r/Metalcore's awesome bands that now suck... 

*Crabcore Life - P.S. No crabs were harmed in the making of this video*

No one hates metalcore more than metalcore fans

I did not expect that a man in a crab suit would be giving solid and sound opinions.........yup this timeline is wacked.

2022 I am listening to a dude in a crab costume talk about metalcore and am taking him 100% serious... we have come a long way as a species

Gesticulating with those crab claws to get your point across is simply the best!

I can't take Nik serious in that suit, even if he would talk about ending his YT Chanel and twitch streams, I still would laugh my ass off

Who tf would even think Panic at the disco was Metalcore? LMAO

As someone who enjoys both metal and pop, I’ve never gotten that upset when bands lose a bit of their metal stylings (Bad Omens, Architects, and Bring Me are some of my favorite bands)

Fans whose dislike of a given band is proportional to their popularity mostly revolves around this sense of feeling special for liking the band when they were small. The fans were there first when no one cared so when other people around them start caring, the fans feel less special. And the fans don't like this feeling and this translates into hostility.

I understand why there are people with this opinion, which makes me even more excited for people to hear our new album next year. And as always, appreciate the kind words my dude. Looking forward to sharing some with you soon =>

Honestly, I think it's kinda disrespectful to judge Architects for their new sound. They're not selling out like some of the other mentioned bands. They lost their main songwriter. So yeah, shit's gonna sound different. And while I personally don't like it as much either, I'm hella glad they found a way to keep going. When your main songwriter dies, chances are you're done for good. But Architects pulled through. That's what counts. It'll never be the same without Tom, but it doesn't have to be. That's life.

Even if a band changes their sound to something I really don't like, I'm just happy they're still enjoying making music. I wish them the best. Their old stuff will always be there.

this was by far the best stream i've watched from nik ever

as a person in brazil when i find a band that i really like i hope they get huge quick for a slim hope of seeing them live

i got a tdwp tattoo and i’m so happy i get to see them progress as time goes on. color decay is absolutely beautiful

Nick! Thanks for highlighting All That Remains. I had fallen off with them, but you're right, it's Ollie's last piece of work. So much of my playing was and still is inspired by The Fall of Ideals. That album made me push myself harder on guitar. It motivated me to get the John Petrucci Rock Discipline DVD and really put in the work. Now I'm gonna go listen to that ATR album, thanks to you. 🤘

I share the Asking Alexandria sentiment and don't as much as look at the albums after the self-titled, but in the end you just shrug and listen to something you like. AA embraced their change, I didn't and that's just the way the cookie crumbles sometimes, no reasons to hate it or bitch about it

Waking the fallen is literally the album that got me not just into metalcore but metal with screaming in general.

I am so glad so many people agree with me on AA, Danny started to fall off right before he left the band and I was worried Dennis wouldn't be a suitable replacement but I later found out his rise to fame came from doing covers of the OG AA, the good stuff, so when they went from hard rock back to skinny jeans and black tee's I felt soooo relieved. I was so happy until they kicked him out and brought Danny back, after hearing We Are Harlot broooooo I was scared.

I agree with Atreyu. From Suicide Notes and Butterfly kisses to what ever the fuck Baptized is. Alex legit left because he wanted to be in a heavy metal band with breakdowns. He knew what direction Atreyu was going in and he knew it was bad

I love when bands try new sounds. Then integrate what works from their experiments into something even better. The issue with Architects for me is how weak the lyrics are, I find them distractingly poor. As an aside; Josh is just left standing there, massively under-utilised too. On the subject of tattoos I knew someone who got a full back Lost Prophets tattoo 😬

Bad Omens (imo) is a perfect example of a band who can change their sound and still manage to make it incredible. “The Death Of Peace Of Mind” is such a well-crafted masterpiece of an album for it being something totally different from their original work. I wish BMTH would have evolved the way BO did and it’s a huge shame with the amount of potential they had. I’m highly surprised they weren’t on the list honestly.

I think Asking Alexandria wouldn’t be on this list if they had kept the sound of the self-titled album, which wasn’t metalcore, but had a lot of heavy moments and some experimental parts too. Unfortunately, they had to go full butt rock after that. EDIT: And now Ben Bruce is gone. There's really no hope for them now.

I’m so thankful that THIS was the episode I was able to catch this week. The costume to the INSANE donations made this just a great stream. Always thanks to the mods!

100% agree with The Word Alive. The members are all super talented (or they were cuz they borderline all left) but maaan their last couple of records were incredibly bland and boring. Dark Matter and everything prior were incredible IMO

Nik trying to make serious points about criticising bands changing their styles based on what they like playing. Also Nik: dressed like a crab.

The Stage is one of my favourite albums ever, but hail to the king wasn’t my favourite. And agree on you about walking the fallen

All that remains is why I am into metalcore and started sing. Because of the darkest heart and the fall of ideals

ALL THAT REMAINS The Fall of Ideals and This Darkened Heart are 2 of the best metalcore albums ever. They've had several lineup changes and even a death so somewhere they allowed a small amount of success go to their heads and they completely changed their sound and started making ballads.

I'm so glad I don't ever have to worry about TDWP putting out bad music 😩

Ive been listening to The Cursed since it first came out back in 2004, and I still fuck with it as hard now as I did back then. Youre right, there is a TON of nostalgia tied to that album...especially The Remembrance Ballad

A7X's "City of Evil" is an S-Tier album that none of their albums have come even close to touching. Such a fantastic journey of an album from top to bottom. Don't get time wrong, they have a lot of great albums, and the self-titled was a perfect follow-up... But still nothing comes close.

The claw coming up gesturing is killing me xD

For me the main thing is not really the bands wanting to change their style on future albums, but not playing much of their old stuff live or straight up refusing to play it and basically shitting on that style of music even though that’s what got them to where they are now. Even if they can’t do the harsh vocals as well anymore they could get some crowd participation or something to help out

Rings of Saturn was so huge in the Bay Area. One time we went and saw Job For A Cowboy in SF and they brought on ROS singer and the whole crowd lost our shit it was an incredible surprise.

U should do, Metalcore bands that didn’t suck 20 years(or so) ago and still don’t suck till today. let me start with one, The Devil Wears Prada

Man I'm so glad I'm not a part of the metal community. Shit's more toxic than a GTA Online lobby. I just like the music that I like and I like Nik Nocturnal. That's about the extent of my involvment and interest in metal. I honestly don't even listen to metal anymore. Just doesn't fit my vibes anymore. However, I respect the fuck out of it and I like to stay somewhat current with it and that's where Nik comes in. Out here providing news and funny content. It's great. Edit: can't fucking wait for Lorna Shore to drop the rest of Pain Remains, though. That is the next evolution of metal and it very well might drag me back in.

Really enjoyed watching the crustacean claw wave around as he made points. 10/10 should be a permanent thing now

From the UK. Been watching your channel since beginning of covid. Love the content and introduced me to many gd bands.🤘

God damn it when you zoomed on the claw hand affirming the chat, that one got me

Went and listened to Victim of the New Disease. It is pretty damn good not gonna lie. Some serious guitar work.

I got an A7X deathbat tattoo way back when Waking the Fallen came out. Sounding the Seventh Trumpet was also a good album. Didn’t like City of Evil or anything after. But I can agree with some of these. Atreyu will never be the same without Alex on vocals. Used to like Bleeding Through a lot but the new songs aren’t doing it for me. I don’t think the new Parkway Drive is terrible and you can still her some of that nostalgia in the music but I just can’t get into it. I appreciate Winston trying the singy screamy stuff and love they are doing what THEY want and trying something different. Just doesn’t have the same excitement to me as the older music. Throwdown… went from hardcore to sounding like a Pantera cover band. And I know members of that band personally. Still friends with a couple of them.

I feel the same about All That Remains for one I think Phil Labonte is a really underrated vocalist his screams are some of the best in all of Metalcore in my opinion and sound just as good live as they do on the album, and yeah sure they go back and forth between hard rock and Metalcore on there newest albums but they are still super heavy when they choose to be. Their songs on their new albums still hit and are good dating all the way back to For We Are Many when they started experimenting and including more hard rock influences into some of their sound. I agree The Fall Of Ideals and Overcome are my top two favorites albums but them but they still put out good songs and are one of my favorites bands to this day

A7X's The Stage is so good! It's my second fav of theirs just after City

Listening to a man in a crab suit. Now thats fncking metal

Can't agree more on _From Death to Destiny_ ! I used to play that on loop constantly and I _still_ would in 2022. It is fantastic!

Would love you too share your metal playlist on spotify :)

One of my favorite bands growing up was trust company. Then they stopped making music for a really long time, got back together, and made like a love song album that was nothing like their old stuff

I go back a listen to the black full album at least once every 2 weeks

I have a mixed opinion about bands that drastically change their style. Like, yeah, its nice to see then trying new things, it's important for them to grow as musicians and stuff. But on the other hand, I can totally understand the hate they recieve. Like, sometimes their new music isn't even bad, but it's like they threw away everything that make them "them" and it's now a totally different band. It's like you're reading an amazing thriller/mystery book, and in the next volumes they turn the story into a romcom or something.

Plus Phil from ATR is probably the sweetest man alive. Straight up nice dude. I love their work

Serious question... how come after the mention of All that remains you cut in old school Attack Attack LMAO. Got me good. Sticky even.

Definitely Atreyu for me. The Curse is really good and Suicide Notes and Butterfly Kisses is something special, every song is amazing. Lip Gloss and Black is one of my favorite songs ever. But after that I like them less and less

at 2:30 Emo Sebastian starts spitting some facts

So agree about the tattoo. That's why I have Breakdown of Sanity tattoo, though they've disbanded, at least their song/style never changes 🤘🏻🔥

I keep getting distracted by the crab claw when Nick's trying to make points.

You know what makes me happy to see people not list? BlessTheFall. Then, the devil wears prada, OG bmth, OG asking alexandria, and a few others, all were my gateway bands when i was in middleschool. I know some of these ARE on the list tho and i somewhat agree with some just because the new sound of some of these bands just isnt my taste. Didnt really like BTF with Craig tho, there were some bangers and im sure his vocals have improved but duing his time with BTF before Baeu, his vocals needed some work imo. Also Of Mice & Men. Everything with Austin in the band was so good. Dont get me wrong, Aaron is still killing it but Austins vocals were iconic, even in Attack Attack. Also, with Attack Attack, Caleb when he was on vocals. Still killing in in beartooth too. Feeling so nostalgic just thinking of these bands and artist.

I think that AA's latest album is dope for what it is. Their self titled album is objectively really really good tho. And yeah, FDTD is fucking good haha (my AOAT)

For real, I'm so sad where parkway drives' sound ended up. Horizons was fire.

8:30 yoooooo I didn't know All That Remains brought back the heavy shit, I was introduced to them back in 9th grade with Weak Willed, shit changed my life, I went down the Metalcore rabbit hole after that, but then they started putting out softer stuff so I hadn't checked back in a couple years. Gota hear this song now

8:53 The Stage is a phenomenal album, an otherworldly experience where every track serves its purpose to guide you through an emotional rollercoster with heavy passages, beautiful melodies, jazzy and bluesy moments, amazing drumming patterns and the best guitar soloing you'll ever hear in metal in this decades. The problem is that the average core kid A7X fan is too close minded to appreciate something more mature and complex like The Stage.

It's quite interesting to me how similar opinions are on A7X and PWD despite these two bands and their paths still being very different from each other. Both bands have been pretty much set on achieving the same goal of becoming massive headliners. And the Rock & Metal industry desperately needs bands like them to step up and fill the void that older bands are leaving behind sooner or later. People can bash the new stuff from Avenged and Parkway all they want but they are never going back to either WTF nor Horizons and that is good. It would just feel fake at this point. In the end the artists have to make music they themselves are more than happy with because otherwise they are just going to burn thremselves out and end up quitting. Same with Architects. People would be like "oh that's good they sucked now anyway" without realizing that the dreams and jobs of so many people involved inside and outside the band would be crushed. Who in their right mind wants someone else to be this miserable just because they don't like the music anymore? Ridiculous. Not to mention that Darker Still has quite some really amazing music on it. The title track is possibly the best piece of music they have ever written. Can throw Chronos off Reverence into the conversation too. Honestly though, it's funny to laugh at people bashing them while these bands play massive festivals. PWD even being a Wacken headliner. That is worth A LOT more than the opinion of some average metalcore fans stuck in 2009 unwilling to accept change.

Atreyu would have been my answer tbh. I loved The Curse. Listened to it all the time. I went to Taste of Chaos to see them. They sucked live and the singer was pissed that we were all tired from moshing to As I Lay Dying right before them. Atreyu left the stage early and didn't even finish their set. It also didn't help that they were primarily playing new songs off the 3rd album before it was released so no one knew the songs. Luckily the later bands all killed it (Story of the Year, Thrice and Deftones). This was the show that made Deftones my favorite band. Core life memory.

Bullet for my valentine for me. A few songs after the fever album are in my normal listens, but instead of every song on an album I only enjoy maybe a song from all of their newer stuff.

It‘s not Metalcore but Three Days Grace is by far the best example for a once awesome band that turned into pure cringe

I feel like the stage was a better album for musicians than it was for just metal fans

about tattoo absolutely agree, I wanted the architects tattoo, but when it become Animals not LF//LT or even Holy Hell - it was disappointment and I decided not to do it

Super valid analogies regarding the tattoos, nik. Genuinely mean that.

You know who will NEVER be on this list? Killswitch Engage and Trivium. They've both just consistently put out banger albums.

I do not believe people should throw a fit when their favorite band changes their style. Music evolves. Bands evole. At the same time though, bands should not expect their fans to follow them no matter what. If you change your product and people don't like it anymore, then you have to accept that as well. It's a two way street.

Going back to the Hail to the King album by A7X, I hated it it originally. I wasn't even trying to cope and say it's good when it's not. But going back to it, there are more tracks I love than I do hate. It's funny, even M Shadows admitted he was tired of the title track when they were about to play it live a few years ago

That last all that remains album is really good!

This all depends on if "Post Hardcore" is the old name for metalcore. That vastly expands the list.

Tbf I love all of asking Alexandrias albums lol. Primarily their self titled one. One day I hope the scene will realise how good that album is.

All the OG Metalcore holds up for me personally, I made a Playlist of Metalcore from 1997-2007 that I listen to daily.

5:47 “Telle’s vocals went like this 🦞”

Underoath. They used to be my fav band of all time growing up. I remember being in middle school, seeing writing on the walls when mtv would actually play music videos. I was still in high school when they broke up back then. I really like all the albums until they broke up. They came back and the new stuff is just not it for me.

PWD. you could tell where things were headed with Ire, even though bottom feeder is still a guilty pleasure of mine. But it was probably the last release they had which I could listen to and still feel like it was PWD.. and at the same time it started to get a bit more pickup truck metal sounding. They have pretty much shifted to the radio friendly metal at this point, and well... good for them I guess.

Thanks for trying to keep metalcore alive mate

Phrost & Caleb, I have a question for you! Is there anyway you could help me find Niks reaction to TO THE GRAVE - Miserable Summer? Would be awesome, if possible!

"From Death To Destiny is the best blend of Metalcore & Hard Rock that any band has ever tried." Umm.. Doesn't BMTH - Sempiternal kinda fit in that category?

Man, All That Remains. The solo on Everything Is Wrong almost FEELS like Oli somehow knew it was one of the last that he would record. There's just this longing there, that hurt SO bad (in a great way) to listen to when he passed. Just full of life, and Nik's right, it's some of their heaviest work. Can't wait to hear some new material from them.

What happened to Crown the Empire's guitarist, why was he cancelled? I haven't listened to them in years so to hear this is surprising.

2:38 exactly why I’m happy I didn’t get a Chelsea grin hand tattoo in highschool

I actually liked a lot of the new AA stuff that’s being put out, Danny kills the vocals every single time. Didn’t like self titled a ton, but it has some good tracks but I love LAHOF

I'm glad other people are looking at what from death to destiny tried to do. it was a really solid album

lmao finishing off with a "come to Brazil" comment literally gold!!! 😂

i’ve never understood why people think telling other people to not like certain music is okay. nik’s opinions in this video are very good, these big bands aren’t gonna give a shit if a few people decide to not like their new shit. don’t tell people what they can or can’t like. good video nik!

I don’t like AA’s House On Fire but imo their newest album is awesome. Not the best album in bands history but it’s still really good, just different

Take a shot everytime nick has to bleep himself

8:06 which song is it and why is it reminding me of some TDWP riff? Sounds so familiar but cant tell, absolutely hate that feeling

All this depends on when you got into the music and when you found the artist, I found bmth, Asking Alexandria, the word Alive, and plenty more after they changed their sound and I like them all, it’s all when you found them and did you expect them to make the same style song forever.

A girl in the front row at Blue Ridge had crab claw lmao one of the bands saw her

i'm a huge asking alexandria fan but honestly i was very disappointed they changed but i still love them and understand you can't stay the same forever and i still like the newer stuff but the old stuff is a 100% gold period

Dude yes....the Curse. So wildly nostalgic for me. For me it doesn't hit quite as hard as it used to...but still solid.

When you just walked in in the costume I died laughing😂😂😂😂😂

The Arena Rock sound is what made me lose hardcore interest in the Metal scene. You either die having 3 albums, or you live long enough to hear yourself play butt-rock.

Bullet For My Valentine I love their first 3 albums. Then it just gradually went downhill from there for me except Venom which I think was a really solid album. I know their latest album is heavier again, but to me it just sounds like a they’re trying too hard to be heavy like they used to.

I would have said In Flames like a year ago, but their last 3 singles were really great

Victim of the New Disease didn’t get the credit it deserves cause it leans to the right side of things and Phil isn’t afraid to speak his mind