안녕하세요 😆 에일리언 스테이지 Round 3 이반의 목소리 병훈입니다! 에일리언 스테이지 프로젝트에 참여하게 되어 영광입니다. 멋진 작품 속 이반을 만나게 해주신 비비노스님 'Black Sorrow' 만들어주신 최용수님 그리고 좋은 기회를 주신 스튜디오 리코 비롯한 모든 관계자분께 진심으로 감사합니다. 💗 저도 팬으로서 남은 에일리언 스테이지를 응원하겠습니다. 언제나 나에겐 너 Black Sorrow...☆
2:46 In that moment, when Ivan saw Til running back to their alien captors, all because he couldn’t leave Mizi behind, all because he chose Mizi over him and _freedom_ itself, his face looks like he’s thinking, “Yeah. You would do that.” Because that kind of tenacity and stubborn devotion despite all the odds stacked against Til is why he fell in love with the boy. It just hurts because it will never be for him.
But also Mizi loved the girl from her video so she’d never love Til either which also hurts. I just want all of them to be happy but unfortunately that won’t be the case T3T
Ivan's backstory as I understand it is: - he was owned by an abusive merchant (the alien who held him over the edge of the roof) - you can see them auction him off when there's that blue square behind him (you can see the other kids next in line, as well as an alien holding a mic), -he gets bought and pampered by a rich alien (we see rich alien at 2:12; the hand matches the hand that was on our boy at 1:12, he just doesn't look as big because he's next to other big aliens) - he gets shown off to the rich alien's other rich friends (he's holding what looks like an award or maybe that's the invitation to join the singing camp/boarding school) - he was put by rich alien in Anakt Garden, a singing boarding school (which seems to be a required prerequisite to joining the ALIEN STAGE contest. Can't join the contest otherwise) -Till and Mizi accidentally run towards an exit(?)/forbidden area when they were chasing a flower crown that got blown by the wind--a guard dog alien beats Till up. - he's amazed as Till FIGHTS BACK against the alien (compared to himself whose always been passive), and probably continued to be amazed by Till's continued rebellion beyond this point. - inspired by Till, he later tries to escape and run away with him during a meteor shower as his first act of rebellion, but Till presumably doesn't wanna leave Mizi behind and goes back. - our boy laughs bittersweetly and heads back as well since his inspiration + love + reason for trying to escape in the first place just went back.
Also I would like to point out something at 2:28 when till woke up he saw the screen of Ivan winning and then a flashback the lyrics went like this: “Such black, black sorrow And you, you are always for me Black sorrow To me you are Black sorrow To me you are Black sorrow” => the entire time during these lines Ivan was pointing at most likely Till. He also let his emotions slip when it comes to directly confronting Till at 2:47 and then tried to composed himself
aw man... just realized that one of the ways the alien oppressors kept control over their human pet contestants was to have them form genuine bonds and friendships in childhood so that they would be reluctant to escape without them... because it's easier to escape on your own VS the much more impossible task of saving your friends. Such an effective but insidious method of control..
Ivan's face when he watches Till running back to their captors is so heartbreaking. Like he expected this from Till, and worse yet, he knows he himself will run after him. Adoration and frustration culminating in a sad, resigned longing.
I love how this video actually confirms a previous theory! During this song, Ivan allows another person to sing, meaning the whole time the songs are meant to be sung by sections by each person. This means the white hair dude (2nd video) took up all the song time. Whilst the 2 girls sung their song together as a duet to try and trick the system into getting the same score (and failed), which makes me wanna cry more :((
@@Jac_mx03 he can survive a bullet QwQ I believe he's still alive. Cause ain't no way the favorite one will let him die when they can still make a lot of money from him 😭😭
@@Jac_mx03 I'm hoping he's still alive because he is a favorite of the aliens, I'm sure they paid to make sure he lives. Someone mentioned Ivan was the favorite because if you notice when they were kids, only Ivan had no collar. Even growing up, Till had it except him. (at the bar). The aliens that adopted him might just discipline him 🥲🥲 *me on copium*
I like how Till's song ends with drums whereas Ivan's starts with them, as if one was meant to be a continuation of the other, like Till's rebellion could only naturally result in Ivan's yearning. I think the power of this song comes from the bitter-sweet irony of their dynamic. At first, we see that Ivan, despite his situation, still longed for freedom, even if it meant the end of everything, symbolised by the shooting stars that may shine brightly and beautifully while they run through the dark sky, but are still fated to crash in the most destructive way. Yet, his will seemed to disappear slowly as time went by, he became numb, years of use and abuse turned him into a singing puppet traded and paraded by his masters. Until he crossed path with Till, who unapologetically kept his free spirit and fighting will despite the punishments and the risks for his very life (though we can easily guess that his only saving grace is his value as a singer). Ivan could only fall for him, the embodiment of his repressed desires, to the point of trying to save him and run away together. And we can see that both of them seem truly happy, maybe for the first time since a long time, while a rain of meteors crashes around them, the culmination of this freedom they were after, knowing that could cost them their life if they are found out before managing to leave. But then a realisation hits Till, most likely the fact that he can't stand leaving Mizi behind even if it means giving up his only chance of realising his dream of freedom. And Ivan, understanding that the person he saw as his symbol of hope not only loved someone else enough to stay in a place he hated, but also turned out to be a willing prisoner because of the very feelings that gave him the will to fight, can only smile bitterly yet longingly: it didn't change how he felt for Till, and he too found himself unable to run away without him. The tenderness and resignation of his gaze at this moment is such a masterpiece of artistry that every time I watch it my stomach is tied in knots and I have a lump in my throat 😭 In the end the shooting star rain he dreamt about all his life only resulted in a black sorrow for him,and the fact that he knows he will have to compete against Till in the next round makes everything even more heartbreaking This one is definitely my favourite in the series so far. While "My Clematis" was the last love song of two lovers who wanted to share this final moment and "Unknown - 'til the end" was a declaration of both love and war no matter the consequences, Ivan's song is the pinnacle of everything that makes Alien Stage so fascinating, it's a tale of tragedy, of an unrequited love, an unattainable dream and a fate none of them can fight against. Yet they all give their best, to give a meaning to their performances, to take this chance to express the things they could never express before... I think I'm gonna cry lmao
bro... you made me cry even more 😭 how did I only now realise Ivan, just like Till, also came back to the place he hated to be with the one he can't leave behind? damn... also I wonder what heartbreaking story the character at the end is going to have 😀
I absolutely LOVE 2:47 where it looks like Ivan accidentally let his actual emotions slip into his singing, and he immediately tries to compose himself. The sorrow in his face turning to frustration, then finally to his usual cool apathetic expression. That's sooo gorgeous
Ngl this might just be the most beautiful piece of animation I've ever seen. Not even kyoani has made me feel a character's emotion from their expressions as well as this...vivinos and qmeng are truly masters at their craft
Coming back here after round 6 is just so devastating because with each line Black Sorrow seems more and more like Cure… literally each word perfectly captures Ivan’s unreciprocated love for Till… :( and the fact that Till actually wears BLACK in round 6 is like another punch in the gut… 😭
@@SaeahJeje this series is called alien stage where basically aliens keep humans as their "pets" and they have these competition where two humans sing against each other and the loser is killed Ofc there is a lore so you should watch it in order to understand more Idk if this will help but yeah
tbh i didnt expect myself to be this attached to ivan. When he was first introduced in the alien stage trailer i thought that he's the smooth and manipulative type of character. But looking at his round i somehow find him quite relatable. He might seems quite apathetic but he's actually just bottling up his feelings, his love and admiration for till, and his sorrow...
this exactly. this is also why i kinda hope he doesn't become smooth/manipulative during the stage with till the way some people are theorizing in the comments. i think it would be more heartbreaking and more accurate to what we can glean of him from this video to not want to battle till.
Yes, I also had the first impression that he was some sort of antagonist. But on the contrary, he seems to be the most talented and smart. His poker face is more of a survival skill than anything.
its fascinating how all of them are just kind of... unaware of each other. like, in round one, we're only shown the girls and their friendship and how much they mean to one another. in Till's song, all of the memories he's focusing on to sing are about Mizi and i don't think we even see Ivan. which is weird considering Ivan literally broke them both out of whatever prison they were in and tried to *free* them both from captivity. and in Ivan's song, he sees Till and Mizi, but in the beginning, he didn't take an interest in Till until he saw him rebel. Ivan was more or less just going through the motions, resigned to his imprisonment. he only took notice of Mizi at all because Till liked her it's just so interesting how it appears like they were all raised/imprisoned together but all of their stories hardly intertwine, only focusing on one other person at most despite the fact that there are so many other kids around them
If you take into account the fact that they most likely know from the begining that they will have to fight against each other in a competition where the losers will die, it's quite obvious they either weren't encouraged to form deep relationships or they ended up by themselves avoiding getting too close to people who could potentially become their opponent. That makes the only person they can't help gravitating towards (reciprocally or not) even more so special, I guess
Interesting take, I would argue tho, that each story is beautifully intertwined, instead of them all being separate stories, all characters are connected in some way.
@@miyajayefigueroa2125 yes true!! i just meant it in the way that you can still have a friendship/be friends with the one you love and the relationship will be beautiful either way
Notice how Ivan sees Till like the 'stars,' he adores him so much yet his feelings are basically a shadow, "you can't reach a star so you can only observe from afar" 1:58 lol im feeling poetic today
And then the line from Clematis: “The Galactic Star dust in your eyes spreads out.” Which we see in Ivan’s eyes but yeah, the association of stars with Till…reflected in his eyes. Brings to mind a line from one of Pink Bitch Club that’s something like “see the love reflected there” 😢 The falling stars we get in this one and then the rain in round 6…kill me.
The amount of passion Vivnos manages to put in the eyes of her characters is something I can never get over, you can see their madness, their sorrow, their longing and it makes me absolutely feral since each character is so different
Clematis: Two lovers professing their love (and in the last verse) mourning that they can’t be together forever Unknown ‘Till the end: A profession of love and a will to fight no matter what. To have his voice heard. (Ironically unnoticed by the only person it was meant for) Black Sorrow: Resigned pain knowing what could’ve been vs what is reality. The understanding that he wants the unattainable. (Till’s affection & freedom) I love how all the songs tie closely to love and wants but are all different perspectives and emotions. Amazing.
i like how ivan seeing till run back after they escape directly parallels their first meeting, where ivan follows till from curiosity and inevitably later on as he follows from his newfound love and attachment towards him. like he's forever destined to follow till, now more than ever as he immediately turns around after noticing till's ran back the constant flickering from ivan witnessing till fight back and thinking back to the meteor shower, is honestly so nicely done. ivan's constant focus on the meteor shower symbolizes his yearning for freedom, and alike the desire for the meteors is his infatuation with till. unfortunately, even if he did escape, ivan would've had no means of surviving in that world as a kid against aliens, ultimately his yearning fot freedom is simply an unlikely dream just like how his desire for till is too - seeing till run back presumably because he couldn't leave mizi (pink hair girl) made him realize that. he yearns for till like he yearns for meteors/freedom, these are two things he knows he cannot have.
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but at 2:28, Till only just wakes up from being retrained after round 2. He missed the majority of the song and Ivan's feelings, and I think Ivan might have known that it would be this way. He was watching Till at the end of round 2 as he passed out. Till probably still doesn't understand... ouch
The scene at 2:34 makes it seem like Ivan was able to save Till and they were able to escape but Till decided to run back causing Ivan to follow… its so sad you can tell ever since Ivan met Till he’d do anything for him but Till isn’t as enamored as he is since his heart lies elsewhere. Ivans facial expressions are also very sad you can tell how much emotion he has bottled up when it comes to Till. Everything is so bittersweet 😭 People might be like what if Ivan dies for Till but what if its the other way around, Ivan has become so obsessed with not being able to control him and have him so he ends up taking Tills life into his own hands since he feels he can gain a sense of control and longing over Till… their characters are so chiefs kiss…. They should also kiss
@@icac0103 I agree but part of me feels like till vs mizi is very predictable … i like the thought of ivan vs mizi since they both have lost the person they love the most i think they will hold the other more as the source of their sadness and even tho it was not the other person fault still place this blame since they have no other outlit but to kill the other… idk in the end what happens im sure will be super interesting
Ivan, thus far, is not only the guy who got the highest points, overhelming the rival, but also didnt play any trick like trying to sing a due nor ... smashing the rival head haha.
I don't think Till has smashed his opponent head He has just smashed(and killed) his Alien guitar named Freddy. The only trick was that he didn't let his opponent sing. For me, He probably killed Freddy to end the round and that would explain why his music is shorter than the others round. (Sorry for my poor English)
What I find interesting with this video is that we see more about the format of the Alien Stage competition. At 1:35, Ivan has to wait until his opponent is done singing for himself to start, so the competition is probably set so that each person gets their own spotlight singing before the voting is done. This is intresting because if this is the case, then both Mizi and Til technically broke the rules of the Alien Stage competition. Mizi singing at the same time as Sua (not taking separate turns), and Til not giving his opponent a chance to sing at all.
it confirms everyone's speculation from the last two videos! Mizi and Sua wanted to win together and break the system somehow, so they sang in duo. which is why Mizi was so shocked when Sua died; she wasnt expecting to be the sole winner. and Till didn't let his opponent sing, not just because Til sang the whole thing, but because he wasnt singing the song that they were supposed to sing, so his opponent didnt know how to join in
I was wondering why Til's song was only 2 minutes long. That was cause he literally only sang half his song before killing his opponent. That also explained why his opponent was surprised when he walked forward first, cause he was supposed to sing second but he's not allowing any chances from the beginning. What a nice attention to detail
@@dandanthedandan7558 i think it was confirmed that rather than killing his opponent himself (altho since he won the other dude probably got killed regardless) the guitar was another ailen hence the guts and blood - imo tils goal was probably just to get the other dude to shut up so he wouldnt have the chance to start singing
@@dandanthedandan7558 not sure on that part bc people haven't mentioned what happened with him in the aftermath n I don't have access to the extra material-
just realized this is literally the only “normal” round so far out of the four… round one mizi and sua sang the entire song together, in round two till stole all the lines (and smashes his guitar), and mizi goes missing in round five
@@canelitaa5337 hace poco me di cuenta que VIVINOS era mujer y que es lesbiana por una foto en su canal. Creo que es por eso que todas sus series son Yuri.
미친 거 아니냐 진짜,,,,반항하는 틸을 순응하며 살던 삶 속에 제일 빛났던 유성우와 겹쳐보며 사랑에 빠지고 우연히 찾았던 탈출구를 통해 틸과 함께 빠져나가려했지만 틸은 자신의 사랑이었던 미지 때문에 함께 하지 못했고 그 뒷모습을 바라보며 씁쓸히 웃으면서도 틸을 사랑하여 그를 버리고 갈 수 없어 남아 저 스테이지에서 노래를 부른다는게 진짜,,,,,저 작은 세계의 아이들의 사랑을 보여주는 것 같아서 마음이,,,,찢어지고,,,걍 행복해졌음 좋겠ㄷㅏ,,,,,,내가 외계인들 그까이꺼 다 없애줄게 아가들아ㅜㅠ
2:37 Till looks apologetic, but when Ivan turns around, Till has already left. Ivan didn't see Till's face. It just seems to Ivan that he has left. How painful and sad……!!!!!!!
I think the shooting stars show up as imagery to symbolize ivan realizing how beautiful and special life is/when he feels alive (when he nearly dies (0:34), when he sees Till for the first time fighting (1:53 - 2:03 ) vs when he's showed in adoration and rewards but feels nothing (1:11 - 1:15)) but when Till pulls away from him, we see shooting stars for what they really are. Burning hunks of rock that rain destruction down upon where they hit. And maybe that shift in visuals is meant to represent Ivan realizing the brutality of the life he's stuck in and feeling sorrow (when Till rejects him) compared to the apathy he usually feels for everything. And maybe the shooting stars represent him as a whole. From a distance, they are cool, otherworldly and beautiful, but in truth they are fire-ensconced destruction just like how Ivan looks so serene and alien from the outside but he's really burning up inside and for Till EDIT: okay subtitles are on now so I have additions. I guess from the lyrics, Ivan sees himself as the inky darkness and Till as the shining light and that Till's brightness and liveliness further highlights how empty Ivan is, especially since Ivan cannot reach out to him (0:50-1:00). Ivan is aware that he and Till can never have a happy ending, that there is NO happy ending for this story. So alternative interpretation: the meteor showers represent Till to Ivan. Till is the shiny light in in the darkness of Ivan's existence. The more Ivan sees Till, the greater the emptiness of Ivan's life deepens in contrast. Furthermore--going with the Till is the meteor shower theory--that's why there can be no happy ending, why there is only "a cold spot stained in blood", because while meteors are beautiful while they burn, they eventually burn out. Till cannot burn forever; he is fated to burn out into a cold husk. His life, his fight, is beautiful and shocking but ephemeral at best. The traits that Ivan loves Till for are the very same traits that will ensure their story's tragic ending. For at that Till makes Ivan feel alive, Ivan seems certain that he will be the only one alive at the end. also just the fact that Ivan only seems to feel emotion when he faces death is something notable (0:50 over the edge, 1:53-2:01 witnessing the monster dog, 2:08 on the stage singing to live)
I adore how he is calm and collected; knowing his value, and patiently awaiting his competitor to finish. It's a perfect juxtaposition to his crush who just decides to kill the competition.
I agree, although I'm pretty sure that Till didn't kill his opponent- his guitar was apparently some form of alien life itself so the imagery was literal and not metaphorical there haha
I sort of believe that in round 6, at first, Ivan wanted Till to die with him, just like he wanted Till to escape with him. But he didn’t hurt Till for obvious reasons and Till went back, just like when they ran away. Ivan doesn’t visually follow Till back in Black Sorrow. Just like how he’s dead and won’t be returning in Round 6- he wanted to take Till with him but Till didn’t go and left him? I’m thinking way too much about this now 😭
@@Zahaveron many people seem to think that ivan wanted to bring till down with him in round 6, to the point where even the wiki adresses this. it would answer why ivan kept choking till even after seeing his low score, and knowing he’s a little obsessive, i wouldn’t exactly doubt that he had that thought at some point.
@@slytherinlady3907he is indeed obsessive, but if you would look on Till's neck there was no scar or something that shows he meant to kill him... some comments said that he did that to save Till, which seems true cause he even peck his lips before he choke in blood and while he himself choking his neck, his eyes also soften after he knew he will die and he is the one who's eliminated instead of Till
So far, we can tell that Ivan loves the stars, and I think that was made clear in the teaser I suppose. Ivan most prolly likes Till bc of Till's rebellious nature and his curious mind, and I think that's bc Ivan never really had that chance....he never had that chance to rebel due to the way he was treated by the aliens. In Ivan's video, we do learn more about the nature of the aliens and other "members." I think in the part where Ivan and Till run away, Till's infatuation with Mizi stopped him from running away, (I also believe that the meteor shower was supposed to be a distraction).
제 뇌피셜로 한번 영상을 해석해보았습니다... 1:11 이반도 처음에는 반항이 심했습니다 틸처럼 목걸이를 찬채로 생활했어요 0:57 하지만 외계인에게 협박을 당한 이후로 얌전히 지내게 되었죠 (1:07 그림자 안쪽으로 들어옴=떨어지지는 않음) 아마 뒤에 다른 아이들이 많은 걸로 봐서는 재능있는 아이들을 이용해서 돈을 버는 외계인 같습니다 (눈동자에 별똥별이 비춰지는 연출1) 1:12 살기 위해 이반은 반항하지 않고 노래도 열심히 연습해 많은 외계인들에게 후원을 받게 되었습니다 1:14 다른 아이들보다 일찍 현실을 자각한 이반은 순수함을 잃었고 다른 아이들과 잘 어울리지도 못했습니다 1:22 틸과의 첫 만남인 것 같네요 틸은 날라간 화관을 줍기 위해 우연히 홀로그램으로 가려진 공간에 가게 되었고 이반은 틸을 막기 위해 따라나섰습니다 (미지가 같이 온걸로 보아 화관은 아마도 미지의 것, 수아가 준 화관이니 안따라올 수가 없음) 1:38 틸과 미지는 화관을 주우러 가다 괴물을 맞닥뜨립니다 목걸이를 찬걸로 보아 괴물도 외계인이 기르는 것 같네요 1:57 틸은 미지를 위해 괴물과 맞서 싸웁니다 이반의 반응으로 봐서 이 사건을 계기로 이반이 틸을 동경하게 된 것 같아요 (눈에 별똥별이 비춰지는 연출2) 2:19 틸이 벌인 일로 인해 학대는 더 심해졌고 이후로 틸은 감금되어 밖에 나가지 못하게 되었습니다 외계인들에게 예쁨 받는 이반은 비교적 이동이 자유로워 틸을 꺼내주어 같이 탈출 시도를 합니다 2:24 틸의 눈동자가 이반처럼 변했네요 2:30 기절했다가 깬 틸이 클로즈업 되며 현재 시점에서는 원래 눈동자로 돌아왔음을 보여줍니다 (= 결국 탈출하지 않았다) 2:34 틸은 이반의 손을 놓고 잠깐 고민하는 듯 하더니 탈출을 포기합니다 제 생각으로는 미지가 생각났던 모양이네요 이반과 틸의 관계성에 있어서 주목해야할 점은 둘이 각각 바라보는 방향입니다 틸은 항상 왼쪽만 바라보고 이반은 오른쪽에 서있지만 틸이 있는 왼쪽을 바라보죠 이 점을 중심으로 다시 해석해보면 1:16 화관 = 미지(화관이 미지의 것이라는 걸 전제), 화관이 날아가는 방향 = 틸이 향하는 방향 = 왼쪽 = 틸의 미지 사랑 상징 / 이반은 오른쪽을 바라보다가 처음으로 왼쪽을 바라보게 됨=이반이 틸에게 관심이 생김 2:24 틸이 이반과 함께 오른쪽을 향함 = 틸이 이반에게 마음을 염 (와중에 이반의 시선은 틸을 향해 있음, 처음이자 마지막으로 이반과 틸이 서로를 마주보는 장면) 2:36 이반의 시선이 완전히 오른쪽으로 가있던 사이 틸이 걸음을 멈춤 2:41 틸은 결국 왼쪽으로 감 = 이반보다는 미지를 선택 = 자유보다 미지 = 틸의 순애를 보여줌 2:44 이반은 왼쪽으로 완전히 몸을 돌림, 동시에 현재의 이반은 왼쪽을 향해 손을 뻗지만 틸에게 닿지 못함 = 슬픈 짝사랑ㅠㅠ 3:41 후에 틸과 이반이 대결하게 됨을 미리 보여줌 와중에도 틸은 왼쪽 이반은 오른쪽 추가로 별똥별 해석 아마 왼쪽이 꿈, 사랑, 순수 등을 의미하는 것 같고 오른쪽이 잔인한 현실을 의미하는 듯...? 0:39 별똥별: 오른쪽에서 왼쪽으로 - 처음엔 이반도 왼쪽에 있었다 0:44 별똥별: 왼쪽에서 오른쪽으로 - 죽을 뻔한 위기에서 별똥별을 바라보며 자신의 현실(반항해서 좋을게 없다, 외계인에게 순종해야 살아남는다)을 자각 , 이 일을 계기로 이반은 오른쪽에 속하게 됨 0:54, 1:06 별똥별: 오른쪽에서 왼쪽으로 - 왼쪽에 속했던 과거의 자신 회상하며 슬퍼함 (자세히 보면 울고 있음) 1:15 아이들이 왼쪽으로 향함 - 왼쪽이 순수를 의미한다는 걸 보여주는 장면 1:57 별똥별: 오른쪽에서 왼쪽으로 - 왼쪽에 속한 틸 의미, 그러한 틸을 보며 부러워하는 이반 2:07 ~ 2:16 무대배경의 별똥별: 왼쪽에서 오른쪽으로 - 오른쪽에 속한 이반 의미 2:21 별똥별: 오른쪽에서 왼쪽으로 - 별똥별은 왼쪽을 향해 있지만 틸과 이반은 오른쪽을 향해 나아가는 모순 하지만 틸이 곧 왼쪽으로 가며 이반도 왼쪽을 바라보게 되고 모순은 바로잡아진다 = 이반과 틸은 함께 오른쪽으로 갈 수 없다 2:54 겉으로는 별똥별이 오른쪽에서 왼쪽을 향하는 것 같겠지만 이반의 뒷모습이기에 정면 관점에서는 별똥별이 왼쪽에서 오른쪽으로 향하는 것처럼 보임 - 틸처럼 왼쪽에 속하고 싶지만 현실은 오른쪽에 속할 수 밖에 없는 이반 이번 대진표로 인해서 틸과 이반이 붙게 된다는게 반확정이 되어버렸군요ㅠㅠㅠ 둘 다 살아서 행복했으면 좋겠지만 상황을 봐서 이반이 틸을 위해 일부러 져줄 것 같은 건 기분탓이겠지요... 틸은 자신이 결승에서 미지랑 붙어서 자신이 져주고 미지를 살려야겠다는 생각으로 저번영상처럼 필사적으로 우승하려 하는 것 같아요
2:54 에서 보이는 별똥별이 이반을 뜻하는 게 아니라 쭉 이어지는 걸 보면 틸을 뜻하는 것일 수도 있을 거 같아요! 이반이 손을 뻗고 있는 방향으로 보이는 별똥별이기 때문에 탈출하지 않은 순애의 틸을 의미하는 게 아닐까 생각을 보태봅니당 마침 가사도 나에겐 너 black sorrow이더라구요
I love you noticed that. Exactly, it's a "Black Sorrow" so deep you can't escape, because unrequited love drags you down.😢 Ivan definitely knew how it would end for him. He looks confident he will win this and move on to face Till. This song is his confession, and Cure is his goodbye.😭 I just hope Till realizes someday that this song was for him.
@@maryrivadeneira4975 It's a joke haha, sometimes when someone really like something, for example, a song, they say ''this is the only song to ever exist'' !
This is so unexpected from what I thought his story would gonna be unhinged or obssesive concept due to his character in Vivinos twitter's art, I mean he look like those calm psychopath...but damn his story is more ralateable and touchable. He's just a guy who want to survive with his loved one but got rejected immediately. He is surprisingly emotional... Now I feel bad for all of them😭 good job Vivi😔
I just realized here 1:04 u can see Ivan crying his expression almost as if he's given up on struggling but is also scared of dying at the same time. Yet, he seems to be encouraged/inspired/empowered by the shooting stars; almost as if thinking "Wow, there's still something so beautiful left in this cruel world". Then, later when he watches Till, u can see him referencing the stars (something so dazzling bring color into his life yet unattainable at the same time just like a shooting star). Ai, my hearts aching so bad..... Especially after Round 6.... (T.T)
The amount of emotions held in their eyes is hesrtbreaking. Beautiful animation. This hits entirely different when I'm watching this after seeing Round 6.
얘네 둘이 다음 스테이지에서 붙어야 한다는게 너무... 내 마음을 갈기갈기 쫙쫙 조각조각 북북 찢어놓는다.... 내가 대신 서고싶다.... 나 ㄹㅇ 노래 개못하는데 그 누가 오든 져줄 자신 있는데.... 제발... 이채널에 꿈과 희망 가득한 엔딩은 대체 언제 나오는건가요.....
ㅋㅋㅋ 누가보면 사회 동등한줄 져주긴무슨 맨날 처음부터 무지한 호구 아니여도 쫄아서 호구 되가 누구입맛대로 고분고분 이래도 당하고 저래도 죽임당하고 맨날 밟히는게 뭐 좋은말로 양보지 그뿐만이면 다행이게 서열에 안들고 평생 딱까리만 오지게 함 동성정상 이성 비정상 비혼레즈가 대세 맞다 게이즈도 이건 딴소리지만 나도 사회 법단어 누구입맛 차별에 경쟁사회에 코피노로 사회경쟁자떨구고싶고 여유있을때 애랑 노예거저얻고싶음 여성은 사내여 남자는 자집남 어데 자집따위가 노래로 돈을 벌려고 하나 시집이나 가서 필수로 난자받아 애나낳고 집안일뒷바라지나 해야지 리스크있는 능력을 공짜로 노오력해서 애거저 못줄꺼면 자집끼리 자집답게 뽀뽀사랑 시집이나 가 경쟁사회에 서열에 들 생각은 안하고 ㅂㄱㄴ ㅂㄱ쥐똥+ ㄱㅇㅈ 성ㅂ걸리고 또 낳다 ㅂㄱ되고 죽고 무사히낳아도 건강망치고 평생가성비공짜 애거저주고 딱까리나 쳐하고 있는데 게이즈 ㄷㄱ서로 ㅈㄱㄴㅂㄱㄴ사랑 파멸에 헛소리 말고 자기 자신이나 사랑하삼 여자는 특히 힘! 그리고 능력!
이번 스테이지 에일리언 스테이지라는 이름에 걸맞게 진짜 우주같은 연출 너무 극락이에요ㅡㅜㅠㅠㅠ!!!! 곡 분위기도 신비롭고 우주같아서 인상깊었고 이반이랑 틸의 이야기가 왜 이렇게 많이 나오나 했더니 이런 갓서사가 있었군요...😢😢😢😢 틸이반은 떡상한다............. 다음 스테이지도 너무 기대됩니다......갓...팀규멩.... + 너에게 난 Black sorrow
헉.... 그러고보니 다음스테이지에 둘이 붙네요 이반은 틸이 미지를 좋아하는 것도 알고 틸이 미지에게 져줄 것도 알아볼 것 같은디.... 이반이 그걸 알면서도 틸과의 대결에서 마냥 이기게만 둘 것 같진 않은 생각이 드네요 차라리 본인이 이기고 대신 죽어줄 것만 같은 느낌 자신의 죽음이 틸에게 오래 각인되게 눈앞에서 죽어가면서 고백하지 않을지.... ((그냥 추측입니다))
Not long ago, a friend let me borrow his phone. I listened to this song like 21 times in a row. Funny thing was that he wore earbuds connected to the phone too, and I forgot about that, so he had to listen to my obsession until he was like “How many times are we going to listen to this?” Honestly though he must have loved it too to mention it so late-
I cannot express how much i love the way vivinos represent feelings, it hits really different from a simple "I'm sad", ivan appreciating life and the world he lives in, then realizing how harsh and brutal it is, and that the stars he grew to love were nothing but burning meteors, how everything clicked when till rejected him, till knew how fucked up their world is, so he fights against it, and that made ivan admire him considering ivan never fought against it, he even was ok with dying as we saw, he was like a puppet that played nice, and although not necessarily showing appreciation for being showered with attention, but also didn't protest against it, this is truly a masterpiece as usual vivinos!
와 .. 숨 쉴 구간을 안 주시네 처음 본 별똥별에 받은 감명을 틸을 보고 다시금 느끼는 게 소름 돋았는데 틸과 멀어지자 그것이 불덩어리가 되는게 이반의 주체성을 표현한 것 같아요 .. 그리고 틸에 대한 갈망이 표정에서 잘 표현돼서 입벌리고 있었는데 이렇게 바로 다음 스테이지 아이가 나오다니 ;; 저 미쳐버려요
미쳤다.. black sorrow가 직역하면 시커먼 슬픔인데 다른말로 흑심임..ㄷㄷ Ivan이 바라보는 시선끝에는 Till이 존재하고 Ivan이 Till에게 품은 마음이 흑심..ㅜㅠㅜㅠㅠ 가사 미쳤음ㅜㅠㅜㅠㅜㅜ 너는 닿지 않아서 나 홀로 상상해 너는 빛이 나고 그 옆엔 내가 있어 네 눈길, 손끝 그곳에서 긴 시간을 너만을 기다려 하,..,ㅡㅜㅠㅠㅠㅜ 집착 미쳤어… 그 와중에 영어가사 개에바임 A story of such woe = 그런 비통한 이야기 뭐 배드엔딩이란 소리를 이렇게 절절하게 하세요 ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ🥺😭 나에겐 너, 닿지않는 너뿐이다.. Ivan이 Till에게 느끼는 감정이 이렇게 질척하고 어두운게 마치 짝사랑을 넘어선 이뤄지지 못할 애절한 감정을 표현하는 것 같아서 심장 아프네요..🥹
I love how in this round we just attribute shooting stars with Ivan. Because shooting stars are made for wishing and all Ivan wishes is to be with Till which is why every single memory Ivan has as a kid is abt him. I find this adorable.
Black sorrow is a metaphor for love here. Before he met the Til he never really had any hope or desires. But after seeing Til have so much passion and fight against the system he started to see him as a human embodiment of the shooting stars shown at the start showing that Till had reinspired hope and desire in him. It was at that point he also started to feel "love" which wasn't positive for him since it was unrequited hence why it's referred to as Black sorrow. This whole performance is his way of trying to dismiss Til and say that to him he represents nothing but sadness even though Til is the only thing that has literally made his eyes twinkle lol. I feel like their singing battle will most likely be him forcing Til to notice him as despite pretending Til is just sadness to him, he's still obviously obsessed with him. Til will be trying to get pink haired girls attention so I really see both of them dying or neither of them winning as they both have unrequited love.
한 영상에 다양한 즐길 거리가 많이 담겨있네요 4강에서 틸과 이반이 붙는다는 것을 보면서 놀라고, 과거 이야기를 보면서 놀라고, 그걸 표현한 연출에 놀라고, 해석해보면서 놀라고, 노래가 좋아서 놀라고, 노래의 클라이막스와 애니메이션의 시너지에 놀라고, 결승에 누가 올라올지 예상해보면서 즐기고............. 진짜 꽉꽉 눌러담은 3분 57초입니다...
So from this, we can definitely say that the girls and Till rebelled. In the first video, the girls sang together to try and get the same score and live while Till stole the show. It seems like Ivan is more passive and he knows he's going to win, so he plays by the rules.
다음 스테이지는 이반vs틸 인데, 이반이 틸을 위해 일부러 질 것 같지는 않음. 이반은 틸이 자기 손을 놓았을 때 부터 서로의 운명을 예감했고, 자기가 져봤자 틸은 미지한테 질테니까 전력을 다해서 틸을 이기려 할 거임. 근데 틸은 이반에게 있어 유성우임, 우상이고 닿을 수 없는 존재. 그래서 전력을 다했는데 틸에게 질거 같음.. 틸은 공식적으로 예술쪽 천재여서 이반도 놀랄정도로 이겨버리고 죽으면서 역시나 자기 예상을 뛰어넘고 반짝거리는 틸을 보며 역시 대단하다고 죽을 것 같다ㅜㅠ 그리고 유성우늘 결국 불타서 사라지는 존재임. 지금 자신을 이긴 자신만의 유성우의 결말 조차 예상가기에 이반의 사랑은 슬픈 결말일수밖에 없음..
유성우는 결국 불타서 사라지는 존재이고 그런 유성우인 틸의 결말을 아는 이반이라니 저는 여기까지 생각하지 못했어요. 더욱이나 이반에게 있어서 틸의 존재를 자신만의 유성우 라고 표현한 것이 한편으로 틸을 향한 이반의 마음이라는 것을 뜻할 수도 있다고 생각하니깐 마음이 와장창 아프네요ㅠㅜㅠㅠ
Okay whoa, it's finally here! I'm sure other people dissected the video better than me. Still, I would like to mention the overwhelming emotions in Ivan from 2:45 -2:51 . That was SO gorgeous and really proved that Ivan has the control to switch back to apathy, regardless of the circumstance. This makes me a bit worried, though, because his eventual battle against Till could very likely end up with him dying for Till because of his strong emotions towards Till and his seemingly smooth "switch" from emotional to apathetic. Not to mention, he has even more incentive to die in regards to rebellion against the expectations of his supposed abusive "owner." And not to further mention, It's even more heartbreaking when you realize that Ivan has such a deep, unrequited love for Till, conveyed PERFECTLY by the bittersweet/bitter tone. The interpersonal relationships between the characters make me scared for the ending at this point, I just KNOW that I'm gonna cry lol. And hi to that little peek of Luka towards the end
😨 I never considered that Ivan could die as an act of rebellion!!! He could even die to keep his owner from reaping the benefits of winning the competition D: omg
I can't help but think that's exactly why it'll be Ivan that wins the round instead. The only thing worse than sacrificing yourself like that for someone you love, is for it to fail.
아 진짜.........이번 3라운드 정말 미쳤고......제작자 분들 모두 고생 많으셨어요ㅠㅜㅜ 진짜 보면서 울었어요..........이반 서사 미쳤고 마지막 루카 떡밥 미쳤고 특히 틸과의 관계성.........치여서 이세계 갈 뻔 했습니다.......사랑합니다 여러분.....애들아 사랑한다.............
everything from the design of ivan is really amazing like you can see how his despair turns to astonishment upon seeing the night sky in the outer galaxy which gradually turns to hope and while being with till as well, i just love this and hope some miracle happen in their showdown and no one dies even tho i know that's just wishful thinking
I don't know if anyone said anything about the singer or not but the way Park Byeong Hoon sang the song is just marvelous. He portraited the emotions of Ivan so beautifully in his voice. And the pause in 2:33 was done so perfectly. When he was singing " And you, you are always for me Black sorrow ". It was heart touching. Love the song absolutely and the singer did an admirable job at singing the song with so much emotion.
is it just me who's also super sad for the unnamed losing contestants? like the girl in this video who we don't hear or see die, but it's implied that Ivan is giving her time to sing as well. I think it's interesting how Mizi and Sua sing together as equals, Till doesn't let his opponent sing at all so he can win their round, and Ivan gives his opponent her chance to sing but knows he will win anyway and be left to face Till in the next round (I think he's had some idea that Round 6 was gonna go the way it did from the very start - there's a comic in the community posts where Ivan calls Sua a hypocrite for planning to martyr herself for Mizi knowing how much it will haunt her. The irony is that he's planning the exact same thing, but he's planning for him to have meant very little for Till. I also think that's showing Ivan's envy of Sua, because if he had the object of his affections love him back, he would've escaped with him and made sure they both survived. So he feels bitter than Sua is wasting her opportunity to be loved back.) Anyways, I got pretty off track. I think not having her show up shows how unimportant she is to Ivan compared to having the chance to ensure Till gets through another stage of the competition. He probably doesn't want her dead or anything, but he can't afford to not be fully focused on his performance here. I think he's thinking of Till intentionally so he can remember what he's fighting for. I also think the ending, where Ivan is looking down with a blank expression, is him looking at the corpse of his opponent in this round. Unlike Mizi and Till he doesn't make a huge deal out of it, because this wasn't an attempt at survival or rebellion. He's currently playing the game exactly as it's meant to be played.
So Ivan tried to runaway with Til, but, Til couldn't go through with it because he didn't want to leave Mizi behind, so they both went back. Interesting... This gets more engaging every episode.
미지에게 수아가 신이었듯이 이반에게 틸은 사랑 그 이상의 신 같은 존재가 아닐까라는 생각이 드네요ㅠ 커뮤에 올라온 강연자가 참가를 거부하고 있다는 공지 때문에 이반과 틸의 대전이 어떻게 될지 아직은 잘 모르겠지만 만약에 둘이 붙게 된다면 이반은 틸과 함께 무대에 설 수 있다는 것만으로 행복해하며 틸이 우승하도록 일부러 져줄 것 같아서 눈물만 질질..
Manifesting myself an Ivan villain arc 🙏🛐 I'm hoping that "at the end of this story there is only a cold spot stained with blood and such black, black sorrow…to me you are black sorrow" means this song is a twisted eulogy to Till, who he has every intention of defeating. Like, that lightless empty glare at the end? I'm putting money down that that's him giving up on Till. Ivan would PEAK as a petty seductive villain. Distracting Till, stealing his and the audiences attention, and undermining Till's previous domination of the stage. Even if he loses, I will be so satisfied if it's an actual struggle, and he finally gains Till's acknowledgement.
Omg I would love that too, I could also be happy if Ivan is submissive in the stage at first accepting defeat for Till but Till starts struggling remembering his friend and gets weak, Ivan then starts to get frustrated and mad by this since it isn't like Till and ends up destroying Till almost in destructive way leaving him empty or something like that idk I just feel that Till vs Mizi is way too predictable 😓 Plus I feel something weird is bound to happen because there's also that tan girl who was shown as a character in here yet it hasn't appeared a single time, meaning that blonde girl/guy will probably be against someone else, which opens to the possibility of more things, imagine another case were both Till and Ivan die together? idk It's so fun to speculate
I dont think he will give up Till, maybe that was just a look because maybe he knows Till might never love him the same way Ivan loves him but i think Till will realize that ivan loves him
@@MarineSelena there was a post by vivinos saying "one of the competitors refuses to participate" which could be hyuna(?) or luca, but likely hyuna since luca looks like he's in a waiting room (we saw in the opening she was distracted by something in a hallway and might have run off/generally seems apathetic to the situation). i also wonder if till will come up with a plan to handicap ivan so if he goes up against mizi, he'll be at a disadvantage at the very least. it's very fun going back and forth from ivan and till's performances and comparing just how different they are- till is completely burning up with only one destination in mind, but ivan is like a dirge obsessed with the past. i wonder if they really could escape, or if they would have died another way albeit free for just a moment.
"At the end of this story, there is only a cold spot stained with blood and empty air." Mf knew and already told us how his fate was gonna unfold! I hate him so much. Round 6 destroyed me. He better be alive so I can continue to hate him some more.
