go ahead, no one is stopping you. Teaching a dog commands is not dog training, it's the same as doing tricks for the circus. A dog can be quite well-trained without knowing a sit.
more than half of pets in the US are overwheight, with some breeds a fit, working dog will look like this. with a large athletic dog like this you should be able to see their ribs (with short hair).
Bro, we have enough of people shaming women for skirts too short, let’s not go the other direction instead, let’s just stop making everyday clothing choices about seeking/not seeking “attention” - mostly it’s just what’s clean, comfy and feels right that morning