Story 5: Sorry, but being family does NOT excuse property destruction. If it has to take court papers to get the money for a replacement laptop, even if it means breaking every family tie in existence, then so be it. The act of destruction was literally out of envy, why would I just brush that off if I was OP or OP's daughter? Heck, just flip the script and see what the reactions are
What's worse is that the family is telling her to let it go. The only reason they're saying that is because it wasn't THEIR very expensive property. Seriously, the nerve and hypocrisy of some people.
The last story OP if your sister is refusing to pay for the repairs to the Mac book 😢 sister the option of either buying your daughter a new one or it’s of to court we go as it was so obvious that they deliberately effed your daughters Mac bk up as for the rest of the family I’d be asking them if they have any idea of how much this jealous stunt hurt your daughter and that their attitude about the situation made you both feel like they all had their backsl😊
@@AnimaMandala Would have replied to all of them that you thank them for the donation of x amount, and when are they going to pay it, as you need to buy a new laptop. Only when all is paid in will you drop the charges, and you can bet all the family will immediately say that the one who damaged it must pay for it, not them.
I heard this story from other RU-vidrs, and some of the comments from those videos or the actual post said that it is a culture thing. The entitled mom and kid culture is known for having moms spoil their sons well into adulthood.
Story 5: I’d absolutely be taking them to court for the repairs or for a replacement, since they’re responsible. Any family member that says I should let it go would be banned from my life. No questions asked, they’re booted out.
Also telling those that want OP to drop it, are they gonna pay for it then? If anything, OP needs to put everyone that told them to drop it on blast, grill them into seeing logic rather than the brain-dead excuse of "Faaaaamiiiillyyyyyyyy!!!!1!!11!"
Yeah, I'd be going for a replacement given how new the laptop is. And given that it was an intentional act, not an accident. I'd make a police report and charge the mom AND the kid.
Last Story: Take her to court. Her and the daughter came into OPs house with the explicit intent of destroying the laptop and the evidence shows that. There was no reason for the Sister to be hiding in the upstairs bathroom (one she knows is off-limits when one on the ground floor is available) and there was no reason for her daughter to be in OP's daughter's room with the blender. And the fact said blender was poured entirely onto the laptop and not a glass says it all. And they did it on the father's birthday, knowing they'd have an audience for the blowout. That was entirely malicious. Buy a replacement and take them to court for the costs of it as well as getting a restraining order as there's clear bullying with intent to harm against the daughter.
Story 5: the original poster absolutely needs to take her sister-in-law for everything that she can. She needs to be held accountable and be shown that her actions do in fact have consequences regardless of if they are family or not.
yeah the fact she could had AVOIDED ALL THIS and not look like a C word. "oh its fine since were family" yeah no cause if op does it then the sister in law would sue her and everyone be on her side
On the last story, I would have told those relatives that IF they replaced that brand new laptop with the exact same model, and accessories, brand new, THEN I would consider not pressing charges. Let them put their money where their mouth is.
Story 2: Darwin award moment. That 29 yr-old's idiocy could've badly injured (or even killed in the worst case) everyone because he wanted to be a show-off. And his mom is allergic to accountability. Both should be glad nobody was badly hurt, because it could've ended much worse
What were the idiots even doing on the trail anyway, considering that up until Jr decided to play Tarzan they were both complaining about bugs, trees, and mud?
Story 5: NTA. I would be sending them a letter with the cost to repair/replace the laptop, and any other related costs with a 30 days before lawsuit would be filed to get the money. and I would follow through with it. You trespass where you were told was out of bounds... then break property, then try to shrug it off... not to me.
TA - you should always ask for them to voluntarily give compensation first, before dragging to court. Same for when she called the cops on them to get them thrown out instead of just asking them to leave.
Story 2: I judged the kid around 8 or 9 from the behavior. Story 5: Would depend how easily I can replace the Macbook but if I'd pay for the repairs I would never ever reinvite Karen and her daughter until the damages have been paid. If it would be a financial strain, I'd sue! But she is definitely not the a-hole!
Yeah I could easily imagine myself at 8 or 9 doing something dumb and then grabbing a random person to try and save myself at their expense. I thought his behavior was actually age appropriate but his mom was being a Karen instead of saying “yeah that’s why everyone told you not to sprint, silly” until I heard he was 29
Story 5 - Being family is no excuse for that behavior. Shame on the rest of the family for telling her to let the issue go. Replace it or have a court date!
@@bl4ckhearts802 they’d probably make it sound like OPs kid committed murder. It’s funny how they are ok with property damage as long as it’s not theirs.
Yeah, that’s the biggest thing I’ve learned from these stories. Wish I could still take my grandmother to court for pulling my laptop to the floor and busting the hard drive because she couldn’t be bothered to watch her feet and caught it on the cord. Did she offer any money? No. Did she demand money from me when her cell phone went through the wash because she forgot to empty her pockets? Of course!
Final Story - NTA and I Absolutely would sue the sister. Her niece purposely ruined her daughter’s Mac Book so the Sister and niece should pay for a new one. It doesn’t matter that they’re family!
Story 5: Any family member who thinks the sister shouldn't have to pay is welcome to set up a gofundme for her. Expecting the victim to pay for damages caused by somebody else is not "how family works."
If it were an accident, I'd be more forgiving. But going to an access forbidden floor and deliberately dumping juice onto a piece of electronic equipment...yeah, pay up or we're going to court.
Story 2 - 29 years old!? Are you freak’n kidding me?! From the way OP was describing the story and how Karen was talking to her son I thought that the EK was a preteen or teenager, but 29!? OP’s mom and Best Friends mom were badass to put that Karen in her place and they should’ve given the video to the police and charge them for endangering others.
@@Shuichisaihara5499She successfully abused him to the point of permanent dependency. She didn't want her baby to grow up into an adult and not need her anymore.
Story 5: OPs niece destroys her Macbook and her sister calls OP entitled when she calls her out for it. OP should definitley sue. Family be damned! OP is definitely NOT the AH.
Story one.... It'd be funny if she had that Porsche towed, and then got sued by the actual owner for GTA, and had to pay the tow and impound fees. 😅 Story two.... Girl Hiker should have kicked the kid off her leg! 🤨 Story three.... Karen: "Give me the keys!" Me: "Are you insane, B!?" 😡
The girl likely didn't have the proper footing to kick him off her leg and considering it was a 29 year old man his weight and grip would have made it more difficult than if it was an actual kid.
Story 3 - Wow just… wow….. The car is OP’s property and he told them ‘No’ multiple times and told Karen to get her brat out of their car and she refused. OP should’ve called the police on Karen for assault, trespassing and child endangerment.
@@raarasunai4896 I almost caused an accident simply because another driver couldn't believe the type of car I was driving. good thing we were in traffic, and it was slow go cause he just starred at me instead of looking ahead at the cars in front of him. and, to be honest it wasn't my car. it was my mother's who had lent it to me so I could drop my aunt (her sister) at home. sadly it was a short drive, but had my aunt decide to relocate to other countries I'd have driven her there too
Story 5: Definitely NOT the AH. I would've done worse than simply "asking" for the repairs cost, as it was intentional damage. I would've sued for destruction of property, demand repairs or a replacement, also ask a large amount of money for emotional distress, and place restraining orders. If someone from my family was to take their side instead of mine? I would've told them to back off.
It is the old toxic way of keeping it in the family. The elders were told as children to stay away from certain family members and not to be alone with them. So they teach their children to pass that mindset of keep it all in the family and family is everything
Story 5: The idea of families having each others' backs is fantastic when it works that way. In many cases, though, it seems to be more like "you need to have their back, and they don't owe you jack." Screw that. Support works both ways. OP shouldn't have to make their kid miss out on the laptop that they won just because "family." If this family really wanted to be somewhat supportive, they would all pitch in and pay for the repairs. If they wanted to be truly supportive, they would teach the entitled brat a lesson and make her mow lawns and/or clean houses until she had earned the cost of the repairs.
Story 5: If the whole family wants OP to "drop it", then OP should be allowed to go to her sister's house, get the most expensive thing in her niece's room, and let her daughter destroy it. How about that?
Story 5, NTA. I'd be asking the people who are saying to drop it or calling OP entitled if they're going to be paying for the repairs instead. And that what niece did was intentional and criminal, and that they can pay for the entire costs of repair/replacements by themselves instead.
Story 2: I was envisioning a 10 year old kid. When you said 29 my jaw dropped. Story 5: NTA. Not only did the cousin do it, the cousin was at an off limits part of the house and had taken the smoothie to a part of the house where it didn’t belong.
The end of the last post was just puzzling to me. The rest of the family sides with the EB and her Mom? Because they’re family? When did being family give anyone license to destroy other family members property out of jealousy and a false sense of entitlement?
Story 1 - Wow this is a new one for me. A Karen thinks OP drives a brand new Porsche when he showed her which car he really drives. Normally it’s the other way around but Karens are not known for being intelligent.
Say I'm sorry if you feel I'm entitled that when her kid destroys my kids property and he's being replaced. I'll remind her that when her kid does that to one of your kids or one of your stuff. Yes take her to court. It's the only way she's ever going to learn boundaries.
Story 3! Many years ago I had to grab a kid about 8 year old brat who kept deliberately running into me and escort him to his indifferent mother! She got really incensed about me "manhandling her child", and threatened to call the cops! I said, fine, but if she allowed him to run into me again she would be needing to call more than the cops because I would be manhandling HER, not the kid! I said in low quiet voice so that she would believe I was dead serious!
Story 5 OP's daughter is closer family than the niece. That intentional destruction of the Mac Book needs to be addressed. Take her to court with the replacement value. Who knows how much damage was done.
I saw a similar story, but the woman DID call the cops, and the asshole cop LET the woman take the car thinking the man was lying about it being his. Cop did not even bother asking for licence and registration, just believed the woman, and hauled the guy to jail. The chief came in, asked what was going on, because the chief knew the OP, and the OP told the chief what happened. The arresting officer went pale and tried to shout that OP was lying. And then the chief told the arresting cop that he KNEW that car because he'd helped OP get parts for it when OP was restoring it. The arresting officer, chief, and OP went back to the lot to find the OP's car was gone, the woman and HER car was gone, and they put an APB out for the car. The car was found in a ditch, half-burned, and VERY badly vandalized. All the windows smashed, and the radio and speakers having been ripped out of it and stolen. They found the woman another county over in a motel. She'd used the money to get drugs and she and her BF resisted arrest when they were arrested. The OP's car was totaled, not fixable. Between insurance, and the money the idiot officer who LET the woman steal OP's car gave to OP, he was able to get another car that looked nearly exactly like the one he'd had, and after another year of work, with the rest of the money, he was able to fix the car up like new and get it on the road.
I remember that story. At least in that case, the junior cop was held responsible by his supervisor, accepted the fact that he'd made an awful mistake, took his punishment, learned from it, and if I recall correctly, has become an excellent officer and it sounded like he and OP were now friends, or at least friendly.
I would never dream of snooping around my siblings houses and just using their belongings without permission ! I was once staying at my sister’s house after I’d been attacked in my own home and I was too afraid to return at the time. I was sleeping in my nephew’s old bed (he was living at his dad’s house at the time) and because I was much heavier than him, when I lost my balance (I’m disabled) and fell back on to the bed, it broke beneath me. I told my sister that it was an accident and she told me not to worry; she was going to buy him a new bed anyway. I would have paid for it but at the time I didn’t have a lot of money coming in and because my sister and I are very close (although she’s 15 my senior), she let it pass.
Story 5: OP isn't really a member of that family with how they're being treated. In their shoes I'd try and get people to 'get it' but from the acknowledged past history of enabling et al of the entitled relatives..... it's probably only worth the weakest token effort at most. Move on and make new bonds. The weak ties of an accident of birth are not worth being treated like dirt.
Anyone uses the "but family!" line should be informed of a very important truth. You can choose your friends, but not your family, so if a family member is trash, why do I owe them anything, its not my fault they're trash.
Story 1: Look EL, some people can’t own 100K+ cars like that Porsche. I’m sorry, but it’s the hard truth lady no matter what. You don’t know someone’s financial situation!!!
@PrincessSunnyoftheSandWings Yes, they should! Seriously, that lady was a dumbass. If I was in OP's shoes, I would say something like, "Oh yeah, I, a blue-collar worker, can TOTALLY afford a brand new one hundred thousand dollar Porche." Although, if I'm really honest, a 100k Porche isn't my dream car. No, that honor goes to the 1968 Chevrolet Camaro SS 396 muscle car.
I've had a similar situation as the last story. Was years ago when I was in my early 20's. My sister had twin boys and two cats, she'd just left her husband for reasons I won't get into. My parents, which I lived with, decided to allow her to come stay with us until she could get back on her feet. Now, before this I had moved most of my childhood stuffed animals into the basement to store, in garbage bags. No problems there, right? Well with her two cats now using the storage room as their bathroom, with a litter bin, they somehow soiled on my bags of stuffed animals. I don't know how the smel got in on them, I guess there were holes in the bags. There had to be dozens of stuffed animals in those bags. The only reason I found out that her cats had done so is the smell was coming out of the room fairly strongly. So I walked in, followed my nose and wouldn't you know it? The smell came off the bags. I opened the bags and proceeded to realize that 90% or more were ruined. Some of those stuffed animals I'd had since I was a very young child. When I confronted my sister about this, and asked what she was going to do about it, she responded with "They're cats, I can't control where they went." When asked if she was going to somehow pay me back for the losses she snorted and told me to get over it, they're just stuffed toys.
I hope you got the stuffed animals cleaned and left your sister to foot the bill. A friend of mine was living with our other friend and had the misfortune of having his plushies tossed out by the family of our other friend simply because the family refused to let him have them back after a bedbug outbreak in the house. They also had the nerve to blame him for the bedbugs just because there happened to be a small concentration of them in my friend's room. He managed to save only like two of them and many had been gifts from his late mother.
story 5: if it was something accidental, then i'd most likely just forgive the family member and let it go and replace it when i could, but considering Op says the smoothie shouldnt have been upstairs, that upstairs was off limits, that strongly implies it was done intentionally, in which case, yes i would take a family member to small claims over it, doesnt matter if they are family, nobody should get to cause intentional damage and NOT suffer any consequences
Yes I would take her to small claims court not for repairs but for a brand new one! You family doesn't take family to court? I say family doesn't destroy a family members property - especially on purpose!
Story number five: Absolutely NOT the butthole. OP would only be the butthole if she didn't take her sister to court. I just can't wrap my head around this kind of behavior. Being so envious and narcissistic that they would destroy someone else's property, in this case family is, it just boggles my mind. Her sister is an entitled parent and her niece is growing up to be a monster. At bare minimum, her niece has no respect for boundaries, zero regard for the word no being a complete sentence as well as a totally valid response and nothing resembling a sense of accountability. It's of no surprise to me whatsoever. After all, how can OP's niece understand any of those qualities when even her own mother doesn't grasp those concepts? She's been coddled her entire life as everyone has made excuses for her by declaring it's just her “fiery personality.” Brushing off her obvious toxic personality traits has only emboldened her and made her think that she's bulletproof. I think OP should absolutely take her sister to court. Any family telling her to drop it or let It go are just as bad as her sister and her niece. However, she has to be prepared for it to divide the family and for anyone who thinks that she's in the wrong to permanently go no-contact if she chooses that route. If it were me, and that happened, I would just think the trash took itself out.
Story 5: The lawsuit never happened, but I did get threatened with both a lawsuit after I refused to just eat the cost of repairing a broke computer. Basically a distant cousin let her idiot kid break her fathers business laptop. He did this by just letting her son take it apart because he was curious about that it looked like inside. Broke a lot of stuff in it too. She begged me to fix it, which I did. Didn't even charge her for work, just parts. Cost me about $300ish for the parts, but after I refused to do the work until I got paid she threw a tantrum and stared talking smack to our entire extend family about me and about how I was going to make her and her kids starve. Long story short I at least got my cash, but not from her. Her grand father ended up just giving me the money. If I hadn't been already hurting for cash myself I might have let it go, but I was.
On the last story, op DON'T DROP THE CHARGES, they both need to learn a lesson. Also to the rest of your family tell them to SHUT UP and keep their noses OUT OF IT.
Story 5: Serve her with court papers if she doesn't pay. You are not the Ahole. I would take anyone to court if the cause is just. The sister 's only defence is that she is family
1st story I worked at a restaurant and had blocked off parking spaces in prep of a delivery As the truck is waiting I start pulling the cones and a person tears into a space right in front of the truck. When I ask the driver 3 times to please move they refuse as they'll move when they are ready I had the driver pull foward until his grill is about a foot from her window and blow his horn. Her cell phone flew out of her moon roof and the look of terror in her eyes as she saw nothing but grill. She throws her car into reverse and they puts her car into the ditch/hill on that side of the store. The best part was the police officer who saw the whole scene on his dash and body cams as he goes over to her and starts writing tickets for failure of vehicle control, reckless driving, reckless endangerment and a few other tickets
No, family should not work that way. You, as a 'mother', aided your child in destruction of personal property. OP most definitely should file charges. OP, your child comes first. If the other family members don't like it, than they can lump it. Honestly! Some people!
Last story. OP isn't the AH. If you break it, you buy it. No matter if you're family. In my opinion it's more important if you're family. If you break a family members things you should replace it to keep the peace. It's not the victim who's obligated to be a doormat.
Sadly, it sounds like this family has made OP the doormat forever. So a lot of them won't be able to accept her standing up for her and her daughter. So sue them. No one needs or deserves those sorts of family relationships.
That last story, if it was me, I'd tell the family, "I'll drop it, IF she pays for the repairs or replacement of the laptop, just because you're family doesn't mean that you or anyone else gets a free pass to damage my property without paying for it. Or I'll go to each of your houses and damage something of yours and pull the same bull shit 'we're family' like when you demand I fix/replace it."
If the laptop wasn't powered up at the time it might be salvageable, but I wouldn't trust it; replacement all the way! Odds are good that even with an Apple product, replacement would be cheaper (and a lot faster) than a good and thorough repair from a reputable shop (probably would have to be the Apple dealer).
Story 3: this kid is a huge of a brat and was probably fed with a golden spoon, when i was a kid I wanted to ride in a car and a couple years i got a chance and it was amazing, so i don't know why kids are now interested in expensive cars
I've never understood the appeal of a convertible for multiple reasons but the threat of randos trying to sit in _my_ car is a thousand steps over the line.
The first one. It wouldve been funny if OP managed to know the car person. Moved their car for them. Then given the guys the info on the day saying to call her. Why? So that when they call her. They can be like "Yeah the school told me the porche owner that you told someone to steal my car."
People that don't treat family decently won't have family to rely on for very long. I have family that try to scam me every chance they get, then wonder why no one will even take their calls anymore.
For story 3 and the entitled mom and the car. OP should just show up to her house with a kid. Just walk in and take a room for yourself and your kid. Then when she asks what you are doing, just say your kid wants to live in your house. When she argues just say if my kid wants to live in your house, he will live in your house.
I am not a Mac person but part of that is because Mac products are EXPENSIVE. Let the rest of the family know the list price, the repair cost, AND the whole story leading up to this. If this doesn't embarrass sister dear into paying for the repairs, file suit. She's better off without the sister and anyone who would side with her with all facts known. Fiery? More like hellion.
If a Karen ever "asks" for something really expensive, like an expensive car, just let them have it and immediately report it as stolen. If they're not pulled over immediately, they'll be pulled over at some point and then we'll all get to see them on one of the Bodycam Footage RU-vid channels,desperately trying to explain why she's sat in a car that was reported stolen three days ago by a Mr. Smith when her Surname is Jones. On top of GTA and whatever else they get pulled for,if they trigger any speed or traffic cameras, you can wave you having to pay because "My car was stolen two days before that camera clocked it going 30 in a 20 Zone and I've the Crime Number to prove it so,if anyone is to pay,it's the woman who stole my car,your Honour.."
Story 1- My sentiments were the same as OP's. When he mentioned the Porsche, my first thought was, "A janitor who can afford a Porsche? I need to get a job at that school!" Story 2 - My first thought was, "That kid needs a good spanking!" Then I thought, "His mother needs a good spanking!" Then I thought, "They both need a good spanking!" I'm glad they at least got a good chewing out. Story 3 - If I'd been one of those witnesses, I'd have said, "You want to call the police? I saw the whole thing, so you go ahead and call them. I dare you. I double-dare you!" Story 5 - I dunno. I understand OP's perspective, and I'd certainly be furious if I were in her shoes. If she took it to court, I think she would have a strong case. On the other hand, as the old preacher Vance Havner used to say, "A bulldog can always whip a skunk, but it's just not worth it." Would a lawsuit be worth all the fallout that's sure to follow? That's for OP to decide, of course, but she does need to take that into account.
Last story: OP would be the AH if she didn’t sue her for the computer. The entitlement has to end at some point. And if I were OP I wouldn’t care if I ever spoke to her again.
Story number five Unfortunately, you’re going to have to call her out on this. Just turn off all your devices for about a week so you don’t have to deal with all the junk. The rest of your family send you I wish you both the best.
Story 1: It's not common that I hope a Karen gets what she wants but, just to prove that I'm not unreasonable, I am not too proud to admit that I hope that Karen got the sports car towed (probably didn't happen unfortunately). There's a piece of me that would REALLY love to know exactly why she thought some random cleaner owned that car though. Like it could be because she's crazy and delusional, but I think it's much healthier to assume that there had to be SOME reason she disregarded the little voice in her head screaming "THERE IS NO WAY A CLEANER COULD AFFORD TO DRIVE THIS CAR". Literally the only reason I can come up with is that the OP was the first person she saw (as you said). TBH it would make more sense if instead of a "you picked up someone else's keys" line she said "I know it isn't your car you moron... I want you to have it moved because you work here so it's your job to satisfy me". Story 5: That evil part of me says "Oh, family doesn't work that way? ok i'll take a baseball bat to all your windows and crowbar open your front door... no i'm not paying for repairs because family doesn't work that way".
Last story. In the words of David Glasgow Farragut , " damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead"! Sue the sister and block all the family members that are against you. Who needs them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wonder if that Porsche lady grew up so sheltered from the real world that it just doesn't compute that a custodian can't afford a car like that. Or maybe she realized her mistake but is too proud to admit it and doubled down on it. In which case she only made herself look stupid.
Oof, that pains me to hear how the kid was treating OP's car. If he had damaged anything, the cost would be *much* more than you'd think (even figuring it'd cost more than usual), and if he'd damaged anything with the transmission...unless OP knows how to take it apart to work on, you can't take classic vehicles to just any shop.
Last Story: Everybody is willing to over look the transgressions of a family member till it starts costing them real money. I'd offer the everyone in the family two choices: either pay for a new laptop or start taking Sis to court.
