R50 Front Struts Explained! Lift Springs, Stock Springs, and Extended Travel.

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Today I explain what struts to use with your R50 Pathfinder or QX4. Stock equivalents like KYB and Rancho are popular and come with their own complications but at a generally cheap price. Or, for someone who wants a premium choice, the OME struts have more travel and very nice ride quality, mitigating top out and replacing some of the down travel that is lost with lift springs.
Many/some people are satisfied with their KYB's, Rancho's, or Gabriels even on the stiffest AC coils (myself included) or the less stiff OME coils, and this remains the most popular route for lifted pathfinders. However, the OME struts are the ultimate option, provided they don't cause your CV axles to bind. Whether building up your R50 Pathfinder or QX4 for overland or offroading, I'm confident that you can find a quality spring/strut setup that suits your needs.
With struts and springs, you want to carefully consider the needs of your own vehicle- I am only going over basic concepts here, and am not guaranteeing a specific outcome. See more notes and links below
**Note on the math: Extended travel of the strut is 0.75-1" depending on which stock strut you're comparing to. At a minimum, you gain 0.75" of down travel. The same goes for the collapsed length math. You might gain or lose some up travel compared to stock.
Here are the promised strut links:
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These are all 4WD part numbers for R50 Nissan Pathfinders, 2WD fitment not guaranteed. You are responsible for your purchases and vehicles, I'm just a guy on youtube. It is my assumption that these part numbers work for QX4's of the same year, as this is almost universally the case for other QX4 suspension and drivetrain pieces.
OME:
1996-2004
Left Side: www.summitracing.com/parts/em...
Right Side: www.summitracing.com/parts/em...
KYB (These are not the ONLY KYB struts, some model years have two offerings!):
1996-1999
Left Side: amzn.to/3mhitWQ
Right Side: amzn.to/3oS6QaP
2000-09/2000:
Left Side: amzn.to/34bJu7Z
Right Side: amzn.to/37Y4WhS
10/2000-2004
Left Side: amzn.to/37ZBJTQ
Right Side: amzn.to/3qPYpOW
Rancho:
1996-1997
Front Left: amzn.to/2IJQu4s
Front Right: amzn.to/3nizfpX
1998-2001:
Front Left: amzn.to/3a6dsxU
Front Right: amzn.to/3r3BBeO
2002-2004:
Not available on amazon
Left Side: Part number RS55816
Right Side: Part number RS55815
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DeWalt tool set (closest available kit, mine is discontinued): amzn.to/2LDiV5i
What’s on my Pathfinder:
Front Auto Locker: Lokka.com , see my gears and lockers playlist for more info (link directly above)
Front Lift Springs (AC Coils): www.4x4parts.com/i-18981165-p...
Rear Lift Springs (Land Rover NRC9449’s): www.lrdirect.com/NRC9449-supp...
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@208Tyler 3 года назад

In this video, I am going over the basic concepts of struts! The exact math of how the OME struts compare to your stock year specific strut will vary a little, so bear with me. It's up to you to determine what kind of performance you need from a strut/spring combo, and I do not guarantee a specific outcome. I'm just a dude on RU-vid :). Check out the description for more details, and thanks for watching! -Tyler

@midnightAlchemistOfficial 3 года назад

Thanks Tyler, great video! You keepin' my 2003 Chilkoot evolving every season! :)

@208Tyler 3 года назад

You’re welcome! Haha, awesome!

@salinsol7887 3 года назад

Hi, even with my bad English i’m still get the idea . Really useful Thank you ❤️

@208Tyler 3 года назад

Awesome!

@charles.vernier 3 года назад

Awesome info! I have the KYB with the AC springs. Didn’t know about the ext travel option. Good to know.

@208Tyler 3 года назад

Thanks for watching!

@felixtanguay9845 3 года назад

So useful thank you so much omg!

@208Tyler 3 года назад

Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching

@MikeZ32TT 3 года назад

Thanks

@dolandylan5697 Год назад

🙏🏼 thank you

@208Tyler Год назад

Glad it helped!

@gimmeat0wel 3 года назад

I have kyb struts and ome coils in the front and after installation my camber was bad did you guys have this issue as well?

@208Tyler 3 года назад

Yes! This can be remedied with camber bolts.

@jimmysunga 3 года назад

The OME struts I searched on the web all show images of a strut with the bottom mounting to a lower control arm instead of the knuckle. Are those just generic photos? Or am I missing something.

@208Tyler 3 года назад

Likely generic photos (and there’s more than one type of strut). If the part number is right it should fit

@MrAnticaArte 2 года назад

Thanks for the video, Tyler. Quick question, why the '98 KYB struts can not be installed on a '03 model, if the OME has the same part number across the line?

@208Tyler 2 года назад

They can be installed- they’ll physically fit, but they won’t sit at the same ride height. Different engine and front end weights should require different struts to handle best. OME has the same springs for sure across all the years, but I’m not sure if they use the same front struts across the line- they for sure have two different part numbers for rear shocks. Im guessing as an aftermarket/suspension lift company they weren’t as privy or careful with research and development. KYB has all of its options for a reason.

@MrAnticaArte 2 года назад

@@208Tyler Thanks for the reply Tyler. The OME has just one type of front struts, this is why I was asking if I can fit the KYB for a '98 model to a '03 model.

@user-yx6mq2km3m Год назад

Tyler wonder if you can help me. I am about to do emu coils front and rear with their front struts on my 02qx4. Will also add 1.5” spacers. I want a soft ride! Not a lot of extra weight will be with me when wheeling. Which EMU sprigs do you suggest? The medium duty or light?

@208Tyler Год назад

Their struts are now discontinued. I would not stack spacers on top of OME front springs. I’d do the OME 2928 in the front but maybe do a dobinson rear coil. The OME rear coils are a little light and it would save you money from ordering spacers. If you have to go OME in the read, go with the medium duty. If ride quality is the ultimate concern, go with the lighter spring options. I would avoid spacers in the front no matter what

@n_l_o 2 года назад

Hey Tyler, I see that the OME struts are discontinued. Do you know of any alternative options for extended travel struts? I'm running KYBs right now on my '97 QX4 with Ironman springs and just upgraded my tires to 285/70/17 (with a lot of trimming) but it seems that now when I go over speed bumps I'm getting some knocking. Wondering if if the struts are topping out.

@208Tyler 2 года назад

There’s some stuff from Australia that should work. There’s a guy called Bud Nixon on RU-vid who used tough dog struts, they’re extended length. He’s in some of the R50 Facebook groups and has a wright up there, his name is Nik Orlov. Here’s what he used, I think: part number BDS4024 from tough dog. Possible link: www.4x4modsaustralia.com.au/2x-front-twin-tube-mcpherson-struts-pathfinder-r50~182139

@208Tyler 2 года назад

If you d got the iron man springs, I would worry too much. Those aren’t the stiffest springs you can put on. My AC coils topped out a little but my struts held up fine

@XaoeyVwj Год назад

Hey Tyler, I know this is an old video but I am just a recent owner of a 2003 pathfinder and I was wondering if I paired kyb struts with old man emu springs would it top out. Also do you know anyone who have done this

@208Tyler Год назад

This is the most common way to lift the R50, old man emu and a KYB strut is a great combo! Shouldn’t top out unless you really hit a hard bump or pothole. I’ve had several friends use this combo

@Grey-Troll 3 года назад

I have a 96 pathfinder with the electronic adjustable struts operated by a switch in the cab that can be stiffer in 'sport' mode, or softer in 'comfort' mode. I love these struts, but they are coming up on 25 years old and probably need to be replaced, but aren't visibly leaking yet. They are KYB struts, and are no longer offered anywhere in the united states that I have found to date. If you ever come across a source for these PLEASE shoot me a message and let me know! These were only offered in the 96 models in the states, but in Japan they were offered all the way up until 2004. I may see if I can order some in Japan and have them shipped over, because Its a gimmick I really like and use often for super bumpy gravel roads with tons of wash-boarding.

@208Tyler 3 года назад

Wow. I noticed that disclaimer on the 96 strut offerings in my research, but ignored it as I’ve never really seen or heard of it. Only line I would have on a part like that is stumbling across it at a junkyard. Looking for 96 LE I take it?

@Grey-Troll 3 года назад

@@208Tyler The one I have is a SE and also comes with more adjustable seats, and has unique headrests for the front two seats. Not sure if this was a custom order vehicle or not. The switch is just to the right of the rear windshield wiper switch, so if you don't see that, it doesn't have the electronic suspension. You can also tell by the top of the strut towers as it has a shaft extending up past where the normal strut does with a 3 wire plug coming off of it. The rear shocks also have wires coming out of the side near the top mounting bolt. Ill have to look at my parts truck (98 LE which does not have these) to see if the wiring harness exists to add them, and I can let you know if you're interested in adding these if by chance you come across a source for them. Hopefully they aren't prohibitively expensive to get from Japan.

@208Tyler 3 года назад

Wow. This is extensive haha. Never seen wires coming out of suspension on any other vehicles

@albertsousaiv 3 года назад

I have this in my 96 too! It doesn’t work though 😟

@90sKid38BRL 2 года назад

Are the factory front struts a genuine Nissan part or a KYB part like the rear shocks?

@208Tyler 2 года назад

I am not sure. It would probably take a lot of work to figure that. If you continue to have more questions, I’d prefer to communicate by email, which is listed in my “about page”

@cammain920 Год назад

Hey man, have you had any issues with positive camber on your front wheels? I have a 2” lift, no spacers. I’ve tried camber bolts but they don’t quite fix it.

@208Tyler Год назад

Camber bolts are the only way to fix that issue, and they do work. I had 2” springs with 2 camber bolts per side, and had a normal alignment after using camber bolts.

@cammain920 Год назад

Legend!!! My only logical answer was 2 camber bolts per side 🤣. Cheers bro!!

@user-tg8nj8ue5x Год назад

hi i want to replace my 2004 r50 front struts is there is there a difference in strut out of a 2000 ,2001 r50 want to put in a 2004 kybs

@208Tyler Год назад

I think they’re the same from 2001-2004, but I would just use the correct one for your model year.

@AK-ky3ou 3 года назад

2nd gen frontier owner here. New to the off-roading/lift game. I was wondering why you roll with the stock struts? I have stock struts and a spacer lift up front and was considering bilstein 4600’s. I may just say screw it if you are running a stockie. I don’t off-road nearly as much as you. I don’t think I need em. So many guys are just replacing shocks just because they think they have to. Great vids Nissan bro.

@208Tyler 3 года назад

If you compare the two systems, you’ll notice that R50 Pathfinder struts are much different than your 2nd Gen frontier equipment. Mine are essentially car suspension, yours are a much more competent system and will likely require aftermarket solutions. 2nd Gen frontiers are nice though, I’d definitely consider moving into one after the pathfinder.

@AK-ky3ou 3 года назад

@@208Tyler what do you mean? Are you saying the stock kyb shocks on a frontier are worse for off-road than the kyb’s on the r50?

@208Tyler 3 года назад

No. I’m saying you have an entirely different suspension setup. Even though they go by the same name (strut, or more often coilover) they’re nothing alike. R50’s have car suspension, but you have much stronger suspension that is easier to modify. My understanding is that you have to swap the entire coilover assembly to lift the front end, but I’m not a D40 expert. I just wouldn’t use my video about an entirely different suspension system to make inferences about your frontier.

@AK-ky3ou 3 года назад

@@208Tyler you don’t have to swap the entire coil over on the frontier, you can buy lift springs and run stock struts. I get what you’re saying them being different plats. I’m saying most guys that off-road slow once a month think they need bilsteins. I don’t think bilsteins are needed for slow off-roading monthly.

@AK-ky3ou 3 года назад

@@208Tyler of course I’d go with bilsteins when my stock kybs are shot. May as well use the stockies till they’re leaking. Lol

@martina.m.m2195 2 года назад

Thanks a lot Tyler for all your info, I need a help to make sure what kind of struts and springs I have to buy for my 2002 infiniti qx4 2wd for the front, I was watching many of your videos about what kind should we get for the rear, and I already purchased the NRC 9449 springs and the bilstein 33-185552 shocks for the rear, since I don't know a lot of suspension i need you help me to get the best ones, because I'm not sure witch one should be the best decision to get the 2" lift at front. I will appreciate all you help and answer. thank you so much.👍

@208Tyler 2 года назад

Springs are a subjective choice, there’s not a “best” spring. They all have drawbacks. The highest lifting coils are the AC coils, but better riding options like OME and Dobinson are also good choices. More information here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9AOeEGP-4pU.html and here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-d0weBe8J58s.html As the video explains, you can use just about any OEM spec strut in the front. Rock auto is a great site for finding struts for your 02 QX4

@martina.m.m2195 2 года назад

@@208Tyler Thanks a lot for your answer, one more question tyler, if I get any of those springs you mentioned in the video, do I have to used a spacer to get the 2" lift at front.

@208Tyler 2 года назад

@@martina.m.m2195 Again, it depends on which springs you purchase. They all lift slightly different heights.

@martina.m.m2195 2 года назад

@@208Tyler Thanks a lot for answer all my questions, I have with me everything to get the 2" lift, my question is, do I also need to replace the camber bolts, if I will only lift it 2". thank you so much again.

@208Tyler 2 года назад

@@martina.m.m2195 you probably need camber bolts for proper alignment

@coffeedrinker9983 3 года назад

What made you decide on getting a R50 over a 4Runner

@208Tyler 3 года назад

Price and interior. The extra VQ power is mice, and so far the cost of ownership / maintenance has been the same ore less than the 4runner I had before this (2WD high mileage)

@xSxEcuuadorxLx 2 года назад

Great video, i have a 2003 pathfinder rwd, and have a similar set up as yours rear suspension: NRC9447 coils and 5100 bilstein, front suspension: KYB Excel-G shocks for rwd @/335036 from rockauto and Pathfinder Front Lift Coils from 4x4 parts # SPAC96PFFTCL. My only problem is the rear is taller than the front. Rear: Ground to fender 37" 3/8 Front: ground to fender 34" 15/16 There is a difference of more than 2 inches. it looks silly, i don't know what i did wrong any help would be much appreciated

@208Tyler 2 года назад

When I was on 9449’s and AC coils, I had the rake (front end lower than the rear end) measured at 1.25-1.5”, which visually looked OK but I often wished it was a little more level. More than 2” of a difference is remarkable, considering that 1) you have a RWD, your front end is lighter and should get more lift than me, and 2) your rear springs are softer, so you should be getting less lift than me. The rear spring install is hard to screw up, the only real point of failure besides the springs themselves is your struts. If the struts are properly installed, I’d return the springs. Especially if you have before and after measurements I would hope you can return and refund your purchase through 4x4parts

@xSxEcuuadorxLx 2 года назад

@@208Tyler when I had my stock tires you can see the 2” lift from the front suspension and there was only a 1” difference between rear and end but after I installed 265/70/17 bfg at tires you can see a big difference height between rear and front. A more than 2” difference.

@208Tyler 2 года назад

@@xSxEcuuadorxLx Swapping tires would not cause a problem. Tires are "unsprung" weight and will not change how the vehicle and suspension sit relative to each other.

@xSxEcuuadorxLx 2 года назад

@@208Tyleris it possible that i over tighten that one nut that holds the spring in the strut?

@kevina.lawsonsr.8665 3 года назад

Can you post the link where to get the OME struts?

@208Tyler 3 года назад

It’s in the description, first pair of links

@kevina.lawsonsr.8665 3 года назад

Never could find them. Please send me the OME links for the R-50 appreciate it. You have helped quite a bit in pointing me in the rite direction.

@208Tyler 3 года назад

They’re the first two links in the description

@208Tyler 3 года назад

www.summitracing.com/parts/emu-n145s

@208Tyler 3 года назад

www.summitracing.com/parts/emu-n146s

@olivi3339 3 года назад

It appears 2004 up to 09 Acura tsx, take the same rear springs as stock pathfinder... Weight rating is #173...... if you order moog, you get the same springs....

@208Tyler 3 года назад

Moog does not sell any rear springs (or front springs) for Acura TSX’s. www.moog-suspension-parts.com/products/acura_tsx_2009 Lol