QUOTES FROM SUPERVILLAINS WHO WERE COMPLETELY RIGHT 

Yep he made a good point

@@wolfgang6442 He made an understandable point Not a good one Not in the way he meant it at least

The Avengers are the defenders and of the status quo.

@@wolfgang6442 Not really. He wanted to genocide the human race out of pure Darwinism, then when the Avengers understandably took issue with that approach he incorrectly concluded that they didn't want the Earth to change. In other words, disagreeing with his method doesn't mean disagreeing with his motive (as he seemed to believe). The fact that the Avengers, and Earth for that matter, ultimately prevailed over their otherworldly threat (Thanos and his army of Chitauri) completely refutes his point. Either: - The people of Earth changed in some way in order to prevail, disproving the notion that they "didn't want to change". - The people of Earth prevailed despite not changing in some way, disproving the notion that humanity couldn't survive without Ultron inflicting his genocide upon them (or 'evolving'). So which is it?

not all changes are good.

Def one of my faves

That I think is a better one, the whole center of the universe one is really just human nature but the cause one can actually be learned from.

That still isn't necessarily right and at worst it's used to justify fence sitting, or having no cause.

@@mechanomics2649 I believe it would imply that no matter which cause you associate yourself with,at some point it may make a decision which you may somewhat or strongly disagree with,which is inevitable,since it's unlikely there is any cause out there so perfect that you'll subscribe to their every word and choice wholeheartedly.

@@Sikorsky1111 There is only one cause you will ALWAYS be aligned to. Your own cause. It is the only one that can't really betray you, but then again, you can't really betray her either.

Zemo was pretty awesome. Not only in Civil War but in Falcon & WinterSoldier too.

@@153ridzzzzbro tore apart the avengers in a way ultron and loki could never

And now look what is happening in Amercia and also in Europe... we are on the brink of collapsing from within

All great empires in history have fallen because they have fallen into degeneracy (Rome, USSR, Persia, Maya, etc.).

@@crisis4905we are under occupation

Lego batman is a great movie 😂

even afterward, was Doc Ock ever really a villain? He was a criminal, sure. But his ultimate goal was free energy for the whole world. So, he was only a villain to the energy syndicates

That interaction between Peter and Dr. Octavius is the kind of speech every mentor needs to give there mentees.

@@4Curses Well he was also driven insane by the arms and was building a machine that wasn't going to work and would destroy everything because he had no rationality anymore, believing despite all evidence that it would work. So yes, he was a villain.

Still a great inclusion though.

After no way home seems like Sony and marvel established tht he was never a villain but a mere puppet by the mechanical arms

Yes. I truly believe this line was included to propagandize to people to forget the old Star Wars and all the other IP's they intentionally destroy and instead embrace this new, soulless product.

ikr? why was that line in there it's so shit

😂Oh that's so accurate and funny at the same time because its true. Nice.

Disney really did become the villain of our times didn't it

And none of you are any different. You can’t even open your heart to anything anymore because all you fanboys know is hate. You won’t give anything a chance. You kill Star Wars, not Disney, by using the ideals that the Jedi are against. Fear, anger, hate. And now all you know is suffering

The whole quite is meant as a warning. That you should seek the truth but never forget your ideals.

Later in the movie he was proven wrong by Batman and actually acknowledged it. He made the speech when Batman caught him and was surprised he did not kill him because of Rachel. He was then proving right with Dent becoming two face. He tried his hardest to make Batman a killer but he failed.

Technically it can be universally true. Some "heroes" just don't live that long. At the same time some aspects of "villainy" are subjective.

​@@Aetherothbut with villainy being subjective, that would mean everything we do as a hero would be evil depending on who's looking at us. that doesn't make it a universal truth as it's not universally accepted that you started off as a hero.

@Roniixx I don't fully disagree, but as the theme for a super hero movie it works, and like I said, it could be truth for a superhero or possibly a politician, but otherwise, yeah, it doesn't make alot of sense.

Holy cringe.

@@Crusina I can bet money you watched Breaking Bad and didn't understand anything about it.

​@@1Guason3 you didn't understand breaking bad if you thought walter was right

@Skyfoogle the point went so over your head. Walter was in the wrong. The message was to understand why he did it. Understanding something or someone doesn't mean you agree with it. We understand why Zod wanted to terraform earth. That doesn't mean we think he was in the right either.

​@@Crusina you give holy a bad name with that cringeness

Fassbender is masterful with that character. Most of the best scenes from the X-men movies he stars in are his.

The problem with X-man is that the issue is unsolvable. Humanity have all the rights to fear the mutants, and Magnetto clearly show they should. Until one party GTFO to like another planet situation won't be solved. Because mutant are fundamentally different from humans. Mutants draw strength from individuals, and humans always survived as a collective, where a single person can't do much alone. Yet a single mutant with "correct" powers can enslave or wipe out humanity. The whole francize is depend on "Professor Xavier is not evil".

after all this years in this vital industry, this is the first time i see someone calling magneto by his actual name

@@madzaisa ''all the rights''' bro.. thats one thing that literally makes no sense at all in the marvel universe, if the mutants are such a thing to fear then why tf other non-mutant super people are not treated the same? mutants are not the only super people in the world... i mean jessica jones is pretty out there even showing her face without costume or anything and i don't see shit like this happening to her

I don't think there is anything necessarily wrong with a simple pure evil as long as that is what the movie wants its villain to be and owns up to it. The issues arise in those movies who have villains that are purely evil but can't own up to it or make up their minds on what they want their villains to be so they try to make them seem better than they are and thus you get villains who are kinda all over the place and not that believable. Although as we get older I guess just simple evil becomes less interesting for us than when we were kids. But a simple evil can still be a menacing and a good villain. Sauron from LOTR is one example imo. Your early Vader example works as well.

Correct! Again I realized this on my research and for an example of this is in the movie incredibles 2. The screen slaver hated supers due to their family issue relying on supers. However, close to the end the screen saver didn't have an answer for the super-baby. The baby being a new slate and innocent.

​@KanohiVahi Sauron is sort of not a villain nor is he thee villain of the movie. In a way the ring is the villain. A lot of people have trouble with this and I give them an easy comparison. The time machine vs time machine of the 2000's. The first one has a super abstract villain and the other while abstract villain is present has a physical villain. Most people can't deal with abstract villains anymore. There always has to be someone there to beat up and kill.

​@@EmeraldEdge72 This thread is such an interesting discussion! I think execution based on the type of story you're telling plays an important role too! Writing conventions are mostly a guide, not rules set in stone. Some might argue a pure evil villain is one-dimensional and uninteresting, but LOTR made it work. Same applies to other writing conventions too. "Show don't tell" is a popular rule, to make sure exposition is slipped in without being noticed. But in story-based games like Horizon Zero Dawn a hologram straight up tells you the exposition directly, but most people are invested because the mystery and intrigue is built up really well prior, feeding you just enough to get a glimpse of the story but withholding enough to keep you wanting more. It goes against normal writing rules but it does it very well. Writing is such a fascinating thing, there's not really any bad ideas, just bad execution. So as long as writers take time and care with their work it should be okay, the rules are very flexible and can let people be really creative on how they go about their story!

​@@KanohiVahiAggred with the Sauron and Vader being great examples of simple evil done right. Throwing Little Jack Horner from Puss in Boots 2 as another example

Banes speech reminded me of communists honestly. and the aftermath of what he did is exactly how it played out in the real world. lots of death and even worse living conditions. fear and violence all that remains.

Some of those rich were born poorer than those who claim to be "poor".

​​@@danielhagara1442 The rich are all lucky. They are already lucky to be born in countries that even allow to financially rise somewhat. People in poorer countries don't have that. And most rich people do not come from lower classes. You hyper focus on exceptions to ignore the rule.

Communists always like to think that they love and support the poor, but they really just hate and envy the rich. No system that punishes success can ever succeed because it inevitably becomes a race to the bottom of purity signaling, purity of class, of wealth, of work, of ideology.

Bane was somewhat right: Power and comfort can lead to decadence. But that's only part of it imo. You can be poor and still be a despicable person.

*reasons. None of them are good.

Batman was done really well. Realistic and believable for being a superhero trilogy

The best villains to me are victims of circumstances. It makes me feel like they are just as human as the heroes. And who knows, if the heroes went through what the villains did, maybe they wouldn't be so heroic afterall.

@@Trewq79 Well stated. Bruce Wayne had his parents taken from him and that was an injustice. But Bane saved Talia from the other prisoners and he was punished for that. Then Bane was punished by R'as Al-Gul for merely being a constant reminder of his failure to protect his wife. When virtue is punished it is no wonder that a person reaches a breaking point.

One quote was...two face's you either die a heor or live long enough to see yourself become the villain is true and I see it play itself out over and over even to this day

actually, i feel like he lost his powers due to psychological mental breakdown. it wasn't just him keeping his feelings for MJ inside it was a multiple of things. the stress of living a double life. the responsibilities of Spiderman. the resentment he had. he chooses this life. he chooses to use his powers for good. he resented making that choice because it caused him to give up what he desired the most living a normal life and being with MJ. but he also felt obligated because he feels responsible for his uncle's death that guilt and regret. also losing his best friend Harry. between Spiderman 1 and 2 you can see Peter and Harry aren't as close as they were. so, all of these things are a huge emotional toll. some even traumatic. His Brain made the decision to go into survival mode and before he had a complete mental catatonic breakdown. you see in the film him rapidly sorting everything out mentally. coming to terms with his dual life. not resenting being spiderman slowly accepting Uncle Ben's death wasn't his fault.

Kneel before Zod! But in all seriousness it seems like I should see that film. Thanks for posting.

@@Torgo1969 If you mean Man of Steel, then I would only recommend it if you are okay with Superman. This version of Zod isn't anything like how he's portrayed in Superman 2. They give Zod a clear defined motive and an emotional sense of his duty. Michael Shannon plays him extremely well. On the other hand if you are referring to The Dark Knight, then yes I recommend that as well. Especially if you have a home theater. The sound is just Epic.

@@patrickcromwell7554 I am a big fan of the Nolan Batman Trilogy, especially TDKR because of Bane. As for Superman 2, I don't remember any character depth being shown for Zod and his 2 accomplices, so it looks like this new Zod is a huge improvement.

@@Torgo1969 Yeah superman 2 was just "Zod tried to take over and failed, so....Zod angry" lol. I mean he was obsessed with making Jor El pay which extended to Kal El. But in recent years they've shown many versions where Zod and Jor El were actually best friends; and in one case that I know of even actually brothers (that was from the short lived show Krypton). Man of steel is my personal favorite Superman movie even though it's based on the New 52 Superman who isn't quite as powerful as the Christopher Reeves/Golden Age Superman.

‘You beat me at my own game.’ ‘Don’t flatter yourself. You weren’t even a player.’

That was never actually said by Ozai. It was Zuko quoting him.

@@trueblue6201 Still a good quote, and more true than most would admit.

My favorite is from zod, kyloren, and two face

I want to agree with you, but that would be a lie

I think the whole point of watchmen is that neither side of the battle are ‘completely’ right… kinda just self reported supporting an egotistical murderer that even he begins to ask himself if what he did was right

@@joelrosario1445 This video's comment section is absolutely full of edgy people self-reporting man. It reeks of teenagers who just discovered what Darwinism is and have adopted it as a personality trait because they think it makes them cool and interesting.

​@@arstulexjust self-reported lol.

@@LT-jc4qb?

Im sparking a religious "discussion" I dont really want to put the effort into making, sorry in advance. Faith, or religion, offers an "living" instead of a "survival" in the world of sin we have corrupted. It gives a driving force for what happens after this mortal life we have. So now matter how bad, cruel, or evil the world gets the afterlife will be of peace. Just live a "good" life according to "the teachings" and paradise awaits you. Even aethiesim's belief in nothing afterwords is somewhat peaceful. the words in quotations are "insert specific religious terms here".

No you don't. This kind of thinking only perpetuates cruelty.

​@@mechanomics2649so what's your solution? Nice guys always get bullied and friendzoned

*the capability

Not exactly. Superman still has the DNA samples and tech to clone the Kryptonians. Meaning they are likely to survive even without Zod killing off humans.

Bruh he a beast and underrated

Poor director choices

This comment doesnt explain itself clearly and haven’t no idea what your implying. But Man of Steel was perfect

@faccezitCroc Means, he got in just two movies as General zod. We could have gotten more of him.

@@MyBallzInYourJaws Your right.

Murder Innocents to get revenge. Seems reasonable 😂

Not justified. he pretty much made what happened to him happen to a bunch of other people who had done nothing to deserve it. The rage and vengefulness he feels is valid, but he was not right to take it out on so many innocents.

@@stratosfire1943it’s reasonable when innocents consider all Nazis or Germans “bad” or attack Zemo in the first place, the same can be said about eren Yeager

@@kyledeguzman165 what attempt of logic are you trying to find ? So the random people in the streets and the psychologist and all the U.N. members thought all nazis and Germans were bad ? I'm pretty sure you have literally no basis for your thoughts

@@stratosfire1943that’s called “collateral damage”

A blind nationalism that threatened to kill an entire planet, a 'true' inhuman soldier of war that any state army would love to have but thankfully doesn't exist...yet.

​@@eve_averyMost States today are not nationalistic It's opposite their globalist so i doubt they would love to have him

​@eve_avery it's a different race altogether, it's basically like us genociding the Neanderthals, look at history and see how many species we exterminated

Problem here is he completely misplaced the blame. He blamed the Avengers for the destruction that befell Sokovia, but it was Ultron who's fully to blame. Yes, Tony built him, but he could never have forseen that he would become an entity that would want to destroy humanity, much less the way he tried to go about it.

@@dadbodnerd9894 that’s true, however almost every manufacturer in rl takes responsibility for their creations misgivings

Sometimes you have to become the monster to defeat the monsters. Unfortunately, After the threat has been dealt with, only the husk remains and most of the time, only the Monster remains.Sad but true!

Then you got Black Adam who is proven right!

He is wrong though. God is both all powerful and good, but people forget He is also justice. Humans choose to live without God, and He lets most of us. It is mercy that He saves many and made sure there would still be good in the world, He could justly let us suffer

"Underrated movie" 🤣🤣🤣 that's a good joke. You're funny guy.

@@captaindonut5240Lmao God doesn't exist dude. You don't understand the philosophical problem. It's called the Problem of Evil. I recommend researching it a bit more.

@@captaindonut5240 lol wut? I guess it is all good to allow the owning of slaves by the Israelites. Or stone your son or daughter if they talk back to you. Or commit genocide because they worship the wrong gods. Or kick out your kids out of Eden because you told them not to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge that you yourself placed there in order to cause the fall of humanity and make them suffer. No, Lex was 100% right. God is just an ideal that humans created in their image.

He wasn't right at all

Thanos was mad. Simple reasoning shows his actions weren't right.

"- success can test one's mettle as surely as the strongest adversary." The narrator from Conan the Barbarian.

Western civilization innit

Bane FTW

dang...

Life shouldn't be a constant struggle.

yeah Michael Shannon nailed it hard

Kryptonians were not fit for survival as they were not reasonable not to destroy/exploit Krypton, therefore not worthy to protect.

Yeah, it's too bad he couldn't use his machine on another planet. Instead of an already inhabited one.

Facts Zod was a beast

I love Michael Shannon (what an actor!), but sorry, Zod was a complete fool. Seven unpopulated planets you're free to terra-form to your heart's content, and you choose the populated one defended by Superman?

I came here to say the same. One of the major points of The Dark Knight is that Batman is right in his belief that the people as a whole deserve saving, because they are ultimately more good than bad, whether it's the blowhard on the boat of "good" people who talks a good game about how criminals deserve to die, but can't really do it, or the hardened lifer on the "bad" boat who throws the trigger in the water and sits back down. When the Joker believes he's going to watch fireworks at midnight and Batman is utterly confident (and right) that neither boat will blow the other up, that's the movie telling you that Joker was wrong in this interrogation scene.

@@craigrussell3062 Glad I poked around in the comment section before making my own post because I was going to say pretty much exactly what you did. To anyone who actually paid attention to TDK, Joker was not "COMPLETELY RIGHT", the entire point of that scene is that both Batman and the common people of Gotham proved him wrong at the best possible moment. I guess "QUOTES FROM VILLAINS THAT ARE COOL AND SOUND KIND OF PROFOUND MOST OF THE TIME" isn't quite the snappy title, huh?

It was unrealistic. There would have at the very least been a fight on one of the boats between those for and against it. It also would not necessarily have ended like the movie. People justify terrible things all the time. It just depends completely on who is there to make the decision.

He does prove his point. The Joker wins in the end. As he put it he had an ace in the hole. He wouldn't lose the battle for Gotham's soul in a fist fight with Batman. He took Gotham's white night and brought him down to their level. He may not have demonstrated his point on a larger scale, but with Harvey, the definition of a good, civilized, moral person, becomes a monster just like the Joker, and arguably just like Batman. He proved his point, and created a system that allowed what Bane and the League of Shadows did in the next movie possible. "When the chips are down, these civilized people, they'll eat each other." And the chaos and anarchy that ensues in the next movie is precisely what he was talking about and is exactly what happens.

What is completely stupid about that particular plot point is the fact that it occurs to nobody that they are likely holding their own detonators. If either the civilians or the inmates press the button, they themselves would blow up rather than the other ship.

he is also an idiot who could have terraformed mars without any opposition or the movie needed to introduce the martians.

He is a man with a will, and the means to act on it. Zod is a truth most people fear to hear.

@@beiberns yeqh

The truth hurts, doesn't it?

@@Philthorn huh?

Literally Britain 1938

​@@luck3yp0rk93 britain had alot grime. world war one and workers strikes

Literally the Jedi Order during and before the Prequels.

In other words... Resting on your laurels. You have to keep building on your successes. If you aren't growing, you're dying. Victory will make you weak if you accept it.

The irony of that statement is it describes the United States to a T currently.

I feel like the main problem with Man of Steel was that it was trying to be Batman. It was not a bad movie but it twisted Superman's character into what it wasn't, I absolutely LOATH the bits with Pa Kent his callousness and cruelty towards Clark and those other kids, that's not Superman's story.

Nice effects but it had no soul.

It was bad but it wasn't good either.

@@HubiKoshiIf they wanted to do grimdark Superman, they should have done an adaptation of the Superman: Speeding Bullets comic, where he lands in Gotham and is adopted by the Waynes instead of the Kents, and the parents are still murdered, so you get Batman with all of Superman's powers.

The best superhero fight scene in the terms of showing what god-like beings can do to their surrounding while fighting . I love MoS

I'd say the one exception was Bane in DKR. Given he intended to blow up the city with the people he "inspired" still in it I don't think he really believed his own words so much as he just said what people wanted to hear.

​@@icanilis6789 yeah I always thought it was layered too, like he's saying something that has truth but weaponizing it for his own agenda. He's almost mocking the idea like what he's saying and what they're doing is purposeless. Bane is power by both anger, revenge, and nihilism.

Bane lived long enough to see himself become the villain.

Historically speaking though even up to the present that is a valid and surprisingly effective tactic as morally reprehensible as it is. I mean most foundings of empires throughout history start with exactly that premise with varying degrees of justifications for the killing part. Can you explain the difference between zod and the early American colonials?

@@zachary3367 very true. But Keep in mind, not all settlers & colonials made war with the Indians...

-Why bother

One of the best

"The one thing people love more than a hero is to watch a hero fail, fall, die trying."

In what way is "Even if you do the right thing people will hate you, so don't bother" completely right? Sounds like utter nonsense to me. You should do the right thing _because_ it's the right thing, not because you want to be 'liked' for doing it. That's what makes a hero a hero. They do the right thing even if doing so comes at some cost to themselves, even if it incurs hardship or great difficulty. Doing the right thing only when it's convenient for yourself or will benefit you in some way is not heroic.

​@@arstulex it's just a truth about life you don't necessarily have to be a hero you can even just be a normal person doing good things and often you'll find out people is quick to forget the good you've done and to hate you at the first mistake you make, so Goblin is right in that sentence.

@@arstulex As far as I can see the quote is "why bother?" not "don't bother." A question, not a conclusion. Presumably a hero would have a heroic answer to the question. The statement before the question is right IMO.

Until accidentally misgendered him 😬

​@@christopherneufelt8971Say less. No please, stop talking.

Hes basically Hitler.

It's worth noting that superman mentality is struggling between kill or not kill when fighting zod. On one hand, he is the only crptonian left, the last of his kind, but on the other hand, he is killing earthlings, the people supes wanted to protect.

@@christopherneufelt8971 That's a problem with basically all superheroes, they fight the symptoms not the cause because stories that address those are "too political" for some people. Superheroes exist to maintain the status quo first and foremost, so the villains despite having correct assessments have to be written to arrive at violent conclusions in a contrived way.

Lockdown was the most badass transformers villain ever

Nothing No such thing as aliens God only made this earth I guess aliens are possible But i doubt it

The way he says “You have no idea” says to me that he’s seen things so powerful so terrifying that we wouldn’t even comprehend them.

@@hawk66100 and you would be 1,000,000 times correct and more. Humanity are nothing but walking talking CATTLE, a bunch of piss ants compared to what is out there.

​@@rianmacdonald9454presumably you either have faith in God or proof of eti.