World Report Correspondent Jennifer London explores a new movement called Quiverfull - a belief that says couples should have as many children as possible. This video is an excerpt from the story.
They have some nerve! Those adults can not even answer directly they can only regurgitate what they have heard and they wanted a ridiculous amount of kids that they can not afford and don't even raise they make the older kids raise her children!!!! These are not dogs they are children...a 12 year old should be playing not being trained to serve her husband ortaking care of het mothers and fathers responsibilities that is abuse it is called parentification.
With large families, it's one thing to say to one of the older kids "Can you watch your brother for five minutes?" or "Could you go start breakfast/lunch/dinner for everyone?" but these people are just taking it and running with it by having their oldest daughters raise the younger kids.
Exposure to this type of upbringing would be a phenomenal form of birth control for people that aren't brainwashed. I had a friend who was responsible for raising her younger siblings and she said it was ok, but she ended up running away from home. Yikes! If that doesn't deter someone from having kids at a young age I don't know what will.
My mom at age 7: "You know how to use the stove? Feed your brother when you get back from school I gotta go work" Bro seriously? We gonna pretend a 13 year old or whatever she was girl can't take care of her younger siblings?
That's because Quiverfull families use brutal punishments very minor infractions, making children into essentially robots. If these families go full on with the quiverfull way of life, they are required to shield their children from "evil" things like Rock music, clothing that shows a girls knees, and evil things like kissing in movies. I'd recommend checking out some other videos about the group, especially the interview by Chris Shelton called Growing Up Quiverfull: The Duggar's Destructive Cult. The guy interviewing (Chris Shelton) is a former Scientologist and actively tries to help people who get involved in these cult-like groups.
I mean all she has to do is be a mini mommy and her parents are happy with her! Thankfully she enjoys taking care of kids...some girls don’t like it as much but they are forced to.
There's a term for these people...FNJ...F)&%$@$ Nutjubs. Why/How is overproducing children healthy, mentally and physically. Sick, sorry sods... This is WHY Atheists exist, shit like this in this video.
She will be 18 by now. I bet she has never worn a pair of trousers, been allowed to cut her hair short or every really met people that are not Christians like them. The Quiverful parents always seem to rely on their children to do the work. Those children looked dettached from their parents, and relient on the eldest sister.
Actually, in a stunning turn of events, it appears the family is much more "normal" now. Someone down below gave an update that apparently they had one more child after this and that was it. Whether it was a conscious decision is unknown, but it was probably due to the mother's age. The daughter, Olivia, is on Facebook and appears to be an average teenager. She's a ballet dancer and has done at least one beauty pageant(that I think she won). Her profile still proclaims she's a "follower of Jesus" but nothing to suggest she's anything more than just a typical Christian at this point. She dresses normally, including pants/leggings, and seems to have normal friends and goes to school. Hopefully this is a good sign that she has completely left behind the toxic Quiverful thinking.
Found their personal facebook pages and let me update y'all... 1. Around 3 years ago, the Mom decided to go back to the university to complete her master's degree. 2. The oldest, Olivia, is now a full time college student, and is a ballerina and she also does music on the side. 3. Most of the children are attending college. 4. They wear pants now!!!!! Im serious, no more long ugly skirts. They also wear short shorts and none of the children are yet to marry. 5. The family is still Christian, but they toned out the whole quiverfull. 6. They actually had one child (a boy) after this was filmed. 7. The parents are not that strict with their clothing choices anymore. 8. Their children are not yet married and probably will not marry until they finish with their college education. Which is great if you ask me. 10. Im so glad they let their kids have a normal christian life.
Just a update once more the young lady Olivia just got married this Saturday and lives in Canada now and she’s still a teacher in dance and seems to be living her authentic self . ❤️❤️❤️❤️ I have her. On my IG she’s a beautiful young lady .
“To train up a child.” That’s all I needed to hear. It’s a book written by Michael and Debi Pearl that advocates authoritarian and abusive techniques to raise or “train” children. Most people who believe in Quiverfull follow this book like a second bible. It’s all about the appearance of a wholesome, happy family. I think I feel sorry for the oldest daughter most of all.
Carter Pewterschmidt In every interview I've watched about those practicing the Quiverful way I notice exactly that..every damn time and the Duggars are the first ones I think of. Yeah....no....they can keep that submissive shit. I'll pass, thanks.
I love children. I want to have many. A twelve year old is a child- it isn't her job to "mother the little ones." It's her job to learn and play. She shouldn't be taking on the responsibilities that belong to her parents.
@@helixmoore7636 I used to be a member of his congregation and am still in contact with his oldest son Stephen. He's a Marine now. I grew up with this family but I myself am an only child. My parents stopped because of health reasons. They are not crazy. They are good people that hold a rather unpopular belief. This video really does not show the true Shedd family.
Full Metal Druid no, because she's being raised with the mindset that she has no more worth in her life other than being a wife and mother. She's not worth an education, a job, travels, or any sense of what someone would consider a normal teenage life. It's not about being a "Miley Cyrus", it's not black and white...
Not to mention the discipline tactics commonly used and often encouraged in quiverfull households to keep the familial patriarchy in check and to make sure all the children are in line. That shit is what causes children to develop C-PTSD (the same form of PTSD that people who were in pow camps develop from long-term exposure to abuse and constant crisis situations) among other things. It's not just that, though. But the blatant child abuse is one of my many issues with the quiverfull movement (edited for grammar)
I have to agree, it's a puppy mill that is destroying a woman's life. She should be in education and a professional career, not being a breeding machine for an ideology. I feel sad when a woman gets pregnant, as it takes her out of the labour force and limits her career choices. I really want a woman to do well in her career, become a president or CEO, maybe a socialite too.
CHris Henniker it is up to her, she can do whatever she wants. If everybody followed your advice we would have demographic collapse like they do in Japan where there aren't enough people to take care of the elderly and sick.
Fuck look at her husband staring at her while she's talking! Where have we seem that demented look before? Duggars & Bates! Speaking of her husband, gaydar!
I've noticed that look too! It's like they are making sure they approve of everything their wives and daughters say. I thought I was just imagining it, but its totally a pattern.
I was homeschooled and I am the oldest of eight kids. I found out years after a guest visited our home that she had commented that our home was weird and inhospitable and she never wanted to go back. She also said exactly what you said: that every time she asked one of us kids a question, we would look at our father as if we were afraid of being in trouble for saying the "wrong" thing. Growing up we were yelled-at, cursed-at, and beaten for trivial things that were often innocent mistakes or the result of false accusations. On the rare occasion a kid actually did something wrong, it was impossible to respect any punishment for it because of the self-centered dynamic of it being ok for the father to wrong his children but not vice-versa.
Hey everyone I'm Susanna in that video and don't worry we’re very different now and I honestly don’t remember living like that. Most of us go to public school and colleges now. I’m sad to say this was the weird side of what people told us was Christian. Being Christian is not about being perfect or being “quiver full” but it is having a relationship with Jesus. I agree with a lot of y’all saying that this was creepy but to be honest, we didn’t actually know what being “quiverfull” was. The tv people kinda tricked us to make it seem like life was really creepy but we thought that they were just trying to feature our family in a good way.
Well yes, and no. This is designed similar to that of the old days before the black death. Many family's would have many children, for one reason because many would die, but also that back then and for many years to come, girls run the house. But I have no doubt that if the girls were boys they were be doing it too.
I would hardly say lazy. After repeated childbirth, we can't know how her health is holding up. I agree with you that the children deserve their own hobbies and activities, not to be short order cook for the entire family. A woman I worked with had eight adult brothers. They all lived with their parents and she cooked for them as her mum wasn't well. When she was first married, she cooked a casserole for ten people. Her husband was joking with her about being absent-minded and she had to explain that she did not know what else to cook. She had only ever cooked for a large family as instructed.
So today that 12 year old is 18. Probably sold off to her new property holder. Beating her baby for moving too much or being too noisy. And WTH do those little girls have curlers in their hair? They're babies, not old ladies. Let their hair be flat and boring. Training for their future husbands, too?
She's in university. From looking at her instagram, they seem very 'normal' now compared to this video clip. They also had 1 more baby after this was filmed.
Kathryn Roberts You're going after kids for having curlers in their hair? Of all the shit to go after in the quiverfull movement, you chose that... Moron.
+Lisa Rosch All larger families have the older children watch out for the younger ones. Heck, some do this with only 2 or 3 kids! It's the right thing to do. God's word tells us we are to take care of each other and that includes all ages and all family members. How could anyone find fault in that is beyond me! Very sad how the world has become so selfish and lack love for their fellow man.
Garybsg- because there's only 2 choices? Because the idea that children should be raised by parents who are not deeply into the constant act of procreating that they don't have energy to care for the ones they already have? Selfish fornication and breeding like a cow barn.
WhatIsThis nope, not all families do that. My mom had 12 kids, and I was the second one. Neither I, nor my older sister were forced to look after our sibilings, and I really appreciate my parents for this. Of course, at times when mom and dad needed to go shopping together, or just go for a walk, the older ones were left in charge of the rest, but otherwise we were never permanently responsible for our younger sibilings. There was always one of the parents that would stay at home with us.
It seems as if they use their children to do the mothers job. I understand teaching your kids to do chores but this is too much responsibility on the oldest girl. If you're gonna have kids raise them yourself Mother. Let that 12 year old be a kid!
They are raising them NOT TO BE SNOWFLAKES. I think it wonderful. Children who actually participate in the home and family, who show love and respect to their elders.
Sandie Minasian Orsini everyone’s a snowflake, including you. I know it’s hard to hear, but everyone is unique and special in their own ways and deserve equal respect. I know it’s hard to accept. I struggle sometimes myself with that fact. But we have to get over it. You and I are both snowflakes.
Sandie Minasian Orsini No, I understand your point exactly. The ‘snowflake’ comment is simply inaccurate. The way these children are being raised doesn’t put an end to any of them feeling superior to others. On the contrary, this kind of raising frequently contributes to that exact mindset, as most brainwashing does. And this is brainwashing; we see what seems pleasant, however the actual tactics used in the quiverfull movement (like blanket training and spanking using instruments) is blatantly abusive. These people feel they are special and unique, spiritually and socially. They are the definitions of ‘snowflakes.’
You don't know how much work the mother does. And there is nothing wrong with giving children responsibilities at a young age. I'd argue that it is a very good thing, preparing them to be functional adults.
I know this family personally, they have toned down on their beliefs and most of the kids are in high school or have graduated. All of the kids are extremely kind and talented
CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC! Oh God, those poor girls! DX Here's to hoping that at least one of them breaks away from that cycle of madness one day and learns to think on their own! It really is sad that the minds these beautiful children are being twisted and wasted.
So here is my question... If the older daughter were to say to her mom... Hey mom I don't want to get married and I don't want to have kids... I would love to be a doctor and help cure diseases.. Would mom be ok with that or would she say that's not a woman's purpose on earth... Because then you are basically saying that women cant do anything other than have a family..
Great question. EXACTLY. And what about those who love the Lord but simply weren't able to have children, or their husband left them. Good grief, it's SO ridiculous. Jesus made it very clear what our purpose is in the Gospels. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength, and love your neighbor as you love yourself. In doing this, He said you have fulfilled all the commandments. He didn't say you have to get married and have 10 children. I have people in my family who could not have children, and they decided to adopt a child....which is wonderful and a blessing. But it was their choice. God was not mad at them because they couldn't "have children". So sickening, this shaming attitude. Our purpose is to love the Lord and others, and be loved. Period. If we are blessed by God with a mate, AWESOME...with kids, wonderful. If not, also FINE WITH GOD. God bless you.
Quiverfuls are actually taught that higher education is not needed and that college is too dangerous at least that's what is taught to the girls, maybe the boys get to go to college idk
These religious throwbacks despise higher education. But they love their cars, computers, microwaves, air conditioning, contact lenses, etc. Where do they think modern technology, science, medicine comes from, if not from "wicked" colleges and smart people?
+Pansy Flower Her mom would probably smack her and teach her a good lesson. In this cult, women are NOT supposed to do squat outside of pop out babies and clean house.
It is so sad they are robbed of many opportunities and each child is birn with a job and of course the women do all the work...this is ridiculous!!! These poor children are being abused. These parents are very misquided.
Their children are so happy and well behaved, not stuck in front of screens all day. I don’t know why people judge Quiverfull families, it seems weird to me how distant families continue to grow. I grew up bouncing from family to family and had the privilege of staying with a Quiverfull family two summers in a row and used to dream of being one of her children; when you grow up in a very broken home, with an angry feminist mom or in foster care- you appreciate women who actually dedicate their lives to being present and keeping their family strong & together. That’s true female empowerment.
Let kids be KIDS! Once you're grown, you have to be a grown up for the REST OF YOUR LIFE. Childhood is a precious time, it should be spent being a child, doing childish things, not raising someone else's kids. If this 12 yr old was having to do all that because the mom was on drugs, would people still be saying she was learning skills and responsibilities? No. This is disgusting, I couldn't stand the Duggars from the start, I hope we stop hearing about them soon. Blech. These nuts give Christians a bad name.
Also, why is the dad looking at his wife when she talks. Is he worried she's gonna say something bad about Quiverful, cause I can point out five things right now. Go ahead and guess what.
they give me the creeps, especially the husband...and that was before i heard the word HELPMATE (to the husband). wth. this is the Handmaids Tale right there
+Chasingthedream89 You heard the woman say the quiverfull movement is the idea that you be willing to accept as many children as god will give you. That's precisely what Michelle Duggar has said on multiple interviews.
JeN ErO: Yes, as an environmentalist, this is depressing. The trouble also is that many of these kids grow up to flee such stifling circumstances and do not become foot soldiers in God's army as hoped for.
I often wonder about that 12 year old young lady…I watched this years ago for the first time and I just find myself thinking about her and praying for her from time to time. It’s fine to help your parents. She just looks so unhappy:( her parents do not seem gracious and joyful, they seem legalistic and so I worry their home was not a pleasant and safe place to grow.
The mentality behind the "Quiverfull" movement is appalling, and often the way these kids are raised as well. If you have many children because you want to raise an "army of God", that's just cultish and frightening and makes me wonder how much you actually care for your kids as people. However, only having many children is in itself not a negative thing and doesn't have to have a negative impact on a family - parents or kids. My mother (born in '52) is one of seven, and of course they shared bedrooms, and of course the older kids babysat the younger ones etc. But that's not inherently terrible, and they were in no way brainwashed like these kids. That said, my grandparents were Catholics who didn't believe in birth control, and my very intelligent, open-minded grandmother found staying at home boring and unfulfilling, so . . . Religious reasons that go against your nature are never a good idea.
Reminds me of Mormonism.. they believe the same family values etc like multiplying by having as many 'spirit' children God has given them and building the army of the church of Jesus Christ on earth. Many cults are the same.. Very controlling, manipulative and take bible verses to support such cults and misinterpreting what the bible says.
Invar V But in Catholicism there is a logic behind not using hormonal birth control as to them the life begins at fertilization and as women we know MANY of our birth controls actually expel fertilized eggs again and again as they only prevent implantation by thickening the walls and mucus. Other BC at least stops the ovulation so fertilization never occurs or like the copper kills the sperm. But that's why I don't think Catholics can be compared to the quiverfull or even Mormons on that subject. Much different. Plus Mormons and these gothard followers are both following men who basically rewrote the bible in their own words.
Some such wives crack up under the pressure of living in this Fundy boot camp. Some years ago, Andrea Yates (fundy, submissive wife) drowned her 5 children in a tub. She was not allowed her meds for post-partum depression. Yates believed if the kids lived to adulthood, God might burn them in Hell.
I seen a update on the family and I was pleasantly surprised . Although yes they are very strong believers of faith the then 12Yr old is now 20. She is a teacher I believe actually teaching as well . Moreover more surprisingly is all the girls her siblings and mom are not just in dresses anymore they wear jeans and shorts they even had a trip to Disney ( hence pic with shorts etc) so it seems as they got older even though the faith is still their they may have adopted some of more common society's ways .
Maybe, but these are normal options, and shouldn't be doled out as if children didn't deserve such a life. The whole notion is unreasonable and controlling. People are not supposed to produce children to order. The man especially sounds as though it is important to him to boss people around and issue "commands". As a parent, he needs to grow up. It should not take 20 years to treat your children as people.
+Curmudgeon, You took the words right out of my mouth! Die hard hate filled feminist! They yell human rights but disagree with others living their lives as they choose to. Go figure.
Ok, I'm all about the phrase "whatever floats your boat", but it is unfair to see their children as less than, if they to live a different life when they grow up. I've noticed people like this still control their adult children's life. That's something I don't agree with.
Nothing like having every second of your life scheduled out for you. So, what are the sons going to do job wise to support a large family? For most of us, it takes two paychecks to support a family. Besides, these large families suck up the earths valuable resorces. THAT is selfish.
+KAREN SHEPHERD Indoctrinating conformism. Obedient little servants that are born and die without finding their own personal form of happiness. Only being told what they should be happy about, what they should feel about things in life and even how they should think.They are trained to confess their personal thoughts to a parent if that thought goes against the teachings. Little robots. All the same.
People in the Quiverfull Movement rarely believe in traditional schools, so she will probably homeschool her kids until they grow old enough to go on their own and get married. Also, maintaining a house while constantly getting pregnant is pretty hard, especially when she has five kids to raise. So, I think both partners are working hard.
i live near them 4 are out of the house 1 in is nyc, 1 is married and living in canada, one went into the military and the fourth is im college in cincinnati
Many muslim families and other faiths around the world have many many children. where is the backlash for them? Why aren't they being bashed the way these large Christian families are?
No. You and your offspring are a strain on the world. Your religious beliefs are based on archaic tribal bullshit, and you have tainted our world with it's practices.
All very well, if you can have many children. I had this stupid mentalisty, kept trying for more children, put myself through hell, had 15 miscarriages felt like a failure as I only managed one child. Seen dozens of women have countless children, the kids go without they live in poverty, the women live in a total state of depression. Thank goodness I saw through it!
The problem with these quiverfull and hardcore fundamental families is that they have so many kids they sometimes end up on welfare. As long as you can afford them keep having them until your uterus falls out if that makes you happy. If, however, you've reached a point where they are a burden on the resources of your community you should probably figure out how to use birth control. This applies to anyone having kids regardless of religious affiliation, athiest, agnostic, etc.
@Daniel Springer it has nothing to do with them being a "white" family. I should amend my comment to say that it shouldn't matter what religion OR RACE you are. If you can't afford to maintain the kids you want or have, you should probably stop having them. Your immediate response was to make it about race, and that shouldn't matter. Poverty and living in misery affect all races.
I hated going to church on Sundays. It was horrible! Anyway, this quiverfull crap takes away any chance the kids have at an actual childhood and it's sad.
There is nothing wrong with people having kids, as long as they can provide for them adequately. So what if they want 10 kids, who are you to tell them what they can or cant do with their bodies? They look like a happy family, quiverfull or not.
Some family structures are inherently toxic and detrimental to everyone involved, especially the children. Having lots of kids in a traditional family isn't necessarily bad but when it's coupled with very rigid top-down authoritarianism, sexism, misogyny, and the belief that children are the property of the parents, it's bad. Those kinds of situations are ultimately more destructive than constructive toward the long-term harmony of the family. It's not healthy and shouldn't be celebrated.
@@HunterHarris Exactly. It is sinister, this business of producing obedient children to follow your agenda. His only hobby appears to be controlling others according to his imaginary world. People aren't here for that.
@paisleyyama My sisters were expected to make me dinner, do my laundry and iron it too. How was that fair to them? They ended up having self-esteem issues, didn't go to college and ended up getting married just to escape their lives at home. I was encouraged to get a job as soon as I was old enough, but ironically, was never encouraged to go to college, not that my parents could have afforded it anyway due to having all those mouths to feed.
I'm a christian and this is just no. I'm about to get married and as a working wife I hope that my kids grow up with love for everyone and that they follow whatever dreams they have. if my daughter doesn't want to have kids and be a wife that is fine. it is the 21st century.
The oldest one is actually in college. I found her Facebook page and she looks normal - which is amazing. Maybe she didn't want to just be a mommy after all.
@@user-xn9fe1jr6y How so? That is what happens isn't it? A women becomes fertile after puberty, then becomes infertile at middle age. Call it what you will, nature or God, it is still reality.
I don't see this as so horrible. I'm surprised to see so many very negative comments. It is a righteous desire to have a family and the way they are raising them with responsibility and a love for God is so much better than a lot of families today that don't even teach anything at all or the families argue all the time. It is weird though how the amount of kids is such a main focus. There are so many other good teachings from God and Jesus Christ.
What happens if one of the children decides to reject the religious 'training'? The Quiverfull parents may try their best to indoctrinate their children into the faith, but there's no guarantee that the kids won't rebel. What if one of the kids grew up and became an atheist? Or just another religion? Or gay? Would these parents accept their children if the children grew up to have differing beliefs or differing lifestyles? I always wonder about that. I know several people who were raised strict Catholic or Eastern Orthodox. Many rebelled completely against the tenets of the faith and 'fell away' (stopped going to church). Does that ever happed in Quiverfull families? If so, what are the consequences?
Exactly. When there are so many little people to take care of, they totally lose their independent voices. The kids emulating the parents get all of the love. Not wanting to follow the cult? Be prepared for a cold and hostile family life. What happens if there's a kid with autism, dyslexia or ADHD? Pretend all you want, you can't smack a disability out of a kid. It takes more than just prayer....
The Bible also says to train children with the rod, which you can actually buy to beat . . . I'm sorry, train, your children with! Such a lovely life, no? Really, the Bible has many violent passages when it comes to women and children. It's a bit "funny" to me how so many choose what they can and can't take literally.
@DasTuppen I agree with you. There are normal responsibilities for kids, taking out the trash, washing dishes, walking the dog, etc. But no child should have to help raise their brothers and sisters. Babysitting once and awhile is ok. But she's a child! She should be allowed to be one! So should all the other kids. I believe in kids helping out but there's a limit!
I personally know this couple and I've known several families who truly have an anointing and a heart to raise up godly children. For those couples who have difficulty or cannot conceive, there are, unfortunately, plenty of children whose parents were not up to the task and who put them in the foster or adoption system. I would think that infertile couples would be more grieved to see couples/parents with many children who were unfit parents--I know I am. Btw, child-rearing is very unselfish.
this girl is twelve ok, and its not like shes been trained more like brainwashed, as me and im sure many others at 12 wouldn't listen to anything their parents wanted to do, rather purposely do the opposite, strange
Briana Walker I agree with you, adults who are fully embraced with religion is disturbing and dangerous. And having the so called "religious freedom" is an illusion excuse to conceal their beliefs to prevent any modern lifestyle. And also the compulsive act of reproducing children what is meant to be quiverfull. Why can't these family actually just think about the children who are in foster care or raised in orphanage.
Ummmm 'agnostic atheists'? So... Your folks are open to the possibility of intelligent design however believe there is no intelligent design? Tell me more...
@@boslax2010 Well said, and thoughtfully. Mind you, I wonder if any decent orphanage would be willing to even consider allowing such people to adopt. They are religious fanatics building a future army of obedient slaves, that's what it amounts to. Real parents learn a lot more from parenthood, and don't plan and plot to enforce their quaint notions on others. My take on it is that they couldn't find enough willing followers in real life, so they feel they have to find women to breed for them. It's all too close to the Handmaid's Tale to be entirely sane.
Their whole belief is to have as many children as possible and have the older kids parent them...what kind of bullshit is that? Idc what that young lady said about love being a 12yr old mother to her brothers and sisters rather than hanging out with her friends being care free and having fun like a normal 12yr old
No. Having talked to many of these people, here is their thought: They follow their religion that teaches them to reproduce uncontrollably no matter any consequence, including their own health and financial ability. They are doing God's work by reproducing so rampantly. A man's genes are much more important than any actual empathy or altruistic child raising.
Annabelle Aldaco I think it is a great thing that you would rather adopt. In fact, when I am older and more financially able, I want to adopt as well. Why risk your own health and possibly the welfare of a being you force into existence when you can actually save a child in need of a family? I think adoption is one of the most ethical things a person can do. Then there is the impact of overpopulation, resource use, etc. There are many reasons that adoption is the more ethical choice. You asking is it bad you wanting to adopt? That is a big fat NO! You are an awesome person for wanting to adopt.
Corpse Party I also don't think I could be as submissive as a Quiverfull woman. I'm not submissive; I'm loud, a bit pushy, and kinda not girly, but I'm happy with the way I am.... Is that bad, too?
